Announcement of Aliens Coming Soon

[Midniteshowers]

The Vatican recently announced that "The belief that extraterrestrial life exists in the universe does not contradict faith in God". I believe that this is just more preparation for this event that many others are also claiming will take place. Up until recently, the Vatican was opposed to the idea that there was any other intelligent life out there and to believe that there was contradicted with the word of the bible. So, why the sudden change of thought? Why announce this now? ~To prepare us for something that they know is going to happen.

[Jane Doe]

I have worked with clients who thought they were abducted and abused, only to find out there was some other traumatic event (ie. father sexually abusing) that they were covering up.

That’s very interesting.

The stories of being at the mercy of "bad" aliens are typically exagerated, just like the real stories of UFO's are typically not taken seriously. All of which says more about human consciousness than anything else.

My problem with dismissing all stories of “bad aliens” as being exaggerations is that a lot of people have reported having unpleasant encounters. Actually, dismissing all “bad alien stories” as exaggerations is just like dismissing all alien stories, good and bad, as being made up. If a lot of people report an event, it is something to pay attention to.

Actually i have seen a UFO in the sky before i totally forgot about this but the thing is when i turn to look somewhere else only for a split second and looked back it was gone. Which may hint to it being a psychological projection It was Carl Jung that said its people projecting Mandala's into the sky.

I don’t think that something being a psychological projection means that it is any less real. I don't know if that was what you were getting at, but it’s real in a different sort of way that most people dismiss...

I'm wondering what sort of proof you offer for aliens (or intelligent design) having nothing to do with it.

What proof do you have that aliens DO muck about with our genes? I believe in a lot of crazy ****, but I don’t like to believe in things unless I have at least ONE reason. I’m not dismissing the possibility, but there are a lot of possibilities out there. For me to take a possibility seriously I have to have a reason, even one reason.

I'm agnostic about Darwinistic evolution now, although I used to believe in it when I was younger.

I hope when you speak of “Darwinistic evolution,” you don’t mean social darwanism. Social Darwanism was not even what Darwin had in mind—that was people misinterpreting his theory. Evolution has no goal. There is no species that is “more evolved” than another, although you might say a species is more complex than another. Evolution has a lot to do with chance and a lot to do with opportunities. What Darwin proposed was that, given vast amounts of time, small changes will accumulate in populations. Today, that’s really not a radical idea.

I have seen enough evidence to prove micro-evolution to me but I have not found any evidence to preclude factors other than context, environment and actions. I'm not trying to provoke anything, I just find objective evolution info hard to find.

I really don’t get what you mean by “objective evolution info.” Do you think that evolution theorists have some sort of agenda? You could try buying a textbook about human origins, if you really want to understand what evolution does and does not entail.

[Frankmat]

Originally Posted by Midniteshowers

The Vatican recently announced that "The belief that extraterrestrial life exists in the universe does not contradict faith in God". I believe that this is just more preparation for this event that many others are also claiming will take place. Up until recently, the Vatican was opposed to the idea that there was any other intelligent life out there and to believe that there was contradicted with the word of the bible. So, why the sudden change of thought? Why announce this now? ~To prepare us for something that they know is going to happen.

Maybe... maybe not. As I said earlier... for at least the last 15 years I have been hearing that an announcement on UFOs is coming any day now.... and still nothing. In fact you can just about time it... whenever this is a major UFO sighting someone comes out and says that its a sign of disclosure.

In fact I believe it even went so far as in 1989 someone came forward to say their company had been contracted by the US Government to put together a "travelling roadshow" to educate the country about what they knew about aliens and Roswell and everything else that has happened since. The government got cold feet at the last minute... and decided we weren't ready.... and that was 22 years ago.

That's how long we have been hearing that disclosure is coming... my guess is it's going to be another 22 years unfortunately.

Also look at wikileaks... there were rumours about UFO disclosure from wikileaks a month or so ago... what happened to that? Nothing....

[t4488]

Originally Posted by Jane Doe

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What proof do you have that aliens DO muck about with our genes? I believe in a lot of crazy ****, but I don’t like to believe in things unless I have at least ONE reason. I’m not dismissing the possibility, but there are a lot of possibilities out there. For me to take a possibility seriously I have to have a reason, even one reason.



I hope when you speak of “Darwinistic evolution,” you don’t mean social darwanism. Social Darwanism was not even what Darwin had in mind—that was people misinterpreting his theory. Evolution has no goal. There is no species that is “more evolved” than another, although you might say a species is more complex than another. Evolution has a lot to do with chance and a lot to do with opportunities. What Darwin proposed was that, given vast amounts of time, small changes will accumulate in populations. Today, that’s really not a radical idea.



I really don’t get what you mean by “objective evolution info.” Do you think that evolution theorists have some sort of agenda? You could try buying a textbook about human origins, if you really want to understand what evolution does and does not entail.

I don't have any proof. You just sounded very certain that they don't and I thought you might have something.

I don't mean social Darwinism.

Yes I think many evolution theorists have an agenda, as many scientists do (as do many religious people, business people, intelligent design advocates etc.). I looked at several books and they were mostly trying to prove a point. My journey went like this: I could read them all then sort through the ideas. I could read reviews on the books and maybe narrow things down. When I started reading the reviews I came across one reviewer who really seemed to know what he/she was talking about. They mentioned percentages of DNA and writing the authours of one of the text books about errors and getting some changes made but future corrections were ignored. I kind of realized I would need an extensive amount of knowledge to make an informed decision so I put it on the backburner. So when I run into someone who seems very sure of themselves on this issue I ask them where they got their information to check it out for myself. If it is just basic first year university biology, then I have already done that and walked away with unanswered questions. Thanks for your reply.

[Jane Doe]

Yes I think many evolution theorists have an agenda, as many scientists do (as do many religious people, business people, intelligent design advocates etc.). I looked at several books and they were mostly trying to prove a point. My journey went like this: I could read them all then sort through the ideas. I could read reviews on the books and maybe narrow things down. When I started reading the reviews I came across one reviewer who really seemed to know what he/she was talking about. They mentioned percentages of DNA and writing the authours of one of the text books about errors and getting some changes made but future corrections were ignored. I kind of realized I would need an extensive amount of knowledge to make an informed decision so I put it on the backburner. So when I run into someone who seems very sure of themselves on this issue I ask them where they got their information to check it out for myself. If it is just basic first year university biology, then I have already done that and walked away with unanswered questions. Thanks for your reply.

I took a class that dealt specifically with human origins. The first half of the class was dedicated to evolution and what it really entails. The second half was dedicated to the fossil record...you know, the small, small, biological changes that took place over large, large amounts of time....given enough time these changes accumulate and we first get the mammal, then the primate, then the hominoid...

I assume--and correct me if i'm wrong-- that the agendas you speak of are that certain anthropologists might write about THEIR specific phylogenetic tree. Every anthropologists will have their own tree because nobody can make 100% certain claims that this species lead to this species, which lead to humans....
Many species groups become extinct. How do you separate the groups that became extinct from teh humans? You can't. You can make inferences.

For evolution not to hold, these things ALL have to simultaneously occur:
1. the population must be infinitely large so there are no changes in the gene pool due to chance.
2. there can be no gene flow from outside populations, so this infinitely large gene pool must be isolated...
3. every single member of the "non-evolving species group" (which does not exist) must be equally fertile and reproduce at the exact same rate
4. there can be no environmental factors that favor one gene over another (which would mean that the environment would have to remain stable forever)
5. all matings have to be due purely to chance.

In sum, to say you don't believe in evolution is to say that you believe the human race has always been exactly as it is now, and that the earth's climate/topography has always been exactly as it is now. Evolution simply says that things change. That's it. There is no goal, there is no desired outcome. In fact, evolution doesn't always do a good job-- take the human spine, for instance.

[ChrisL]

Jane - I hear what you're saying - if so many people are saying something, it's worth paying attention to or maybe there's some merit in it. I'm not dismissing anyone's stories, but having worked with clients for years, my experience is that there can be a major difference between perception and reality.

If someone firmly believes in something, then to them that is their experience, although what really happened could be quite different. This happens all the time, even as we recall our own past differently than how it happened. There are millions of people who firmly believe in God - it's not my direct experience that there is one being/person who dispenses justice on everyone, but it doesn't make it less valid for others who strongly believe it. And I'm always in favor of discarding all beliefs in favor of direct, personal experience, or simply saying "I'm not aware of that yet".

I've seen clients and taught internationally for years, and every client that I have seen that has claimed to be abducted, has had something else going on - schizophrenia, chemical imbalance, paranoia, physical/emotional abuse, combinations of things, etc. And I have actually spoken at some really interesting venues, including UFO organizations. That's not to say that governments/military don't have secrets, because they do. Are there typically people behind the govts/military who are manipulating things (i.e. Bildeburgers, Illuminati, etc) - sure, not a big secret anymore. Is it possible that aliens could abduct and do experiments on people - yes, it's possible.

[ChrisL]

Everyone - Since I started this thread off, maybe offering some insights would be helpful so that it becomes easier for us to have an empowering perspective on this. I'm aware that this will feel triggering and create questions for some people, and that it will be old news to others. The following information is mostly from the Akashic Records, some of which will be validated by our alien friends:

Human consciousness has been around this solar system for about 206 million years, but only in animal type bodies for about 50 million years. Throughout time, we have evolved our forms to work out the inherent conflict between body and soul. The energy of our souls has a tendency to "wear out" the physical body, and the changing of our genetic structure to create the different races/bloodlines, was partially to get a better energetic connection between body and soul. The next evolutionary step that we will see for human consciousness will be in the form of a non-gendered body, which will become more predominant after the shift toward unification becomes more dominant on the planet. It sounds strange to be sure, but our non-gendered bodies will be more of a reflection of our internal unified state. Human forms will be around the Earth till around 6734.

There used to be 3 places in our solar system that had human-type expression. The first was an orbiting moon of Jupiter that was called Maldec, and the the second was Mars, and the last is Earth. The expression on Maldec was focused on power, Mars was expressing honor, and Earth began as the expression of love/compassion. The moon of Maldec exploded in a true hydrogen explosion, ripping the atmosphere off of Mars, and becoming the asteroid belt between Jupiter and Mars, and Mars and the Earth - leaving Earth as the only playground/university left to experience lifetimes in a human-type expression.

For the most part, as souls, we come from different star systems (i.e. Pleiades, Orion, etc) and migrate to places like Earth. There are a small percentage of souls that are "born" here on the planet, called dyadic souls or soul entities. At any given time, there are 144,000 of them on the planet, meaning all the rest of us originate from other systems. So one of the really humorous aspects of this is that in a way, almost all of us are "aliens", we just don't have the same bodies as our relatives in those systems.

Mystics have told us that nothing has power over us unless we choose to give our power away. Masters like Jeshua who said "You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you", or Mansoor who said "You can kill my body but you can't kill me", were examples of this. The Records show that even death is just a response, not an event, and that at some point, when we have released our internal conflict, then we might choose to die to help others awaken to a greater understanding.

If what the mystics say is true, then nothing and no one can hurt us unless we want them to. In each moment, we can choose to be a victim, thinking that someone/something has power/control over us. Or in each moment, we can choose to remember that we are a sovereign soul merged with a human body, here to witness Creation and express ourselves with ever increasing levels of consciousness and love. If that is true, then no alien, no one will ever have real power over us...unless we want them to.

Look at your own lives and the lives of others. Do you know people who complain about life, are always repeating unsatisfying cycles of life, blaming others, giving their power away? And do you know people who celebrate life as an amazing opportunity to acknowledge others as sacred, make some contribution to life, and empower others?

This announcement, like many other things, will be an opportunity to see ourselves, remember who we really are, and decide how we want to be.

[Melchior]

I'd appreciate it if whoever was in charge of making the announcement would just get it over with already. I figure that in spite of quite a few people being unhappy with the idea of "aliens" populating the earth, that like any other major paradigm shift in our understanding of our world, people will get used to it, quicker these days I'm hoping than in the past. Considering the word has been that its the governments that have been keeping the information more or less hidden, I'm going to doubt that it would be cause for any major calamities. Of course, I'm going to say that the delivery of information of this magnitude should be done with some sort of tact, but I'm sure that between the "aliens" and those "in charge", that some satisfactory method will be had. But again, I'd be for having this information in the public domain sooner than later if at all feasible.

[ChrisL]

I'm with you Melchoir, but with billions of people on the planet, it's a pretty big "coming out" notice.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I'm with you Melchoir, but with billions of people on the planet, it's a pretty big "coming out" notice.

it's beginning to seem earily like the christian claim that Jesus is coming...oh wait, he didn't show up, oh well, he'll be here any day now, you just wait!

Why does everything have to take so damn long to happen?

[ChrisL]

Elucidate - I hear you! It does sound similar, doesn't it!! And maybe it only seems like a long time for those of us who want this to happen yesterday/years ago. I can imagine that there will be some people who will be overwhelmed by this when it happens.

And I'll say the same thing to you that I did with LostMyMap. With masters, what if it's not about coming but more about coming out? Years ago I was talking to a mystic who said that he would see enlightened people all over the place, especially in cities, just walking down the street or standing on the subway platform. He mentioned that most enlightened individuals are quietly living their lives, only some become public masters.

I mean, if Jeshua were alive and helping people quietly awaken for the past 2,000 years, how would you suggest that he become publicly known? And under what circumstances and for what reason should he even come out? The last time he was publicly teaching, followers made it much more about him and less about the actual understanding and wisdom - what do you feel would happen this time? It will be interesting to see what happens.

[elucidate]

Yes, I tend to trust the "non-public" enlightened ones rather than the self-proclaimed gurus...but then, I always had a soft spot for Krishnamurti and his philosophy.

Anyone who teaches people to be their own guru is allright with me. it's the ones that want you to put them on a pedestal that I don't trust.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Elucidate - I hear you! It does sound similar, doesn't it!! And maybe it only seems like a long time for those of us who want this to happen yesterday/years ago. I can imagine that there will be some people who will be overwhelmed by this when it happens.

And I'll say the same thing to you that I did with LostMyMap. With masters, what if it's not about coming but more about coming out? Years ago I was talking to a mystic who said that he would see enlightened people all over the place, especially in cities, just walking down the street or standing on the subway platform. He mentioned that most enlightened individuals are quietly living their lives, only some become public masters.

I mean, if Jeshua were alive and helping people quietly awaken for the past 2,000 years, how would you suggest that he become publicly known? And under what circumstances and for what reason should he even come out? The last time he was publicly teaching, followers made it much more about him and less about the actual understanding and wisdom - what do you feel would happen this time? It will be interesting to see what happens.

[supertom]

But there havent been any public slightings of jeshua if there was than i dont think would be such a shock. I actually don't think its gonna be quite that big since cant really make contact we can only observe. I only ones that are gonna flip are gonna be skeptics.

The irony is UFO believers usually believe anything the government and military say so they might actually begin to doubt UFO's exist after this

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Elucidate - I hear you! It does sound similar, doesn't it!! And maybe it only seems like a long time for those of us who want this to happen yesterday/years ago. I can imagine that there will be some people who will be overwhelmed by this when it happens.

And I'll say the same thing to you that I did with LostMyMap. With masters, what if it's not about coming but more about coming out? Years ago I was talking to a mystic who said that he would see enlightened people all over the place, especially in cities, just walking down the street or standing on the subway platform. He mentioned that most enlightened individuals are quietly living their lives, only some become public masters.

I mean, if Jeshua were alive and helping people quietly awaken for the past 2,000 years, how would you suggest that he become publicly known? And under what circumstances and for what reason should he even come out? The last time he was publicly teaching, followers made it much more about him and less about the actual understanding and wisdom - what do you feel would happen this time? It will be interesting to see what happens.

[t4488]

Originally Posted by Jane Doe

I took a class that dealt specifically with human origins. The first half of the class was dedicated to evolution and what it really entails. The second half was dedicated to the fossil record...you know, the small, small, biological changes that took place over large, large amounts of time....given enough time these changes accumulate and we first get the mammal, then the primate, then the hominoid...

I assume--and correct me if i'm wrong-- that the agendas you speak of are that certain anthropologists might write about THEIR specific phylogenetic tree. Every anthropologists will have their own tree because nobody can make 100% certain claims that this species lead to this species, which lead to humans....
Many species groups become extinct. How do you separate the groups that became extinct from teh humans? You can't. You can make inferences.

For evolution not to hold, these things ALL have to simultaneously occur:
1. the population must be infinitely large so there are no changes in the gene pool due to chance.
2. there can be no gene flow from outside populations, so this infinitely large gene pool must be isolated...
3. every single member of the "non-evolving species group" (which does not exist) must be equally fertile and reproduce at the exact same rate
4. there can be no environmental factors that favor one gene over another (which would mean that the environment would have to remain stable forever)
5. all matings have to be due purely to chance.

In sum, to say you don't believe in evolution is to say that you believe the human race has always been exactly as it is now, and that the earth's climate/topography has always been exactly as it is now. Evolution simply says that things change. That's it. There is no goal, there is no desired outcome. In fact, evolution doesn't always do a good job-- take the human spine, for instance.

As to the agendas, I was more referring to the degree with which some of these evolutionary theorists attack intelligent design.

I would say young earth creationism has been disproved. I would say evidence of evolution has been proven. I would not say that evolution has been proven to explain ALL we know about life and I would not say evolution and intelligent design are mutually exclusive. In fact here is an example of intelligent design.

GM mosquito wild release takes campaigners by surprise - SciDev.Net

The very fact that intelligent design is possible opens a minute possibility of alien intervention in our development.

[pixszi]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Years ago I was talking to a mystic who said that he would see enlightened people all over the place, especially in cities, just walking down the street or standing on the subway platform. He mentioned that most enlightened individuals are quietly living their lives, only some become public masters.
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What does an enlightened person look like?

How does an enlightened person know they are enlightened?

[ChrisL]

Pixszi - "What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us?" Physically, an enlightened person can look just like anyone else. In fact, they may be going to great lengths to hide themselves from others and look normal. Energetically, their auric field will extend to about 3 meters around them, whereas more conflicted people will not extend their energy so much. If you can see auric energy, you will see the gold halo affect over their head, which is the opening of the crown chakra. Some people also report being able to see a double blue aura around them.

You might also feel very different around them, especially if they are an enlightened master - someone who helps others awaken. Not every enlightened person who helps others by teaching, seeing clients, or just being themselves will do this, but an enlightened master will consciously project a strong energetic field to keep attracting the disciple. The first time I sat next to an enlightened master it felt like I was dying and being born at the same time - and I had just met him minutes before. I'm sure there are plenty of people in this forum that have had all kinds of experiences with enlightened individuals.

How does an enlightened person know they are enlightened? A committee comes around and gives you a enlightenment badge. How do we know when we are awake from sleeping? You will know. It can happen in any moment, where we consciously release all of our conflict and fully love/accept ourselves in the moment, knowing that everything is sacred. There will be a profound sense of knowing, because we are then accessing body awareness and soul consciousness that we had previously been blocking.

Enlightenment is a consistent state of no conflict, and one of the benefits of that state of consciousness is that you have conscious access to all of your lifetimes in any moment. We access the Records by shifting into the Oversoul position, but enlightenment is living from the Oversoul position in each moment. So imagine being able to use all the wisdom, not intellectual knowledge, but body-soul wisdom from many lifetimes, and wisdom from the environment all around you, all to focus on the present moment.

And at some point, even defining ourselves as enlightened is a limitation and we want to move beyond even that. There are 21 levels of human consciousness that I'm aware of, with enlightenment only being the 7th.

[Jane Doe]

And I'm always in favor of discarding all beliefs in favor of direct, personal experience, or simply saying "I'm not aware of that yet".

Agreed.

I've seen clients and taught internationally for years, and every client that I have seen that has claimed to be abducted, has had something else going on - schizophrenia, chemical imbalance, paranoia, physical/emotional abuse, combinations of things, etc.

Every client, eh? Coincidence? Correlation? I actually had a serious psychological episode. During that time, I saw UFOs. A psychologist might say they were hallucinations and that I was delusional. Maybe you shouldn't believe me because I'm crazy and everything, but it takes a certain STATE OF MIND to see certain things. And people have had mental "disorders" forever. We only recently started assigning people diseases and complexes and telling them they can take a pill to "fix" their brain. There is nothing wrong with my brain. There is nothing more false about my perception than there is about your perception. I went crazy once and didn't sleep for weeks. During that time, I saw UFOs and experienced too many "coincidences" to count. But my mind state was somehow "not valid," according to the Western world, so my experience is somehow "not valid" as well. This is straight up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Originally Posted by t4488

As to the agendas, I was more referring to the degree with which some of these evolutionary theorists attack intelligent design.

I would say young earth creationism has been disproved. I would say evidence of evolution has been proven. I would not say that evolution has been proven to explain ALL we know about life and I would not say evolution and intelligent design are mutually exclusive. In fact here is an example of intelligent design.

GM mosquito wild release takes campaigners by surprise - SciDev.Net

The very fact that intelligent design is possible opens a minute possibility of alien intervention in our development.

Yep. Intelligent design is possible, at the same time evolution is possible. I was explaining all this crap about evolution because you said you were "agnostic" about it and that you "used to believe in it." Evolution is a fact. Evolution does NOT claim to explain all the answers to the universe. It only claims to explain...you know, evolution. A mechanism for change.

Any person that tries to use evolution to disprove intelligent design is...well, pretty stupid. The subjects belong to two different discourses. They really have nothing to do with one another. Science is not religion, and religion is not science, if people weren't aware.

Also what's up with the weird link you posted?

Also, just my two cents: I don't understand what they point of an "alien announcement" would be. I think it's much more beneficial for people to decide for themselves if something exists, rather than being told...

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Jane Doe

Every client, eh? Coincidence? Correlation? I actually had a serious psychological episode. During that time, I saw UFOs. A psychologist might say they were hallucinations and that I was delusional. Maybe you shouldn't believe me because I'm crazy and everything, but it takes a certain STATE OF MIND to see certain things. And people have had mental "disorders" forever. We only recently started assigning people diseases and complexes and telling them they can take a pill to "fix" their brain. There is nothing wrong with my brain. There is nothing more false about my perception than there is about your perception. I went crazy once and didn't sleep for weeks. During that time, I saw UFOs and experienced too many "coincidences" to count. But my mind state was somehow "not valid," according to the Western world, so my experience is somehow "not valid" as well. This is straight up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I tend to think that being in those states of mind makes us more sensitive to perceive things that are infact there, but the majority are too distracted and covered over and de-sensitized to be able to see them, so it's just easier and more comfortable for them to write anyone who says otherwise off as being nuts! So I agree with you and from my own experiences, there is definately something to that.

[givejonadollar]

There are over 500 planets now so it is possible. I've seen 3 UFO's in my personal experience so it is possible.

However.

Who are "they"?

"They" are coming out? The aliens or the people hiding it? Who are "they"?

[t4488]

Originally Posted by Jane Doe

Agreed.

Yep. Intelligent design is possible, at the same time evolution is possible. I was explaining all this crap about evolution because you said you were "agnostic" about it and that you "used to believe in it." Evolution is a fact. Evolution does NOT claim to explain all the answers to the universe. It only claims to explain...you know, evolution. A mechanism for change.

Any person that tries to use evolution to disprove intelligent design is...well, pretty stupid. The subjects belong to two different discourses. They really have nothing to do with one another. Science is not religion, and religion is not science, if people weren't aware.

Also what's up with the weird link you posted?

Also, just my two cents: I don't understand what they point of an "alien announcement" would be. I think it's much more beneficial for people to decide for themselves if something exists, rather than being told...

I'm sorry, it was simple miscommunication. My improper use of the word "evolution". When I said I was agnostic about evolution, I meant party-line-magic-lightning-bolt-creates-life-from-primordial-soup-evolution-is-the-only-possiblity evolution. I actually said in my previous post that micro evolution had been proven to my satisfaction.

[ChrisL]

Jane - My intention for starting this thread, and for sharing my experience of clients who claimed to be abducted/abused by aliens, was to increase understanding and release fear for everyone that might be reading. There are various layers of reality that we can tap into, and everyone has their own perception - that's a given. I've already stated that abduction is possible just not my experience, or my experience with clients.

When others aren't sharing our same perception, or our perception is considered "wrong" for being so different than others, of course we feel invalidated, rejected. A mystic is definitely having a different perspective than most people, or rather multiple perspectives, which some people would consider as delusional. The difference is that they can help others gain the same perspective, they're typically functioning in a grounded practical way, and are so internally-validating that it doesn't matter if no one agrees with them.

And sometimes we're just delusion or conflicted - nothing wrong with that. I know a woman who thought she was Jesus and went on a shopping spree, staying at hotels and not paying, speaking incoherently with disjointed thoughts, making grandiose claims, etc. Once she was able to get medicine for schizophrenia, which was hereditary in her case, her perspective shifted.

My experience from clients is that their own story/perspective/understanding shifted based on their own experience, not solely based on what I was saying. I didn't make them change or invalidate them - which is what it sounds like you felt with your experience. I was very present with them to see what was needing to be acknowledged in the moment.

Everyone on this forum has probably had some kind of experience of not being acknowledged, understood, valued, respected. And if you have had an experience with UFO's, then I could imagine that a public announcement would seem more like a vindication of your perception, something to celebrate. Based on what everyone has been discussing on this thread, there are likely to be all kinds of reactions from people all over the world. So like my intention for this thread, perhaps the reason for an announcement would be to help lessen the fear, create a sense of trust and sharing, and create a greater collective transformation through wisdom/understanding that will be shared.

[Mynder]

I will say this:

Many people wonder what "the government" is keeping from them, and I'm not saying they're wrong in thinking so.

But if it were deemed important enough, I honestly doubt an elite (government) could keep the aliens from acting on what they perceive is "the right thing to do" in their own ethics framework, i.e. they couldn't be kept "under the lid" if they didn't want to be.

I honestly don't find it far-fetched to believe that we're not alone, not even on our planet. For all I know lots of stuff going on might be influenced and guided that way.

I find it promising.

And Mato Kinze: thank you for that quote. Many people use their studies of spiritual and new-agey things to escape their real lives. Quotes like this help explain that the change happens on the inside, and serves to integrate us with the world, not set us apart from it.

[elucidate]

Unless the government ARE the aliens!

Originally Posted by Mynder

I will say this:

Many people wonder what "the government" is keeping from them, and I'm not saying they're wrong in thinking so.

But if it were deemed important enough, I honestly doubt an elite (government) could keep the aliens from acting on what they perceive is "the right thing to do" in their own ethics framework, i.e. they couldn't be kept "under the lid" if they didn't want to be.

I honestly don't find it far-fetched to believe that we're not alone, not even on our planet. For all I know lots of stuff going on might be influenced and guided that way.

I find it promising.

And Mato Kinze: thank you for that quote. Many people use their studies of spiritual and new-agey things to escape their real lives. Quotes like this help explain that the change happens on the inside, and serves to integrate us with the world, not set us apart from it.

[Mynder]

Then I'd wonder why they'd have to pick as ugly a guise as our chancellor.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Mynder

Then I'd wonder why they'd have to pick as ugly a guise as our chancellor.

Well that's a good point. Like in V the final battle the head alien was very attractive and managed to seduce all the people into trusting her.

I have to say though, once I was at a friends house watching an interview with Obama and his wife, and he looked...different. Like his smile was just that much wider and his eyelashes were all curly, and he looked so...pretty, batting his eyelashes and not saying anything and his wife speaking for them both. It was creepy.

I actually got this feeling he was an imposter?

[Mynder]

If so, then after George Bush, it is still the best thing that could have happened to the US...at least from an outside point of view.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Mynder

If so, then after George Bush, it is still the best thing that could have happened to the US...at least from an outside point of view.

Good point. There isn't much worse that could have happened really. Aliens would be a massive improvement from that guys reign of bs.

[Mynder]

Didn't you yourself say in another thread humanity sucks at maintaining our Earth environment? Maybe the aliens think the same thing and go about guiding us in the proper direction.

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Originally Posted by Mynder

Didn't you yourself say in another thread humanity sucks at maintaining our Earth environment? Maybe the aliens think the same thing and go about guiding us in the proper direction.

Well, I have to wonder why they would wait until we are on the brink of extinction to come and help us? If they have been here for thousands of years and have been observing us, surely an advanced race would be able to recognise that we need a little guidance...unless they just like to watch us destroy ourselves and jump in at the last minute?

It's all starting to sound more and more like another "jesus is coming to rescue us all" trip. That's an understandable thing to think, and pray for, when a ship is sinking.

[Mynder]

Well, maybe they're not here to save. Maybe they're here to subvert us all, and drain our psychic energies to have better alien sex.