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[Child of God]

I just joined the forums and wanted to say hi.

So a bit about myself: I grew up in a fairly legalistic and intellectual Christianity. About a year ago my God really touched me and now I'm a charismatic Christian. Recently, my God told me to research astral projection and that's how I ended up here. After looking into astral projection and some other occult stuff I realized that is not necessarily good or evil, but rather just very human (Although a person is free to use it for good or evil).

I searched for a Christian mentor to help teach me this stuff, but most Christians (even charismatic Christians who are much more open to spiritual things than non-charismatic Christians) are afraid of the occult. What I'd really like to do (and I think my God is preparing me to do) is learn this stuff so that I can bring it into Christianity. That said I'd love advice and teaching on spiritual stuff.

I'm currently still working on astral projection, I've had some partial success so far. It is very similar to a meditation practice that some Christians use called "soaking". Personally, soaking brings me to the place where time and space don't exist and I just hang out with my God. The biggest trouble I've had in astral projecting is getting my consciousness to go with my spirit (or astral body. I'm using Christian lingo, I hope everything is clear :-P ). I often have dual consciousness experiences where I'm caught somewhere between my body and my spirit. Any advice?

Other than that my God was telling me that he wanted to refine my prayer life. For example I often pray for complete strangers that I see when I'm on a walk (I usually feel what they are radiating and then pray for them. So if someone was giving off rejection I'd pray acceptance on them. I usually visualize this energy leaving my hands and going on to them.). No one has taught me any of these techniques though, I've just picked them up by myself. So my prayers are often crude where I overcome resistance with brute spiritual strength instead of finesse. This can be spiritually exhausting sometimes, especially when I don't have enough raw power to breakdown walls. I'd really love to learn actual techniques. It sorta feels like I'm a barbarian who is just wildly swinging, when my God wants me to be trained warrior.

Other than that I'm a seer in training. I see in the spirit when I'm awake, but my vision isn't fully developed. I also don't know what I'm looking at most of the time. I'm empathetic at times and can control it to some extent. However, I'm not sure how to close myself off, only to open myself up (kinda).

I hope this was clear. I'd really appreciate help with spiritual stuff. Also if you have any questions about Christianity I will try my best to answer them. As I said earlier I grew up in a very judgmental Christianity, so if you are wondering why Christians say this or that I could help you out.

May you all have a wonderful day blessed with peace and comfort,
-Child of God

[desertrat]

Welcome to the forum. I was rased Christan , but now think of my self as new age. There are people on this forum from many parts of the world and have many differnt beliefs . On using white from your hands , this is part of the circulation of white light. You may of used this in a past life and dont remember . I looked for web sites on circulation of white light and did not find the ones I wanted , if I find them I will post them later. hear are some sites on a.p. , and some other forums New Age 500+ Free Speech Forums - Hip Forums www.circleofwhitelight.com Spirit in the Clouds - White Light Reiki - Divide, CO Astral Dynamics • Index page desert rat

[Nimue]

Hello! Welcome to the forums

It's kind of you to offer answers! There is a wide range of beliefs in here, and several may have questions about Christianity. (I'm a Christian too, just not the "official" kind-I'm limited to the basic philosophy of "love Trinidy and people and believe in them". I love reading history of Christianity, though, so that to know what really happened)

Many people who come here are empaths who don't know how to close themselves (I used to be one). Don't worry, it's simple to make it, really. All it takes is some practice-and I bet you have more than enough of the willpower needed
Take a look at this thread:
empath question
I'm not a pro in empathy, but I've worked on it and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have

Also, a thought about your praying: when you refine your empathy, you'll be able to gather more from people, so you'll be closer to hitting "on the spot", and I bet this means you'll lose less energy. Also, I believe you have to "feel" the balance of things. Sometimes, something bad has to happen before something good, and if you understand in your heart the "flow" you'll be able to change things in a more well-constructed way.
There is a thread here, called "read the energy of the person above you game", where you can practice "reading" people while having fun.
Maybe in the intention-manifestation part of the forums they have some ideas too.

[Child of God]

Thank you both for your advice, the websites/forums were helpful (I haven't fully explored them, but I did do some scouting).

With regards to empathy, how open should you be on a daily basis? On one hand, I care about people and want to use my gifts to help them, but at the same time I know I can't bear the world on my shoulders (I've taken someones sickness or weariness on myself before because I hate to see them suffer. Whenever I do this though I become miserable unless I give it up to Jesus). I've put walls of white fire on computer/television screens to allow only good stuff to pass though. I've also done the same thing to my house and dorm room. However, personally I just try to overcome anything that attaches on to me with overwhelming love or joy (joy is by far my largest reserve of energy).

I spent the last summer in Boston (more specifically I was in Cambridge on the MIT campus), and it felt very dry there. Whenever I walked down Massachusetts Avenue I would feel things from the bars try to jump onto me and cling to me. What confuses me is why some of these demons (not all of them though) were able to hold on to me, after all I am on fire. When I know something is on me I usually crank the intensity of the flames up, I know the demons hate it, but how are they able to hold on? Am I feeding them energy? Or are they being ordered to attack me? I know the head demon over MIT really hates me, because I cleared a bunch of them off the campus (It really pisses me off when I see demons feeding off of my friends, so I often go on the offense. ).

May your reserves of love and joy be filled to the point of overflowing today,
-Child of God

[Nimue]

Thank you, CoG. That is beautiful!

MIT campus? That sounds cool!

Well, as far as I can see, you choose the method of the classic fighter over the way of the martial artist. I'll explain. The classic fighter has a shield and a punch, and fights everything head-on. The martial artist accepts the strength of the opponent, and uses it or simply avoids the main damage.
Enough philosophy
About the "things that jumped on you": there are things that cling on you just because you keep confronting them as a warrior. If you just accept there is a negative feeling, say "okay, I feel it, big deal" and focus on other stuff, it'll have no resistence to hold on and go away. There may be remainings, but you can usually get them off by some cleansing (probably prayer). For the same reason you can't help everyone, you can't always counter every single aggressive feeling. You have to let some pass through you. You could see it as a part of accepting and understanding people

You may find your own methods to cope with it in the proccess, but I believe the above it's helpful at least for a start

As for shielding, in the beginning you'll have to do some extra prectice to get the hang of it, but in general you just have to keep an average balance. Do help people, but remember that among the people you can help, yourself also counts-we are responsible for what we own, right?
For example, that's what I do: "on" when I first meet someone, "off" in casual conversation, "on" if something feels wrong although I have a shield or if there is anything else I can't understand. "Off" in crowds, targeting only certain people that get my eye. "On" if I'm looking for someone/something, "Off" if I sense anything strongly negative. I hope that gives you an impression of the general idea

[Child of God]

That makes a lot of sense Nimue, thank you. As I said earlier, my God told me that right now I fight like a barbarian and that He is going to refine me.

With regards to shielding I definitely need to grow. My current idea of a shield isn't even really a shield, but rather I just make the fire that's on me so intense that anything trying to come through that isn't white is going to get burned. As I said earlier I know how to open myself up, but not how to close myself up. So I compensate by attacking/killing every demon that gets too close.

The problem with this method is that it requires some active concentration as opposed to being a passive thing. It is really more of a "offence is the best defense strategy", where I'll be calling down white light from God/Source on me and everything around me.

So when the demons are hanging onto me they are not actually feeding off my energies, but rather just putting negative thoughts into my head and hoping I'll bite (Sorta like demonic fishermen)? And in fighting the ones that are sent to distract me I'm actually playing their game? It doesn't strengthen them, but it does hinder me?

Does all of this sound right?

May peace overtake you,
-Child of God

[Nimue]

Hmm, I see a possible flow in your fire shield. Shielding is, first of all, a method of controlling your gift and the way it interacts with the world, not a method of destroying the messages or whoever is responsible for them. So you are probably focusing on "destruction", instead of "stopping the interaction". Theoretically, though, it could have worked to some extent as everyone likes picturing their own shield-it should be weaker than the average shield, not unable to block anything. The reason I believe this happens is because you are a very positive person and just don't have pure destruction into you, you are the person that fights evil by changing things into something better


Also, about your need to call God: you don't need to call God down for everything. Some things you can do yourself perfectly well (do trust that God created us all with a wise design My personal impression is that He likes it if we act that way, to some extent at least) One of the things you can do yourself is making a low-energy shield for daily life. You can combine it with your super-heavenly-fire defense at harder situations, and it is highly possible it will be stronger if you keep your full power for such situations. A basic thing for anything refined is "use as much energy needed wherever needed", neither too much nor too little
Your fire shield can work pretty well I believe, you just need to figure out the right way of thought to put behind it.

I am not sure about how to imagine the demons you describe, but maybe it would help if you thought of these demons as negative feelings. Real demons act in a more autonomous way, when feelings just get picked up (and sometimes get stuck onto you). The way they react with your inner world depends on the feeling. They may feel draining (reacting destructively with your positive side that fights against them), they may be the annoying, "sticky" type that could leave leftover negativeness in you, and other kinds too. Find which kind of shield you feel comfortable with, and if you exercise enough on the right feeling you'll have a good devence against them all (And use the "ninja" way to let the most pushy feelings go without really harming you)

By the way I really like your idea of shielding your PC and house, I tried and it feels more comfortable in here
You can try using the same imaginary light shield for your personal shield.

May you have balance
Nimue

[Child of God]

Nimue, I'm not really sure what you mean in your first paragraph, could you please expand that.

Let me elaborate on what my beliefs are, because my beliefs shape the atmosphere around me.

Fire: When I talk about fire I'm almost always referring to a white refining fire. This fire is refining in that it only burns away impurities. I think of good things like gold and silver, passing through the fire only makes them more pure. In this way fire protects me and others from evil by purifying it. If something is a mixture of good and evil, then I'll purify it and absorb the good.

Energy reserves: I agree, God can do things, but he prefers us to do them. I know that I have stores of energy, but I usually them the same way I use my laptop (plugged in). Unless I am calling down fire from Heaven (Which is really cool) I usually visualize energy coming onto me and flowing through me. I do run on solely my reserves at times, but unless I'm focused on flowing out, I live my life in a state of near-constant receiving.

Demons: I don't know a lot, but here's what I believe. I think that demons are fallen angels, but I'm not sure if we can create them by negative thoughts. I know that they need to feed off of human energy to live. I also know that you can kill them (However, an angel wasn't told me that killing a demon and casting it into Hell/Lower planes was essentially the same thing.).

Love: Even though I do a lot of warfare outside of my home, I prefer to not do it where I live. This is because I see warfare as an active thing, which I don't want to have to constantly engage in. So I would rather have love be so thick in my room that nothing evil can exist there. I do this my praying, worshiping, and anointing my room with oil. Music also helps, I often play Julie True's music on a loop in my room.

I'm willing to change my beliefs on all of these, because several of them are just guesses. What do you think?

May love descend on you like a cloud,
-Child of God

[HiImJeremy]

This is interesting.

i find this a lot with some of my christian friends who think i do evil work. allow me offer another perspective. take or reject what you will; this isn't a conformity cult.

There are a many number of energies around us at all times. Some believe that this energy is like an ocean or soup, surrounds us, submerges us, in it at all times. Those who are some what closed off in the heart space do not percieve this energy as well as say an empath would. Which im gathering you are from the above posts.

No some like to go into philosophy of good and bad, positive and negative. For the sake this perspective, lets not go into that. Its exhausting. we're all going at our own pace.

Theres good emotions like love and joy. Hope you should be careful with. Hope carries with it an energy of ' perhaps this could happen'. It's not certain, it's wavering. Faith is a much better energy then hope. Though Hope CAN help. It has in many cases.

Theres also negatively aligned emotions. we have experienced many of these throughout our lives. Anger, Hatred, depression, jealousy and envy.

Now when we feel one of these we create an energy. This energy depending on it's alignment on good or bad can do many things. Good thoughts will attract more good to it! that is lovely. Negative thoughts will attract negative. A common term for a negative energy when it attachs to something is called feeding.

Now positive energy can benefit others. It is sustained by the good thoughts we have and the goood feelings we have. Negative feelings have a source - However when you have cut yourself from that negative energy that you have in fact created, it will go searching for likewise energy. This is simple universal law. Like attracts like. In this case this original energy which was created in USA could end up in spain attached to someone with depression, or someone who feels likewise to that thought.

From a shamanic perspective, every thought and feeling which is created together is an entitiy.

This is background so we're on the right track.

Now demons are a little different. There are entities and there are other things. Demons have a different creator. They are indeed created, but not like us. We have a source which continuously supplies us wuth energy. Therefore we are being sustained all the time in one way or another. A demon does not have a source for itself to gain energy. Therefore it is only logical that the demon must gain it's energy from us, who have a basically unlimited supply - that is until we die and go back.

So they will attack the very weak or very strong. The weaker could be children or the elderly or those extremely depressed ecetera. The strong are those Warriors in the word, who are many. Im sure you could think of the reasons why this is.

Not everything is a demon. By recognising that everything is a demon, you create the thought that leads demons to you.

i warn against this, but it is your free will choice.

Creator gifted all of us with free will choice. Believe what you wish to believe. Creator cares about you, but what you do with creator has no choice over. Now isn't that intriguing? We see this throughout history. Creator let Hitler choose his path, Creator also let Mother Teresa choose her path. It all goes by choice.This is why i dont agree with established religion. Creator can sure inspire you, but Creator will not tell you what to believe. Creator will not dictate anything to you, you are here to make choices. Take inspiration from the stories and grow with them.

Again take what you will and what resonates and leave the rest. Who knows? I could be lieing to you.

As such. Creator gifted you with some other things. Creator knew there would be struggle here. This is why this is a great place to learn. So much for us to do. He gifted each of us with a shield and a sword. Not to kill demons unless your like path is set as such. We shine light. Shine consciousness. Shine love. Nothing can stand because something so beautiful and graceful. It will flee, it will be take care of in its own time.

A last note. Angels aren't always winged and brighter then gold and look like children. They're Bad ass. They got some moves. We do not mess with the Angels hahaha. And the angels help us all the time if we ask. Archangel michael appears to me as a tall as Jedi type figure. The tunic and cloaks. Magnificent to behold. Truly a protective figure. He can be your best friend

Good Luck to you friend!

[Child of God]

Thanks Jeremy, that was really good (It all resonated). I'm very grateful that there are people like you to help guide me in spiritual stuff. I only have two Christian friends that know I'm getting into occult/new age stuff (while still remaining Christian that is ). If you guys are ever interested in some of the charismatic Christian stuff (Prophecy, healing, tongues, miracles, etc...) just let me know. The charismatic church has some really neat manifestations that happen: gold dust, gems, trans-location, etc. I'm sure a lot it is the same stuff, but it just goes under another name.

Also another note about my Christianity. I'm not bound under any law (I've moved along ways from my legalistic roots). Rather I have complete free will to do has I want, although I do ask God's advice quite often (A lot of time He ends up saying "Stop being so afraid of doing the wrong thing and do whatever you want to do." ). My faith is much more about relationship with Jesus than about "doing the right thing." I have found that there is more gain in love than in hate (or neutrality) so I usually just follow wherever love leads.

I would have never thought that energy takes on a life of its own like that, but that's why I'm here to learn. It also then makes sense that we wouldn't want to call negative energy demons. Since there is power in your words you shouldn't say a demon is present unless there really is one. So how do you respond to negative energy and how do you respond to demons, because I tend to attack both head on semi-blindly throwing fire/glory balls.

With regards to us using energy, I know that we generate our own, because Creator created us in His image. However, if I'm plug into the Creator I have so much more energy at my disposal. I know that Creator likes it when I use my own energy, because He likes to see me grow. Why should I though if His energy is right at my fingertips?

I'm fascinated by faith, could you explain that more please?

And yeah, I agree angels are totally bad ass. To be honest, angels terrify me more than demons. It isn't that they are scary, but rather they are overwhelming.

[desertrat]

Hear is the middle pillar ritual . I do mine laying down and without the words in Hebrew. This builds up your white light , aura , ect. If you do this in a car ( as stated in another thread) others might not understand , its best done at home. A Beginner's Guide to Ceremonial Magick: The Ritual of the Middle Pillar The 'Middle Pillar' Exercise The Middle Pillar The Middle Pillar Ritual-Kabbalah Exercise www.PleiadianTalk.com: LBRP, Middle Pillar Ritual & Circulation of Body of Light Instructions on the Middle Pillar Exercise These are basic the same , but there are some differances , that is the reason I posted many. If you want you can search , Golden dawn , circulation of white light , ect. desert rat

[HiImJeremy]

It all depends on what you believe. You create your reality.

Faith is just another powerful vibration. To me it's a knowing that there is something so powerful just always around you, helping you along always. Supporting you. It's a wonderful feeling.

In relation to responding to negative energy. Like i mentioned in my last post, you were given both a shield and a sword.

Some really disagree with shields. It's never really presented a problem or issue for me, in fact it helps me a lot. The shield method i use was taught to me by a Shaman in America. It is a bubble of protection that srrounds you at all times, and around this bubble is a filter that allows in only those good energies, only those of love that are for your highest good. All other energies bounce off. Your bubble has the love and light of creator overflowing. More then you could EVER use.

Many forget a filter around their bubble, and so yes they have the white light around them but any old energy can still fling into them. Good or bad. You must also remember that a shield is very bright. Imagine a dark room, and then lighting a candle. Now this is why dark entities can often be attracted to you. The very strong who sometimes have a shield have all of this over flowing energy. But they want there negativity, or at least the attention of that person. When you pay something attention, you give it energy.

So when you encounter negative energy, they could do a couple of things. They can impersonate anyone. Even Jesus. Make you feel more special then everyone else, play to your ego desires. If they can't please you, they will frighten you instead. No one can enter this shield unless you let them. Shine your light brighter! When you are the light, there is nothing that can stand in your way.

So the answer, how to deal with negative entities is really shine your light bright.

[Child of God]

Thanks for all the help everybody.

So far I've done that Lesser Banishing of the Pentagram several times (Wow! Does that make the room light up or what? ) and I tried the Middle Pillar for the first time today (It was really cool, I let the energy circulate throughout my body. I didn't direct it to any specific issue, but if I have the belief that I don't need to direct it then it will behave automatically, right? That whole I shape reality around me thing.) I also didn't use the Hebrew (Mostly, because I have no idea how to pronounce the words. ), so I used the English translations. It's funny, because I think I could get away with doing either of those rituals in a Christian context has long as I didn't tell them that they are magic rituals.

So with light you need to go all out, constantly burning so intense that anything that is not of the light will flee? Also, is everyone given a shield and a sword, or do you just say that I was given one based on previous posts?

May everyone have a restorative and balanced sleep (Except the Australian who I pray has a wonderful day. :P ),
-Child of God

[HiImJeremy]

Every single person who comes to earth has both a shielf and a sword. You must remember that it takes practice to hold up a shield, a constant awareness which some find exhuasting. My shield feels like a heavy coat. It's not hard to tell the difference between whether this coat is on or off! You can tell the difference. So i can feel my protection always there. All depends on what you want.

Also be aware that the negative thoughts you create will not be sent out into the world, but will remain inside your bubble. So you can dim your own light by thinking negatively etc. Just ask Creator to please send more light down to clear out the bubble.

The bubbles intensity of light also depends on your relationship with Creator. The better the relationship, the more powerful the shield and the more intense the light. Always a good idea to have an attitude of gratitude.

[Nimue]

I didn't reply on time, but it looks like we have some pretty helpful guys here
You sound like doing great, CoG! If the rituals are so good, I'm gonna try them too

My shield feels like an unbreakable, plastic bubble that moves around by itself with me on its center. It has no weight, but I can "feel" some pushing when it comes to feelings. For other things it acts as if not being there. It's pretty comfortable. The coat idea seems nice, but it looks like it doesn't keep too much personal space around.

[HiImJeremy]

Oh Nim!

Just to clarify, my shield is a huge bubble or sometimes snow globe looking thing. The coat idea just supplies me with a feeling to let me know whether i have it on or not, it's not really a coat hahaha. And it has no physical or spiritual weight, it just feels like i have it on hhaha. That is all.

[Nimue]

Ooh, now I get it I'll try putting a "coat feeling plug-in" in my shield too, then. I can "see" the shield with my imagination, but I haven't perfected it to the point of always feeling its effect on me. I usually leave it on my subconscious, which keeps it in low-energy levels, and if I forget checking it when something malicious approach I may just get depressed out of the blue.

Thanks for turning my focus on this, Jeremy

[Child of God]

Now maybe this is me not knowing what I'm talking about (if it is, please correct me), but it seems there is a difference between visualizing something and imagining something.

For example let's say I'm healing someones eyesight. Unlike, most Christians I usually do not "pray" for people to be healed unless my spirit prompts me to (Although pray is a perfectly legitimate method to bring healing). Rather I lift the person up to God and open myself up as conduit for energy/healing to flow though. I direct the healing, but at the same time I don't. I almost always start telling the person what I'm seeing/feeling. I feel that the purpose of this is more about bolstering their faith (When I tell a person that there is a heat in their back and this is what it feels like it boosts their confidence in the healing.) Then I will tell them what is happening with the energy/heat in their body.

At this point is where I start visualizing things (When I say visualize I am referring to an active thing that I do, while seeing and feeling are passive things). I will first see what the energy needs to do to heal the person, then I will begin to visualize the energy doing that. I get feedback with my visualizations though, I know the progress that they are making and their strength. So my question is there actually a difference between visualization and imagination. I would like to imagine that they are healed instantly, but I can only visualize what I can visualize (Does that make sense).

Like last night using the Lesser Banishing of the Pentagram ritual I made a sphere around myself that had four pentagrams on it. I made it spin, and then I set it on fire (I set it on fire with my Zippo lighter that I was using as a candle. I know that I don't need a physical flame to ignite it, but I decided why not?) However, the flames were reds, yellows, and oranges. I tried to change them to white flames, but I could not. So I simply expanded the sphere to enclose my entire property (Normally I live in my dorm room, but I'm on break. Not that my house has a negative atmosphere, but my dorm has an amazing atmosphere compared to my house.)

So back to the earlier question, am I limiting myself or what is it?

[HiImJeremy]

very interesting!

When you visualise you use your imagination. That's how i see it. You are only limited by your imagination. The reason that is, is because your imagination is limitless. Another paradox. hahaha.

I know what you mean, when i visualise or imagine something sometimes my shield which i like white, will turn gold or blue. Doesn't matter haha, the intention behind it is what matters.