The Final Equation For Existence??

[Vipa]

Please delete as I can't this end (I have tried). Ta.... Vipa
Request also left with Steve to same effect.

[ethereal]

Hehe, no idea what you're talking about but you probably know something I don't

I recommend checking out Wei Wu Wei's books, he explains the ultimate state of Subjectivity very well using metaphysics and logic, similar to what you have done. Though I suggest also reading Dr. Hawkins' work for a spiritual understanding of the whole thing -- intellectual and experiential understanding are two different things.

Based on what I can comprehend: if the Ultimate Reality is One, then that is still dual between One and the Many. If the Ultimate Reality is Existence, then that is still dual between Existence and Nonexistence. Thus, the Ultimate Reality is indescribable, ineffable, undefinable, without any concepts at all. Hence all the paradoxes, which is linear languaging trying to describe something that cannot be described.

[ElizaJ]

Vipa, continue with your thougths, you're on to something.

[Ijin Kaion]

if existance falls back to being one then the divided realms of existance are futile, one can not be everything, or everything would be one.
and that would get rather lonely.

so as to what existance really is then?
it`s the question of life, existance, purpose.
allready 3 things that cannot be one or else diversity would not exist and diversity exists.

the universe or multiverse or whatever multi more you want to add to universe, is that the word itself is flawed.
universe, unified, verse i don`t know to be honest, or at least not in the sense of realm or plain.

but as you can throw math at it to measure it and to understand it`s build.
you come to the conclusion that from the moment you make a calculation, you are calculating differences in multiple things.
like adding, 1+1 = 2 those are 2 things that exist right away as you start.
so the concept of existance being one is negated by the same calculation you where trying to use for confirming your theory.

i`m no math genius really i`m not but common sense could solve this with a little effort.
and then infinity, this universe isn`t all there is.
infinity in existance is that there is no end to what once started, existance started when the universe was made or made itself whatever it did, and expanded.
it learned, it created, and it`s creations created further, we are but extensions of the source of creation, utillize it and you learn alot from it.

and in that way i mean using your own inner source since it is a creating force, just like the universe did you can use it`s creation.
and thus your existace brings forth existance.
either by discovering a new material, or combining two materials to make some other existance.

made up stories are real in existance.
pick a phrase, it exists, if not before then now it does.

it`s not that hard, logic is simple, you just need to understand it`s steps.

[Ijin Kaion]

well then let`s get that again then.

what you mean with your equasion, then lonely if all is one.
since company if through connection or presence etc, then all would not be one anymore the moment that other comes into play.

it`s basically a word joke when you look at it.

one is one 1, then if all is 1 then no 2 would be there in the first place.
same for infinity, has no end.
no end means never stops, allways will be there, will grow etc.

for life is one thing for existance i do know, that there are many things out there wich makes something bigger known.

the word universe, translation? all in one let`s keep it at that.
but when universe is all in one, then infinity would be a continuous circle instead.

why?

because it does, it`s the way it behaves.
or so it seems, then proportion comes.

how big are we really.

specs on a map, or a billboard you can`t miss even when you are blind?
when the universe expands, then do we?
do we grow in size or shrink because of this?

i don`t know yet, but it`s worth investigating.

in the end you`ll see that there is no end, just a big recylcing center.

[yossarian]

e=mc^2 is not an equation for existence

1 multiplied by -1 is not 0

you'd do much better if you left the math/physics out of your contemplations, since you don't know anything about math/physics

I mean, if you're not educated in physics, why bother trying to speak the language? You wouldn't try to write a novel in Chinese, and it's pretty obvious you know as much about math & science as you do about Chinese.

[Ijin Kaion]

well it is true that a lot of thing sare comprehensible by means of math.

but there is more to it then math, and math can only solve up to a certain point, as your mind should become like the tool you are using.
then you`d get more out of it, but then you`d be like a living calculator.

and that defies the purpose of having what you have as existance.

basically existance is truth.

truth is what is and not what is not.
so if existance is our understanding of what is, then existance is truth.

but to understand existance itself is hard and you need many ways to learn to understand it.