natural death or witchcraft induced disease?

[arkimote06]

I am a fan of naturopathology and holistic healing but in we must also not forget that we must also heal our spirits. One question arising again when I witnessed my aunt years ago how she suffered from cancer and heresy that she's been hexed. I saw how the healer performed the removal but it's too late she's in coma. Recently I have a neighbor who just suffered the same symptoms in just a matter of months. She had first a pustule that jumps from one part of the body to another part....then she had a stoned hard breasts until she died. Is this possible that someone could do this to their fellow humans? What can we do to protect ourselves? I heard that hex curse is strong when you've eaten their offering. Someone also says that the healers do also hex so they know each other...when they meditate in a mountain they can talk to one another in their minds...it's just a matter of choice if they will choose to become a healer or witch...Recently I healed someone....it's just a simple oral hex or spell cast to her because of anger unconsciously...just like a negative thought or karma.....then she became ill, we tried conventional treatments but they're ineffective not until i prayed and ask help from a community like these. I myself has been a victim of hex spells when I was a child. What can we do if the hex is so strong?

[Richful]

How do you know it's a hex? Was there something left for the person to find? Otherwise this may be paranoia. Not all things are caused by witchcraft.

The powers you talk about would require years of dedication to perfect. To be honest it sounds more like folklore than real accounts.

There are protection spells you can learn if you truly believe you've been hexed or cursed. I would suggest googling it, purely because they are easy to find and you will be able to choose something within your personal belief system. Most I know are from the Kabbalah, which you may or may not agree with.

[arkimote06]

my aunt's curse has confirmed...the moment she died our telephone rang and we know that voice...she just laugh and laugh...we knew who hex her because they are our relatives...my aunt has a good health not until they offered her a food...yes there are powerful witchcrafts in our place...a day before she died we invited a healer. He can't use my aunt's body coz she's in coma rather he used my cousin's....because of unbearable pain the healer chose her father..to my surprise my uncle changed his voice while responding to the healer....they won't fake or act coz it's her mother and his wife...that healer don't ask for any payment...he believed the one who made that had already made a decision and he can't do anything about it coz it's too late ( i know the only thing we can do to break it is the person itself and her faith)...the next morning she died...I also experience some premonitions and dreams before she die...I still dreaming of her...they said spirits of those who died because of hex are begging for help...the other one i talk about had an unexplainable lumps that jumps from one leg to other then climb to chest then transfer to another....there are some black practice in our place that are still unknown to other place or history...there are also stories my grandma witnessed in their province , a possessed girl had an enormous energy that she climbs every coconut tree she could pass faster than monkeys and acting so weird...they never knew she could climb a coconut tree and she's not capable of doing that...and other things like seeing a spirit that mimic's a person's she know.. it's not a secret but it's undocumented. I'm just wondering if these practice occurs in other part of the world. Years of dedication? it's been around since ancient times and they teach it to their child and pass to another generation...or other people just hire them. I become uneasy when I just sense their presence. I know a person right away if they have powers.

What am I suppose to find to know it's hex? what possession?

[Richful]

Hmm do you mind me asking where you are? What country? What province?
It all sounds pretty intense, I don't think I'm experienced enough to suggest anything specific. Personally if I were under attack I'd hire a rival witch or shaman to help me. Faith can help but I prefer a more pro-active approach.
How can you know? You never really can know for certain, even if someone claims to have hexed you that doesn't mean they are able to...

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by arkimote06

What am I suppose to find to know it's hex? what possession?

Usually it is some sort of object...like a corn dolly perhaps? Something that holds the energy and intention of the curser. If the person gets sick, like your aunt, then it's possible, but it's always possible that she was sick anyway?

What reason do you think these people or person would have to want to place this curse on your relative...if indeed this is the case? Did she do something, or are they jealous or hateful by nature?

If there was an object sent to her or given to her, that held this intention, I'd suggest you find it.

[arkimote06]

it's very intense feud...to the point she burned my aunt's house...after that our aunt went away...but she went back to that place...that person offered a food...my aunt ate that after that she became sick...the moment she died and we are removing the oxygen our phone rang...we recognized the voice...all she do is laugh, cry, laugh and cry...seems like she already know what happened that moment...we even feel a cold air around us...i'm so young then like 15 yr/o but i know what's happening...my cousin will not act or tell lie that she feels so much pain when the healer used her body to suffer and talk to that person who did that curse....my uncle changed voice to a woman...and they don't know what the healer did to them...they said it feels like smoking hot metal or knife slicing their feet and head...while the healer just put a small piece of paper in their toes with something written on it and just a piece of match in their heads...we were holding their arms coz they just freaked out...and a lot of strange stories...

[Mato Kinze]

Arkimote;
Yes, this type of thing happens all over the world. In areas where indigenous practices still hold a lot of power, curses and hexs must be guarded against.

You are also correct that healing someone and hurting someone use exactly the same energy and talents. And therefore, the only difference is the Intent of the practitioner. Hate, anger, jealousy, and other negative emotions are very strong focusers of Power and Intent. Guarding against them spiritually and energetically is far more effective than fighting them once they're established.

If you and your family have been exposed to this, it is very important for you to seek the aid of someone with more talent and strength than the person/people who caused the curse to begin with.

Failing that, reconcile in whatever way you can with the person you call witch.

I have offered a prayer on your behalf. It is not much, but it is what I can do.

[JSB]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

Arkimote;
Yes, this type of thing happens all over the world. In areas where indigenous practices still hold a lot of power, curses and hexs must be guarded against.

Does this mean they are not effective in places where witchcraft is not accepted as "real", as in more skeptical or materially oriented cultures?

Does the underlying belief system of a population or a group energy affect the power of this sort of thing?

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by JSB

Does this mean they are not effective in places where witchcraft is not accepted as "real", as in more skeptical or materially oriented cultures?

Does the underlying belief system of a population or a group energy affect the power of this sort of thing?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I thought I'd throw in what I know about these things. And please correct me if I am wrong here Mato Kinze.

The energy that is sent to someone does affect their energy field, whether they believe in it or not, but it is 100 times more effective if they do believe in it, as their own imagination and fears will help to create a paranoia in the victim, and this will unbalance them, causing them to be hyper vigilant but also not cautious enough at the same time, if that makes sense?

So, a person who believes themself to be cursed can be so wrapped up in the fear of what is going to happen to them, that they will not look both ways and walk in front of a bus.

It is a psychological game as much as an energetic reality. In a place where these things are viewed with skepticism, the person may get very sick and die, but no one would ever think it had anything to do with someone sending them "bad energy". They'd just assume it was "that persons time"...and maybe it was? It's hard to know for sure what the reality is.

It might be better for the person if they don't believe in such things, as they would not fall prey to the fear in their own minds. In indigenous parts of the world though, it is a common belief system, so, if someone, who has a legitimate background in witchcraft or sorcery, and is known to be powerful, (not just someone pretending and using the power of suggestion), "points the bone" at you, that's it...you pretty much have a death sentence hanging over your head, and it's just a matter of when and how...which really, is the reality of death for everyone anyway, but since most people are actively trying to avoid thinking about death on a day to day basis, playing with that primal fear in a person can set them up for bringing about their own demise sooner than they would have thought, by their own fear too.

It's also important to realize that you can counter act any attack though, that you aren't powerless to stop it. You cannot stop what another person intends, but you can refuse to allow it into your mind and energy field.

[arkimote06]

I do believe to your insights...as I'm also a Bible reader and fearing not of these things will not cause any harm. It's been a part of my past for almost a decade. I'm a teenager then. I'm just seeking if this happens in another part of the world. Well mind has a lot to do to person's overall health. I do believe in holistic healing and in faith healers. There's a saying "A sad soul can kill you quicker, far quicker, than a germ." by John Steinbeck. Dr. Mercola also suggests EFT or the emotional freedom therapy like a needle less acupuncture to heal even chronic diseases. I just feel too sorry that I didn't help them before if only I knew these things at that time.

[Mato Kinze]

It's not so much about the recipient of the curse or hex as it is about the person who sends it.

Let's face it; in more "modern" or "westernized" societies, there are fewer people who believe that a person has the ability to influence another person with anything other than physical or direct emotional/psychological attachment or contact. Therefor, there are FAR fewer people who will undertake the time and energy comitment it requires to build the personal power and skill required to do so.

If you grow up in a culture that values westernized medicine over spiritual or energetic healing, you will likely learn about the mechanical functions of the body and consider the "other stuff" silly superstition.

However, if you grow up in a culture that values and recognizes the inherent power of spiritual or energetic interference, then you will be more likely to explore that option yourself.

That is why there are more practioners of spirit/energetic healing (and it's darker side; curses) in more indigenous cultures. It is not that they are more "backwards" as the "scientists" would have it, it's just that they are more in tune with a different source of human experience. They practice what has been practiced for literally as long as Humans have been sentient versus the practices that have only evolved in the last few thousand years.

[JSB]

Elucidate, Mato Kinze, thanks for your insights.

[arkimote06]

mato kinze that was so intelligent point of view...
@elucidate sometimes they don't need any possessions...an actual presence or just staring makes one sick. I experienced this before more of psychic attack especially i'm so near to that person and I'm not that strong enough before to fight back.

[arkimote06]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

It's not so much about the recipient of the curse or hex as it is about the person who sends it.

Let's face it; in more "modern" or "westernized" societies, there are fewer people who believe that a person has the ability to influence another person with anything other than physical or direct emotional/psychological attachment or contact. Therefor, there are FAR fewer people who will undertake the time and energy comitment it requires to build the personal power and skill required to do so.

If you grow up in a culture that values westernized medicine over spiritual or energetic healing, you will likely learn about the mechanical functions of the body and consider the "other stuff" silly superstition.

However, if you grow up in a culture that values and recognizes the inherent power of spiritual or energetic interference, then you will be more likely to explore that option yourself.

That is why there are more practioners of spirit/energetic healing (and it's darker side; curses) in more indigenous cultures. It is not that they are more "backwards" as the "scientists" would have it, it's just that they are more in tune with a different source of human experience. They practice what has been practiced for literally as long as Humans have been sentient versus the practices that have only evolved in the last few thousand years.

yeah i couldn't imagine someone is so sadist to do these things even to their own blood. They say blood is thicker than water but hatred is heavier. I also can relate to Irisha's story but that's too much and abusive. I remember when I was a child I was so fascinated to these kind of things. I have a very close friend then. I even consider him as best friend. I told him where is his talent coming from. I thought he's telling lies. I beg him to teach me how to do that. He can read one's soul about future and past life (if you believe in reincarnation) etc. Then after that he moved away. I never seen him again. He just performed the some thing like a wave of hand on me I really could not remember. But for me it's just like children playing or he's just kidding and I'm not taking it seriously. Then year after year I'm becoming like Joseph the Dreamer (Bible)etc. I wonder if my talent is innate or he has something to do about it. He told me about different chapters in my life past and future and I was about on facing all of that chapters now I'm in adulthood very much the same as Irisha's but no attack or hurting.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by arkimote06

mato kinze that was so intelligent point of view...
@elucidate sometimes they don't need any possessions...an actual presence or just staring makes one sick. I experienced this before more of psychic attack especially i'm so near to that person and I'm not that strong enough before to fight back.

Well, I haven't heard that before. I would imagine a person that could make someone sick just by looking at them would have to be a highly trained adept in sorcery.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I would imagine a person that could make someone sick just by looking at them would have to be a highly trained adept in sorcery.

...or have a very strong natural gift. There are many stories of "natural healers" who from a very young age and with no specialized training at all who have the ability to heal.

The same is true of the darker, flip-side of that coin. Many people have been "known" to have a special gift for causing harm to those who angered or crossed them. They used to get burned at the stake, though - at least in Western cultures.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

...or have a very strong natural gift. There are many stories of "natural healers" who from a very young age and with no specialized training at all who have the ability to heal.

The same is true of the darker, flip-side of that coin. Many people have been "known" to have a special gift for causing harm to those who angered or crossed them. They used to get burned at the stake, though - at least in Western cultures.

yes, I understand this. But just by looking at the person? or just being in their presence?

I know that energy comes out of our eyes, and so if the will of the witch or sorcerer is to do harm then that dark energy can come out their eyes and literally project at the target. I've just not heard of many people who were that gifted.

I'm sure many people can cause harm to those who cross them, and this doesn't require a curse, they do it physically. I've just not heard of too many cases of real curses, that's all. Plenty of bullshitters just playing on the fear factor though...I've experienced that myself.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by elucidate

yes, I understand this. But just by looking at the person? or just being in their presence?

I know that energy comes out of our eyes, and so if the will of the witch or sorcerer is to do harm then that dark energy can come out their eyes and literally project at the target. I've just not heard of many people who were that gifted.

I'm sure many people can cause harm to those who cross them, and this doesn't require a curse, they do it physically. I've just not heard of too many cases of real curses, that's all. Plenty of bullshitters just playing on the fear factor though...I've experienced that myself.

Nah. Energy doesn't come out of the eyes. It comes out of the Spirit - or rather is directed by the Intent of the individual. The focus of that Intent determines its power to harm or heal.

I don't have to see you to heal you. Rather, I don't have to see you to call on the Power of The Creator to heal you. I can do that through Prayer knowing nothing about you.

Guess what... same for if I wanted to hurt you.

If I see you, or if I touch you, then sure, it helps my focus. If I take a lock of your hair and perform some ritual, that enhances my focus. If I spend time with you, get to know you, get to know your family; if I sit in a Lodge with you and the Ancestors tell me about you, then all of that focuses my Intent. It clarifies it, makes it stronger, and therefore the Medicine I work is stronger. But none of that is necessary. It's just a bonus.

I'm glad you haven't heard of a lot of real curses. That's a good thing. Keep moving in the circles you are moving in and hopefully that will not change.

[elucidate]

Yes, energy and intent come from Spirit, but I have to disagree with you when you say that energy does not come out of the eyes.

I've been very aware for a long time that this is the reason I felt my energy drained when I was addicted to the television.

Staring at the screen, I noticed one day and felt my energy coming out my eyes, and channeled into the idiot box...which was when I turned it off and it stayed off!

In a very real way, energy does come out of the eyes...at least, that is an insight I have had about it...and a female friend I know said the same thing one day, without me prompting the conversation or mentioning that I thought the same thing. it was interesting.

Anyhow, I don't doubt that what you say is true also, infact I know it to be so, and I am aware of the way personal 'bits' like hair and nail clippings can be used for healing or ill intent...it's all in the intent of the magician.

That is why I don't believe in the modern day terms "White witches" and "Black witches", since we all contain the potential for our intent to go either way, as humans. A witch is both really, dark and light.

It is the choice of the witch which way she/he will go with it ultimately...and face the consequences if that choice is to harm.

Oh, and thank you for your best wishes there. I'm glad I don't come across it too much either...though I have been on the receiving end at least once...but it all turned out well...maybe not for the curser though(;

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

Nah. Energy doesn't come out of the eyes. It comes out of the Spirit - or rather is directed by the Intent of the individual. The focus of that Intent determines its power to harm or heal.

I don't have to see you to heal you. Rather, I don't have to see you to call on the Power of The Creator to heal you. I can do that through Prayer knowing nothing about you.

Guess what... same for if I wanted to hurt you.

If I see you, or if I touch you, then sure, it helps my focus. If I take a lock of your hair and perform some ritual, that enhances my focus. If I spend time with you, get to know you, get to know your family; if I sit in a Lodge with you and the Ancestors tell me about you, then all of that focuses my Intent. It clarifies it, makes it stronger, and therefore the Medicine I work is stronger. But none of that is necessary. It's just a bonus.

I'm glad you haven't heard of a lot of real curses. That's a good thing. Keep moving in the circles you are moving in and hopefully that will not change.

[arkimote06]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Well, I haven't heard that before. I would imagine a person that could make someone sick just by looking at them would have to be a highly trained adept in sorcery.

or just innate ability like a talent without noticing...my father and my relatives can do that...sometimes they can make a tree die...they say pregnant women are more powerful in this state too...is there any story you hear about this in pregnant women?

[arkimote06]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

Nah. Energy doesn't come out of the eyes. It comes out of the Spirit - or rather is directed by the Intent of the individual. The focus of that Intent determines its power to harm or heal.

I don't have to see you to heal you. Rather, I don't have to see you to call on the Power of The Creator to heal you. I can do that through Prayer knowing nothing about you.

Guess what... same for if I wanted to hurt you.

If I see you, or if I touch you, then sure, it helps my focus. If I take a lock of your hair and perform some ritual, that enhances my focus. If I spend time with you, get to know you, get to know your family; if I sit in a Lodge with you and the Ancestors tell me about you, then all of that focuses my Intent. It clarifies it, makes it stronger, and therefore the Medicine I work is stronger. But none of that is necessary. It's just a bonus.

I'm glad you haven't heard of a lot of real curses. That's a good thing. Keep moving in the circles you are moving in and hopefully that will not change.

i know you can heal but what if you don't know the sickness of the person you're not seeing can you diagnose it?

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by arkimote06

i know you can heal but what if you don't know the sickness of the person you're not seeing can you diagnose it?

"I" can't. But "I" don't need to. "I" am not the one doing the Healing. I am simply a conduit for the Power of The Creator and the Ancestors.

I am a better conduit if I can help focus the Intent of the Healing in a specific way, but it's not necessary. <I'm being shown a garden hose right now.>

If you hook a garden hose up and turn on the water, you can kind of splash the water around in the general area you want it. But if you put you thumb over the end of the hose, you can get a good spray. If you're talented with your thumb, you can get a high-pressure stream that is very directable. If you add a mechanical nozzle to the end of the hose, you can pretty much do whatever you want.

Knowing your "patient" is like putting your thumb over the end of the hose. The more you know, the more talented your thumb. Performing ritual on top of this is like adding a mechanical nozzle.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by arkimote06

or just innate ability like a talent without noticing...my father and my relatives can do that...sometimes they can make a tree die...they say pregnant women are more powerful in this state too...is there any story you hear about this in pregnant women?

Well, I have never heard of people who are that powerful...and you live with them?

That's fascinating!

As for the pregnant women stories...not really, though I'd imagine they would be revered for their innate power to give and nurture Life. A woman might be at her peak of magical power whilst pregnant?

[Richful]

I've learned specific Chi Kung exercises to project Chi from eyes, it is one of several "points" on the body that you learn over time to use as conduits for energy. Unlike Mato's description it is not from a divine source, it's drawn in from the air and food into your own "battery" for use. I've only been taught personal healing methods, I understand it can be used for harm after much much training and enhancing Kung Fu prowess not "energy projection".

Course that is my eastern way... my western way says exactly what Mato said.

@Mato: Your garden hose description is great Exactly how I describe electricity to the uninitiated.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Richful

I've learned specific Chi Kung exercises to project Chi from eyes, it is one of several "points" on the body that you learn over time to use as conduits for energy. Unlike Mato's description it is not from a divine source, it's drawn in from the air and food into your own "battery" for use. I've only been taught personal healing methods, I understand it can be used for harm after much much training and enhancing Kung Fu prowess not "energy projection".

Course that is my eastern way... my western way says exactly what Mato said.

@Mato: Your garden hose description is great Exactly how I describe electricity to the uninitiated.

Yes, I may have neglected to add that important distinction. Thanks

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Richful

I've learned specific Chi Kung exercises to project Chi from eyes, it is one of several "points" on the body that you learn over time to use as conduits for energy. Unlike Mato's description it is not from a divine source, it's drawn in from the air and food into your own "battery" for use. I've only been taught personal healing methods, I understand it can be used for harm after much much training and enhancing Kung Fu prowess not "energy projection".

Course that is my eastern way... my western way says exactly what Mato said.

@Mato: Your garden hose description is great Exactly how I describe electricity to the uninitiated.

And what is the origin of the Chi you take in and store? The food and air themselves are meaningless without the actual energy which they represent in material form. That energy is a contiguous force - what some call "Source", yes? I don't think we're really saying anything different. Maybe just using different words to attempt to describe the same indescribable concept.

[MasterRishi]

Originally Posted by elucidate

yes, I understand this. But just by looking at the person? or just being in their presence?

I know that energy comes out of our eyes, and so if the will of the witch or sorcerer is to do harm then that dark energy can come out their eyes and literally project at the target. I've just not heard of many people who were that gifted.

I'm sure many people can cause harm to those who cross them, and this doesn't require a curse, they do it physically. I've just not heard of too many cases of real curses, that's all. Plenty of bullshitters just playing on the fear factor though...I've experienced that myself.

There are those that can cause you great physical distress without even having to look at you. All they need is some way to mentally tap into your energy and they are able to manipulate it according to their will. An adept will find this quite easy, and often it happens without their knowledge. Imagine a child adept who gets picked on and beat up at school. All they have to do is think an angry thought towards the person and suddenly they manifest symptoms. This happens fairly regularly. Now when these people grow up and choose to fine-tune their ability, they can do all kinds of things with it. Some realize the harm they've caused to others and vow never to harm someone again, others derive power from it and pursue it further.

As far as the source of the energy, you're both right. It comes from the eyes and the soul. It also comes through the hands and the feet, the sacrum and the crown, all 7 major chakras, the 49 minor chakra, each nadi (an energy center that exists at each of our joints, "mini chakras" if you will). The primal source is the soul, the connection to the source of all that is. Where you express it from there is up to you. Many will use the eyes as a powerful source of amplification, but the same can be done using only the mind. In this case, the eyes are just a tool, like hands are a tool for reiki. We all have the power to do these things and so much more, it's just a question of how much we realize we are capable of and how grand we can imagine ourselves.

Always remember, as above so below. There is balance in all things. For every person that is able to stand in front of a crowd of thousands and give deeksha (healing through the eyes) to every person at once, so too is there someone who can cause pain in the same way. Spiritual people usually want to think of only the high vibrational energies, and generally that's a great thing, but it can also be dangerous to be so naive as to believe that the other end of the spectrum doesn't also exist.

[arkimote06]

there is also an interesting book about psychic vampires...haven't read it yet....it states all techniques how to parasite energy...i sometimes feel drained too when in an old place but sometimes i feel energized like i absorbed the energy of the crowd around me