intuition and gambling

[rei]

Curious to hear perspectives on this topic. Do you feel there are ethical guidelines regarding intuition and gambling? Or would such guidelines be simple human projection? Is it a matter of what you believe is what occurs for this issue or would there be an "objective" cosmic/karmic/ethical stance?

Erin, I am thinking since you live in Vegas your perspective could be especially valuable. Interested in a variety of responses as well.

If we are talking a casino that would be paying you when you win via intuition, rather than an individual, is it true that morality around this issue would be a values projection or simply a case of expressing your own subjective reality based on your beliefs? When it comes to the idea that winning money through intuition is "wrong," - is that really just a potential limiting belief perhaps passed down through paganism? Do you feel there is a difference between winning from a professional facility like a casino and winning from an individual or non-professional group?

Your thoughts?

[Nimue]

I only do such stuff when I'm playing backgammon (real, not online)...and I see that many good players do the same, consciously or not, when they really get into the game. It gets kinda surreal after some point, with us getting doubles all the time or numbers of our choice, or guessing what's gonna appear next...

Personally, I find that thinking about profit throws the proccess off balance, for example when I try choosing in what game to let the opponent win it helps my general odds to get the dice I want.

[ellie]

Originally Posted by Nimue

I only do such stuff when I'm playing backgammon (real, not online)...and I see that many good players do the same, consciously or not, when they really get into the game. It gets kinda surreal after some point, with us getting doubles all the time or numbers of our choice, or guessing what's gonna appear next...

Personally, I find that thinking about profit throws the proccess off balance, for example when I try choosing in what game to let the opponent win it helps my general odds to get the dice I want.

Allison DuBois, was in Australia recently and she said that she has used her psychic ability to win at the casinos.

[rei]

Thanks, Nimue.

I would agree this can often be a side effect of "flow" in various competitive efforts.

Interesting you find thinking about profit throws it off.

I guess I will add that I raise this question after hitting a *serious* roll in roulette. It was my first time playing and I was letting my intuition guide my betting. (I can tap into what is about to pass ... very immediate future ... though it tends to get muddy very far into the timeline.)

I did not feel wrong about doing this as it was for fun (and also a little kid-like curiosity to see if it would work) but I was seriously considering doing this on a quasi-regular basis to supplement my income, since it worked that well.

[rei]

Originally Posted by ellie

Allison DuBois, was in Australia recently and she said that she has used her psychic ability to win at the casinos.

Ah that is very interesting. Thank you for the info!

[Erin Pavlina]

I picked a winning horse once using my intuitive abilities. Unfortunately I didn't place my bet properly because I didn't understand how that worked and ended up winning 20 but losing 19, so came out with a buck. Never did it again.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by erin pavlina

i picked a winning horse once using my intuitive abilities. Unfortunately i didn't place my bet properly because i didn't understand how that worked and ended up winning 20 but losing 19, so came out with a buck. Never did it again.

haha

[rei]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

I picked a winning horse once using my intuitive abilities. Unfortunately I didn't place my bet properly because I didn't understand how that worked and ended up winning 20 but losing 19, so came out with a buck. Never did it again.

Heh So you don't find any appeal in taking your ability to the craps tables or something like that? (I suppose you are pretty set anyway though ) If you do decide to play with it I suggest keeping it to very short sessions since so much energy goes into that kind of thing. I started losing because I needed to rest. Good lesson for the possible future.

[Erin Pavlina]

Nah, haven't really used it gambling. But you might find this story amusing.

A Gift From Bob

[rei]

Ha, Erin that was awesome! Too cool

Hmm that story got my gears turning a bit. Thanks for that.

[t4488]

I don't have an ethical issue with it. I view it as another sense, ie. a sixth sense. I view it as no different than using your sight or hearing to gamble. I believe after an intial run of "beginner's luck" people usually sabotage their efforts for a while. Their can be a long and expensive period getting over that.

[rei]

Thanks for sharing your perspective, t4488. It does seem there are various ways to view something like this. I believe I experienced a bit of beginner's luck later that night but in the beginning it was all about intuitional selection with a bit of applied kinesiology.

[danas]

I recently went to the casino with a family member.
We were at a hotel, I didnt gamble but he was pretty serious about gambling.
So I was just sitting next to him at the roulette.
The roulette started turning. I said 14. he put a bunch of tokens on another number. Again I said 14. but he didnt listen, then I nearly shouted: quick put it on 14! but he didnt. and of course it was 14...

Then he put it on black. I said red! he lost again. In the end he was pretty pissed off at me. and told me to shut up
Later he came to me and said how the hell did you do that??

I said Ive been weight lifting my intuition and when you do, it becomes better.

I really do believe this. Especially when you dont put pressure on yourself to win. Also if I did play in a casino, I would always give a tip from my earnings to the dealer. Giving away a % always ensures more will come in, its a kind of circulation. Thats how I see it anyway.

[relaXman]

No one wins in gambling.

You can win once, but it easilly transforms to addiction.

[Nimue]

So true, relaxman...

I have a cousin who has an unbelievable intuition in games...at Christmas we gamble for fun with Monopoly money, and he squeezes the cash out of the whole family
I'm curious if one year in the forums has improved me at that too

[rei]

Originally Posted by danas

I recently went to the casino with a family member.
We were at a hotel, I didnt gamble but he was pretty serious about gambling.
So I was just sitting next to him at the roulette.
The roulette started turning. I said 14. he put a bunch of tokens on another number. Again I said 14. but he didnt listen, then I nearly shouted: quick put it on 14! but he didnt. and of course it was 14...

Then he put it on black. I said red! he lost again. In the end he was pretty pissed off at me. and told me to shut up
Later he came to me and said how the hell did you do that??

I said Ive been weight lifting my intuition and when you do, it becomes better.

I really do believe this. Especially when you dont put pressure on yourself to win. Also if I did play in a casino, I would always give a tip from my earnings to the dealer. Giving away a % always ensures more will come in, its a kind of circulation. Thats how I see it anyway.

Fun story! Nice that you were on like that even if your family member didn't listen to you. Wonder if he will be more inclined to listen next time

I was winning enough to draw a small crowd (and to secretly wonder if the floor manager would think I was cheating somehow... though at roulette not sure that is doable for players??). I handled this by randomly finding moments to mention it was my first time playing any table games (truth). And working in talk of my day job.

I was not trying for any of the specific numbers... I did tip several dealers and I agree there is an abundance-gratitude vibe in doing so. I would also agree that a sense of pressure would interfere. Like I said upthread I tried this out to have fun and to see if I could successfully apply my ability to it.

At one point another player actually said there was a psychic at the table, heh.

Originally Posted by relaXman

No one wins in gambling.

You can win once, but it easilly transforms to addiction.

So I hear. It is also pretty easy to create strong barriers to spending more than you set out to spend in the first place. Like don't bring any plastic with you.

And well, I am not really looking at doing this to gamble so much as 30 minutes of intuitional betting and then leaving. Does not have the same vibe as "gambling" per se as there is less risk when you have a sense of where it will hit.

I do know how much it can spiral for people.

[danas]

The thing is I think every single person in a casino, or at least playing a chance game like roulette, where guessing is involved, is trying to use their intuition.

Isnt that what guessing is? Using your intuition...?

Some people are naturally more intuitive then others.
Thats why Im not sure I understand your question about whether its ethical.
YThe casino invites people to come and try to win by using your intuition.

But in any case I think the casino, or any kind of gambling place is not that strong on being ethical in the first place (the odds are always against the players), so I wouldnt worry about that

I love your avatar BTW!

[rei]

Heh that is an interesting perspective. I think in a lot of cases that is exactly what it is. Some people take a different tactic I suppose. I mean yeah I would say in many cases it is the same and it's a matter of whether you do it consciously/purposefully.

As for the question. I guess I mean it less about the facility itself (you're right they are not so focused on being ethical). And more in a cosmic/karmic sense. You know like pagans and witches who have natural gifts are not supposed to use them for personal gain. "Harming none, do what thou wilt." But I guess it doesn't really hurt the casino.

And I was just wondering you know, like a professional boxer isn't allowed to use his skills outside the ring. If he gets into a bar fight he can get charged extra because of his professional skills. And I was just thinking, if I am a professional intuitive, do different rules apply? Or is it more like the rules are based on individual belief.

And thank you! I had a blast in that situation

[Dan Adrian]

I also think most people who gamble try to use their intuition. I know I did.

In any case, if you do this, maybe you should try wining big in a single night, since the casino could decide to ban you in the future if they realize what you're doing. After all, who would want someone with highly-honed intuitive abilities running around their casino wining all the time, right?

[Nimue]

There was a team of MIT students who used their super-brains to count cards and calculate possibilities. No real cheating, just using their abilities. They won one hell of money. Took them some time before they were thrown out, so no worries! As you said everyone tries using as much intuition as possible in these games, so opponents are more worrisome than the cazino itself.

[rei]

Originally Posted by Dan Adrian

I also think most people who gamble try to use their intuition. I know I did.

In any case, if you do this, maybe you should try wining big in a single night, since the casino could decide to ban you in the future if they realize what you're doing. After all, who would want someone with highly-honed intuitive abilities running around their casino wining all the time, right?

Thanks, Dan. Honestly when I played before I was worried they would make me stop. But it seems they would need to lose way more than I would try to win (?). Plus I think most people are not inclined to accept that intuition is consciously accessible. While there is a chance the floor manager believes this it is probably less likely.

I think I may go forward with it, once every month or two, leaving before I draw too much attention. Perhaps I can also intend for the opportunity for other players to benefit from this application of intuition. As well as tipping the dealers to give thanks.

I do plan to reflect and pray about it more before I make the decision. So far I have gotten green lights about it. Like God or the universe agrees that I deserve abundance and enjoys the childlike playfulness energy I feel around this potential.

Thanks again!

[Midnite]

Wow...
I started gambling on my 18th birthday; most my friends went to clubs/bars/stripclubs/dinner/house parties... I went to the casino! I walked straight up to the Roulette tables. I am just soo drawn to the game.. I don't really like playing anything else.

Placed 4 bets on the $2.50 table, and hit straight-up numbers 4 times in a row. Over the next 3 years I would sit there, tune into the dealer, tune into the ball, tune into the game and predict numbers. I would win 8 times out of 10.

I started working for a company a few years later, on about $150 per day. Could you possibly imagine what I was thinking when I had to sit at work for 9+ hours for $150, where I could easily walk into the casino and triple that sum in 20 mins of "go-time".

My reason for quitting gambling the 1st time (I have tried quitting up to 5 times now): Standing at the bar, drinking sparkling mineral water; as alcohol affects my perception, I noticed something white along the floor. My friends standing next to me completely oblivious for what was about to transpire. I saw a white corpse on the floor, as if it was paralyzed from the waist down, crawling on its forearms towards me. I looked up at my friends and it was as if time itself stopped, and all that existed was this terror ridgidly crawling. I was frozen solid, until it stopped right in front of me, looked up at me with its white face and straggly hair, where his eyes should have been were instead hollow black caves, and reached out and grasped my leg with all its might!

I shouted out "Holy $h!t". Where suddenly the trance ended. And all appeared normal.
Later I found out there are a number of untold suicides in the casino rooms upstairs.

I can attribute much of my current 'ability' to sitting in the casino, day after day, refining my skills in the devils' playground.

Nothing will ever let me forget the grip of its bone-white hands upon my leg...

[AngelPsychic444]

There's a book called "Practical Intuition" by Laura Day and in this book there's a chapter on how to win, using your intuition, at the horse races. Laura says she always does well when she bets on the horses. She also gives you the technique she uses, so you can try it yourself, the technique works, I've won some money at the horse races using it!

I have no problem with gambling and intuition, I say if you're intuitive enough... you should go for it!

[Frankmat]

WOW... talk about a coincidence... I just happened to be in a shop this afternoon and chatted to the local tarot reader there as I usually do... we actually go onto this topic of playing poker and using our ability... she told me I would be a very good poker player.... and I told her I was! but never really play much anymore.

Anyway it so happens that her brother is a well known poker player on the World Poker Tour and is psychic himself and uses his intuition to win... so I thought I would have a bit of a play and came home now and actually downloaded the software to play some poker online... whilst waiting for it to download something made me check this forum... and wouldn't you know it! The first thread at the top of the page is about exactly this!

No such thing as a coincidence hey!

[Alstar]

I have inadvertently used LOA/intuition for gambling success and I was amazed at how quickly it worked. It's the main reason I put stock in the LOA mechanics because I could see it right there in front of me in real time.

[positive thinker]

Hello,

REI, hows the intuitive gambling coming along?

I'm glad to see a subject on intuitive gambling. First I would like to give my opinion on the morality of psychic gambling, and then the blocks that i have found. I believe when we put our knowledge and energy together we can help each other!

Is it moral? God gives us all gifts, and with the right breaks the richest among us both financially and emotionally use their gifts to earn a living. Should a person with a gift use that gift to gain abundance? Why the heck not? And as for the casinos, they steal millions if not billions on a daily basis, by using intuition to win you are simply evening out the playing field. How much of their take do they give to charity? How much of your take will you give to charity? I believe the average joe would do much better things with winnings than any casino.

Psychic gambling doesn't fail because it's evil, some of us don't succeed because there are blocks.

My game of choice is baccarat, I can call out winners 10+ times in a row, but as soon as I lay money I miss! Why? Intuition blocks.

1 - Money changes my thinking pattern and adds a certain level of stress to my mood. How do I overcome that? I don't know.

2 - If i am betting and lose one...I seem to lose my confidence and start going down hill fast.

3 - In the short term, I can pick 'em right. However, the luck or intuition breaks down. My solution to this is to bet few hands.

4 - Confidence is a tricky piece of the puzzle. Too little confidence is a sure loser, while too much confidence is more of a sure loser.

Overall I think that practice, much much practice is the key.

Have any of you had these blocks? And if so, what do you do to overcome them?

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

[Barcs]

I don't see any moral issues with gambling at all. Afterall, the casinos make millions up on millions everyday, by giving people a chance to "get lucky", with the odds against them. If a person goes in there and uses his intuition to make money, then that's karma coming back and hitting these companies in the face. You aren't hurting anybody by doing that, especially when these companies prey on people to get addicted and lose their life savings to them. People have this misconstrued idea that making extra money is wrong, but it certainly is not. It's how you use the money that counts. If you are trying to make money for unethical purposes you probably will not win, in my opinion. I'm still learning to use my intuition, and oddly enough it seems to always work when nothing is on the line, but when there's that extra pressure of money, I feel it changes my train of thought and screws me up every time. I probably need to learn to treat these situations the same, because it may be my fear of losing money that actually is making me lose.

[positive thinker]

Originally Posted by Barcs

oddly enough it seems to always work when nothing is on the line, but when there's that extra pressure of money, I feel it changes my train of thought and screws me up every time. I probably need to learn to treat these situations the same, because it may be my fear of losing money that actually is making me lose.

When you learn how, please enlighten me. :0)

[PrjW]

HI everyone, i was surfing the net on about to develop a smarter brain and come across this site...

[PrjW]

i have tried a few method on how to get lucky or be very lucky when playing casino game....i started by observing how people play in the casino....and how often they win and loss...i found out most of the time they starting winning, no matter big or little..then they will start to loss.. does anyone got similar experience?