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12-02-2010, 03:16 PM
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  |  The Christmas Industry
Any industry needs to create demand for itself; it's how we got the Military Industrial Complex, whose motto might be "Creating World Peace", but the industry is dead without conflict. So, too, is the Christmas Industry. We can view the actual Christmas Tree as our pineal gland. Yeah, let's coat that sucker with calcium, sugar and tinsel. Then there are FLOCKED trees. |
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12-02-2010, 04:25 PM
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There was a santa claus in the entrance of "El Corte Inglés", the biggest, most soulless super-shop in Barcelona. He greeted us with what I will translate as a "Ho ho ho" and I replied with an evil, megalomaniacal guffaw. You can't believe how satisfying that was  |
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12-02-2010, 05:41 PM
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12-02-2010, 05:44 PM
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I know, Andrew. Most of those plastic Santas are quite disturbing. I wish St.Nicolas and other local folclore figures had remained in their place-Red Santa is an invention of Coca Cola. Years ago, we used to decorate wooden ships or tree branches with homemade things, like walnuts in painted aluminium foil and hanging cookies. And had one well-selected, though not nessecarily expensive, gift in every kid's sock. Now we have christmas shops 2 months before, 1 month before they're all over the place, and everyone spends the hell out of their bank account for the whole setup... If Jesus sees that he must be extremely disappointed, really... Last edited by Nimue; 12-02-2010 at 05:47 PM. |
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12-03-2010, 11:19 PM
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Christmas is a mixed bag of dysfunction, made acceptable by advertising and norm-setting. I avoid Christmas. I'm not sorry for little toys who don't have a home; have you been down the toy aisle lately? All military-industrial-complex destruction. Does Santa bring them or Jesus? A confused child probably wants to know. There is an entire PINK aisle at Waldo-Mart, nothing but Barbie and the industrial demand for the female to be where she's told. Oh no, you can HAVE Christmas. I have a chance to get one of those plastic, dancing Santas for $20. They're $125. new, and stand about four feet tall. I'm gonna get it and fidget with the recording system. I'll get it to sing "I saw what you did this year/ you ain't gettin' S!HT" all the while it'll be twisting and bouncing, "YOU AIN'T GETTIN' S!HT!" I'll video tape that and put it on YouTube. Last edited by royster; 12-03-2010 at 11:24 PM. |
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12-03-2010, 11:41 PM
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And (God bless 'em....hopefully)-those people who burn literally hundreds of thousands of kilowat hours lighting up the facades of their houses with neon Santas, reindeer, sleighs, and flashing red green white blue twinkling thingybobs that go on and on and on from at least the first of December (?) until January 6th I'm quite amazed actually that the fronts of those houses don't collapse under the strain. And aren't we kind of supposed to be thinking "let's not annihilate the planet" ? Two candles...strategically placed.....are enough for me.... HO HO HO |
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12-04-2010, 07:06 PM
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In this economy, Christmas dosent represent family, joy, happy memories or the birth of Christ anymore, it represents a greedy mass market and a constant reminder that family and traditions mean nothing without spending a small fortune on bigger, better, more expensive gifts...
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12-05-2010, 09:29 PM
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We are bombarded with TV commercials that tell us the only way to have a really happy Christmas (like those shown in the commercials are having) is to spend spend spend on mountains of food, drink and gifts - if you don't spend spend spend your Christmas will be dull and miserable. I believe Christmas can be enjoyed without going 'overboard' on spending but commercialism and the industry of greed would have us believe otherwise. | |
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12-05-2010, 09:51 PM
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Here in my neighborhood they started the Chistmas market last week. Food stands, stands with people selling all kinds of Christmas stuff. Most of the things they sell they made themselves. With the money they earn they can sign their kids in again in school. Or buy them presents for Christmas. At the same time, they all know each other, and they all enjoy standing there. There is a sense of community. If one stand owner isn't there for whatever reason, the others cover his/her stand. Nobody steals from each other. If you are so unsatisfied with the Christmas stuff in Wallmart and other malls, I suggest you don't go there anymore. But that is no reason to stop loving Christmas....  |
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12-05-2010, 11:45 PM
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I was reading on my favorite blog a while ago about celebrating Christmas with ritual combat. I think that I just might be up for that if my friends are. The trouble is that I live in a different hemisphere than the old-timey pagans who had this celebration so I don't know if the Holly King should win the fight (seasonally appropriate) or the Oak King (traditional). Hi ho.
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12-06-2010, 12:17 AM
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I DO love Christmas. I am very fond of it both for its mid-winter pagan (Yuletide) aspects, and its Christian aspects. And as so many of the Christmas traditions that we all do year after year, are actually Yuletide traditions, we can't throw out the pagans on this one. | |
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12-06-2010, 01:03 AM
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When I was young, maybe 4 or 5, I asked my Dad if santa was real. He said that the figure whose image is familiar may or may not be related to the original individual, but that the concept of santa claus represents the idea of giving unselfishly to others to spread joy and happiness. You can imagine how this explanation went over with a young child. Like a lead balloon. However, the seed was planted, the cold spot consciousness process occurred and years later I realized what he meant. That being said, since my mother is not American and there is no Christmas in Vietnam, it was always a hokey kind of caricature of a holiday to me. Very surreal. Because we didn't have family traditions to carry on or anything, it was improvised by my parents. My Dad being the type of guy that he was, he wasn't all that interested in anything beyond philosophizing in a dry and sarcastic manner, eating lavish meals (that would include roast turkey, ham, and traditional fixings, with weird additions like lasagna or kim chee and fried chicken or ratatouille), and giving ironic gifts. Also forcing the three daughters to play their instruments and sing christmas carols in harmony, and on command to company or for his own amusement. Nowadays I don't do much, really. I don't give or receive gifts intentionally. I get random gifts at some points, always a surprise, but I don't feel obligated to return the favor if it's not planned. I get my son gifts all the time at random intervals, wrapped and all that. I always say, who knows what'll happen by Christmas, I might be dead! Happy whatever day! Always eager to provide my son with therapy fodder. I like hanging the stocking stuffed with little special treats and amusements, though. Toddlers love that stuff. Cars! I like to do some kind of charitable act, because the inner judgemental vicar in my brain likes to feel morally superior, and because I feel guilty for no apparent reason at random intervals; at least I can call upon the memory of my temporary inconvenience to soothe the "middle class white kids with problems" attacks. Make food at the homeless shelter, bag groceries at Catholic Charities. That kind of thing. I like caroling, too. Weird! Last edited by Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi; 12-06-2010 at 01:06 AM. |
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12-06-2010, 02:31 AM
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12-06-2010, 03:04 AM
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Roy, you and all your snarky friends are cordially invited to my place on December 25th for an evening of lascivious 70's and 80's cinema like Caddyschack and Animal House, eggnog (which is mostly rum), and a foot rub chain. WARNING: you will be obligated to bring Nasty Santa and sign along with him as he spreads "cheer." See you at 7 PM. QB
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12-06-2010, 07:04 AM
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There are so many lovely traditions about christmas (you guys already posted few), why most people don't keep them??? Are we that brainwashed??? At least there are still things like the spontaneous christmas markets...not quite the non-consumptive thing, but still quite better than wallmart! |
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12-06-2010, 06:39 PM
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I think Christmas is a nifty little test of where you are with yourself. Christmas is a rather large complicated thing, so you can decide for yourself whether you want to see materialism and greed and wallow in your depressive cynicism, or you want to see a time of joy, happiness, and generosity. Is it a time to view all that's wrong with humanity, or a time to stop and ponder all that is right with humanity, and celebrate our capacity to have love and peace and good will toward our fellow people? When you walk by a manger scene, or a Santa, real or plastic, they ain't nothing but a big ole mirror showing you a bit of yourself. If you didn't like what you saw..... What Christmas is, is what you decide it to be for yourself. It isn't Wal-Mart, ToysRUs, your TV, or Jesus. It's all you. Peace. and HO HO HO!!! | |
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12-06-2010, 08:09 PM
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 But I absolutely and totally AGREE with what you wrote here!! For me, I'm definitely seeing the bold parts... In myself and in my fellow human being.
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12-07-2010, 12:41 AM
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I'm going to give some money to the dog shelter this Christmas. Strangely, they are still getting more dogs in over the holiday period than at any other time. If they haven't got money, they have to actually turn those unwanted dogs away! Some retards are abandoning their dogs because either ....they don't want the added expense at this time of year and would rather buy the kids a new playstation......or are still buying dogs as gifts, and two days later after a few inappropriate pees and poops, that confused doggy gets sent to the shelter! I wouldn't believe this kind of thing is still happening -but it is. The shelter managers know. |
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12-07-2010, 03:15 PM
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As each and every one of us was born into the Christmas conditioning process, few, I'm sure, can break ranks with it. For myself, I have found that accepting a little corruption in exchange for whatever valuable thing/experience may rest in the hands of that whole is unacceptable. And Christmas is full of unacceptable corruption. Also, the inconsistency of the Christmas mentality is unstable enough for me to reject wholesale. If anything, I have the "Christmas spirit" of giving, 365 days out of the year, as consistently as my life will allow. And of course, I work with the Christed consciousness, which needs no celebration by way of gluttony and greed. Sensitives can hear cut trees moaning in pain and despair; it isn't festive at all. There are millions of turkeys slaughtered for this "holiday", and certainly celebrating a Jew by eating ham seems a 'conflict of interest'. If you accept just a little corruption because everyone else does, I'd say you're living with corruption, period. It's the same reason I left Facebook; I can't change the outer corruption, but I can monitor what goes into ME. For those interested in thinking-conditioning roots, Christmas is what sets us up for '1984''s "double-think", reinforced yearly. To allow corruption through a channel of lax dismissal is to allow into yourself all you've fought to keep out the rest of the year. |
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12-07-2010, 07:22 PM
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You are comparing a holiday to CANCER?? I'm sorry, but you've lost me now... Christmas is what you make of it. If you don't like the big department stores stay out of them. You can celebrate Christmas any way you like... don't confuse the people celebrating a holiday (and how they do it) with the holiday itself. | |
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12-07-2010, 11:36 PM
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It does seem a terrible shame to slaughter millions of turkeys just to celebrate the birth of Jesus...... To harvest beautiful trees in their millions too, just to cut the tops off them.... To burn all that power just to put Santa and his entourage all over our houses.... To be more or less forced into mass consumerism on a large scale, just because our children will hate us if we don't give them the latest, expensive gizmos..... Yes, the shopping/crazy buying sprees don't have much to do with the sacred Solstice, or Birth of Jesus either. But all that said, I do so love Christmas. But I always celebrate it in a pretty simple way. It's all right for me, I can do that. I don't have anyone to answer to, not any more. I don't have to do any of the aforementioned things, and can have veggie burgers for Christmas dinner if the mood takes me.... (without anyone being horrified that I'm not "joining in") |
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12-09-2010, 02:36 PM
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What is cancer? It is the unregulated manufacture...industry...of dysfunctional cells, irrespective to the host's resources or well-being. But as I've said elsewhere, many folks will spring forth to defend their "belief" and fondness of Christmas, and that's their choice. I have learned that there is little chance of re-educating belief systems, as each of them is fatally flawed, and will eventually collapse under their own weight. One subtle change that has been allowed to take root, and no one seems to mind: "holiday" is rooted in "Holy day". I see nothing "holy" about the Christmas season, when compared to legitimate spiritual observations. Last edited by royster; 12-09-2010 at 02:39 PM. | |
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12-09-2010, 04:24 PM
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"Christmas is for children" ? What benefit? A confused, skewed reality, the facing of Santa being a lie, and the watering-down of the Christed? I think that's no benefit at all, but in fact an unnecessary encumbrance. If this planet was to do anything beneficial for children, it would start at birth, and acknowledge the child as an old soul...and treat him as such. We would allow a child to explore on their own terms that which they have insight for. As it is, "Attention Deficit Disorder" justifies medicating a body beyond any psychic maneuverability, which was the design. Dumb down the population, and every means to do so is underway. What is the difference between our society today and that of Noah's? Not very much. We should seriously consider what that snake in the Garden Of Eden was really after. It will come as no surprise that he wanted control of humanity, and has since found the means of doing so. A little corruption at a time. |
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