Very Disturbing Rise of These kind of People

[arkimote06]

I don't know what to think about...but today a voice just told me so to research and stop supporting them. It's really disturbing for example Beyonce's Listen in forward or normal language has a very direct message turning her back to goodness. And here's some article I've stumbled upon
Occult and Prophetic Messages in Rihanna's Umbrella | The Vigilant Citizen
I don't want to judge right away...but my instinct always suggests truth. There's always a reason why I felt this kind of wondering

[arkimote06]

weird...i'm having a hard time to post this thread...and to my surprise I can't connect to internet in this forum only...the other tabs are working properly. I'm also surprised that I have doubled post...how can I delete the other mirror post?

[moonrambler]

The site's running slow this morning, so you might have some trouble posting. It happens once in awhile.

[theuprising]

Originally Posted by arkimote06

I don't know what to think about...but today a voice just told me so to research and stop supporting them. It's really disturbing for example Beyonce's Listen in forward or normal language has a very direct message turning her back to goodness. And here's some article I've stumbled upon
Occult and Prophetic Messages in Rihanna's Umbrella | The Vigilant Citizen
I don't want to judge right away...but my instinct always suggests truth. There's always a reason why I felt this kind of wondering

the ONLY thing that puts an OUNCE of validity in that claim is the fact that rihanna's body MAY have been digitally altered to resemble the devil's face in that one FRAME. But I'm very slow to believe these types of things, remember stairway to heaven backwards, yeah complete bs from a guy who had too much time on his hands and played every record he had backwards.

EDIT: but what's more disturbing about all of this is why are there demons that invoke the name lucifer and talk about the bible, are these deluded satan worshippers, or, more frighteningly, is mainstream christianity real? (which would be ridiculous since it is quite literally the product of constantine's council of Nacae, and morphed with modern ideologies. Research some into the Historical Jesus, he seemed to have a very different message than the one relayed by the church. Remember the parable of the Camel's Eye? Really think about that one..)

And btw, apparently devil worship works and stuff, but how could that be true if there is no heaven and no hell? Or is the hindu's view true, that all ideologies are true because WE make astral planes for them to exist, and what we imagine to exist, exists.

[desertrat]

This site does run slow . When I click on the u-tube link on that site it comes up video unavailable , so I have not scene the video . If you can hear the words and dont need to play it back wards , I dont think any one is trying to hide any thing . I love rock so it is not something I would listen to any way . Two from other songs I never figured out are " if there is a russell in your hedge hog its just a springling for the bake queen " ( Led Zeplin , I think ) " one smell of colites " , ( Eagles , hotel Calf. ) Whats colites ? desert rat

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by desertrat

This site does run slow . When I click on the u-tube link on that site it comes up video unavailable , so I have not scene the video . If you can hear the words and dont need to play it back wards , I dont think any one is trying to hide any thing . I love rock so it is not something I would listen to any way . Two from other songs I never figured out are " if there is a russell in your hedge hog its just a springling for the bake queen " ( Led Zeplin , I think ) " one smell of colites " , ( Eagles , hotel Calf. ) Whats colites ? desert rat

"warm smell of colitas" = weed

Not so sure about the hedge hog

[Midniteshowers]

*" if there is a bustle in your hedrow
Don't be alarmed now
Its just a sprinkling
For the may queen"
~ Stairway to heaven

[supertom]

I actually found that site the other day. It was quite obvious to me when i saw the videoclip, I think a lot of music stars are actually dark, its easier to get into your head with music than anything else.

I dont mind i still like the song and similar songs.

[NDN Scholar]

Three 6 Mafia used to be satanic, though, back in the day, before they went mainstream. Used to call themselves "Triple 6 Mafia," and had some freaky lyrics over freaky beats. And this isn't even a conspiracy thing, it's for real; just check out their old songs from the 90's. Don't bother asking me how I know this, because I will not answer you.

Anyways, I'm just saying that stuff like this just can't be brushed aside all the time. The thought of it going on with Rihanna is pretty ridiculous, but it does happen with others...

[Tisha23]

if there is a russell in your hedge hog its just a springling for the bake queen "

No It doesn't say that it says.........


If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, dont be alarmed now, Its just a spring clean for the may queen.

That means if there is a disturbance in your life around you, dont worry, its just the clearing out of the old to make room for the new.


colitas is marijuana "Warm smell of colitas, rising up through the air"


I couldnt see the video because youtube took them down but I think its a matter of perception. If you take those words to be evil to you then they are evil. When I looked over them it represented the material world and its pull. How it can come into you and be evil. You could assume that the devil is calling to her and offering protection or god is it depends on your state of mind. Because we create both. Good girl gone bad indicates she chose the materialistic world. Being encased in chrome that she is now a prisoner of that world.

It depends on a person state of thinking how things are interpreted.


Tisha

[moonrambler]

Yes there are two paths you can go by
But in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on . . .

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Yes there are two paths you can go by
But in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on . . .

Tooty-tooty, tooty-tooty, tooty-toooooot...

[Jonathan Browne]

All rihanna is talking about in Good Girl Gone Bad is the rebellion from what is typically considered the "good girl". It's a rebellion from outdated values on a womans role in the world. Jayzs verse is just a really cleverly phased switch of the umbrella/raining imagery in that song. He's saying he's been smart enough to stack up money to get through any bad weather in the economy.

The part that person is interpreting as the devil coming into her or whatever, thats just insane. It's quite obvious it's a metaphor for two peoples relationship being the umbrella that they can stand under. They are the umbrella for each other in the case of rain or bad times. And yes it's also got a degree of a double entendre, its also a bit of a sexual metaphor at times.. I think it's quite paranoid and even perhaps shows an insane perverted sense of sexuality to say that in the video rihanna is being "Covered with the devils sperm".

What you have is very artistic directors of these music videos, who get paid a hell of a lot of money to make visually interesting and intriguing videos. They are very much abstract art. The great thing about abstract art is that it can be interpreted in thousands of ways.

I also thought it might be interesting to point out that wikipedia says rihanna has a tattoo which says "freedom in christ".

This sort of thing is one step away from insanity. That's how crazy events like the ugly betty actor who cut off his mother head with a sword happen.

[SheldonCooper]

You must always be careful with these things because some people out there are genius at manipulating.

For example, take a look at the analyisis of Jay-Z' verse. EVERYthing is being analyzed point by point, and correctly even. However, there is a point in which it completely jumps to the conclusion.

So Jay-Z lyrics have NOTHING to do with love, friendship or any type of relationship. His lyrics are saying that he is part of the “chosen”, the elite, the secret group that cannot be harmed by the trials and tribulations of the “small people”. Even if there’s a major crisis, he’s associated with the very people that make those crisis happen, so he won’t be affected. This group however bows down and worships evil. If Rihanna wants to be part of them, she has to do the same.

There is nothing in the analyisis of the lyrics that suggest any of this. Ok, the song is noy about friendship, but why should it be? To me it even seems like Jay-Z's verses might be critical of the "Rockafella".

Then they follow with this other conclusion that is completely not based off any analyisis:

Rihanna sings this part, but it is actually the Devil talking to Rihanna. He is “sweet-talking” her so she can accept the idea of the Devil entering her body.

Then they follow with a "translation". Note: They are not analyzing Rihanna's actual lyrics here, but a 'translation' of them (read: Tergiverzation)

They re-use the same schemes in the whole article.

It is presented as analyzing the lyrics. But in some parts even though it actually does analyize the lyrics, it gets conclusions that got nothing to do with them. In other parts, it begins by tergivizing the lyrics and then analyuzing the made-up tergiverzations... This article is not honest, and I dislike that music BTW...

[MasterRishi]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Yes there are two paths you can go by
But in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on . . .

Plant has admitted during a number of interviews when asked about the meaning of Stairway that he simply wrote the song with no intention of meaning. He just put together words and phrases that sounded good and had a rhyme scheme. That's not to say that stream-of-consciousness writing cant ultimately have meaning, but it's different for everyone who reads it.

Look at The Trees by Rush. Everyone thinks it's about political corruption and rebellion of the lesser masses. Peart wrote the song about a cartoon he saw once where trees acted like people.

I was told a story once about a poetry symposium where there was a panel of critics and literary scholars trying to interpret a poem about snow fall in winter, I think it was a Vonnegut poem, but that's neither here nor there. One scholar said he thought the snow falling represented the fall of mankind, another said the description of the winter and the snow surely meant that this person led a secluded life and preferred to stay by himself. Then someone in the audience stood up and said "I think it's just a poem about how much the poet enjoys the falling snow and the winter time." The panel was appalled by this person, they said "Who are you to think you know more than us, with our extensive combined literary knowledge?" The man simply said "Well, I'm the author of that poem."

I'm not trying to say that the individual meanings we apply to words that we hear are nullified, it's simply wiser for us not to assume the authors original intentions and instead admit that the meaning of a particular artistic work is determined solely by the person viewing it. Most artists get the biggest thrill from realizing that if 100 people hear, read or look at their work, there will be 100 unique interpretations of that work. In truth, it's a beautiful thing. That one line of poetry, or one verse in a song, even one stroke of paint on a canvas can evoke so many different emotions from different people. So it would seem that art, as an expression of emotion and feeling, is an entity of it's own, capable of communicating with each of us uniquely and individually.

Of course this is a bit off topic. I have to agree with Sheldon on this one. The webpage was pretty far from the mark all the way around, and as soon as the author jumps WAY off the deep end and starts frivolously suggesting that there is some underlying theme of demonic possession without any reference to a lyric that can back up the claim, one has to close the page and chalk it up to people with much too much time on their hands. I mean, saying that having her covered in gold paint inside a triangle in her video is EXACTLY representative of having the devils semen all over her. Wow, really stretching there. Perhaps... the triangle represents the Holy Trinity of the Christian religion and the gold is representative of being covered by God's glory and love. Why must people always turn to matters of evil and treachery when they're bored? Why not look for the love and beauty instead of the hate and disgust?

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by MasterRishi

I was told a story once about a poetry symposium where there was a panel of critics and literary scholars trying to interpret a poem about snow fall in winter, I think it was a Vonnegut poem, but that's neither here nor there. One scholar said he thought the snow falling represented the fall of mankind, another said the description of the winter and the snow surely meant that this person led a secluded life and preferred to stay by himself. Then someone in the audience stood up and said "I think it's just a poem about how much the poet enjoys the falling snow and the winter time." The panel was appalled by this person, they said "Who are you to think you know more than us, with our extensive combined literary knowledge?" The man simply said "Well, I'm the author of that poem."

This reminds me of the hundreds of essays trying to interpret Henry James' "The Turn of the Screw," with everything from Freudian analysis to Biblical symbolism, and James has said, "It's just a ghost story."

[Andras]

Taking sides (light versus darkness) is a personal choice. Actually, it is quite liberating to understand that the source of power for both sides are the same.
There is nothing wrong with it either way, it will have karmic consequences but most if not all entities are creations of the human mind, projections of the collective subconscious and they have no power over you unless you let them.
My very name is synonymous of a supposed demon, Andras -
Should that freak me out? Am I possessed, should I change my name?
As these negative forces are constructs of the collective subconscious they are as thought forms, very real but not other-worldly. The best way to defend against these dark forces is by avoiding them. This reminds me of the Apollonius of Tyanna quote, I hope you can use and find it helpful;
“Oh, Thou Sun, send me as far around the world as is my pleasure and yours; and may I make the acquaintance of good men but never hear anything of bad ones, nor they of me.”

Andras Nagy
Andras Nagy (Ancient Wisdom Publications)

[arkimote06]

the next subject is Lady Gaga's Alejandro...I just watched the music video for the first time after seeing my little brother browsing in youtube. I was shocked...It's almost porno and every symbols and her costumes is very satanic. I don't even understand the theme of the video has something to do with the lyrics. Who ever directs and conceptualizes these kind of videos have some similarities with other videos of various artists. Black and white, dances with topless men, almost pornographic choreo, one's carry symbolic objects etc.

Another thing I've noticed with these kind of songs. The structure of their music is very similar to a prayer or chant although a very ordinary song is also like a prayer or poem but it's easy to tell the difference like there's no direct sentence thought or independent clause. This is the reason why it's very attractive to people. It doesn't follow the conventional musical structure...they sound like they're provoking something.

She has also has a red upside down cross on her loin...while doing a s3x act thing at the top of the guy...that when you look at far away it looks like something is inserted inside her...not good for general audiences

[spacecadetglow]

Originally Posted by arkimote06

the next subject is Lady Gaga's Alejandro...I just watched the music video for the first time after seeing my little brother browsing in youtube. I was shocked...It's almost porno and every symbols and her costumes is very satanic. I don't even understand the theme of the video has something to do with the lyrics. Who ever directs and conceptualizes these kind of videos have some similarities with other videos of various artists. Black and white, dances with topless men, almost pornographic choreo, one's carry symbolic objects etc.

Another thing I've noticed with these kind of songs. The structure of their music is very similar to a prayer or chant although a very ordinary song is also like a prayer or poem but it's easy to tell the difference like there's no direct sentence thought or independent clause. This is the reason why it's very attractive to people. It doesn't follow the conventional musical structure...they sound like they're provoking something.

Wow, cool analysis.

The original article was a little far fetched, for me, and not very well written. But you are right that there is this pattern to pop music nowadays... fascinating.

[arkimote06]

not only that...they have different directors but all the music videos of various artists resembles the same theme....i don't know who conceptualized it but they're all alike

I also own hypnotism tapes and I must say contemporary music also resembles the same pattern to those hypnotic tapes...you can feel inside your head that something is swaying or swinging around your ears ie. play of right and left channel for stereo speakers and not to mention the dynamics...sounds like a cry or an ancient or tribal type of sounds...you know what I mean

[Richful]

Originally Posted by spacecadetglow

But you are right that there is this pattern to pop music nowadays... fascinating.

Dude I had a little chuckle about this sentence. Nowadays? There is always a pattern to pop music... Take what is cool, steal it, make copies, repeat.

The reasoning presented in the article is like the "Yes set". Ask a bunch of questions whose answers are Yes, then ask the question you really want a Yes answer to. It's a sales technique.

In this case present logical reasoning at the start:
"Look it's Rihanna as devil in this picture" Yes, it could be.
"Look here is Good Girl Rihanna" Yes.
"Here's Rihanna possessed" Yes, i guess.
"JayZ's Lyrics about financial problems" Yes, makes sense.
Now the switch:
"Rihanna sings this part, but it is actually the Devil talking to Rihanna. He is “sweet-talking” her so she can accept the idea of the Devil entering her body." - Uhh yes? Actually no... no not at all.

You have my heart
And we’ll never be worlds apart
May be in magazines
But you’ll still be my star
Baby cause in the dark
You can’t see shiny cars
And that’s when you need me there
With you I’ll always share

That to me sounds like a woman who is telling her partner she'll support him in times of crisis. You have my heart? That's a declaration of love right there. In the dark you can't see shiny cars? When the lights are out who cares about what u drive

That is the beauty of the Yes set, once you agree to one absurd assumption the rest seem natural and intuitive. All the rest is based around this assumption of the devil. When really it sounds like a couple devoting themselves to each other, offering their protection despite life's troubles.
The author even totally ignores this obvious reference to love: There’s no distance in between our love "The Devil is effectively now INSIDE of her, there’s no more distance between them." WHAT???

I'm sorry... this is silly. Most music is produced long long before a music video is shot for it and as another poster mentioned it's an art on it's own. Also the song writers sell their songs to pop singers. The singer is usually just the talent...
Here's the wiki link for the song and who actually wrote it for Brittany Spears: umbrella

I'm not a Rihanna fan btw, usually I'm not into RnB. I don't mind this song, I like the theme, I think it's positive and I dig beats

[Andrew Gubb]

Lady Gaga now... definitely feels like she's making a wierd message with her stuff.

I don't agree necessarily that there's a big conspiracy or anything... or perhaps it's the fear i don't agree with. But there's definitely something there.

[arkimote06]

Originally Posted by Richful

Dude I had a little chuckle about this sentence. Nowadays? There is always a pattern to pop music... Take what is cool, steal it, make copies, repeat.

The reasoning presented in the article is like the "Yes set". Ask a bunch of questions whose answers are Yes, then ask the question you really want a Yes answer to. It's a sales technique.

In this case present logical reasoning at the start:
"Look it's Rihanna as devil in this picture" Yes, it could be.
"Look here is Good Girl Rihanna" Yes.
"Here's Rihanna possessed" Yes, i guess.
"JayZ's Lyrics about financial problems" Yes, makes sense.
Now the switch:
"Rihanna sings this part, but it is actually the Devil talking to Rihanna. He is “sweet-talking” her so she can accept the idea of the Devil entering her body." - Uhh yes? Actually no... no not at all.

You have my heart
And we’ll never be worlds apart
May be in magazines
But you’ll still be my star
Baby cause in the dark
You can’t see shiny cars
And that’s when you need me there
With you I’ll always share

That to me sounds like a woman who is telling her partner she'll support him in times of crisis. You have my heart? That's a declaration of love right there. In the dark you can't see shiny cars? When the lights are out who cares about what u drive

That is the beauty of the Yes set, once you agree to one absurd assumption the rest seem natural and intuitive. All the rest is based around this assumption of the devil. When really it sounds like a couple devoting themselves to each other, offering their protection despite life's troubles.
The author even totally ignores this obvious reference to love: There’s no distance in between our love "The Devil is effectively now INSIDE of her, there’s no more distance between them." WHAT???

I'm sorry... this is silly. Most music is produced long long before a music video is shot for it and as another poster mentioned it's an art on it's own. Also the song writers sell their songs to pop singers. The singer is usually just the talent...
Here's the wiki link for the song and who actually wrote it for Brittany Spears: umbrella

I'm not a Rihanna fan btw, usually I'm not into RnB. I don't mind this song, I like the theme, I think it's positive and I dig beats

i like umbrella too but not the music videos...they have similar theme and style..who ever directs or conceptualize those must be something we can't tell. I agree gaga is weird...heheh from the word gaga (a filipino word means crazy)

[Jane Doe]

Originally Posted by arkimote06

I don't know what to think about...but today a voice just told me so to research and stop supporting them. It's really disturbing for example Beyonce's Listen in forward or normal language has a very direct message turning her back to goodness. And here's some article I've stumbled upon
Occult and Prophetic Messages in Rihanna's Umbrella | The Vigilant Citizen
I don't want to judge right away...but my instinct always suggests truth. There's always a reason why I felt this kind of wondering

So I started reading this "analysis." It sounds like the author ate too many drugs.

[Richful]

Originally Posted by arkimote06

i like umbrella too but not the music videos...they have similar theme and style..who ever directs or conceptualize those must be something we can't tell. I agree gaga is weird...heheh from the word gaga (a filipino word means crazy)

Well here's the guys name and Videography: Chris Applebaum
You can judge for yourself if the rest of his videos are "satanic".

[MasterRishi]

Originally Posted by arkimote06

i like umbrella too but not the music videos...they have similar theme and style..who ever directs or conceptualize those must be something we can't tell. I agree gaga is weird...heheh from the word gaga (a filipino word means crazy)

It REALLY sounds like you're looking very hard for something to be wrong with everything you see. I guarantee you if you tore apart any major type of music or entertainment and broke it down into smaller and almost unrecognizable parts, you could start to talk about the innate pagan symbolisms of this persons hat, or the wiccan meaning of the sweater.

Meaning if you want it to be there, it will be there. If it really disturbs you that much, perhaps you shouldn't watch it. There are quite a lot of things you could be filling your head with that are better for your brain than R&B pop videos anyway.

I have to fully agree with Richful here and say that it's a song about love and the video was made at least two years after the song was made, so the correlations are weak at best. And for every piece of so-called 'pagan' symbolism the author of the article came up with,, I could give you half a dozen other cultures that have used that same symbol for something completely different.

[insanezenmistress]

paranoia= giving other more credit for intelligence than humanly possible.

I watched this guy on youtube, expound the umbrella ella ella ella eh eh eh song.

*blushess* sorry i still have some of that programming stuck in my head.

Anyway.. one can become quite pursueded that these sensational meanings apply.

Because if they do... well then you have knowledge and power over your environment haven't you? You have a closed system... satan really is sending draconian alliens to harvest the humans that were genetically altered by ancient astronauts who built the pyrimids an left it ALL IN PLAIN SIGHT........

now isn't the world a much better place........."to serve man"

izm