Lucid dreaming help... I can't stop...

[rickrock]

Hiya, I need some help if you could spare a few words of advise. A few months ago I started lucid dream training. I thought the idea of being completely conscious within your dream state would be amazing, and it is.

My problem is that my dreams are so real that I can't figure out whether or not it is reality. My dreams don't consist of 'weird' things. So they seem completely real. So real that when I do wake up, I am completely disoriented. I have had my first lucid nightmare, and first nightmare in 4 years. I thought it was so real that it threw me into depression. But I have taken a lesson out of that dream and learned something, anyway, being 'awake' within my dreams allows my body to heal, but I am not getting any rest for my mind. Its beginning to have negative effects on me.

I have been testing in school all week, and its hard to stay awake. I finish a few hours earlier than the other people so I do get an opportunity to sleep, but after merely 5 minutes of sleep the dreams start again! I know that there are binaural beats for dreamless, deep sleep but I cant do it forever. I also know that if I wake up before the REM stages I wont dream. But Im not sure how I would pull that off...

I dont want to quit it all together, is there any way to just decide to stop?! Any magical switch that I can flip and get some rest? This has been going on for about 2 weeks and I can't take it too much longer. I also just switched to a vegetarian lifestyle 2 months ago, and I guess this could be the effect of the excess energy going to my higher chakras.

Any advise/help??

[NDN Scholar]

... Wow. I wish I could help, bro, but I can't. Thanks for convincing me not to get into lucid dreaming, though. It's for the best, I'm sure.

[rickrock]

Originally Posted by NDN Scholar

... Wow. I wish I could help, bro, but I can't. Thanks for convincing me not to get into lucid dreaming, though. It's for the best, I'm sure.

Sorry :/ that wasn't something I would have wanted. I dont think my problem is common, and part of it might be my diet.

Im just stuck in between 'vivid and conscious' and 'controllable'.

[Beauregard]

I've been trying to induce lucid dreams myself for a while now, and I haven't yet been successful.

However, in my research I've never heard of the problem of not being able to stop... If you consciously decide to stop having them completely it should stop being a problem.

Also, it sounds like your mind is very active, I would recommend trying meditation to quiet it down a little.

Thats just my thoughts

[rickrock]

Originally Posted by Beauregard

I've been trying to induce lucid dreams myself for a while now, and I haven't yet been successful.

However, in my research I've never heard of the problem of not being able to stop... If you consciously decide to stop having them completely it should stop being a problem.

Also, it sounds like your mind is very active, I would recommend trying meditation to quiet it down a little.

Thats just my thoughts

My mind is dangerously active, and I discovered that meditation would help. I meditate atleast 2 hours a week, and when ever I get the free time. It's helped a lot.

I assume you keep a dream journal and apply reality tests? They help a lot I only worked on my dream recall and then just didn't have time, then once I started doing some intense psychic training and eating vegetarian... this happened, among other things but that is a secret o.O, so keep trying, and maybe try the IM mindset... hold the intention for a while, and just let go

About trying to stop them: I feel your solution would work for me also, but Im afraid that my dreams will return to boring, blurry and later forgotten hours of the night. I really dont want that. So, I think I am going to try more reality checks, meditate more, and try to control them, maybe I will discover a secret

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In all MY research, I never found that lucid dreaming would keep you so tired :O But then again, you are conscious the entire time :/

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by rickrock

Hiya, I need some help if you could spare a few words of advise. A few months ago I started lucid dream training. I thought the idea of being completely conscious within your dream state would be amazing, and it is.

My problem is that my dreams are so real that I can't figure out whether or not it is reality. My dreams don't consist of 'weird' things. So they seem completely real. So real that when I do wake up, I am completely disoriented. I have had my first lucid nightmare, and first nightmare in 4 years. I thought it was so real that it threw me into depression. But I have taken a lesson out of that dream and learned something, anyway, being 'awake' within my dreams allows my body to heal, but I am not getting any rest for my mind. Its beginning to have negative effects on me.

I have been testing in school all week, and its hard to stay awake. I finish a few hours earlier than the other people so I do get an opportunity to sleep, but after merely 5 minutes of sleep the dreams start again! I know that there are binaural beats for dreamless, deep sleep but I cant do it forever. I also know that if I wake up before the REM stages I wont dream. But Im not sure how I would pull that off...

I dont want to quit it all together, is there any way to just decide to stop?! Any magical switch that I can flip and get some rest? This has been going on for about 2 weeks and I can't take it too much longer. I also just switched to a vegetarian lifestyle 2 months ago, and I guess this could be the effect of the excess energy going to my higher chakras.

Any advise/help??

Have you tried going to sleep inside the dream world?

[Kishka]

Originally Posted by rickrock

My mind is dangerously active...

How are you doing with the waking dream? Lucidity in a subjective reality? That may be enough to kick you out of the nocturnal lucid dreaming.

[NDN Scholar]

How do you wake up from a lucid dream?

[kenny r]

Originally Posted by rickrock

My problem is that my dreams are so real that I can't figure out whether or not it is reality. My dreams don't consist of 'weird' things. So they seem completely real.

I have had normal dreaming like that. Nothing unusual in it at all and it made me wonder if it was just a memory of waking life!

How did you have a lucid nightmare. If it was lucid, couldn't you change the scene? Confront the scary aspect and try to learn something from it?

being 'awake' within my dreams allows my body to heal, but I am not getting any rest for my mind. Its beginning to have negative effects on me.

This is contrary to the info I've read too, which says the mind gets rest no different than normal dreaming, regardless of being awake in the dream. Maybe it's just the stress is causing you to feel tired. And that also contradicts that you switched to a diet that should give you more energy. The dreaming within 5 minutes is interesting. I don't know how unusual that is but I do remember when I used to take naps during the day I would be dreaming within 5 minutes or so.

[Summerbreeze]

hmm if you are fully lucid you could fight anything you want, you have any superpower you can imagine and develop. Changing the scenery could work as well. The second is to wake up and go in another dream. Make reality checks: light switch, reading the same paragraph, or try superpowers if you are not sure if you are awake.

And instead do the funny/good things.

If you really don't want to dream try shutting down the chakras, especially the throat chakra, and do something awareness lowering before going to sleep(maybe TV?), no reading or discussing.



edit: i dont know if it is often so related to a great constitution, i have a better nutrition than most people, yesterday i drank cocktails and was able to lucid dream and astral porjection. i think it is more of beeing open(chakras f.e.)

[Beauregard]

Originally Posted by rickrock

My mind is dangerously active, and I discovered that meditation would help. I meditate atleast 2 hours a week, and when ever I get the free time. It's helped a lot.

I assume you keep a dream journal and apply reality tests? They help a lot I only worked on my dream recall and then just didn't have time, then once I started doing some intense psychic training and eating vegetarian... this happened, among other things but that is a secret o.O, so keep trying, and maybe try the IM mindset... hold the intention for a while, and just let go

About trying to stop them: I feel your solution would work for me also, but Im afraid that my dreams will return to boring, blurry and later forgotten hours of the night. I really dont want that. So, I think I am going to try more reality checks, meditate more, and try to control them, maybe I will discover a secret

I have been keeping a dream journal, and my recall is slowly getting better. I'll commit to it more fully over Thanksgiving when I have more time Thanks for the advice though.

Also, what kinds of intense psychic training are you doing?

[Mato Kinze]

Rickrock, what is your wind-down pattern? What do you do to get ready for sleep?

If you are having too much Mitote (inner-head chatter) then meditating for 10-15 minutes before you lay down to sleep every night could be very beneficial.

If you do this, though, it is important to separate the medatation from "going to sleep." Don't try to meditate in bed, but rather find a separate and distinctive spot for you meditation THEN go to bed.

Setting the Intention for you Dreams prior to sleeping but after your meditation will provide you with a stronger guideline going into the Dreamtime.

[rickrock]

Originally Posted by Beauregard

I have been keeping a dream journal, and my recall is slowly getting better. I'll commit to it more fully over Thanksgiving when I have more time Thanks for the advice though.

Also, what kinds of intense psychic training are you doing?

Well, that part Im not ready to share, I am still trying to figure out if I am sane with the results I am getting

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

Rickrock, what is your wind-down pattern? What do you do to get ready for sleep?

If you are having too much Mitote (inner-head chatter) then meditating for 10-15 minutes before you lay down to sleep every night could be very beneficial.

If you do this, though, it is important to separate the medatation from "going to sleep." Don't try to meditate in bed, but rather find a separate and distinctive spot for you meditation THEN go to bed.

Setting the Intention for you Dreams prior to sleeping but after your meditation will provide you with a stronger guideline going into the Dreamtime.

My wind down pattern is eating and listening to calming music (usually classical) then taking a shower and sitting down calmly doing a bit of homework or on facebook. I will meditate every night though, starting today

Originally Posted by Summerbreeze

hmm if you are fully lucid you could fight anything you want, you have any superpower you can imagine and develop. Changing the scenery could work as well. The second is to wake up and go in another dream. Make reality checks: light switch, reading the same paragraph, or try superpowers if you are not sure if you are awake.

And instead do the funny/good things.

If you really don't want to dream try shutting down the chakras, especially the throat chakra, and do something awareness lowering before going to sleep(maybe TV?), no reading or discussing.



edit: i dont know if it is often so related to a great constitution, i have a better nutrition than most people, yesterday i drank cocktails and was able to lucid dream and astral porjection. i think it is more of beeing open(chakras f.e.)

Sorry, I did state in a later comment that I was stuck between extremely real and vivid, and controllable, so no, I am not completely lucid.

Originally Posted by kenny r

I have had normal dreaming like that. Nothing unusual in it at all and it made me wonder if it was just a memory of waking life!

How did you have a lucid nightmare. If it was lucid, couldn't you change the scene? Confront the scary aspect and try to learn something from it?
This is contrary to the info I've read too, which says the mind gets rest no different than normal dreaming, regardless of being awake in the dream. Maybe it's just the stress is causing you to feel tired. And that also contradicts that you switched to a diet that should give you more energy. The dreaming within 5 minutes is interesting. I don't know how unusual that is but I do remember when I used to take naps during the day I would be dreaming within 5 minutes or so.

Conscious, vivid, reality-seeming nightmare semi-ludic because I could control what I said and did, but no other things, and yes, after a few minutes I am already in one of the stages of REM sleep

Originally Posted by NDN Scholar

How do you wake up from a lucid dream?

I have no clue, I just wait for it to end, but I guess when I can go completely lucid I can just shut them down when I am bored.

Originally Posted by Kishka

How are you doing with the waking dream? Lucidity in a subjective reality? That may be enough to kick you out of the nocturnal lucid dreaming.

I did try the subjective reality approach in life and am still applying it, but sometimes I forget my mindset and get angry like before (eg, when I get annoyed I'll get mad at the person instead of reminding myself that I did this and for a reason).

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Have you tried going to sleep inside the dream world?

You know, not the first time I heard that If I can figure out that I am dreaming, I will try that

[Kishka]

Originally Posted by rickrock

I did try the subjective reality approach in life and am still applying it, but sometimes I forget my mindset and get angry like before (eg, when I get annoyed I'll get mad at the person instead of reminding myself that I did this and for a reason).

I do too, just today in fact. I went ahead and kept telling myself that I created this situation to show myself something. Probably to show myself how it all works out in the end. And guess what, after pushing through those thoughts of wanting to drop kick one of my co-workers...everything miraculously DID work out in the end...

[rickrock]

Originally Posted by Kishka

I do too, just today in fact. I went ahead and kept telling myself that I created this situation to show myself something. Probably to show myself how it all works out in the end. And guess what, after pushing through those thoughts of wanting to drop kick one of my co-workers...everything miraculously DID work out in the end...

Lol, my imagination gives me the best mental images

So I was under the impression that I have things under control. That I wasn't stressed and that I wasn't angry. I snapped on some people and had to do some serious reflecting to realize that this has been going on for about 2 weeks and I blinded myself blaming others. I need to apologize to some people and do some 'self' work (including a lot of meditation) and see how that affects my life including my dream world.

[Kishka]

Originally Posted by rickrock

So I was under the impression that I have things under control. That I wasn't stressed and that I wasn't angry. I snapped on some people and had to do some serious reflecting to realize that this has been going on for about 2 weeks and I blinded myself blaming others. I need to apologize to some people and do some 'self' work (including a lot of meditation) and see how that affects my life including my dream world.

Hmm, well don't forget that a part of the experience is just that, a chance for your higher Self to experience all that it means to be human. It's your awareness that's key, moreso than spending effort stifling your emotions. Too much focus on the emotion will only bring you more of it.

Next time you get angry and snap at someone, take time to acknowledge the feeling, allow yourself to feel it and then move on to reminding yourself that you created it to show yourself something. And you'll still feel angry for a bit, but just keep reminding yourself. In the end, you'll feel ecstatic to see how everything falls into place!