What's up with this so called "taboo" anyway?

[Melchior]

The recent xkcd comic prompted me in wondering about this less than mainstream property about psychic phenomena. My question is this, really: How effective and/or robust would you propose that these less than fully understood areas of phenomenology (perhaps?) are and what reasons are these not or can not be capitalized on more than what the current state of things are? Perhaps also use this space to discuss what may be done to move the study of psychic phenomena more into the mainstream if in fact it is as effective and robust as it would like to be. Or perhaps discuss the impracticality of using these psychic phenomena on the scale of everyday interactions. Btw, if the answer to the former is money, then I wonder if it would be a matter of the utility at a practical level costing more than it's worth.

Also enjoy the comic.

xkcd: The Economic Argument

[Orca]

Hi Melchoir,

Can you reword your question? Maybe I'm having a brain burp, but from your post I wasn't clear what you're asking...thanks

[Angela]

Actually, those things are being used; just perhaps in ways you wouldn't recognize.

For instance, most hospitals (in California, anyway) now have at least one alternative practitioner on staff -- homeopathy, hypotherapy, reiki, etc. Financial and business planners regularly use astrology, tarot, and other modalities; they just don't usually tell you about it. (Remember Ronald Reagan?) And military organizations certainly use curses and hexes - that is, mind tricks and manipulations that have a win/lose intention, which is what a curse or hex is.

[moonrambler]

And the military has used remote viewing.

[missbhaven]

And if you read up on Cayce.. it stated that he was finding them oil wells but then there were people whose requests made him sick soo he stopped.

[desertrat]

The story I heard on Edgar Cayse and an oil well was , there had been oil where he said there was a long time ago , but it was not there when they drilled for it . A few people will dowse for water , oil , or gold . I have tried a few times with brass L rods to look for gold . I dont know if I am using the wrong methods , or just not looking in the rite spots . On the t.v. show " the doctors " I have heard them use yoga and mind body medicine . I do not know why you used the word " taboo " in the thread title . Some people are using these to make money . desert rat

[desertrat]

xkcd: Circuit Diagram This circuit from your web site does not make too much sense , but it is funny . desert rat

[bluestar]

LOL Website

[desertrat]

Creative visualization / l.o.a. is not on that list . Taboo sounds more like a porn movie . You could use remote viewing on some one rich and famious , find them doing something bad and black mail them . desert rat

[Melchior]

It was referencing this old video that I was linked here a while back: Science and the taboo of psi

Orca: the question was asking how effective and/or robust certain psychic (and related) phenomena were. And what would be necessary to move said phenomena into the mainstream, or discuss reasons why that is not practical.

Angela: could you discuss what would be necessary to move these things more into the open then?

Desertrat: I wish it were my website, but it belongs to a brilliant man named Randall Munroe.

Hope that makes things a bit clearer.

[desertrat]

Its "taboo" in the fact that it is not accepted by main stream science . What we should do is give James Randy pain full uncontrollable itching just to prove a point . He has asked for proof . That may be the title of my next thread. Should James Randy be cursed with painfull itching to win his million $ prise ? desert rat

[Melchior]

Lol, that may be going a bit overboard with a curse, perhaps something milder that is still deciding "proof" would be find with me, and probably also fun to watch as it progresses.

Speaking of curses, back to this topic, would cursing Randy be an effective way of dealing with the situation? How involved is the cursing process and does it even work very well?

Also, with regards to military remote viewing, anything on how accurate and useful that turned out or is it confidential information?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Melchior

Angela: could you discuss what would be necessary to move these things more into the open then?

Do they need to be moved more into the open?

I think people are generally becoming more and more comfortable with some of these modalities, at exactly the right rate.

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by Angela

Do they need to be moved more into the open?

They're not very open at present, hence the usage of the word "taboo", unless you'd disagree that they are. As for if it needs to or not, I would say that it doesn't necessarily need to, but then again, does it need to stay out of the open? If the answer is that it doesn't really matter either way, then why not just move it into the open? It it needs to stay out of the open, then why does it need to do so?

Originally Posted by Angela

I think people are generally becoming more and more comfortable with some of these modalities, at exactly the right rate.

Well, I'm going to be unreasonable and say that this rate is too slow.

Also, since you seem to know a bit about these modalities, could you expound a bit on what they specifically are and how effective and/or practical these modalities you're talking about are?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Melchior

They're not very open at present, hence the usage of the word "taboo", unless you'd disagree that they are. As for if it needs to or not, I would say that it doesn't necessarily need to, but then again, does it need to stay out of the open? If the answer is that it doesn't really matter either way, then why not just move it into the open? It it needs to stay out of the open, then why does it need to do so?

I don't have the experience of them being taboo -- but then again, I live in California.

Well, I'm going to be unreasonable and say that this rate is too slow.

Ok. If you'd like to make them be more widely accepted and used, I'm good with that. I would say a great way to do that is to garner experience yourself - that is, learn them, get good results for yourself and others, and then be fully self-expressed about them.

Also, since you seem to know a bit about these modalities, could you expound a bit on what they specifically are and how effective and/or practical these modalities you're talking about are?

I am very excited about mind-body connection modalities. Actually, that's kind of a misnomer, because it sort of implies that the mind and body are separate things that are connected to each other, but I see it more as the mind is the body, and the body is the mind. They're not connected; they're one.

It's pretty interesting to read about how that holistic approach is becoming more and more mainstream.

[curiouslyrandom]

Originally Posted by Angela

I don't have the experience of them being taboo -- but then again, I live in California.

LOL. I have to remind myself sometimes that there are people who do find this stuff taboo. Here in CA, the "fringe" stuff is pretty acceptable.

xkcd is an excellent webcomic, btw.

Psychic phenomena is considered by some to be about as accurate as the weather forecast or stock market predictions. You can study patterns over the long term and make predictions, go with your gut, or tap into a higher consciousness, whatever. In any of those will bring you a wide range of positive and negative hits. No one is 100% accurate because our brains just can't handle that much information.