Abuse in Telepathy Channel

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by modernthing

maybe yes... but you are giving him a lot of energy through the beliefs you strengthen, you should stop believing in his abilities, discredit them that may not make him happy, but trust me, you are most likely feeding the bond he constructed if such a bond there is, when you refer to him in the way you do.
Reading everything you have written, we can sense there is a deep awe you feel for him. If this person is so bad and doing you so much pain, you should clearly stop "praising" his abilities like you do.

Have you ever mentally faced him ?

Modernthing,
What do you mean by 'Have you ever mentally faced him'? I always feel his presence. He is 'here' right now, 'reading', 'typing' with me when I am doing it. It is like being always together with somebody. As if you were living with a person in one room, going out always together, doing things together, working together, etc. Talking, exchanging ideas,discussing, giving advice, - mainly it is he who talks, gives advice, makes comments upon my thoughts, upon what I am doing at the moment. I try to avoid talking to him, being involved, to avoid answering, because I hate his presence. But sometimes I cannot avoid, for example, making my mental responses upon what he has said to me. To control your thoughts completely is rather difficult. If you make yourself an order to stop thinking - do you think you'll succeed? The thoughts will be appearing in spite of your ordering.
When the Channel was made I started feeling his presence in the way I've just described. I should also add that this feeling is combined with some other specific feeling inside me which also had started with the Channel. It's a feeling of a Magnet, or magnetic sensation, or a feeling of an elastic band which we have between our palms (if you can feel it), and which I also had above my head, - with the Channel this feeling had moved inside my body. Even when breathing I feel it. As if the air I am breathing were filled with this magnetic sensation. And, I repeate, this feeling is combined with the feeling of MrG's presence. As if he were inside me, looking at the world 'with my eyes'.
I know it sounds awful, as if I were crazy, - this is how people see it. And I understand them. If you haven't experienced anything like that - how to believe in it?

If I am crazy - how can I live a normal life of a regular person without any additional symptoms of insanity?There must be some other symptoms! How can I talk to myself only in rhymes? How can I give myself advice being able to forsee the future (I cannot! I am not a clairvoyant!) How can I , for ex., move the muscles which cannot be moved when you make a mental effort . And I feel these muscles move when he wants to show that he agrees, and others - when he disagrees. (This is like a system of signs). At first he punished me when I thought smth he didn't like by 'hitting' my back. How could I do it myself mentally so that I felt it physically in response to my thoughts? Now he punishes me with real strong pains because I opened to the public the information he was hiding. How could I have these pains?What desease is it that triggers pains only in response to my bad thoughts about him and to my actions against him? What desease starts at 4 pm every day and lasts without interruptions (pains) for 17 hours, and stops at 9 am with a break on Thursdays? It has been for 5 weeks already!
You give me advice to 'stop believing in his abilities'. How can I stop ? I feel these pains!!! I am not praising HIS abilities! It's just my admiring the abilities of the paranormal kind. Of ANY person.He just happened to be a person who possesses so many of them. I have always been interested in the psychic, paranormal, occult things. I should have never been. For 18 years I have been living like in one room in a basement with a maniac sadist who is always here, who is making me pain, - and no way to escape!

Now, WHY is he doing that, and HOW ?
I don't know how. Maybe he has those MIRROR NEURONS (see T4488's thread above) which regular people don't have. So, it's not difficult for him at all. He is different. He is living his life making all those things to me like in some parallel way. Maybe there are some other mechanisms we don't know about yet.

WHY? I also asked him this question. He said: 'If I have these abilities why not to use them in the way I like it ?'
So, I think he is just having his fun torturing me. He has been making it in soooo many different ways during these 18 years!!! Kinda psychic-sadist. Or sadist-psychic. A psychic maniac sadist.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by bluestar

I wonder if there is some other technique at work here apart from telepathy. I wonder if there could be some hypnotic suggestion maybe implanted years ago. It may be that Mr G did this for reasons at the time (18 years ago) and has not brought the hypnosis subject out like he should have done...?
If so there will be a trigger, or triggers.

If it's hypnosis, can it last so long? Can it be so various in its forms?
The only reason it could be done is to expel me from the Meditation Club, so that I didn't tell people about manipulating the Teacher and MrG used. Why to make this hypnosis so multiple or multilateral? He could just make hypnotic suggestion about ceasing my visits to the Club. And he had made it . I stopped going to the Club. What was the rest of this hypnosis made for?

[legendarymidget]

Do you know how old Mr G is?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Irisha

If it's hypnosis, can it last so long? Can it be so various in its forms?
The only reason it could be done is to expel me from the Meditation Club, so that I didn't tell people about manipulating the Teacher and MrG used. Why to make this hypnosis so multyfunctional? He could just make hypnotic suggestion about ceasing my visits to the Club. And he had made it . I stopped going to the Club. What was the rest of this hypnosis for?

Speaking of hypnosis Irisha, have you ever tried visiting a reputable and skilled hypnotherapist for the purpose of possibly shutting down Mr. G's channel by accessing your subconscious mind? I mean, granted, it would take some explaining to the hypnotherapist, but I'm sure you could come up with an explanation to get them on board.

[Irisha]

I think it was three times when I had a chance to deal with people who worked in the field of hypnosis. Two times I wanted to be hypnotized (just was curious about that), but they couldn't do it. Last time it was about 6 or 7 years ago. I read in the newspaper an ad of a hypnotherapist who came to E-burg from Moscow to read some lecturers or to hold a seminar. I called and told them about my problem. The secretary said to me that she cannot invite me for the lectures because I seem to be crazy, and she is paid good money by this hypnotherapist and doesn't want to risk this money because I might start saying something or asking questions about this sadist hypnotizer who lives in our city and who probably is going to visit those lectures as well! She said that she didn't want to quarel with hypnotizers, and that hypnotherapist wanted to visit our city on the regular basis and asked her to organize the event in the best possible way. I wanted to schedule a private appointment with this hypnotherapist, but she said that the reputation of the people who dealt with hypnosis was more important than my problem! So, she didn't give me the address. I just knew the street and the block, and I was walking in the area in hope to see something that could help me to find the location, but I didn't find it.
Here, in the USA, I know I could easily find a good hypnotherapist, but I don't think the insurance (which I don't have) will cover the service. I don't have the money either. The psychiatrist from Russia who I see every week , and who told me that I should talk and ask MrG to stop his hypnosis ( she views my problem in exactly this way) is very busy, she even doesn't ask me if I still suffer from pains. People here have said I was lying, and a doctor could not give such advice , but her advice was based on the belief that that was a problem with a hypnosis. She also knows very well that strong hypnosis can be eliminated only by a person who has implanted it. That's why she has sent me back to MrG.
OK, if it's a hypnosis which lasts so long, 18 years, with so many variations in themes and forms, even with scheduled pains and a scheduled break from pains on Thursdays , - then this wicked MrG is really a genius of hypnosis!
But how can he heal with the help of the implanted 18 years ago hypnosis not only me but my daughter, my relatives? He can make me feel pain , - and he can delete pain. He did it many times with me when the Channel was started, and with my father, my aunt as well. He has healed my daughter on the distance. He has made many experiments with me on the Channel. For ex., he wanted me to put my hand into fire for a minute or two - and there was not a slightest damage on it. He can keep my food fresh longer. Right now I have milk with the expiration date Nov 16, - it's 20th today - it is still fresh! A good hypnosis made 18 years ago still works!

[elucidate]

I just don't know how it's possible that a person can be constantly "with" another person 24 hours a day and still go about his own life?

I mean, this person would have to have such incredible powers of concentration to be able to achieve this...either that or he literally spends his every waking hour in meditation focussed on you and this channel, and NOTHING else, for all these years...in which case, he needs to GET A LIFE?

How is this possible?

It's rhetorical by the way, I don't expect you to know the answer.

I don't think you are lying, I just don't know how it is possible for this to be happening!

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I just don't know how it's possible that a person can be constantly "with" another person 24 hours a day and still go about his own life?

I mean, this person would have to have such incredible powers of concentration to be able to achieve this...either that or he literally spends his every waking hour in meditation focussed on you and this channel, and NOTHING else, for all these years...in which case, he needs to GET A LIFE?

How is this possible?

It's rhetorical by the way, I don't expect you to know the answer.

I don't think you are lying, I just don't know how it is possible for this to be happening!

I don't think he is doing it concentrating.
To my mind he is doing it in a parallel way. For ex., it's possible to be doing smth, even talking with smbd, - and at the same time to be thinking about smth different, isn't it? I can do it. And he is a very special person, his brain is sure to be not a regular one. He is very intelligent. His memory is enormous. Maybe he can be thinking about different things simultaneously. He is not an ordinary person, no doubt about that , - not only because of his psychic abilities. When you talk to him you notice that immediately. He is Doctor of Philosophy, specialies in Chemistry.

[Mynder]

There is the possibility that it is not Mr. G himself but a mental construct, or even an energetic entity "camouflaging" as Mr. G that does this.

The first would mean that Mr. G has invested energy and intent into creating a kind of "semi-independent" energy construct that runs off his own energy but can act somewhat independently, and which he may have "anchored" to Irisha.

The second could simply mean that back when the link was established, a negative entity latched onto it and uses it to siphon energy off her.

I, too, consider it unlikely that Mr. G can keep this up constantly in parallel to living his own life. There will be things requiring his full attention, and the link would be much less constant, and he would not be able to really actively "work" with her, giving advice, foretelling the future, etc. this way. This is what brought to mind the "mental construct" idea.

Or, it isn't him at all but some other entity masking as him. In either case, it might be a good idea to get skilled help. Someone who is so capable, Irisha, that you are as much in awe of them as of Mr. G, as I feel and read that you feel completely incapable of defending yourself against it on your own.

Listen around. Not all psychics are evil, self-centered and hedonistic. Most understand that the scales eventually balance out, and that everything you send out comes back to you amplified - good AND bad. Don't feel bad about yourself for being interested in the spiritual. As every other part of nature, it is neither inherently good nor inherently evil. It simply is, and can and will be used for either purpose.

[Spithobolo]

Hi this is my first real post. The other being my hi all one.


This may not make much sense, or well ordered, I'm still on my journey and haven't had the time yet to really think any of this through. But I wanted to help, as much as I am able. So I'm going to quickly write this and hit submit before i chicken out.

I know what you are going through . I am having the same experience with another person, who has been doing pretty much the same thing. Tho of course the circumstances are different.
It's been 9 years and i have managed to get it to a managable level. I feel I'm almost there in finding peace. I worked through this on my own, as I had no one who could help. And would never have dreamed of writing this online. Like you it was hard to even concentrate on what I wanted to say, without having me type a completly different sentence to the one i wanted.

A few things i found that helped me and I hope will help you.

With the thoughts, If you were like me, you will have thoughts go through your mind, even feels like its you who is really thinking them, but as you say you've learnt to differentiate. (good Job btw)

K so take those thoughts he's putting on you and just choose one. I chose the one that really annoyed me, Now when you ever find that time when you are free, in that moment, work through that thought logically, until you have it clear in your head on the truth of that thought. Look for proof as to why it is not your truth.
You'll find that when next he tried that thought on you, you are more capable of ending it. And in the end your mind won't even allow you to follow the thought or could of been he couldn't find that hold on me anymore.
The person who did this to me, never gave me a break it took a few months to even clear the first thought.
But am glad to say that I have gotten him down to his last thought connection.

Like for me he got me thinking that God wanted me to be connected to him and there was nothing I could ever do to end the connection, Cause it was meant to be. Completely stupid but when it happened, i fully believed it. And I would be sayin I was sorry and I would go to him. But as soon as he stopped concentrating I would realise the lie. Tho at the start I would still believe it for a day or so, (even weeks at the start) before i snapped out of it.


Next your body and Yes I so understand the feeling of having a persons full awareness on you, you feel them moving your hand, your body...
I'm not sure how to put this into words , but i'll try.

When it happen to me this is what i did. I felt his awareness on me as usual, ready to show me he had control of me etc I was so sick of it that I grabbed hold of his awareness and pretty much made it me,
This is easy because they already think to themselves"its me" so your pretty much in with that thought.
K so when i did that , I Held his awareness (its like your him, or should i say that your that awareness .)
while being that awareness, i just started saying things like, You won't have me etc. It was like i was forcing the emotion through, I used anger, not recommending it, just for me was the only emotion that i had easy access to. I was really really angry :P and i knew he wasn't really spiritual so i knew anger and hate were things i could work with.
I really jus wanted to make him leave.

When I first started he thought he was the one angry, always remember its you doing it to him, don't let him switch it on you.
What this does, is kinda like what they do to us. Like he has your emotion. He has to disconnect from you to be himself.
For me this is what stopped him from connecting to me like that. Tho it didn't happen overnight. He tried alot of times, always teasting. For me now he has stopped. But you will always have that key the next time he tries.


Ok *taking a breath*
The next thing or maybe should of been first is to know that it is a connection. A one-way connection. He is doing the connection, you are in no way connecting to him or even sendin your thoughts to him. He is coming to you. Therefore he is only aware of what he knows or guesses of you. The guesses are harder to get rid of i found, only because i had a lot of doubt about myself at the start. That is what he is connecting to.

Now why it feels like he is always there.
His awareness is on the connection, its like...how the mind watches every thought, or keeps an eye out for certain things.
Like how a thought is always going on at the back of your mind even when your not thinkin about it.
Well the connection he has to you is like that. Its running at the back of his mind and the connection happens stronger when either he is just bored and comes to you, or there are certain specific thoughts you are having that he wishes to be aware of.
When you have those thought , maybe more feeling, he gives more awareness to that thought.
Like for me if i had a thought of getting free, or thought of a way to get free, he would instantly be there and would block it out. Took me a while to realise, I don't have to hear my thought, to make it, I just have to know it.

I'm sure there were a few other things, but those were some of the ones that really hit me.

I hope this helps and I hope it makes sense.

[t4488]

Everyone has mirror neurons.

I completely agree elucidate.

[desertrat]

Spithobolo welcome to the forum . Mayby Mr G. has made powerful thought forms to do his evil bidding . These could work 24 hours a day with out sleeping or eating . I still think Irisha has a lot more control over her life than she chooses to do . Some white light will take care of a thought form . desert rat

[elucidate]

I also think if you stop putting this person up on such a pedestal, and thinking he is so special and powerful, that would go a long way towards taking back your own power here.

That might seem hard, given what you have been through, but really...HE IS JUST A MAN.

He's not that special, though he may have learnt a few tricks that would make you think so. If he were really special he would be putting his power towards more amazing things than controlling a woman who has fallen for his charm!

Kick him off that pedestal and put yourself up there instead. Give him the finger

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by elucidate

I also think if you stop putting this person up on such a pedestal, and thinking he is so special and powerful, that would go a long way towards taking back your own power here.

That might seem hard, given what you have been through, but really...HE IS JUST A MAN.

He's not that special, though he may have learnt a few tricks that would make you think so. If he were really special he would be putting his power towards more amazing things than controlling a woman who has fallen for his charm!

Kick him off that pedestal and put yourself up there instead. Give him the finger

He is not on a pedestal, Elucidate. What pedestal? I hate him! He makes me feel pains! And thinking that he is not 'so special and powerful' doesn't change anything! I still feel pains, it doesn't help! I just try to speak about everything that I know about him. And if he healed or did some other good things - he did them. How can I pretend that it has never happened? But it really doesn't change anything - if he is on 'such a pedestal' or not... I repeat: it's not a psychological problem... He is a maniac -psychic, a sadist-psychic... Have you had any experience with strong psychics who showed you their tricks? If they make you feel that your hand is hot - you will feel it. How could you say that you didn't? What could you do not to feel it?

[Mynder]

Irisha, what you feel is most likely something like a child trying to arm wrestle an adult body builder.

The thing is, this attitude has been established and reinforced over a period of many years, and it has become very natural for you to accept the idea that he is so ultimately stronger that resistance is, for all practical purposes, meaningless. You do not question anymore, and this acceptance, however reluctant and hated to you it is, is one reason why he can do to you what he can do.

Why do you think he started the channel with things you liked? Why not cause you pain right away? Why didn't he just grab you and show you how powerless you were from day one? Because he couldn't. The door wasn't open enough for him to access you in that way....yet.

He did things that you liked, that you found funny, that helped you, that were miraculous and awesome and impressive. You wanted more of this, and allowed it in - willingly. At least in so far that you were so in awe and excited about it that you didn't right out attempt to block it. You allowed him in.

Now that's where "he" (or a mental construct, or some spiritual entitiy) has been sitting for a large part of your life. This has been going on so long that you probably can't even imagine anymore what it is like to be "alone" in your own mind anymore. And the thought might, on some level, be scary, even while you desperately long for being left alone.

Furthermore, you don't believe you have the power to end it all by yourself. The thing is, this belief alone could be enough for him to force the door to remain open. So what I suggest, as bluestar did before me, that you ignore what pain he may send you and look for a strong psychic in your vicinity, and ask them for help.

But...you have to actually WANT to get rid of this...and not just with logic, but with your heart also, and even most importantly the heart. You must accept that what you will lose is worth losing, and that you will be better for it. Otherwise, the logical mind can protest all it wants, about the torture and the desperation you feel, nothing will change. Deep within your heart, there is Irisha-without-G. The Irisha from before this all started, before your mind was home to two different sources of thought. Her fire may just appear to be the light of a candle now, or even just a glimmering spark, but she is still there. Find something in you that he has never been able to corrupt, never been able to convince you of, something you believe in so strongly that he has never been able to deform it. Then ask yourself, why that is so.

[Irisha]

Hi, Spithobolo!
It sounds very much as I feel, though there are differences, of course.
First of all there has never been a problem to differentiate his thoughts from my thoughts, because his thoughts always have like a different color, or 'sound' differently. When he sends them verbally I hear his voice with my inner hearing (I knew him in person).It's like talking by phone. And it's not a one-way connection, though it is he who is doing it, not me. But I can ask him about anything at any time, and he usually responds. He doesn't respond only if I ask him questions he doesn't want to answer.
As for his awareness of the connection I fully agree with you. His technique is the same.
But I haven't quite understood how you managed to get rid of him. If I start thinking 'you won't have me' - he immediately shows me 'himself' - is 'watching through my eyes', or is sending some other thoughts of him, or 'is showing' me that 'he is me', etc., -plenty of things, and what is the worst - he makes pains even stronger. I try to go on but it comes to a moment when the pain is too strong for me, it starts touching my heart, I feel suffocation, I feel that the air over my head starts like vibrating as if there were a string, - and I just have to stop saying or thinking anything, I just have to fight with that awful pain, and my only thought is to cease the pain...
Spithobolo, how did it all start, and what is your opinion why was he doing that to you?
Thank you very much for sharing your story.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by Mynder

Irisha, what you feel is most likely something like a child trying to arm wrestle an adult body builder.

The thing is, this attitude has been established and reinforced over a period of many years, and it has become very natural for you to accept the idea that he is so ultimately stronger that resistance is, for all practical purposes, meaningless. You do not question anymore, and this acceptance, however reluctant and hated to you it is, is one reason why he can do to you what he can do.

Why do you think he started the channel with things you liked? Why not cause you pain right away? Why didn't he just grab you and show you how powerless you were from day one? Because he couldn't. The door wasn't open enough for him to access you in that way....yet.

He did things that you liked, that you found funny, that helped you, that were miraculous and awesome and impressive. You wanted more of this, and allowed it in - willingly. At least in so far that you were so in awe and excited about it that you didn't right out attempt to block it. You allowed him in.

Now that's where "he" (or a mental construct, or some spiritual entitiy) has been sitting for a large part of your life. This has been going on so long that you probably can't even imagine anymore what it is like to be "alone" in your own mind anymore. And the thought might, on some level, be scary, even while you desperately long for being left alone.

Furthermore, you don't believe you have the power to end it all by yourself. The thing is, this belief alone could be enough for him to force the door to remain open. So what I suggest, as bluestar did before me, that you ignore what pain he may send you and look for a strong psychic in your vicinity, and ask them for help.

But...you have to actually WANT to get rid of this...and not just with logic, but with your heart also, and even most importantly the heart. You must accept that what you will lose is worth losing, and that you will be better for it. Otherwise, the logical mind can protest all it wants, about the torture and the desperation you feel, nothing will change. Deep within your heart, there is Irisha-without-G. The Irisha from before this all started, before your mind was home to two different sources of thought. Her fire may just appear to be the light of a candle now, or even just a glimmering spark, but she is still there. Find something in you that he has never been able to corrupt, never been able to convince you of, something you believe in so strongly that he has never been able to deform it. Then ask yourself, why that is so.

Yes, Mynder, you are right in many things you've written.
But I don't know what is inside me which he cannot corrupt. What do I believe in so strong as to overcome the pain he makes? Now I just want to get rid of the pains he makes every night. I spent my time in the Internet these two nights - it helps to have pains which are not so strong. But these two days he started making me pain in the morning - not till 9, but till 12 o'clock! Then I slept till 3 pm, then I had to go to work.
My friend Sveta who is also under his control tried to find help praying the God, going to the church. He made her make other sounds when she was praying, - and she could do nothing about it! Last time when I called her she felt very bad, couldn't leave the house because he was threatening to kill her. Now she doesn't answer my calls...

[Mynder]

So, you come here, on the internet, and talk about what he does, and he does not want that. Yet you are here, writing, responding, despite the pain he sends.

Why? How? If his control is so absolute, then why does he not prevent it? Why does he send pain instead? Maybe he cannot keep you from doing what you really choose to do?

He has trained you to obey, over many years. Yet, he can't keep you away from here? What is it that gives you the strength and the power to defy him in this? Because you do defy him, in your own way, by coming here and disclosing all this information about him. You are actively fighting him, and he has not managed to keep you from doing so. Does this not sound like his power is actually limited?

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by Irisha

He is not on a pedestal, Elucidate. What pedestal? I hate him! He makes me feel pains! And thinking that he is not 'so special and powerful' doesn't change anything! I still feel pains, it doesn't help! I just try to speak about everything that I know about him. And if he healed or did some other good things - he did them. How can I pretend that it has never happened? But it really doesn't change anything - if he is on 'such a pedestal' or not... I repeat: it's not a psychological problem... He is a maniac -psychic, a sadist-psychic... Have you had any experience with strong psychics who showed you their tricks? If they make you feel that your hand is hot - you will feel it. How could you say that you didn't? What could you do not to feel it?

Ok!

I can understand your frustration here, and if I have said something that has rubbed you the wrong way, then I apologize. It just seemed as though you are pretty fascinated by this person and give him a lot of your energy...but then, I have not been reading every word of your posts, as some of them are quite long and it gets exhausting after a while.

I never said it was a psychological problem, so please don't take your frustration out on me ok!

I haven't had these experiences, and at least I am trying to understand it...which is more than most people would!

[bluestar]

I think that Mynder is saying some really interesting stuff.
That's true -if you could find anything anything of you the way you were before you ever knew Mr G (I know that might be hard, because a memory isn't enough. You'd have to be able to bring it to life again in you)

I have a question....what is it about Thursdays...? That might be a strong clue to something if you could find out what it is, you might have some knowledge about him he would maybe rather you didn't have. Knowledge is power.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by bluestar

I think that Mynder is saying some really interesting stuff.
That's true -if you could find anything anything of you the way you were before you ever knew Mr G (I know that might be hard, because a memory isn't enough. You'd have to be able to bring it to life again in you)

I have a question....what is it about Thursdays...? That might be a strong clue to something if you could find out what it is, you might have some knowledge about him he would maybe rather you didn't have. Knowledge is power.

I think he just has a rest on Thursdays. He started these pains in respond to my making public his methods of manipulating people in the Club, other secrets of him, because he hides his psychic abilities to be able to use them as he wants. It became like a job to him - to punish me, to make his revenge, to make me suffer with pains. So, he needs some rest. Why has he chosen Thursdays - maybe because it's the middle of the week. At week -ends he does it in the worst way, especially at nights, when it's day time in Russia.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Ok!

I can understand your frustration here, and if I have said something that has rubbed you the wrong way, then I apologize. It just seemed as though you are pretty fascinated by this person and give him a lot of your energy...but then, I have not been reading every word of your posts, as some of them are quite long and it gets exhausting after a while.

I never said it was a psychological problem, so please don't take your frustration out on me ok!

I haven't had these experiences, and at least I am trying to understand it...which is more than most people would!

And I appreciate it very much, Elucidate!
It's the best help I can have here - your taking care, your sympathizing for me, your kind attitude!
So, I do apologize if I said something wrong.
What I meant by saying that it's not a psychological problem is that the advice people sometimes give me is the advice for those who have mentally constructed problems, which is not the case with me. And I understand them! They cannot feel it in this real, physical way how I feel it, they don't know that it takes place not in my head (I mean that it's not in my imagination), but it's a real event ,made by a real person, - just the method of creating this problem and these pains is very unusual, and that's why many people even don't believe. So, it was said actually not for you, but for those who misinterpret that, but I have said it in the reply to your post, it happened like this, I appologize.

[elucidate]

Ah, ok...I understand a bit better now. I've been feeling a bit sensitive lately for some reason, so don't mind me.

Originally Posted by Irisha

And I appreciate it very much, Elucidate!
It's the best help I can have here - your taking care, your sympathizing for me, your kind attitude!
So, I do apologize if I said something wrong.
What I meant by saying that it's not a psychological problem is that the advice people sometimes give me is the advice for those who have mentally constructed problems, which is not the case with me. And I understand them! They cannot feel it in this real, physical way how I feel it, they don't know that it takes place not in my head (I mean that it's not in my imagination), but it's a real event ,made by a real person, - just the method of creating this problem and these pains is very unusual, and that's why many people even don't believe. So, it was said actually not for you, but for those who misinterpret that, but I have said it in the reply to your post, it happened like this, I appologize.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by Mynder

So, you come here, on the internet, and talk about what he does, and he does not want that. Yet you are here, writing, responding, despite the pain he sends.

Why? How? If his control is so absolute, then why does he not prevent it? Why does he send pain instead? Maybe he cannot keep you from doing what you really choose to do?

He has trained you to obey, over many years. Yet, he can't keep you away from here? What is it that gives you the strength and the power to defy him in this? Because you do defy him, in your own way, by coming here and disclosing all this information about him. You are actively fighting him, and he has not managed to keep you from doing so. Does this not sound like his power is actually limited?

Sure, his control is not so absolute, otherwise, I guess, I wouldn't be able even to start this thread. But he cannot keep me from doing that, and he sends me pain in revenge.
I noticed that when I am doing something, when I am telling people about what has happened to me, I am feeling better. Actually doing, moving helps a little bit. Maybe because I am changing my position , and it's harder for him to locate me. I just cannot be moving 24 hours a day.
He forsaw it that I could publish in the Internet the information about him. He didn't want me to have the Internet.
Now I hope that my experience can help those people who have the same problems, and that other people who are interested in psychic and paranormal will be more careful.
TRY TO BE VERY CAREFUL IF YOU RECEIVE INVITATION FROM A PSYCHIC PERSON FOR SOME SECRET EVENT WHICH IS NOT SHARED BY THE PUBLIC AND BY OTHERS INVOLVED. EVEN IF YOU TRUST THE PERSON COMPLETELY. THEY MAY BE GIVING YOU MUCH POSITIVE ENERGY, WISE ADVICE THAT HELPS YOU IN YOUR LIFE, MAY BE EVEN HEALING YOU. BUT NEVER AGREE TO DO THE THINGS WHICH THEY WANT YOU TO DO IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND VERY WELL WHAT THEIR MEANING IS AND WHAT THEY ARE FOR. EVEN IF YOU ARE PROMISED TO HAVE THE INITIATION FOR BEING PROMOTED TO SOME HIGHER KNOWLEDGE ADEPT, AND KEEPING SILENCE IS ANNOUNCED TO BE NECESSARY TERMS FOR THAT. SECRECY AND OBSCURITY ARE BAD SIGNS.
I had had much trust and respect for MrG and the Teacher before, and they denied doing anything occult or psychic, and claimed to be promoting the ideas about God, Creator, spiritual development only. Nevertheles they happened to be dishonest people practicing black magic.
I should have started doubting after their ignoring my questions, inviting me for the secret meetings,which other members of the Club didn't share, talking about the Channel I knew nothing about, talking about some initiation I was supposed to pass through - but they used suggestive methods, hypnosis - which I didn't expect and was not able to prevent - and did what they wanted to do with me against my will and without my consent, playing on my interest in psychic and paranormal and on my trust in them.

[Mynder]

Irisha, if his control is not absolute, then who has ultimate control over what you do?

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by Mynder

Irisha, if his control is not absolute, then who has ultimate control over what you do?

I know what you want me to say, and I can say that yes, it's me. But these are the words, the ideas. Actually he controls me with pain. And I still have this Channel. I'll have to live with it, I know about it.

[t4488]

Since you seem to be grasping for any options you might try a Faraday cage. I don't know how a telepathy channel works. I doubt if a Faraday cage would work but a charged one might block him, as Robert Monroe wrote is his book, a charged Faraday cage would block his OBEs.

[desertrat]

If any one here does not know a Faraday cage is a cage charged with a high d.c. voltage, it stops r.f. ( radio waves ) If you watch the old t.v. show one step beyond on Peter Hurkos , his psychic powers increased when he was in a Faraday cage . If some one is going to make a Faraday cage , know what you are doing . desert rat

[modernthing]

following your remark, t448, it might be interesting to look into what else has been parasitizing Robert Monroe's OBE experiments... It's a good idea, and I'm sure there are much safer ways than using a Faraday cage, which is only convenient once you are close to it anyways...

[t4488]

I thought a Faraday Cage was simply a metal cage that prevented EMF radiation. That is thought to actually help psychic functioning by preventing EMF. Charging the cage is essentially creating a capacitor as I understand it. The EMF charging the cage blocks psychic functioning, supposedly.

MIT Faraday cage video.
YouTube - MIT Physics Demo -- Faraday's Cage

[Mynder]

Originally Posted by Irisha

I know what you want me to say, and I can say that yes, it's me. But these are the words, the ideas. Actually he controls me with pain. And I still have this Channel. I'll have to live with it, I know about it.

No, he does not control you with pain. He directs you with pain. As a force-using trainer might direct and handle an animal. However, obviously, you have a choice whether to follow, and be spared some of the pain, or to rebel, and suffer the pain. However bad the alternatives may appear...it is not him who chooses. It is you. And while the channel might not be something you can be rid of easily and quickly...the more control you regain over your own life, the easier the following steps will be.

It can't get continually worse. How much worse CAN it even get? At some point, you suffer the worst he can "dish out". What comes after that? Once you live through that, what else can he do?

As far as words and ideas go, yes, I agree. You'll have to muster a lot of heart to feed into these thoughts and ideas in order to slowly break free. But that, too, is your choice alone. Your choice. Your power. Use it!