Akashic Records - Questions and Support

[ChrisL]

Weena - We determine the overall number of lifetimes. The order is self-selective, like a jukebox or cd player placed on random, meaning there's no linear sequence. In this case, it's not so random, but based on the next greatest adventure in consciousness, whenever that may be.

The great part for the Renaissance guy is that in his next life, if he accessed the "future" (in his case, his last lifetime) from the Records, he would have the event and response to view (just like we all do for our past now). He would be in a position to tell people in that timeframe, about the future in great detail, as opposed to others (i.e. da Vinci, Nostradamus), who hadn't lived in the future yet, and could only give us events without the full details.

We're always accessing info from the Akasha, but to do it more consciously you want to be in a more meditative state.

What will you experience? You're right - it does depend on you and how you will best understand them. If you use certain senses (i.e. sight, hearing) predominantly in your normal, waking world, those will likely be the senses you initially use in the Records, until you choose to expand to a multi-sensory experience. If you're visual, the experience might be like a 3-D version of the movie "Avatar", or "What Dreams May Come", or the even like the scene in "The Golden Compass" where the little girl looks at the symbols on the compass and then goes "inside" it to see pictures. Then at some point, the experience gets to be similar for everyone.

[Weena]

Further question about accessing the records...... i tried yesterday evening as i thought the conditions were favourable (had some quiet time alone) and still nothing happened. So i was meditating centering my intention on the records. How does one block oneself to do so properly? If you are not sure where to start, is it a blockage? Whose help can you call upon to guide you there? I tend to believe in angels, as they always help me when i pray them. So i thought Metatron would be a good one to ask assistance from. But...nope...nothing... in the end i just dropped it and went to sleep instead. Oh, the only time i had to quit the meditation is when the 37 weeks baby pushed on my bladder can pregnancy affect the process? Even if the baby is a spiritual being/old soul?

The whole thing can be a little frustrating, i feel like like I'm not allowed to, for some reason... do you need to be "mega-holy" to be welcomed in that place?

[Weena]

Oh! I forgot! the two last times i tried to meditate to find past lives i got a strangling sensation in the throat. I kind of think i may have died that way at some point (i was born with the cord around my neck in this life) so it wouldn't be much of a problem for me to "see" that death, maybe more so interested in the cause though...any thoughts?

[Alena]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I'll give you an example. One man I know has his next lifetime back in the Renaissance time period. It's where he's going next. In this life for his career, he creates adventure quests for kids. He's literally preparing for his role in his next life, which will give him more courage as a leader. If someone had dissuaded him in this life (i.e. you're nuts for doing this, how's it going to help anyone, you're living in your own fantasy world, etc), then he would be less prepared for his next adventure. As it is, he will have more resolve to make difficult decisions early on, based on his experiences now.

but how will it help him prepare for his next life? he probably won't remember his current life once he reincarnates, won't he?

[Weena]

Originally Posted by Alena

but how will it help him prepare for his next life? he probably won't remember his current life once he reincarnates, won't he?

My guess is that he may not remember it consciously but his soul will. For example, if in many lifetimes you have been a healer or a psychic or craftsman, in your present life you might learn those skills much quicker, as you have performed them numerous times in the "past".

[ChrisL]

Weena - You might want to go back in the earlier posts on this thread to find some answers. We can have any number of blocks, but it's typically some form of doubt/fear. I would call on either the Akashic Record master or one of your guides to help - and do this at the beginning of the process. I use preparation techniques to build up your energy (i.e. prayer, chi building exercises), a deepening technique (i.e. trance induction to move into the pre-conscious state while staying awake), and an accessing script (i.e. sacred visualization involving a temple/library).

On past lives - perhaps starting with asking about a lifetime that is more uplifting to start with would be easier, then you can dive into the more intense lives. You won't see/feel/experience anything that you're not ready for.

Alena - The degree that it will prepare each person depends on the body/soul combination and how much conflict they have. If a person has had several lifetimes honing and using a certain talent (i.e. warrior, scientist, healer, intuitive, leader), and then comes into a body that also has similar abilities genetically (i.e. mother was an intuitive, etc), then the combination could be amazing. You can get someone of the caliber of Mozart, Newton, Nostradamus.

For this particular person, even if he doesn't remember the details of this current life, he will likely still have an instinctive sense (brought from his soul's memory) of clarity, how to lead soldiers/villagers, help them face their own fears, rally the troops, manage the village, etc - even without training. We all carry the memories of all our lifetimes.

If he does remember the details, then the results could be even more amazing, or he could have a psychotic split, depending on the person. There was a wonderful story of a boy named James who remembered his last lifetime as a WWII US naval pilot shot down near Japan in 1945. You can go to Youtube and type in "James" + "reincarnation", and find several videos. Here's a link to one of them YouTube - Reincarnation- past life evidence, Part 1


Weena - You're right on target, exactly. And we can even have no talent of something in this lifetime, and go into a past life and bring that talent back into this one.

[Weena]

Great link! It reminds me of a book i read called "Old souls"...stunning how children can remember those things so easily. When my brother was in kindergarten he told some memories of what my mother reckons could be Lemuria . Sometimes i wonder if my toddler will come up with those kind of stories when he starts talking. If he does i might record them in a journal and offer it to him when he's a grown up . I wouldn't pry of course, but if he volunteers some sharing I'd love to listen .

The Akashic Records seem to come back all the time in lots of books i read but i think the once it "impressed" me the most is when some of my favourite authors got there to find the lifetime they shared with Jesus, back then they were Simon-Peter and Miriam.

I told my mother about this topic and she was also very interested, she was wondering if the Records are like a giant library and how would one go about finding his/her own personal "book"... (as in do you just focus, does it take long, etc...). I told her what you said about feeling/seeing/hearing depending on how you'd understand it better.

[lisajay]

but how will it help him prepare for his next life? he probably won't remember his current life once he reincarnates, won't he?

I agree with what Weena said. On some level their soul will have absorbed the lessons into its consciousness. So even though he won't remember, the lessons will stick. I like that idea - that we make progress from one life to the next. What we do here isn't wasted

[ChrisL]

Originally Posted by lisajay

I agree with what Weena said. On some level their soul will have absorbed the lessons into its consciousness. So even though he won't remember, the lessons will stick. I like that idea - that we make progress from one life to the next. What we do here isn't wasted

I hear you! Especially if we have had a hard time of it or feel like we really made progress in a particular life. It's great to know it's not really 'lost'. We can make progress from lifetime to lifetime, but a big consciousness shift can happen when we allow the wisdom of other lives to penetrate into the present moment. That way our consciousness doesn't have to expand in a linear fashion, life to life, but could be exponentially expanded in any moment, in any lifetime.

[lisajay]

That's interesting Chris. Are you referring to when we access the Records and learn about our past lives?

[ssandra]

In the example of the guy's next reincarnation being in the past. I don't know how that would work

Does that mean that our future isn't for us to choose? That what we do in this life is already determined? Because, there are only so many paths this guy can take, to not change history as we know it at this very moment...? Right?

So... I guess I'm just a bit confused about that part... If somebody has a logical explanation, I would love to hear it

[Weena]

Sandra: quantum physics? possibility of thousands of realities? stuff like that...

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by Weena

Sandra: quantum physics? possibility of thousands of realities? stuff like that...

But if that is true... then the one where he learned his lesson, is not the same as where he is in the past?? Or something?

Pfffff... I'm having several levels of trouble understanding that time is not linear...

[ChrisL]

Lisa - We can access other lives in the Records and bring skills, resources, wisdom into now, just like we can send those things back towards the other lives. It's a symbiotic link. But I'm also referring to simple, meditative moments when we're so present that our chattering mind steps aside and our wisdom finally has a chance to shine through. Which can bring us to the constant state of accepting ourselves in the moment (enlightenment), which allows us access to all the lifetimes so that we can use that wisdom now.

Ssandra - Just to be clear - time itself is linear. We perceive the mental concept of time as linear. Reincarnation itself is non-linear (so far as time frames), but builds onto itself in a progressive fashion. In the micro perspective, we incarnate from life to life in a non-linear fashion which feels progressive to us. In the macro perspective, lifetimes are simultaneous. I know it can be confusing!

I've used the analogy on this thread of watching a movie where we see it in a linear sequence, but it was actually filmed at different times and spliced together. The beginning of our film (our career of lifetimes) could have been filmed last in a linear time perspective (i.e. first life in the 2367), where the end of the film could have been filmed earlier (last life in India in 500 BC). Once we're watching the movie, we see how each scene (life) builds onto the next - it doesn't really matter 'when' the scene was shot - it looks whole and complete. The macro perspective, is that our lives are like radio or tv stations - in reality, they are playing all at the same time, just a different frequency, but we simply select the one we want to watch in the moment. Like watching a movie dvd - we can watch each moment build onto the next one in a linear fashion (micro view), or we can access any moment of the film (macro view).

Time is more of an imposed, social concept than a reality. For example, if you took off in a space shuttle at 11am Eastern and it took an hour to reach space, what time would it be? To your body it might feel like lunchtime, because of the cycles that you are familiar with. But in space you don't have a 'time zone' per se.

Let me find another analogy that might help. Think of our planet, in this timeframe, like a certain university. There are people who have been on the planet a long time, meaning they have come to the end of their cycle of lifetimes, and are ready to graduate to the next greatest adventure (graduating seniors - some people might call them 'old souls'). There are some people who might be having a tough time because it's their first life here (freshman), at least from the micro perspective. There are people who have graduated and stayed to help others as teachers (enlightened masters, ascended masters, etc). There are people who are here to build onto their existing 'education' (Master's students), and there will be those that continue on to further education (PhD students) in another timeframe. In this case, think of the 'past' and 'future' as more like another college in another place - Australia, Europe, America.

We ourselves setup the basic parameters of life and then come into an incarnation to respond at the greatest level we can. It's like we setup the amusement park (life on Earth), then select the certain rides (the self-selecting process of incarnation), then respond to the ride (we love the thrill of it, we feel scared, we laugh, etc). We've chosen the overall number of lives, and the order of lifetimes becomes self-selected based on where our next greatest adventure in consciousness is. Once we're in the life, then we play out the various immutable events that we ourselves placed in that life, trying to respond with the greatest level of consciousness, so that we live in the best of circumstances.

So back to our friend whose next life is in the past. Although we might be able to read historically about this person now, he has yet to live that life. And as he lives that life, some of the 'facts' that we know now, might change. I know, it can be kind of strange to grasp this, especially if it rubs up against what we've learned.

[Weena]

I know, in this reality linear understanding of time is the easiest way to go about it. Just look at our physical body going from baby to old age, that's quite a linear progression right there. So to me the linear progression is also a useful tool here on earth. In the ether though i think i wouldn't care too much about what time is in all concepts. Maybe i'm talking crap, it's 3AM can't sleep today.

[Weena]

oh, the reply was for Sandra, sorry i synchronised my visit/reply on this topic with Chris

[ssandra]

But it cannot work like that.

I understand that the concept of time is man made thing, otherwise, how could it be 9pm in the Netherlands and 12pm in Mexico... that would be weird.

But... the time as a linear concept is the same.

if I fly from The Netherlands to London, I "travel back in time" because I leave at 8.00 and arrive at 7.30.

But... at that same moment in the Netherlands, it is not 2 hours earlier. It is still 8.30....

And that is what I mean.

What if that guy in this life learns an important lesson from mr X.

In his next life (in the "past") he does something that will go into the history books, and he does it because he learned something from mr. X (on a soul level).

Yet, because he did something that goes into the history books that wasn't there before, mr X reads that, and for that reason does not give this guy the lesson that he needs and therefor he never learns his lesson, and will therefore not do the thing that ends him in the history books, which in turn means that mr X doesn't read it, which means he will give this guy his lesson which means he will go into the history books that mr X reads....etcetcetc.

Non-linear time only works if your lifes would be pre-determined.

[rei]

Originally Posted by ssandra

Non-linear time only works if your lifes would be pre-determined.

I tend to think we naturally flow toward the major lessons our soul has invited for a specific lifetime. I also tend to think we work in concert with the universe to create that. But I also think we have free will to postpone lessons if we choose to.

But I do sort of feel like we create the system so we naturally experience what the soul has deemed significant. (Not always the precise experiences it expected for the moment, though.)

I don't think of this as pre-determination though, because we still have tons of freedom to explore and to modify the plans. But I do think it seems to apply to the stuff the soul finds important.

I have much less experience with these things, though, so who knows if this is right.

[ChrisL]

Ssandra - I understand what you're getting at. It's kind of a classic scenario that people come up with. I don't know how much you've read of the thread earlier on, so I'll cover this again just in case.

From what I've experienced in the Records, life is composed of an event and a response (or a partial response that I call a reaction). There are immutable events that we ourselves place into our lifetimes to help us become awake. Those events could be anything, group or individual in nature. Those events will happen unless we choose to die before the event takes place (in which case we push them into the next life), or we become enlightened. So yes, those events are set up by us, pre-determined by us, in every lifetime.

Even if the event with Mr X was an immutable event (he set it up prior to incarnating), even if he reacted instead of responded (a partial, conflicted body-soul expression), he would still create a ripple-affect of other events to come into his life so that he could completely respond. We don't get just one chance at something and that's it - in fact, most of us are in reaction mode and tend to re-create the same circumstances over and over. If he didn't completely respond in this current life, he would attract situations in the next life (and in subsequent other lives) over and over to completely respond (i.e. either meet Mr X in that life or someone similar). From the Akashic perspective, we all do this. In fact, we tend to reincarnate with the same people over and over again anyway. But we don't change the immutable events from happening (other than what I mentioned earlier), we just choose our response, which can transform our lives in any way we want.

It's not so much about learning lessons - it's not my experience that we are here to learn lessons. We come to know ourselves more fully, to fully express ourselves, to maximize ourselves in each moment. And each of us affects each other, just like each of our lives affects every other life we have. Even if he didn't do something historical that was going to have an affect on others in the future, it's my experience that he would attract circumstances till he fully responded, or if a certain theme still wanted to be played out for collective consciousness (i.e. WWI, WWII), then someone else would fill the gap (i.e. if a person wants to abdicate being the leader or dies, then someone else takes their place).

In the Renaissance case, if he set up as an immutable event that he would be a leader, then he can be a really conflicted one, a very clear one, or anything in-between - but it will happen. If being a leader was a response to something earlier in his life and not an immutable event (i.e. he saw people being persecuted and wanted to help), then nothing is set and his response still creates his circumstances. And it's similar with mystics who have tried to talk about the future. If they are talking about an immutable event, then we can prepare and have the greatest response possible to transform our outcome. If they are talking about a mutable (changeable) event, then we can change our response so that the event might not happen or at least the outcome will be different. In any event (literally), our response is the most important thing.

Having said all that, this is just my experience. I didn't create the system, I'm here just like you and everyone else. I'm saying all this for those people who are already or want to read the Records so that when they experience a reading for someone (including themselves) who has had their last life in what we consider to be the future, or their next life in what we consider the past, it's not confusing/overwhelming and they start negating their experience. And it can really provide clarity to a client where they thought they were just crazy or overly obsessed about a certain time/place/person in history.

[rei]

P.S. When I speak about lessons, I do not mean in the sense of passing or failing something. It's more like experiences and moments the soul has invited.

For example, the other night I was asking about something in the records and I got a wonky response (inconsistent). It hit me that my essence specifically set it up that way, as a signal, because I understood immediately that it would serve me more to focus on living the experience instead of trying to secure things about it. (Granted, I could still get the info if I wanted to, but I totally understood the purpose of the situation unfolding that way, for me... allowing for the enjoyment of the mystery...)

Seems to me this might have been one of the moments my essence was prepared to create for me to learn.

So, in your experience then, Chris, big events that seem to have a lot of meaning for the individual (death of a loved one, abuse, even something that may appear "smaller" on the surface but FEELS significant) - from your perspective these things don't connect with the records, the major moments a soul has invited for the incarnation? Or is it your experience that they do connect, you just don't conceive of it in terms of lessons?

[ChrisL]

Rei - Thanks for bringing it up - I was speaking about lessons in reply to Ssandra's post. I hadn't actually read your post yet.

The reason I'm saying we're not here to learn lessons is that some people feel like we're 'not enough' on some level (good enough, smart enough, spiritual enough, can have relationships we want, etc), and that if we just learn enough lessons or the right lesson then life will be okay. We are grand beings who have chosen to experience seperation and come back into unification. We are intrinsically 'enough' as we are - we're not the dunces of the universe sent here because we couldn't pass the exam somewhere else. It's like we're playing "hide and go seek" with ourselves as God/Creator, and at times forget that we're playing a game.

Everything registers in the Records - I just don't see life as a lesson. We could have a life with many immutable events that we've placed in it, very few, or even none - and we make things imporant or not. At some point, our response becomes more important than anything, including any events, because it has the greatest impact on our lives.

[ssandra]

I understand what you are saying Chris, and btw I agree about lessons. I use the word lesson is the same way you use euh... something something event

English isn't my first language and sometimes I use simpler words to mean the same as the more expensive words...

I agree that our lifes are not pre-determined, but that we put situations in place, or agree with other souls for certain things to happen at certain times so we can learn and grow. Not that we aren't already perfect, but to grow into remembering our perfection, to relearning our perfection.

I understand what you are saying, but it still doesn't explain the question that I am wondering about.

If life isn't pre determined then time (in the big sense of things) logically is linear.

If time isn't linear, free will is an illusion.

At least at EGO, conscious level. Maybe not on soul level or energy level or source level or however you want to call it... Because they can see everything at the same time and wouldn't have any trouble saying, Ok, I'll stay poor and helpless now and let myself get raped because there is a growing moment in there for a "later" incarnation.
The ego wouldn't be able to do that. The ego is to protect in the moment, it doesn't care about later moments...

[ChrisL]

Ssandra - I'm glad English isn't your first language, because it forces me to be even more direct and precise! When I'm tired I don't feel like it's my first language either! I'm getting a better feel for what you're asking about. I'll try to cover this in a different way.

You said "If life isn't pre-determined, then time is logically linear". Why are you connecting one with the other? Time is an invented construct, it is an illusion, a collective agreement that we abide by when we want to, when we have a reason to. Immutable events in each of our lives is pre-determined by us, the order of our lifetimes can zip back and forth across time/space (like going to a different ride on the other side of the amusement park - we don't necessarily choose every ride right next to each other). And once we're in one lifetime we choose to experience linear time. But we perceive time as linear if that's what we want to do - we can also exist beyond time and space. What do you think happens in-between lifetimes? There is a sense of timelessness, being beyond time.

Once we come into a certain lifetime, then we "agree" to experience time in a linear fashion, just like we have other collective agreements that we abide by like gravity. But there are any number of real mystics that have moved beyond the collective agreements - can appear in more than one place at the same time, can show up at different times in history (past, future), can physically disappear, can manifest things instantly, can levitate themselves, can levitate other objects, and can move through seemingly solid material - the list goes on. The book series "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" by Baird Spalding, and "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramahansa Yogananda have examples of this. I personally have met people who have done some things that would be considered outside the normal experience.

And if even one mystic can do any of those things, that means it's possible for others too, and that what we consider as 'scientific' fact about time/space/energy/matter might not be the whole picture. One famous magician really knows how to do this, and he just presents it as if it's theatrical magic, when in fact he is more like a yogi, demonstrating a greater understanding of the illusion that we call reality. Sai Baba in India is another. I'm sure you know of people like this in Mexico and other places.

You say "If time isn't linear, then free will is an illusion". Why does linear time have anything to do with this? You always have a choice as to how you will respond, in any life. I'm saying that no one feels like a victim unless they want to feel like one - no matter what happens to them. This should be positive, empowering news. If you want to talk about time, know that your response ripples out across time - backwards and forwards - like a pebble thrown into a pond.

You're right - the body (and the ego), is all about here and now, and how to protect us. Our soul is all about the bigger picture of life and how to integrate now into it's ongoing journey - but it's not about being a victim either. It's not about "Ok, I'll stay poor and helpless now and let myself get raped because there is a growing moment for a later incarnation". That is a victim mentality and it's a conflicted reaction, not a clear body-soul response. Life is about how to be fully present now and respond so that there is no conflict that needs to get resolved in any other moment, not postponing the moment. If we feel an urge to study something now, to learn something, it can then be used in any moment, in any lifetime. So preparing for a difficult task in our next life, is not the same as being a victim now.

Having said that, there are some people who want to experience being poor, helpless, getting raped, etc, just like there are people who want to experience the opposite! I'm not saying that every experience we have is an immutable event, bound to happen (i.e. not every person who is raped wants it to happen). We can attract things to us based on our clarity/conflict, and there are accidents of fate (ie. being in the wrong place at the wrong time) that can happen. I am saying that no matter what we attract to ourselves, we are either reacting or responding. When we react, we get more of the same, and we keep incarnating till we respond. When we respond, life changes and transforms into a blessing. Linear time has nothing to do with it other than it happens to be a parameter we want to use, when we like to express.

[rei]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Rei - Thanks for bringing it up - I was speaking about lessons in reply to Ssandra's post. I hadn't actually read your post yet.

The reason I'm saying we're not here to learn lessons is that some people feel like we're 'not enough' on some level (good enough, smart enough, spiritual enough, can have relationships we want, etc), and that if we just learn enough lessons or the right lesson then life will be okay. We are grand beings who have chosen to experience seperation and come back into unification. We are intrinsically 'enough' as we are - we're not the dunces of the universe sent here because we couldn't pass the exam somewhere else. It's like we're playing "hide and go seek" with ourselves as God/Creator, and at times forget that we're playing a game.

Everything registers in the Records - I just don't see life as a lesson. We could have a life with many immutable events that we've placed in it, very few, or even none - and we make things imporant or not. At some point, our response becomes more important than anything, including any events, because it has the greatest impact on our lives.

Forgot to respond here earlier... Thanks for answering me, and I agree with you on this. I don't create that connotation around the word lesson but I also totally see how that might happen.

I like how you weave Akashic work into empowerment (or weave empowerment into Akashic work )

[Weena]

Little share of my last try with the Akashic: i got into a fairly relaxed/focus state and held (edit: i remember putting it on my 3d eye just before the following happened) my phantom quartz (i knew that one would be useful someday, especially with that many phantoms in it) and then i saw (with my mental eyes) a "person" appear and tell me i was in the records (i didn't see the library or anything, just a person) it lasted like one second and i switched off. Like COMPLETELY switched off, i cannot remember for the love of God what happened after, if i got there, i i got any info...almost like falling asleep but so quickly and deeply . Anyway, each time seems to be a bit closer to it. Maybe the small amount of energy i had then got all consumed by getting at the door...

[ssandra]

hmmmm

Still don't understand, or even see your explanation.. I'll try to refrase my question:

According to what you believe and know, does the consciousness that we live now have free will?

In this question, disregard the free will of the soul. If my ego and my consciousness here and now decide (against the soul/energy) to do something that would take it away from an Immutable event... can it do that?

Time is an invented construct, it is an illusion, a collective agreement that we abide by when we want to, when we have a reason to.

If you are talking about measurement of time. Yes. true. Invented by humanity.

Time itself... Not so much an illusion. I think. Time is nothing more then one moment changing to the next according to me.

Moments change.

If the answer on my first question here above is YES, the Ego can decide its own path, then free will must be an illusion, IF we can also go back into the past.

[ChrisL]

Ssandra - I think in this case what you're calling free will might come closest to what I'm referring to as the ability to respond or react. That's why I'm talking about it so much!

We have the ability to respond/react (in your words, free will) within the parameters that we have already set up. If your ego/personality contains conflict, and you want to act against your soul, or your body - yes, you can do that. People do that all the time - it's called a reaction (a partial, conflicted, body-soul expression not based on the present moment). Life is always a dance between our body and soul. But you can't escape an immutable event - the most you can do is postpone it. And why would you want to? You yourself set it up to help you respond (a complete, new, body-soul expression in the present moment)! One popular form of this type of body-soul conflict would be procrastination. As I've already stated, you have total freedom to respond/react anyway you want, in any lifetime, in any timeframe. So you tell me if you think there is free will or not?

Moments do change, but how can the measurement of time be an illusion but time itself be real? I encourage you to have an experience outside of time. Even a deep meditative moment can give us that experience. An OBE can do it too, because you can not only visit places/people from this timeframe, but you can visit past timeframes too. I don't expect you to take my word for it - try it. I just described all those examples so that you could see that what we consider as reality, including time, is a useful illusion until we want to live beyond it. A mystic can look at something and experience the past/present/future all at the same time. It would be like looking at a rose, and simultaneously seeing it as a seed, and seeing it as decaying compost - and not having a judgment about any of it.

And with your last statement - I'm not sure what to say at this point. This is my experience, not an intellectual argument. I'm not theorizing about this, and I don't need to convince you about it. If you don't believe that the order of lifetimes can be non-linear I'm okay with that.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by ChrisL

We have the ability to respond/react (in your words, free will) within the parameters that we have already set up.
......
So you tell me if you think there is free will or not?

This is what I call the illusion of free will You can do several things, but not everything, so at this moment there is no complete free will.

Probably on soul level there is since that is where you are making these important decisions, but not at consciousness level.

And with your last statement - I'm not sure what to say at this point. This is my experience, not an intellectual argument. I'm not theorizing about this, and I don't need to convince you about it. If you don't believe that the order of lifetimes can be non-linear I'm okay with that.

I am sorry if I came across as trying to make you defend your position. I really like this type of discussions because I learn stuff... I didn't mean to discredit your believes, I was honestly curious about your answer and opinion on this!

For me, my believe has to have some logic to it, however far fetched that logic might be. In this case, if I were to believe non-linear lifetimes, I would have to also believe that free will of consciousness is an illusion. Which would be ok with me, no problem there.

Thank you for explaining to me again, I understand better now what you are saying and believing.

And you are right, we don't have to believe the same thing Which is a good thing as well!

[ChrisL]

Thanks for playing! I love diving into life through discussion too. I'm not taking anything personally. I didn't feel like you were discrediting my beliefs because this isn't a belief for me. I'm simply sharing my experience of reality. I hope I don't encourage anyone to have beliefs about any of this, as much as inspire them to have a direct, personal experience. And we can have a different experience of reality too!

[Weena]

I actually love the idea of having the option of going forward or backward to experience different lives. I never thought of it before i read it here, but the idea of being able to choose to go live the life of an ancient Celt next time or even to go back to those now long gone civilisations is quite joyful to me. Just as much as the idea of going forward in a time where we'll have worked out green energy and teletransportation (okay it doesn't seem to be an English word but, heh).