encouragement requested, please

[rei]

so, some of this will be venting, but i have thought of a way to take action, which i mentioned below.

i have a role here as a shaman, which i agreed to before coming here, and earth-bound spirits end up attracted to my light. once they are here in my field they get escorted to the other side through a collaboration of myself (well, a part of myself) and several beings.

it took me a couple years to figure out this was going on, meaning, a couple years before i realized these spirits were coming to me.

recently, i experienced something here in the forums, i thought it might have been some kind of emotional trigger but i learned it was a way to equalize my energies, which has increased the effectiveness of my shamanic abilities.

most of the work i do for this role, at this time, happens right outside my awareness. it is like i am aware that it is going on, but it's like my consciousness splits in half - half of it stays here, carrying out regular activities, and half of it becomes focused on assisting in this way. earlier today, i realized i had been ever-so-slightly out of it the last couple days, and i instantly understood this is a side effect of the work (probably a message from my guides or the rest of me, since it was an instant knowing thing) - a bigger portion of my consciousness is assisting from the other side at this time, because of that experience i thought was a trigger. it led to a balancing of my energies, which meant the balance of 'in this world' and 'in the beyond' was also amplified and that has improved my contributions for the work.

but, i have had conscious awareness of these energies in my field. i notice a sense of movement, electric like, and it can be especially distracting when i'm trying to sleep. i've found it unpleasant and sometimes annoying. it doesn't scare me and never has. there's no ill will about it, never has been, just a sense of being lost and confused (the vibe from the energies).

i've also had trouble trusting in the process at times. for a while i was worried there were steps i needed to take, then Source got in touch with me, and i became confident things were flowing as they needed to be. but, because much of it is happening right outside my awareness (the me typing here), i get restless about the progress. it's not that i have a need to control it, i just become more comfortable with the way things are progressing if i'm actively involved in that progress.

i have been working really really hard at trusting it, i know it's a very delicate situation and i know there are a LOT of spirits needing to be escorted. i know Source has power and doesn't have a need to demonstrate it constantly, and i know the compassionate thing to do is to handle these souls with care so there is not further trauma (the ones in my field don't even know they died, they are in shock). i have no idea about a linear time frame for this, and i am trying so hard to trust the process, but there are times when it feels like nothing has changed because i still notice those sensations in my field.

the doubt is false, though. i am fully confident that this is working as it needs to, things are happening, we are moving toward resolution (for now, anyway... i agreed to this role which means this sort of thing will be a common part of my life, but now that i know what the deal is here, i will be able to contribute to the escorting process before there's such a backlog of souls - and at this point, i am grateful that i've worked through the guilt i was feeling because they were sitting there so long needing help).

the idea that nothing has changed is also false. before, the movement of the spirits was so distracting at night (mostly on my right side, at the time), that i could only fall asleep by lying on my right side, so the bed itself would block that area from my sensory experience. a few days after Source got in touch, i suddenly realized i had spent some time sleeping on my left side - it had been months since i had done that, and i didn't plan it that way, i just suddenly realized there were moments during the night when i rolled over. i may not be able to explain it, but this was a huge sign of progress.

yesterday, during class, i asked Source and my guide team if it was okay to focus our efforts on the area that had the greatest concentration, meaning, the area that contributed most strongly to these sensations in my field. that would also be a way to feel more progress. Source agreed.

today, my back was hurting a lot... in a way that's quite different from the way it's usually acting. it was a muscle type of pain instead of a nerve type. on my way home from work, it hit me that this was the metaphysical level seeking expression or mirroring in the physical level - it was the pain of those souls being escorted, which somehow needed to be acknowledged as part of the process. when i became conscious of this, i decided to be a witness to that pain and suffering... so many humans whose last moments before death were absolutely awful. i acknowledged it and felt a great sense of compassion.

i had my ipod on shuffle, and sometimes if i have an intention, i will get my guides to choose a song that specifically has meaning for the moment. it can be a fun little game, and i had a half-thought related to this while driving home, and moved on. then, i heard a song... and, the message couldn't have been more clear. it was The Reason by Hoobastank. here's a piece of the lyrics:

I'm sorry that I hurt you
It's something I must live with every day
And all the pain I put you through
I wish that I could take it all away
And be the one who catches all your tears
That's why I need you to hear

I've found a reason for me
To change who I used to be
A reason to start over new
And the reason is you

i burst into tears over it, realizing this was a message from some of the spirits who have become aware of the situation and are in the crossover process. they wanted me to know they realize how much my assistance has helped, they were offering that appreciation (logically, my assistance was more of an opportunity for them than a reason, but i still got the point and i confirmed several times this was from some of these souls who were healed enough to share that message of appreciation). i felt such gratitude for my efforts being acknowledged, because this work is really hard sometimes, and quite lonely.

i feel like i can't talk to anybody about this stuff. most people will not understand, or will TOTALLY freak out - i can see why, too, if i weren't involved in this myself, or didn't have a lot of metaphysical understanding, i would be weird about it if someone said, in effect, there were tons of ghosts in their energy. i get how freaky that might sound. plus, i'm in the bible belt. not the most open-minded place. my bf is pretty open (still technically more of a skeptic) but this would be extreme even to him - i cautiously mentioned a recent experience of talking to the spirits who were aware of their status and helping them cross, and he was a little bit anxious in wanting to know where i did that process. so, i don't want to overwhelm him with it. he would not be able to feel these spirits at all, but i doubt he'd be comfortable with the idea of them there and there isn't a good reason to tell him right now.

but i realized, with how emotional i got over getting that message from those spirits, how much i really need to hear a thank you, to hear that someone somewhere knows how much is involved here and appreciates what i'm doing. it's helping so many bits of consciousness, enough that there will be a ripple effect in the vibration of the area, but i don't really have any support in the physical world for this role. it's hard to have those sensations in my field, to not let myself feel annoyed and tired of it, and hearing encouragement helps me be more patient as the rest of me is working with Source and my guides to resolve this situation.

(here's the action part)
i unloaded a lot about it just then, part of that is because none of my mentors have physical bodies and most people i know, or all of them in my geographic area, wouldn't respond in the way that i'm needing right now. but here is what i thought of in terms of action, what i'm asking for...

i am hoping some of the metaphysically-minded folks who visit these forums will post a response of encouragement. i am well aware that i'm just coming and saying, 'hey, someone thank me!' but the fact is, i need it. i have a sense the whole process will go more smoothly if i can stop doubting, and one reason i think i start to doubt is because it's all happening in the ether. hearing the thanks and encouragement will help me because it will remind me this is going on, and it will help me be more patient. and it will also be nice to feel like someone has understood what i'm involved in, believes it's really going on, and understands why i might need to hear that encouragement.

if anyone here is willing, and if you believe this is all really happening, maybe you could consider sending me a PM, once a week or once every two weeks, to say a quick "thank you for helping those spirits"? i know that may be asking a lot to just start with a request like that, but you have no idea how much it would help, even if it's just that single sentence.

folks who are regulars here, you know i give much more than what i ask from others, but this is a fairly small thing that i'm needing.

thanks for reading, and for any supportive encouragement you feel like offering!

if you have ideas for people i might talk to (with physical bodies) who would totally validate my experience and be willing to discuss these things, as a metaphysical colleague or like-minded ally i mean, not someone who expects financial compensation for sharing in the experience, and you'd like to share ways to reach those people, that would be lovely too.

[Weena]

Hiya lovely Rei!

thank you for helping these spirits cross over . You are indeed a beautiful empath. There's an other thing i just learned about too that could possibly help you with not having such a heavy load of souls to help: I'm going to PM you about it.

Love and hugs to you.

[rei]

Originally Posted by Weena

Hiya lovely Rei!

thank you for helping these spirits cross over . You are indeed a beautiful empath. There's an other thing i just learned about too that could possibly help you with not having such a heavy load of souls to help: I'm going to PM you about it.

Love and hugs to you.

as i said in my PM to you, i very much appreciate that you responded to my request. if anyone else wishes to respond, i'll be grateful for that as well.

[Angela]

rei, I don't have the inner resources to read and fully grok what you've written here right now, but I want you to know that I love and appreciate you and your purpose with my whole heart. You are the genesis bomb -- you generate light and life, and I'm grateful that you're on the planet at the same time I am.

[rei]

Originally Posted by Angela

rei, I don't have the inner resources to read and fully grok what you've written here right now, but I want you to know that I love and appreciate you and your purpose with my whole heart. You are the genesis bomb -- you generate light and life, and I'm grateful that you're on the planet at the same time I am.

well, i am impressed that you ended up contributing exactly what i was asking for, considering you didn't grok the whole thing.

thank you, very much, for your kindness and support

[blossom]

I'm at work and so I haven't been able to fully digest everything you wrote, or even read it entirely, and I don't want to just skim over your thread.

I love reading your posts and know that you are a most intelligent and highly tuned in individual with an important mission here. I feel assured to know there is someone like you out there.

I will read your post more carefully when I get a chance, but I wanted you to know that I appreciate you and your contribution here.

[rei]

blossom, thank you very much. i appreciate the honesty, and what you said was helpful even if you haven't had a chance to read it closely.

thanks again

[dream]

Hi rei. I read your post and didn't really understand how you help spirits to pass over. Do you speak to them with words or through visions? Also I hear some homesickness. How long have you been there as you accepted a job as a Shaman? Lots of Culture Shock there. I do want to say we can all understand not being appreciated for what we do. So take heart in the fact that you get to do what you love. Travel, meet different people, come on this forum I do notice that you are a regular here and for that I would like to thank you for your comments and advice that you give to everyone.

[nicbrahms]

Oh Rei,

made me choke up reading your post. You really are going through something aren't you?

I can't offer any real advice as I haven't been through this sort of thing, however, I can say the following. That I know you will find your way, you will receive the help and guidance as you need it, and you will be stronger in everyway for it.

I will intend it for you, stay strong and know that we are all right there along side you in support and love.

Love and light

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by rei

...i agreed to this role which means this sort of thing will be a common part of my life, but now that i know what the deal is here, i will be able to contribute to the escorting process before there's such a backlog of souls - and at this point, i am grateful that i've worked through the guilt i was feeling because they were sitting there so long needing help)...


...i feel like i can't talk to anybody about this stuff. most people will not understand...


...i don't really have any support in the physical world for this role. it's hard to have those sensations in my field, to not let myself feel annoyed and tired of it, and hearing encouragement helps me be more patient as the rest of me is working with Source and my guides to resolve this situation....

if you have ideas for people i might talk to (with physical bodies) who would totally validate my experience and be willing to discuss these things, as a metaphysical colleague or like-minded ally... that would be lovely too.

Well rei,

I don't believe that you are here to sacrifice yourself. Helping is fine but you must look after yourself as well.

I do spiritual healing. And when I was still working with my ex-colleague, at the end of each session I would ask that all the spirits from all over the world that needed help be taken to the Light by the Beings of Light. And there used to be crowds of them each time, long queues waiting to be helped cross over. Once my colleague even asked that it be stopped. She didn't have enough patience to wait. And, as far as I'm concerned, she lacked compassion. I was very annoyed then and tried to get back to it at the following sessions, asking for help for all those disappointed spirits whom she had cut off the help at that moment. It worried for quite some time.

Now I work with my girlfriend. And although we also help spirits to cross over, we don't do it on a massive scale, like we used to with my ex-colleague. Simply because my girlfriend feels that this is not her task in this life-time to do it. But she can. And although I would like to continue with this as I see a great value in this work, I respect her decision and do not press her. Only sometimes, if there is a natural disaster somewhere in the world, my girlfriend and I pray for the people and help the spirits of the deceased.

I could also ask my ex-colleague to carry on with this work but she doesn't see the value in it. As I have said, I feel she doesn't have the compassion which was one of the reasons I ended our collaboration. So, I have reconcilied myself with the fact that this kind of assistance I must leave out from what I do.

I have a friend who had about a 1 year long period in her life, where all of a sudden she started attracting spirits wanting help. She can see them. It apparently became her mission because she didn't advertise her abilities anywhere and yet people used to call her from all over the country to help the spirits of their deceased dear ones or any other spirits present in their homes cross over. And apart from that, spirits were coming to her living room every day spontaneously.

But she has a small child and this became quite overwhelming for her. So, what she did, she simply stated rules. She kindly, yet firmly told the spirits that she would only do this work from ... to, each working day, at the time her child was at the nursery school. And they obeyed and didn't bother her at other times of the day or at night since.

What was interesting, she told me that some of the spirits were scared to leave and almost every time one of them hid behind her back and when she found out they grabbed her around her waist like a little child, and didn't want to let go. She had to comfort them and assure them that it was safe where they were about to go.

But after a year or so, she was already tired of that. Having a family, she found it difficult to carry on with this work. So, what she did, she asked for a pillar of brilliant white Light to appear next to her house as a cross over gate. And that was a great relief. When I last saw her, she told me that she still had to assist some of the spirits personally but anyway, that it was nothing like before. She felt very relieved. Not stopping the help but not being so absorbed in it any more.

Well, what I am trying to say by all this: Your help definitely is highly appreciated. And I believe that the appreciation of the Source, of the Beings of Light, angels, spirit guides and, especially, the spirits themselves, is very rewarding, although people may not always relate to this and may not be able to see the immense value of such work.

But at the same time, I believe that we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously. The Universe will always find the way to balance things that need to be balanced. I like what swami Vivekananda said: "Do not think that the world will not go on without you." Not his exact words but the message is there.

So, my suggestion is: Relax. Take it easy. Take a rest. You have been doing a great work and deserve it. You are not here to save the world. Life should be light, happy and fulfulling, even whilest doing such a valuable and responsible work. If you walk in Light, everything else will take care of itself.

Merrick

[rei]

Originally Posted by dream

Hi rei. I read your post and didn't really understand how you help spirits to pass over. Do you speak to them with words or through visions? Also I hear some homesickness. How long have you been there as you accepted a job as a Shaman? Lots of Culture Shock there. I do want to say we can all understand not being appreciated for what we do. So take heart in the fact that you get to do what you love. Travel, meet different people, come on this forum I do notice that you are a regular here and for that I would like to thank you for your comments and advice that you give to everyone.

thank you, dream. it is not the traditional setup. there was a group of them who knew they were not living, and i was able to communicate telepathically, explain they had nothing to fear, and call on beings of light to escort them to the other side (usually the shaman will journey him/herself, i've done two journeys before but at this time it is not needed). once i did that, all the ones that were left were not even aware of their status and didn't realize they had come for help. i tried to send them healing light, to heal the souls enough to work with them as i did with the others, that didn't work and i felt a little like it wasn't supposed to work. it wasn't, i was supposed to get in touch with Source to collaborate with Source and other beings to continue the work.

much of it doesn't happen at this level, as i said. half of my consciousness is in another level right now, and is doing most of the work with Source, and other beings of light. traditionally, there is more of an active role, and i may get a more active role in the process at some point, but for now this is what i am supposed to do, hold the space, be the beacon they come to so they can cross. since they don't realize they aren't living, it is harder to figure out a way to connect with them, to provide what they need so they will cross. i have come to understand the part of me typing here doesn't really need to connect with them, because it can all be handled from "behind the scenes."

homesickness, eh? that's interesting. i've been conscious of this role for a couple of years now. and, i used to be quite bothered about where i live but i have largely made peace with my roots, now it only gets to me in situations like this, where i am truly needing to feel support from folks who will understand, not judge, not go into fear, and around here that is less common. so i come online

i do still carry out my life, find things i enjoy and do them. but i agree that is a wonderful idea i hope the situation is clearer to you now, and thanks for your support.

Originally Posted by nicbrahms

Oh Rei,

made me choke up reading your post. You really are going through something aren't you?

I can't offer any real advice as I haven't been through this sort of thing, however, I can say the following. That I know you will find your way, you will receive the help and guidance as you need it, and you will be stronger in everyway for it.

I will intend it for you, stay strong and know that we are all right there along side you in support and love.

Love and light

thank you very much, Nic. what you said here is helpful anyway, as i was wanting encouragement more than any practical ideas, so thanks for coming through with it

Originally Posted by Merrick1

So, my suggestion is: Relax. Take it easy. Take a rest. You have been doing a great work and deserve it. You are not here to save the world. Life should be light, happy and fulfulling, even whilest doing such a valuable and responsible work. If you walk in Light, everything else will take care of itself.

ah, thank you, Merrick. it is incredibly helpful to speak with someone who understands this stuff and doesn't get freaked out by it.

i tried a ritual of writing a letter and burning it, to set some ground rules. i had every expectation that it would work, but it didn't. i think it did not work because the ones remaining have no idea they are here, their awareness is replaying other parts of their life memory because they are in shock. they don't even know they came to me for help, until much later in the process, so i think that is why the ritual to set ground rules didn't work - they weren't conscious of the situation in a way that they would have seen the writing, or if they did, they may not have understood why it was there.

i agree with you taking time for me is also important, i am doing my best to do so. as for taking a break, that is a lovely idea - but i'm not very "active" in this particular process as it is. well, i am active, but the part of me that's active in it is not the same part of me typing this post. i did reward myself with a break after i helped the ones who understood their situation, and now i'm mostly just holding the space, and when i get an intuition about some small way i can contribute to the process (the i who is typing here), i do my best to follow through with it.

in the past, i went through a laundry list of methods to clear my field. not forceful methods, things like working with AA Michael, Melchizedek's third order, St. Germaine, visualizing liquid light or streams of light power, stuff like that. but this is happening because my soul agreed to it before i came here, and as far as i know overriding that isn't in the plans. if there were a way to get the spirits out of my field and contain them elsewhere, i would do that, because that would make it easier, but as bright as i could make or intend an area for them, my own field is at least as bright on that level. i'm really a portal, and i am not sure i could even create or intend for something that would be as effective for the purpose. there are aspects of the situation i'm still learning. besides, if i set up another portal (one-way portal ), it would still only be half of what is needed, because the me here is holding the space and the light, and the rest of me is doing a lot of other tasks for this. if the me here sets up another portal or gateway, it would not have the part of me that is connected to my own energy.

i think those are lovely ideas, and i don't mean to dismiss them offhand like that - i would much enjoy following some of those suggestions - but based on what i know about this situation, it needs to be this way, and handling my little-me emotions about it is the best way to deal with it. i do my best to take care of myself, to give myself what i am needing, if i feel annoyance about the sensations i try to accept it and realize i'm human and it doesn't mean i don't care, and i think because of the particulars of the situation, that's most of what i can do at this time.

(if you understand what i am talking about here, in terms of why creating a separate space for them wouldn't be as effective, and you still have additional ideas - for how i might manage little-me emotions, or metaphysical process ideas - that would possibly fit with the particulars, i am more than willing to consider those ideas, if you feel like offering them.)

having said that, i very much appreciate your words of support, your sharing of personal experience, and the feeling that someone truly understands what this is about. i hope it will be alright with you if i decide i might contact you in the future. i'll do my best to respect your time if i do so.

thank you again, everyone who has been supportive, and advance thanks to anyone who will be responding here.

[missbhaven]

*Sends the BIGGEST virtual hug rei's way*
(pulls blinds down in her room soo the people in the building across the way don't call the psych ward on her)
***Put's on imaginary grand master hat and lines up teddy's behind her*
plays raheem devaughn - woman
"let the rei appreciation parade begin!"
Begins to do the grand master dance !!! leading the grand teddy bear parade.
Dances and sings along threw the whole song!!***

If that doesn't make you smile... i actually did it for ya!

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by rei

(if you understand what i am talking about here, in terms of why creating a separate space for them wouldn't be as effective, and you still have additional ideas - for how i might manage little-me emotions, or metaphysical process ideas - that would possibly fit with the particulars, i am more than willing to consider those ideas, if you feel like offering them.)

Yes, I understand. I will speak to Lenka (my girlfriend) and if we get some ideas, we will gladly offer them to you.

Originally Posted by rei

...i hope it will be alright with you if i decide i might contact you in the future. i'll do my best to respect your time if i do so.

Yes, it will. You're welcome.

Good luck

Merrick

[rei]

Originally Posted by missbhaven

*Sends the BIGGEST virtual hug rei's way*
(pulls blinds down in her room soo the people in the building across the way don't call the psych ward on her)
***Put's on imaginary grand master hat and lines up teddy's behind her*
plays raheem devaughn - woman
"let the rei appreciation parade begin!"
Begins to do the grand master dance !!! leading the grand teddy bear parade.
Dances and sings along threw the whole song!!***

If that doesn't make you smile... i actually did it for ya!

that was awesome, missbhaven! it totally put a big smile on my face very fun, thank you so much!

[themaster]

I validate your experience rei, however I'm with merrick in that.. are you sure this is what you want to be doing?? You are more than capable of breaking your agreements here if that is what you wish... people aren't going to suffer if you do?

Understand that I have hard time correlating the idea of free will, with the idea that people are trapped here.. (trapped by free will to be negative obviously ) since it's my understanding you choose when you die "mostly".. it surprises me so many selves would get trapped in some kind of negativity.. but this seems to be the case..

You should remind yourself that your job is not a obligation, but a choice and in that there is empowerment

Anyway, I wish you well and know like me you are a perfect being, having a perfect experience.. just make sure you love it

[ursixx]

like we say in Sweden" Tack så mycket"

[rei]

Originally Posted by themaster

I validate your experience rei, however I'm with merrick in that.. are you sure this is what you want to be doing?? You are more than capable of breaking your agreements here if that is what you wish... people aren't going to suffer if you do?

Understand that I have hard time correlating the idea of free will, with the idea that people are trapped here.. (trapped by free will to be negative obviously ) since it's my understanding you choose when you die "mostly".. it surprises me so many selves would get trapped in some kind of negativity.. but this seems to be the case..

You should remind yourself that your job is not a obligation, but a choice and in that there is empowerment

Anyway, I wish you well and know like me you are a perfect being, having a perfect experience.. just make sure you love it

i know i'm capable of doing that, if i really want to, but this is one of my core reasons for being here. i disagree with that second sentence, while it's true that "people" aren't going to suffer if i change the plans, plenty of pieces of consciousness would. they have already been through enough, in choosing to interfere with the crossover process. they deserve that healing and renewal.

not everyone understands what happens at the moment of death, if it is sudden or if they believe they deserve to suffer, or if they choose not to cross, they get stuck. there is a window of time, if they don't cross in that window they are stuck until they get help. they may become stuck for various reasons, unfinished business or just the experience of dying was so sudden and overwhelming they can't face it yet. it is a valid choice souls can make. they have free will to choose a suffering outcome, or they may not be aware of the way things work and then they need assistance because, though they made the choice, they weren't necessarily aware of all the consequences of that choice.

also, there is a difference in principles shared by a teacher who is helping you expand your sense of power, and the experiential metaphysical process. if an individual chooses to see limitation, that is what they see. or, if an individual is so surprised by the experience they go into shock, that is what they choose. they may have chosen when they will die, but that awareness may not remember, so it's still a surprise if they don't remember... most people don't remember choosing that.

i agree, this is a choice, not an obligation. it's a choice i choose to keep making though. it is serving in more ways than i even understand yet. the task and the role are as rewarding as they are difficult at times. it's totally worth it, even if there are times when my emotions show my humanity. i'm honored to serve in this way.

besides, this goes against your understanding (most likely) but i think, if the me typing here chose to go against these plans and such, the rest of me (the part that is doing much of the active work right now) would be able to cancel out the decision to let this go... because it is that important... and it is not a drudgery. the sensations get annoying sometimes, but i know this is important, valuable, and helpful for all of us (fyi: this is helping for the shift as well, i don't really want to get into how it's helping, but it is).

even though you used part of this to discuss how the situation goes against the teachings you are familiar with, thanks for the part of your post that was meant to be encouraging.

[rei]

@Merrick: thank you for your time, and for planning to discuss this with Lenka and offer any additional ideas that come from that conversation.

Originally Posted by ursixx

like we say in Sweden" Tack så mycket"

interesting, and what does that mean?

[themaster]

Originally Posted by rei

they get stuck. there is a window of time, if they don't cross in that window they are stuck until they get help.

You see this sounds like limitation to me.. window of time? We are timeless beings..

So when we were busy creating the death and or rebirth into who we are process we just decided ohh hey you got 5 days and 12 hours to get yourself back to non-physical or else?

That's not my understanding.. my simple understanding is.. they choose to see negative and limitation and keep on seeing it not that linear time or the illusion of time has anything to do with it..

Originally Posted by rei

even though you used part of this to discuss how the situation goes against the teachings you are familiar with, thanks for the part of your post that was meant to be encouraging.

These aren't my teachings.. these are just my knowings.. different word..

I just don't understand how someone could choose to see negative that much and get that stuck.. but I understand the mission of the healers and there will be a whole lot more needed coming back when "the shift" happens.. as It's my understanding millions or billions will be stuck then and need someone to easy them up a bit.. at least for one reality

[rei]

Originally Posted by themaster

You see this sounds like limitation to me.. window of time? We are timeless beings..

So when we were busy creating the death and or rebirth into who we are process we just decided ohh hey you got 5 days and 12 hours to get yourself back to non-physical or else?

That's not my understanding.. my simple understanding is.. they choose to see negative and limitation and keep on seeing it not that linear time or the illusion of time has anything to do with it..

These aren't my teachings.. these are just my knowings.. different word..

I just don't understand how someone could choose to see negative that much and get that stuck.. but I understand the mission of the healers and there will be a whole lot more needed coming back when "the shift" happens.. as It's my understanding millions or billions will be stuck then and need someone to easy them up a bit.. at least for one reality

i did not start this thread for a debate. i started it for encouragement and support, not to have someone scrutinize to point out statements of limitation. this was a thread to meet emotional needs, and that way of responding doesn't do that at all. it just comes across as nitpicking and missing the forrest for the trees to me.

you have a right to your understanding. if you worked with dead people you'd be inclined to be more open to other understandings. saying it is knowing and not teaching is a way to close off to the flexibility needed to see things from another aspect's perspective. (you call them knowings, but if you don't have experiential understanding from going through these things yourself, firsthand, then it's still theory you heard from some other source. most of what i see you say here suggests these are ideas you have learned from other aspects, not things you learned as side effects of having your own experience. you may know these ideas are true for you, but that's not the same as learning through direct experience.)

i have no interest debating these things, that's not the purpose of this thread. i started it for emotional support. if you aren't interested in offering that - without using it as a platform to suggest your understanding is more accurate than mine - then please spend your Now focusing on other things.

by now you know we see this sort of idea differently, and by now you know i'm not open to changing my understanding. most of what you're saying here isn't going to change much in my situation. you're taking general principles and trying to apply them to a situation you don't have firsthand experience of, and you're still assuming your understanding is better. that's a little arrogant.

i stated for this thread what i was needing and asking for. you're trying to turn it into something else, and i find that a bit disrespectful.

i think the "window of time" is like 99 days or something, maybe more. it's not as limiting as it sounds, and the me who has learned of the way things are set up is not the same Self who set it up that way. different configurations of Self energy involved. if you object to the way it's set up, have a conversation with Source about it - not you-as-Source, Undifferentiated Source.

i think you could understand how it's possible to see that much negative. you probably know about the process of shock. it's a difficult thing when your resources are overwhelmed and all you can do is dissociate. not everyone has your own strength, knowledge, and perspective. maybe YOU would not respond that way (although, i think even strong people are capable of going into shock), but it sounds like you're trying to apply your own standards to every other bit of consciousness that incarnates here. in your reality, that works. in mine, it's unnecessary and smacks a little of self-righteousness.

if you aren't interested in respecting the reason i started this thread, please post elsewhere. this is the same attitude that i have been avoiding in my physical environment, so thanks for being the manifestation of it. now i invite authentically validating, authentically empathizing support in its place.

i consider it quite a blessing that this was not the first response to my thread. if i had taken the risk to show my vulnerable self, the part of me that was needing that emotional support, and the first response was all about applying theory in an intellectual, non-emotional way - a way that also provides lipservice for the idea of validation while simultaneously suggesting things that would invalidate my understanding (which is pretty messed up i think, if you are only going to pretend to validate, don't say it in the first place, themaster - and, i understand some of the teachings you follow talk about validating an experience, but that obviously creates confusion sometimes, if you are going through the notion of validation in a ROTE way, without any genuine feelings of acknowledging someone's truth, as a mere process you have decided to use - that isn't really validation) - i would have been so deeply hurt by that that i might have taken months before i felt ready to ask for emotional support again. whew, so very glad the previous responses were actually giving what i was asking for.

[themaster]

That's a awful lot of text for someone that just wants encouragement.. I mean is the point of this thread..

"Come on here and tell me what I want to hear"

And if you don't I'll get defensive..?? Because I told you what you wanted to hear.. mostly

Every time I make a statement of limitation.. it's merely a idea that it's something you should look at.. is it so hard to believe that even people with guides, people that channel, people that do various things that are metaphysical.. still might have issues and limitations within themselves??

Apparently to you that idea is abhorring.. can't possibly be true.. but I offer the idea even for myself it could be true..

I mean people have been into "new age" ideas for decades.. and they've done healings, they've done clearing work and some of them still don't have a million dollars or there dream home or happiness.. so are we to look out there and say they still haven't figured it out yet.. or are we maybe to say they still have limitation issues they haven't worked out yet..??

Originally Posted by rei

i did not start this thread for a debate.

Debate?? How about just a little education.. if you know why souls get trapped as I saw you stated somewhat below.. maybe you'd clarify.. why and how?? They get trapped.. what the purpose is.. for leaving one of us in a realm it can't be released from??

Originally Posted by rei

emotional needs

So let me get this straight as a aspect of the one and as a creator yourself.. your needs aren't being met..?? so you seek the EXTERNAL reality rather then the internal to meet your needs..?? now I'm trying to be fair here.. but that's just illogical (nothing wrong with that.. sometimes people need to feel a little shared reality, shared beliefs, shared "I'm doing the right thing".. which is really what your doing here)

I mean really here, rei.. let me ask you some logical questions.. if I can..

How is my quick comments and statement of limitation.. so reactionary to you to have type out 8-20 sentences just to explain yourself..?? I would say your very reaction is defensive and negative most likely about your reality and what you believe..

A person in total balance will just ignore it, won't they?? Am I missing something???

This is not the first time you and me have had a conversation about balance and a right way to be and a wrong way to be.. I say there is no wrong way to be!.. all I'm saying is there are certain clues and indicators from you that you don't believe what your selling And that maybe you should look at that.. I can feel it in your energy, in your posts, what exactly you've done I don't know.. I'm just saying have a look, if you like.. else leave it

Originally Posted by rei

ithis is the same attitude that i have been avoiding in my physical environment, so thanks for being the manifestation of it.

I'm happy by law of attraction to offer the thing you seek to avoid

Originally Posted by rei

if you aren't interested in respecting the reason i started this thread, please post elsewhere.

I've already respected it.. your the one that's off on a tangent.. I mean which one of us seems more open and shall we say unlimited, here?? I mean who's being neutral or who's being a tad bit judgmental and saying "no"? (cause that's what it seems like to me.. I'll re-read my post just to be sure)

Originally Posted by rei

i consider it quite a blessing that this was not the first response to my thread. if i had taken the risk to show my vulnerable self, the part of me that was needing that emotional support, and the first response was all about applying theory in an intellectual, non-emotional way - a way that also provides lipservice for the idea of validation while simultaneously suggesting things that would invalidate my understanding (which is pretty messed up i think, if you are only going to pretend to validate, don't say it in the first place, themaster - and, i understand some of the teachings you follow talk about validating an experience, but that obviously creates confusion sometimes, if you are going through the notion of validation in a ROTE way, without any genuine feelings of acknowledging someone's truth, as a mere process you have decided to use - that isn't really validation) - i would have been so deeply hurt by that that i might have taken months before i felt ready to ask for emotional support again.

See now your judging/invalidating.. I guess you figure you've got me all figured out on my validation scheme ehh..?? is it possible for me to validate your reality and your beliefs and yet still offer you a free'r more unlimited way to be?

And what would have happened rei if the first post would have been mine..?? you would have sunk into your shell because someone in the EXTERNAL reality abused you so.. wow.. really wow..

Because understand that reading my words from your perspective makes me EXTERNAL.. just as I'm reading your words and their external

You see if you were to say to me "master your a horrible person, that does nothing and helps no one" I wouldn't care and I wouldn't validate your statement as true for my reality.. but in this thread you just said you validate outside opinion’s above your own and that you need emotional support from others more than yourself.. that is quite the contradiction

Originally Posted by rei

whew, so very glad the previous responses were actually giving what i was asking for.

I'm so very glad you got what you asked for too.. however it would have been nice to see you a little more open or ignoring of the things you claim "you don't want"

If you don't wish to continue this conversation just don't respond.. and in that no one has one or lost a fight.. it just shows you are into your reality and things are just perfect and peachy for you.. but if you feel the need to respond.. maybe you should look into those reasons why you have to justify yourself.. because I don't need too

[rei]

limitation - i don't really care if you see statements of limitation in my posts. i think i basically say that to you every single time you do it. i don't subscribe to the view that i have to set aside all these so-called statements of limitation to ascend.

i think the process is more about releasing the barriers to aligning with unconditional love, and becoming at least 50% service-to-all in one's vibration. (note: i have love for you, even though your response pattern in these situations gets old to me, and since it has happened so much i don't have my usual level of patience - it becomes a broken record because you already know where i stand on this, yet you push anyway. that does not respect my right to have my own perspective, which i personally think is more important than any misguided attempts to save me from myself.)

guess what. i'm already an ascended master. i completed all the things i needed to do to get there, and now i am still around helping out to do my part for the shift. i ascended about three linear years ago.

if i needed to get ready to ascend, you would possibly have a point. but i don't. i'm there already, and as soon as i complete the ways i've decided to assist the collective in the shift, i'll be in the 5d version of earth. in the meantime, i choose to be here. in fact, i'm anchoring a 5d vibration for my geographic area, making it possible for the people of this entire state to have access to the post-shift reality.

i don't like to toot my own horn about this, or broadcast details about my level, because it usually seems quite pointless to do so, but your pushing me to do better to reach a goal that i've already reached has encouraged me to share this little detail. maybe now you'll keep the limitation comments to yourself, since it's a waste of your energy if i am already there. that is, of course, if your intention in making those comments is to help me with the shift.

i found it disrespectful that you continued to focus on the logical level when i clearly shared here to connect on the emotional level.

i also find it a little rude of you to point out that i'm seeking external support, when it's so rare for me to do that. it's not a constant thing. so yes, i admit i have trouble with someone telling a recovering perfectionist to be perfect. i'm human, even if i'm an ascended master, i'm still human for now (at least partially so). sometimes all the self-validation and self-support in the world doesn't become enough to meet the need. there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that, and having the courage to seek it from people who will be understanding. if it isn't a habit, then it's healthy.

your focus on the logic (side note: for someone who is constantly telling people not to EGO things, you are certainly focused on doing that yourself right now), and your apparent preference for offering the illusion of validation - while also saying, 'i acknowledge that, but my way is better' - those things conflict with my deep values and they cross my personal boundaries. i am speaking in terms of psychology here, not metaphysics.

so yes, i will respond to that, i will assert myself when that happens. if you want to frame it as me needing to get more spiritually advanced, that's your choice. but, as someone who knows i'm an ascended master, already aligned with Christ Consciousness (hey... Jesus also asserted himself when his boundaries were crossed), i think you're wasting your keyboard breath.

if you want to know more about the logic of this, i suggest you look elsewhere. telling me i need to work on myself, when you already crossed a boundary with me, doesn't exactly make me feel like giving you what you want. or, hey, since you're so caught up in the idea of internal truth, you could get those answers from within yourself.

and, no, i don't think this:

I've already respected it.. your the one that's off on a tangent..

is really true. your very first post here was infused with the logical side, wanting to offer a different perspective instead of offering a sense of support by meeting me within my own perspective. you did not start out with emotional support alone (the reason for this thread), you started out with using this post to talk about your own ideas about the topic, in an intellectual way (your longest contribution in that first post was about free will and getting trapped, which was more for your own desires than a response to my request). you used the request for emotional support and distorted it with your own goals, from the outset. you came in with an agenda, and normally that is fine, but your own agenda is conflicting with the agenda i had in creating this thread. and on top of that, you're judging me for having that agenda of wanting some emotional support. you may not agree with using the word "judgment" but highlighting my preference, for this particular situation, to connect with those in the external reality, and implying that is some kind of problem (the word "illogical") - you're judging without saying it's judgment.

and, i am normally a very balanced person. it normally takes a LOT to get me off my center. one example of what it takes, is an individual who continues pushing when i have clearly established my personal boundaries. this is not me overreacting and getting all feisty over nothing. this is me being assertive. and i continue because you aren't respecting that i am setting my boundaries here. my first response to you established my boundaries, and you kept pushing. i was polite and courteous, and you either didn't get the message or didn't care that i was setting a boundary. if i have said you are free to keep your truth, but don't keep pushing it at me, then you could respect my free will choice there. continuing to push your way on me is incredibly disrespectful. and yes, i will get feisty about it, because it also violates my sense of justice. it may be since you don't believe in morals, you don't believe in justice, but i'm not talking about morals. i'm talking about ethics.

[rei]

themaster, i wanted to thank you.

i do not think your approach of continuing with the same thing when you receive a message of assertiveness, is ultimately respectful.

however, that same approach is what led to me sharing my ascended status, in an exasperated attempt to get you to finally lay to rest the limitation policing.

i don't talk about that status much, at all. i don't think a spiritually advanced person has a need to discuss such things.

but stating it publicly has turned out to be beneficial for me. after that happened, i felt a strong sensation in my crown chakra. it's like, by avoiding the idea of saying where i am at through the energetic work i've done, i was denying the full level of love/light i have achieved (in one sense, i had access to it, but the conscious me who resisted owning this openly was resisting the full love/light as well), and because i chose to express that detail, things have changed.

i still think it is more effective to create understanding if we honor signs of assertiveness. i have still become tired of the limitation policing, especially since that's not such a big deal in my understanding of ascension.

but this interaction has led to something positive for me, so i wanted to thank you even if i think you could find more effective ways to communicate

[themaster]

Well, that's excellent

I have a 10,000 character post prepared I was just about to post.. but now I'll shutup unless you ask for it..

I love when people stop resisting and grow.. good for you!

(see feel the love?)

[rei]

Originally Posted by themaster

Well, that's excellent

I have a 10,000 character post prepared I was just about to post.. but now I'll shutup unless you ask for it..

I love when people stop resisting and grow.. good for you!

(see feel the love?)

haha... well, i didn't grow in the way you thought you were encouraging me to grow, but it's hunky dory anyway. my vision was clearer when i ran errands this afternoon, and i spontaneously didn't have the usual need to release environmental energy i usually take on during the day (no matter what methods i use to address that). instant results are cool.

i am serious about the policing though... hopefully now you can understand my logic in saying i don't need those reminders, as positive as the intention may be.

it is up to you, to post your other response or not. if you will respect my (psychoemotional) boundaries, i'm done enforcing them. if not, i may just not respond at all to comments like that, since the difference in our POVs has been established.

[Andrew Gubb]

Thanks darling, for everything you do for both me and others - thank you for helping our brothers and sisters

[rei]

Originally Posted by Andrew Gubb

Thanks darling, for everything you do for both me and others - thank you for helping our brothers and sisters

you're welcome - thanks for responding, Andrew
it was fun being called, "darling."

[themaster]

Well, just so we get something clear.. off the table.. you think my posts and talk about limitations is about helping people into "the shift" it's not actually (I see “the shift” as a natural progression for all so resistance too it is silly.. but that’s not my motivation that may be yours )

My only intention in any post is to help others and by law of attraction help myself.. you see if I want to help people there must be someone needing to be helped and we get drawn together.. if I make a call like "statement of limitation" I am merely placing a comment to give the person a opportunity to talk about it.. (it takes 2 to tango! ) that's all.. it's not meant to forcibly bring someone into my belief system or do things my way.. and I think that's what a lot of your text above was saying..

I only offer people my way and my methods cause that's all I know.. I don't invalidate other methods and ways of doing things.. and I would certainly tell anyone exploring my way and my methods to seek another one if it doesn't work/resonate for them..

As I have stated before there are so many statements of limitation on this forum.. that if I were to call everyone out it would take forever.. so I choose my battles

And there's a smaller key here.. I believe I have created or am getting a belief in place that says "No matter what I do, wherever I go.. I will always get a positive effect" so that even applies to my posts

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by rei

it was fun being called, "darling."

Lol

[OlderWiser]

rei, I read your post and took some time to digest it, as it were. I can certainly sense your pain and, I think, some exhaustion? Perhaps there is some way to do this without exhausting yourself. I don't know what it would be, but I think perhaps you might consider that and look to see how else you might conduct your spiritual... liasons, I guess (for lack of a better word).

In the meantime, thank you. I will admit freely that I don't understand the situation fully (I tried to, but I don't get it; it's okay, I don't have to), but you're a lovely person who deserves support in whatever she does, and you certainly have that from me.