Reincarnation Vs Communication with the dead

[KMD32]

Hi I've been reading Erin's blog for about four hours straight. Great Stuff!!

I was going to ask her this question but on her website it says she is not accepting anymore questions and to try the forum. So here I am.

Communicating with people I love that have already died is very interesting to me as recently I feel I have communicated with a dear friend that passed on in 2008.

My question is, does believing that you can communicate with someone who has passed on and believing in reincarnation "make sense" so to speak? Why would they still be there to communicate if they are already in another life?

I am trying to get it straight in my own mind as I believe in both reincarnation and communicating with people who have passed on.

I was just thinking that people are communicating with people that have been dead for many years, how does that "gel" with reincarnation?

For example if in my past life I was someones grandfather and they were trying to communicate with me but I am here in my "new" life. They may feel they are communicating with me but are they?



I hope this post makes sense if not I can try to clarify.
Thanks in advance for your opinions and insights If this has already been addressed please direct me to the post

[MiBeloved]

KMD32 wrote:

My question is, does believing that you can communicate with someone who has passed on and believing in reincarnation "make sense" so to speak? Why would they still be there to communicate if they are already in another life?


Response:

In terms of the body the deceased person used while living, there is really little or no change in the person. The person’s psychology continues intact after death of the physical body. So your connection with the person remains the same on the psychic plane of existence.

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KMD32 wrote:
For example if in my past life I was someones grandfather and they were trying to communicate with me but I am here in my "new" life. They may feel they are communicating with me but are they?

Response:
Their communication would depend on their psychic clarity. However if that person had a close relationship with you, that closeness would be there subconsciously and through it, there would be a sort of psychic pipe line into your mind.
Even if the person was not aware of your new body, still the person’s thoughts concerning you would reach you. That is something like a signal finding a particular cell phone in millions of such phone. Because of the frequency assignment of the phone, specific signals will reach it.

In the case of communication of someone with you if that person does not know that you took another body, or if that person was convinced that you were dead for good, still their communications about you would reach your mind and you, even without being aware of that, would react by thinking back in your mind.

[Cuddles444]

What if they coexist - for e.g. when you think of the person who died you may be thinking in the time frame when they were alive and so can still connect to that time even though the bigger part of them has moved on, reincarnated etc.

[MiBeloved]

Even if you shift into another time frame or if the other person does, the ideas which are sent out from the mind to reach the person will reach the person.

However when it hits that person’s mind it might be converted into another type of message. This is because the mind usually tampers with any information which penetrates it from outside. Unless one has a very clear mind with very clear psychic perception, one will see something distorted in the mind and will not even know that there was some distortion.

That means then that if it converts when the receiver sees it or becomes aware of the idea, in the mind, it will be different to what it was originally. That is a different matter but the transmission and reception will take place. Have no doubt about that.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by KMD32

Communicating with people I love that have already died is very interesting to me as recently I feel I have communicated with a dear friend that passed on in 2008.

My question is, does believing that you can communicate with someone who has passed on and believing in reincarnation "make sense" so to speak? Why would they still be there to communicate if they are already in another life?

Actually that wouldn't be a barrier to communication because (and this will go against the idea of a singular indivisible soul) we never incarnate 100% of our soul energy in one body. 100% would completely subjugate the drives of the body to the soul's will. This is not desirable because, spiritually, we come here for the back and forth contrast with our bodies vs. our "higher nature". You see, in this struggle there is growth. It's like lifting spiritual weights to learn to blend with your physical host. When you die, you have even more soul energy than you did before because of this.

Yes, that's right, your consciousness can temporarily divide itself and do multiple things at once.

A portion of your soul energy always remains in the spirit world and goes about its business there which involves learning, healing, and assisting its incarnated counterpart.

Also, your consciousness exists at many different frequencies at once. You have a Higher Self which exists outside of space and time which is always available for communication and guidance as well.

[KMD32]

Thanks for all the responses. I am finally "getting it" And if anyone has more to add please do

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by KMD32

Thanks for all the responses. I am finally "getting it" And if anyone has more to add please do

Time is irrelevent to those who have passed on. They exist in an experience in which all things are simulatneous. Reincarnation does not follow the same rules of "time" that we perceive.

My Soul is living all of its lives right now. The idea of this linear progession of events is simply a necessary illusion for our understanding of this experience.

[hal3000]

Originally Posted by MiBeloved

KMD32 wrote:

My question is, does believing that you can communicate with someone who has passed on and believing in reincarnation "make sense" so to speak? Why would they still be there to communicate if they are already in another life?


Response:

In terms of the body the deceased person used while living, there is really little or no change in the person. The person’s psychology continues intact after death of the physical body. So your connection with the person remains the same on the psychic plane of existence.

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KMD32 wrote:
For example if in my past life I was someones grandfather and they were trying to communicate with me but I am here in my "new" life. They may feel they are communicating with me but are they?

Response:
Their communication would depend on their psychic clarity. However if that person had a close relationship with you, that closeness would be there subconsciously and through it, there would be a sort of psychic pipe line into your mind.
Even if the person was not aware of your new body, still the person’s thoughts concerning you would reach you. That is something like a signal finding a particular cell phone in millions of such phone. Because of the frequency assignment of the phone, specific signals will reach it.

In the case of communication of someone with you if that person does not know that you took another body, or if that person was convinced that you were dead for good, still their communications about you would reach your mind and you, even without being aware of that, would react by thinking back in your mind.

so there is no degeneration or evolution involved as with physical evolution?

Let's say a person ends his or her live, will that person not benefit from that? Just like resetting a game.

[MiBeloved]

Hal3000 inquiry:

so there is no degeneration or evolution involved as with physical evolution?

Response:

For most spirits this is true but there are exceptions. For instance here in this life, most of us go through a radical learning process when we are committed to schools in infancy and youth, Then after that our education more or less comes to an end. We get a job and that is it. Some people continue learning to get graduate degrees, some learn a trade and go on improving but most people do not.

In the astral world one can learn but usually one does not because the environment there is sensually bewildering and one becomes distracted with sensual responses as the priority. We experience this during teen years after puberty when we become distracted with sex and other types of pleasures which enter the field of our perception at that time. You may recall how strong sex desire was in your teen years, where your mind only wanted to fulfill that and did not care for the education which society was trying to push into your brains.
But the main feature of the astral world is the lack of stability. In the physical existence we are at the end of the frequency of matter and so everything stays put in comparison to the astral existence which is based on light frequencies which are also a form of matter but which in comparison to the mineral kingdom is an erratic form.
But if you have an astral body which is stable at high frequencies, then you can progress further. Some people do have those bodies but most humans do not have that.

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Hal3000 inquiry:

Let's say a person ends his or her live, will that person not benefit from that? Just like resetting a game.

Response:
I am assuming that by ending a life, you mean suicide or the killing of one’s body. But ending a body does not mean ending or adjusting one’s psychology. To cause some difference on the astral plane one has to adjust or end one’s psychology. First of all even though we have the power to end a body, we do not have the power to end a psychology. There are some things that we can do and other things which are outside human range.

Even the spiritual self has limitation. The self cannot end itself. The psychology is not a physical phenomenon even though it is interspaced with a living physical body. Thus if you kill that body you are not going to kill the self and you will have to go on living in the astral world as is.

If I do not like my physical circumstance or become disgusted with certain people and then take my life, my action has only removed my physical presence as a physical body. It has done nothing else. I will still continue existing and I will still have to deal with all those other situations and persons on the psychic side of life.

Suicide, when used as an effective escape, is a thorough waste of time, because it does not remove the psychic sides of existence. In fact it only increases the person’s perception of that.

[Paulineabc]

According to some articles I read, we seem to be living parallel lives. Moreover, our souls are omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. So, even if you feel that you in your entirety are here leading a new life, you will still be available to someone in the past life.

[hal3000]

Originally Posted by MiBeloved

Hal3000 inquiry:

so there is no degeneration or evolution involved as with physical evolution?

Response:

For most spirits this is true but there are exceptions. For instance here in this life, most of us go through a radical learning process when we are committed to schools in infancy and youth, Then after that our education more or less comes to an end. We get a job and that is it. Some people continue learning to get graduate degrees, some learn a trade and go on improving but most people do not.

In the astral world one can learn but usually one does not because the environment there is sensually bewildering and one becomes distracted with sensual responses as the priority. We experience this during teen years after puberty when we become distracted with sex and other types of pleasures which enter the field of our perception at that time. You may recall how strong sex desire was in your teen years, where your mind only wanted to fulfill that and did not care for the education which society was trying to push into your brains.
But the main feature of the astral world is the lack of stability. In the physical existence we are at the end of the frequency of matter and so everything stays put in comparison to the astral existence which is based on light frequencies which are also a form of matter but which in comparison to the mineral kingdom is an erratic form.
But if you have an astral body which is stable at high frequencies, then you can progress further. Some people do have those bodies but most humans do not have that.

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Hal3000 inquiry:

Let's say a person ends his or her live, will that person not benefit from that? Just like resetting a game.

Response:
I am assuming that by ending a life, you mean suicide or the killing of one’s body. But ending a body does not mean ending or adjusting one’s psychology. To cause some difference on the astral plane one has to adjust or end one’s psychology. First of all even though we have the power to end a body, we do not have the power to end a psychology. There are some things that we can do and other things which are outside human range.

Even the spiritual self has limitation. The self cannot end itself. The psychology is not a physical phenomenon even though it is interspaced with a living physical body. Thus if you kill that body you are not going to kill the self and you will have to go on living in the astral world as is.

If I do not like my physical circumstance or become disgusted with certain people and then take my life, my action has only removed my physical presence as a physical body. It has done nothing else. I will still continue existing and I will still have to deal with all those other situations and persons on the psychic side of life.

Suicide, when used as an effective escape, is a thorough waste of time, because it does not remove the psychic sides of existence. In fact it only increases the person’s perception of that.

thank you for your clear reply. So if i'm right you can't progress if you don't have the right astral body? What sense would reincarnation make than?

[MiBeloved]

Hal3000:
thank you for your clear reply. So if i'm right you can't progress if you don't have the right astral body? What sense would reincarnation make than?

Response:
If one does not progress after leaving the physical body behind in this world and remaining in the astral world as a sort of ghost-being, then it does make sense that one should again get another physical form, since then one has to face challenges.

All the physical forms are beset with all sorts of challenges in relation to survival and procurement of food, so that alone is an impetus for action.

A spirit will keep reincarnating physically until it develops a superior instinct which tells it that something is screwed up in just repeating the history of birth, growth, maturity, reproduction, aging and then death. Then it will introspect and try to figure out the situation and that is where spiritual progress begins.

In any case it is not a matter of what anybody wants, because both the ordinary nature and supernatural nature have their own way of operation and will urge a spirit on in one way or the other.

We can only make use of the manifested opportunity which is available in the particular dimensions we find ourselves in. And our logic does not always fit in. Nor is reality caring much about our opinions.

[KaleidoskopicVision]

The Tibetan book of the dead describes several stages of death called 'bardos', through which the lifeforce passes through before being reincarnated. Upon death, we do not immediately reincarnate. Some never reincarnate. Others take years. It is also interesting to note that the fetus takes 49 days to show any traits of humanness. It is at the 49 day mark that the Tibetans believe reincarnation occurs after a soul has passed on. I don't necessarily agree, but it's interesting nonetheless.