psychic surgery

[amixa]

so whats the deal with this?
there's so much information about how its such a fraud.. (when i googled it)..

is it actually possible?
or its just been given a bad name because so many people have abused it..

if it can work then how?

i'm interested because the other day i had something weird happen to me. my friend developed a cyst on her wrist and i was quite tired and on the bus.. my mind started daydreaming as always and i imagined her cyst getting drained by a needle.. (which is one approach)

a couple minutes later i felt this pricking sensation where her cyst is on my own wrist.. i looked down and saw blood peering out from a prick in my skin!

[Tanemon]

Thanks for starting this topic of psychic surgery. I'm no expert on it - wish I were! But I do have over eight years' experience with doing Reiki.

I, for one, generally put less faith in hearsay than in what I have experienced 'up close and personal'. But I tend to believe that authentic psychic surgery does exist - partly on the basis of reading about it, but also because I've known two people who swore they got verifiable results from it.

I have one friend who had bad back trouble after a car accident. He'd had surgery, physiotherapy, the whole bit. Yet he was still in discomfort and often in pain. He got the problem cured in one session by a South American spiritual healer.

Another person I knew a little (the mother of a friend of mine) had emphysema - a result of many years of cigarette smoking. Oh, yes, she had tempted fate in that way. And that is sad and not very self-responsible. But she got this condition cured in a single session by a Philippine "psychic surgeon." The cure was confirmed in the X-rays and general exams her doctors made when she returned to Canada. The experience convinced her of the power of the spirit. It convinced her that higher orders of reality are a fact.

Because I knew these people personally, I felt inclined to take their stories pretty seriously. I say this even though I've never myself had the experience of providing healing at the level I've just described. Still, my mind is open.

But one way I look at it is as a parallel. It's like this: before I was attuned to Reiki, I really could not understand the mysteriously positive effect people claimed had happened in their general personal life after their own Reiki attunements. Nor could I have understood the routine improvements to general health frequently experienced by people after attunement to Reiki. Nor did I really have any sense of what it would be like to give a Reiki healing session to another person. But, after my attunement and subsequent practice of Reiki, I have personal experience with it - so I know, in a sense that I did not know before.

So, with respect to psychic surgery, I remain open to, and intrigued by, that which I have not yet experienced - including the possibility that there are healers who are channels or catalysts or have spirit allies for really miraculous cures.

[amixa]

ahhh i see.
i've been healed through energy means but never a physical thing to be removed from my body. (have their hand actually enter the inside of my body)
i guess i should think its possible because other things i never thought were real have proven otherwise..
thanks for the insight.
i'm skeptical of some things until i experience it for myself!

[Tanemon]

Originally Posted by amixa

i guess i should think its possible because other things i never thought were real have proven otherwise..
thanks for the insight.
i'm skeptical of some things until i experience it for myself!

Everyone has to decide for her/himself how open to keep one's mind.

Darcy, the guy that I mentioned who had his back cured by the Brazilian healer told me a bit more. Darcy said that immediately after the healer worked on him and cured his back problems, the healer told Darcy he could stay and observe some other people's sessions for a while if he wanted. So Darcy says he watched as the healer dealt with a person who had skin-cancer lesions. It was as though the healer literally picked these off the afflicted person's body, using his fingernail, one after another.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Tanemon

Darcy, the guy that I mentioned who had his back cured by the Brazilian healer told me a bit more.

You're referring to John of God?

He's quite famous. He's been featured in a Discovery Channel documentary and he allowed a Harvard scientist to study him by attaching electrodes to his head, while he did his channelling.

His brainwaves were quite normal at first, then the moment he started channelling. they shot up to a very high frequency, which the scientist said was just bizarre and should be impossible in a human being except possibly if the person was on psychedelic drugs.

As soon as John finished his channelling, his brainwave frequencies fell back down to normal.

[Tanemon]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

You're referring to John of God?

He's quite famous. He's been featured in a Discovery Channel documentary and he allowed a Harvard scientist to study him by attaching electrodes to his head, while he did his channelling.

Well, Darcy (my friend) was down there for his healing quite a few years ago. So I'm pretty sure it was some predecessor to John of God, and not J. of G. himself. But thanks for adding what you did in your post.

It's interesting that in different localities (Brazil, Philippines, and other parts of the world) there are healers who channel or work in a vein that is local to the place - similar from generation to generation.

[Arlina]

I hope this isnt off topic but could someone please explain to me the difference between energy healing such as reiki and psychic surgery? I have had experience with energy healing, even with healing physical ailments (nothing quite as extreme or cool as pulling cancerous lesions right out of the body) and am even starting to do it myself but I have never heard of psychic surgery before, is it the same thing?

[Tanemon]

Originally Posted by Arlina

I have had experience with energy healing, even with healing physical ailments (nothing quite as extreme or cool as pulling cancerous lesions right out of the body) and am even starting to do it myself but I have never heard of psychic surgery before, is it the same thing?

I don't think it's very similar. The capability with psychic surgery - when we're talking about a healer genuinely employing the approach, not a fraud - is to make actual immediate changes in the body's tissues. That is, to fix bones & cartilage, to remove tumors (not simply diminish pain associated with them, or reduce the tumor's size over a period of time), and so on.

Some people have used the term "psychic surgery" kind of fancifully or loosely in recent years: they claim that by visualizing certain things, and perhaps making a few motions of their hands, they are 'removing foul matter' (or some other such inapproprite stuff) from a person's subtle body, and that this will cure the person. But generally, at best, these procedures don't accomplish anything more than a common Reiki or Therapeutic Touch session does.

Now, having said that, I think it may be possible that a genuine psychic surgeon may have the wherewithall to actually repair or cure body tissues and, at the same time, to do some more ordinary energetic body work, too.

To my mind, it's all about what a healer can actually accomplish. Reiki, for instance, is good. I'm a Level III Reiki-ist. But there are probably a hundred-thousand like me, in North America - and there are far fewer true psychic surgeons, even in the world. They are still rather rare.