Astral dangers?

[Mayo]

By saying of many who experienced OBE it seems that the astral world is no less dangerous than this world, populated with astral wild animals, daemons, evil lost souls... Do we need also to learn active self-defense for astral world also??

Also when achieving OBE, had we risen the Kundalini within?

Can the astral OBE affect our mental health, or even kill our body?

Many questions here,..... (^_^)

[Erin Pavlina]

I spent some time learning astral defense after being attacked so much. I got to the point where I would actually go out with the intention of vanquishing evil. It was fun and gave me something to do when I was astral traveling.

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

I spent some time learning astral defense after being attacked so much. I got to the point where I would actually go out with the intention of vanquishing evil. It was fun and gave me something to do when I was astral traveling.

Is it easier to vanquish evil on the astral plane, as you can distinguish between evil and good, as opposed to the physical realm where it's very convoluted and you can't necessarily take justice into your own hands?

[Erin Pavlina]

Well, yes and no. Yes, it's easier to identify evil on the astral plane.

In the physical realm there are lower and higher vibrations, but I personally don't believe humans are evil. I think they can be very negative, selfish, hateful, mean, cruel even, but to me evil has more to do with conscious intention than with people who decide to do negative things because they are disconnected from Source.

[Bruce Achterberg]

Originally Posted by Mayo

By saying of many who experienced OBE it seems that the astral world is no less dangerous than this world, populated with astral wild animals, daemons, evil lost souls... Do we need also to learn active self-defense for astral world also??

Also when achieving OBE, had we risen the Kundalini within?

Can the astral OBE affect our mental health, or even kill our body?

Many questions here,..... (^_^)

Erin has already covered your astral self-defence question, and indirectly, your other questions as well (on her blog). If you haven't read the following articles already, they should give you some valuable info:

• Erin Pavlina’s Blog » Blog Archive » Astral Projection: The Basics Explained

• Erin Pavlina’s Blog » Blog Archive » The Dangers of Astral Projection

• Erin Pavlina’s Blog » Blog Archive » Invoking Jesus and God During Astral Experiences

• Ask Steve - Astral Projection

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Well, yes and no. Yes, it's easier to identify evil on the astral plane.

In the physical realm there are lower and higher vibrations, but I personally don't believe humans are evil. I think they can be very negative, selfish, hateful, mean, cruel even, but to me evil has more to do with conscious intention than with people who decide to do negative things because they are disconnected from Source.

I guess it would depend on the true nature of "evil" (in both humans as well as negative, low vibration beings) as well as how it came into existence in the first place (ie. whether it is a reflection of humans in some way and is created by us, or whether it is created in some other sort of way... personally, I’d be inclined to believe evil beings, and evil itself, exists to balance the system of “the universe”, which could mean that they are indeed created somehow by humans... a sort of negative energy residue if you will. I'm not implying that we cannot be without negativity/evil, but it would seem that if we are indeed the creators of it, it has something to do with our current type actions or lack thereof -- probably actions related to fear, resistance, and the like).

On that note, the answers to the above would also depend on ones beliefs about reality (ie. if you take a subjective approach, evil would be a by-product of your thoughts/belief, so you did indeed create evil, which could be the result of some sort of karmic balancing effect... an objective approach, and you have a whole new ball game).

I’m definitely not as experienced with the paranormal as you are, Erin (at least not in such a broad sense), but I personally don't see too much difference between an "evil" being and an "evil" human. The former seems to pray on people/beings for their energy due to their lack of a connection to Source, while the later can also do the same. Question is, can a human, and for that matter, a negative entity as well, ever be fully disconnected from Source? If “Source” is what we are at our core, it seems unlikely you can ever shut yourself off from it. Even if a negative being shuts him/her/itself from the conventional life-giving Source, it can still be connected indirectly by leeching from the energy of those who are connected.

It would seem that both parties (humans and evil beings) are trying to live the only way they know. I suppose the real question would be whether or not "evil" beings can be redeemed. Humans certainly can, so it seems it would make sense if other beings can as well. Generally in order to get cut off from something (ie. Source, assuming you can get cut off completely) you would have to first be connected to it (or so I imagine).

And if anyone is wondering how this is relevant to the thread, I believe it is relevant because having the knowledge of how evil/negative, low vibration entities/beings came existence and what it's/their true nature is will allow you to make intelligent and most importantly, accurate (and hence, effective/empowering) decisions about how to deal with any number of situations you may experience in the astral realm, including those that involve negative evil/negative, low vibration entities/beings. I don't pretend to have the answers to those questions, but I thought I'd throw a few thoughts & ideas out there for anyone who's interested. For some further reading on matters relating to what I brought up in this post, see below:

• Erin Pavlina’s Blog » Blog Archive » What is evil? Does evil truly exist?

• askTrina.com » Blog Archive » Evil (a long, but very interesting article written by Adam, one of the StevePavlina.com forum moderators)

• Erin Pavlina’s Blog » Blog Archive » The Reality of the Unreal (semi-related... the concept of what is and is not real and other mind-bending concepts which can be related to the idea of humans somehow "creating" evil and negative entities/beings)

• People and Subjective Reality (When Steve says "people" and "human beings" in this article, substitute it with "other beings and entities -- both positive and negative" and you're good to go)

• Subjective Reality Analogies (semi-related... a bit of info on perspective, which I believe is very much related to "evil" being, entities, and humans in the sense that in order to perceive something as "evil" you must also perceive its opposite. It also raises questions about whether or not the concept of "evil" is merely a result of perspective, something brought up in Adam's article that I linked to above)

[supertom]

I agree with Bruce Achterberg, to spirits like angels and even abraham i bet we look "evil" or "negative" but they help us which shows their level of awareness.

And doesnt killing evil spirits make you evil.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by supertom

And doesnt killing evil spirits make you evil.

Actually I'm not sure that they can be killed, I think that they just move to another form or plane of existence. And the thing that I have found that repulses them the most is projecting love at them, I know it sounds so corny and cliched but if one comes across an negative entity then try to imagine them as their long lost friend or close family member and projects that love as sincerely as possible then they get the most disgusted look on their ugly little faces and flee. I've done it heaps of times when they have visited me at night and they step back a good distance of ten or so metres and watch for hours never coming any closer, they are just so repulsed by it it makes me want to do it over and over. After a while they realised that I wasn't afraid of them and only tried their tricks in my dreams where they have more power over us but even then and now I retain some lucidity and always fight. Its a novel approach that I learned from reading a book by Stuart Wild and it works for me.

[supertom]

I remember buddha saying you can be reborn into a lower level "hellish creatures". But i think its cause that their sooo "far" away from light "god".

Or its like me going into the forest im gonna get attacked by wild animals not cause they're evil buts its the way nature works.

[ChefSalad]

Bruce, your asktrina link has been replaced by linkwhore's fax machine ad page. Just thought you'd like to know.

[Power]

I haven't had much astral projections in the last year or two because I haven't personally been trying to project.

I've never really tried to protect myself before I project and I just simply go ahead with it. I just personally believe within myself that nothing can harm me and that I have total control of myself and would never let any other entity to take control because I don't belong to them and that they don't own me, mind you their presence can be very intimidating at times.

I have had my encounters with a few negative forces. I just simply yell at them and tell them to go away and that I don't like their presence. You have to yell with conviction and with a high sense of authority. If you ever tried to intimidate someone and you succeeded, that form of energy is the type of energy you have to project when you do meet some entities that makes you feel uncomfortable.

[moonfish]

Hiya, I've been experimenting with Astral Projection for nearly thirty years and in that time I have had some weird and wonderful experiences, but have never experienced anything dangerous. I believe that danger only arises if you are not of a sound mental disposition. If you believe that there could be danger then there could be...I guess it's like the Law of Attraction and how you perceive reality determines what shapes it.

Rob