Can guide "mislead" you in order to help you?

[seeker5]

Well, not really "mislead" you, but say that you are ready to do something because they feel that when you feel ready for something and start working for it, then you'll end up much better off then if you didn't feel ready - regardless of whether you actually do that?

I know that sometimes the guide communicate that a person should take an action, knowing the action would fail, that way the person can then move on. But here, I mean the guide communicates that a person should try the action, and by simply trying the action, the person grows in the intended fashion without actually succeeding in the action.

For a concrete example of what I mean - can the spirit guides communicate to someone that they are ready for a career now, that they should focus on that instead of continuing school, is it possible they meant that because it would help the person go through a number of personal growth exercises that they wouldn't otherwise have gone if they were in mind to continue school? That is, the guides didn't believe the person would start a career now, but just felt that if the person believed they were to start a career it would help them grow in the manner they need to grow?

[Dreamline]

I think that is the reason that it is always recommended to detach from outcome. You will get so attached to the end result, you may deceive yourself into thinking you are being guided in a particular direction and sometimes the direction your higher self tries to send you in is really roundabout and not linear. In fact, I would bet that 99% of the directions you will be sent in, no matter what the manifestation, will be non-linear or defy logic.

Jennifer

[Anna Conlan]

Hi Seeker,

I think as Jennifer says, a lot of the spiritual guidance we get is not about the outcome.

For example, if on a soul-level you want to create a new business, it's because you want to experience the growth from that, NOT solely for the desired outcome of having the successful business. Spiritually, you care more about the journey and the expansion that happens because of it, not the destination.

And sometimes it can look like your Higher Self or Spirit guides are 'misleading' you, when really it's more a case of you being attached to outcomes when spirit is not.

[Nex]

Your guides will guide you by any means necessary.

[MyEyeIsOpen]

I'll answer with a question: could a [human] mentor mislead you for your own good?

[codenamesmiley]

I have to totally agree with Anna in this one.

I have had guides mislead me or confuse me, just because NOT knowing the outcome proved detrimental to a lesson I was to experience and learn from, while going thru the motions of a situation....knowing the outcome would have had me behave or react differently altogether, and would have robbed me of lessons that were so necessary in my growth.

It happened to me during a really tough period of my life...where everything was spinning out of control. My lessons were in patience and forgiveness. (Two things that I now realize; required certain trials and tribulations, to acquire.)

Had I known the outcome, I would NOT have embraced the lessons within. I would have slept at night, and remained the same person I was when I asked. I am ever so thankful to my guides for not interfering or giving me the "easy out".

It is our human responsibility to SEE the big picture for ourselves...and allow our guides to assist us, when it is necessary. It is NOT our human right to have a guide hold our hand thru every single step of every process and help us to cheat our way thru an experience. They are there to guide....not do all the work for us.

Blessings,
Rebecca

[seeker5]

Thank you all for your answers. I've read them several times.

Jennifer/Dreamline - you're right, I am very attached to the outcome, and I'm having a hard time letting go of my attachment to the outcome I want in this case.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by seeker5

I am very attached to the outcome, and I'm having a hard time letting go of my attachment to the outcome I want in this case.

You know that what other people call guides, I would call the unconscious mind, and it's all the same thing as far as I'm concerned -- all part of the One.

And isn't it interesting that lately you have taken deliberate steps to get consciously in rapport with your unconscious mind -- and also, I think, consciously in rapport with your guides? Again, I think it's all the same thing, and what I'm asking you is, does it feel like you are preparing, with all this deliberate rapport work, to allow yourself a major shift in perspective?

The thing about perspective shifts is that you can always shift to another perspective, or back to the old one, so there's no real risk involved; but it definitely can feel so scary that it takes your breath away. And then again, maybe you would like to deliberately transform that fear into excitement.

It sounds as if you are setting up a safe support system, kind of like having the fire department set up a cushion 30 stories down, or arranging for a host of angels to support you from all sides, or making sure that your trapeze harness is buckled up and the guy is holding tight to the rope, so that this scary thing you're looking at in your life -- letting go of attachment to this outcome -- is manageable. That's great -- that's smart!

I congratulate you, am cheering you on, and am exhilarated by you!

[pyrogen]

Yes.

A guide can.

That's all.

Ask anyone else who works with Traveler (which may only be *my* name for him).

I'll talk about him more at some point, because I have now met about 10 people who have dealt with the same entity - when I describe the image in my mind of him, they even report the same things. This is double blind, btw. Imagine a guy with a quirky smile, broad-brimmed hat, and frequently, tattered cloak. I've imagined a ring of keys and a compass hitched to his belt, as well.

They all report the same vision. I've also double-blinded conversations with him between myself and the other friend that worked with him.

[pyrogen]

What else -

A guide can even direct you through *other people*. I can't tell you how many times somebody showed up in my life to help or direct me, who turned out to be another acolyte/pupil (?) of Traveler. I usually feel a sense of kinship with his other pupils. We tend to all have the same values and often report feeling strongly about the same things - I realize (crazily enough) that I was recently involved with someone who could easily have been one of his pupils, at least subconsciously. The resemblance between the two of them was outright uncanny. Of course, I have been asking Traveler for help with finding a "traveling companion".

Very few are this powerful though. I would say most of what we think of as guides, are thoughtforms/egregores/subconscious voices and archetypes - that is, I thought this before I met Traveler. And met all these other people who have met him.

It's possible that he's something different from a standard issue guide, but I'll make another post about him.