Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming through Binaural Beats?

[KazeCraven]

Just thought I'd pose the question whether anyone on this forum has had success with using a binaural beats program to facilitate getting lucid dreams or in getting their first astral projection. This experience is very important to me, so I'll be buying both audio and written sources to help me with this. I just wanted to know if there were any sources recommended by this community before I go handing out value points for stuff.

Also, if you have had great success with another program, audio or not, that did not include binaural beats, I'd like to hear thoughts about that too. Right now I'm looking at getting a product from either astralprojectiontravel.com, unexplainable.net, and/or the lucid dreaming kit.

[Angela]

Hi there, and welcome to the forums. I will be building an audio file, probably 30 minutes long, of brain entrainment, binaural or other beats (I've been reading about some others that are more effective), and paraliminal hypnosis. I'll share it with you when it's complete. Would you like any special suggestions in there that I can address specifically to you? Other than those, I'll just be using some general lucid dreaming suggestions.

Originally Posted by KazeCraven

Just thought I'd pose the question whether anyone on this forum has had success with using a binaural beats program to facilitate getting lucid dreams or in getting their first astral projection. This experience is very important to me, so I'll be buying both audio and written sources to help me with this. I just wanted to know if there were any sources recommended by this community before I go handing out value points for stuff.

Also, if you have had great success with another program, audio or not, that did not include binaural beats, I'd like to hear thoughts about that too. Right now I'm looking at getting a product from either astralprojectiontravel.com, unexplainable.net, and/or the lucid dreaming kit.

[ferrariguy]

The Gateway Experience HemiSync program is quite interesting. It uses binaural beats and verbal instructions to help train you to astral project on your own. It's a comprehensive and long course, so maybe just starting out with the first section would be an idea.

If you do some googling about it, there are many people giving in depth reviews on it.

For what its worth I have not managed to get out of body yet, but I also haven't progressed through the program very far. Your post has enticed me to give it another shot tonight!

Cheers.

[KazeCraven]

Hi Angela.

Right now I'm just trying to figure out ways to lucid dream and astral project. I know some of the basics like reality checks and setting intentions, and relaxation. I've also heard about trying to "mind travel" to prepare for astral projection, but it uses a great deal of visualization, which I personally dislike/have trouble with.

As far as personal suggestions, I do not know of anything particularly effective, but I would be interested in this product of yours.

I'll have to check into this HemiSync thing too.

[BillPerry]

Back when I still used the Brainwave Generator, I made a "preset" for that which was successful in inducing lucidity for most of the people who tried it.

I don't use BWG anymore really, except for a few rare things that my current software won't do. I am porting my LD Preset over to a new product now that will basically be a special version of my "Sleep" MP3, which is at www.************/SleepMP3

I'm basically taking the Sleep MP3 and adding some special entrainment signals to it to reactivate consciousness during REM.

[KazeCraven]

I ordered an astral projection and a lucid dreaming binaural beat Mp3 from Unexplainable.net. Not much has happened in the past few days I used it, and I fear that it's not going to work at all. I'll try it for about another week, but the only thing I succeeded in doing so far is in making a few of my fingers fall asleep due to not moving for so long.

The fact that Erin Pavlina tried to astral project for three years with no success makes me believe that trying to jump right into astral projection is inherently impossible for a non-psychic like me. And beliefs are pretty big when it comes to stuff like this.

Bleh.

[pickledonion12]

I have tried binaural beats to induce astral projection and although I have had very strange sensations using them, they have not induced astral projection. I used the one sold at the unexplained store. Good luck!

[floating upstream]

I've been interested in brainwave entrainment (BWE) for a couple of years now. I started out with Holosync. HS, like Hemisync uses binaural beats to establish BWE, but that's only one way to induce it. I've seen quite a few CD's that claim to induce lucid dreaming, astral travel, etc., but only one person has said in a blog post that BWE actually worked for astral travel and even they weren't sure. I've had a few lucid dreams with BWE, but they haven't been as memorable as the few I've had naturally. I have theories about why this might be so, but they're only theories, so I won't waste your time with them.

I've had some interesting and valuable experiences with BWE, including total loss of body awareness, "thoughtless" awareness (like being conscious in deep sleep, I suppose), and some other stuff, but I'm not sure BWE itself is powerful enough to take the next step. Perhaps, though, more disciplined use of particular frequencies would do the trick.

The best website by far for information about BWE is Transparent Corporation. I bought the Neuroprogrammer2 Pro and it's been well-worth the $60 - that's more than I can say for any of the other BWE products I've purchased. If nothing else, reading their free information will help you make a more informed decision.

[dartagnanh]

I have used bwgen too a few years ago when I was just starting my interest and research on brainwave entrainment. I even submitted a couple of presets myself under the 'astral projection' category. It's called 'Deep Bubble' and 'Deep Bubble 1' presets. As it is made with bwgen, it's purely binaural. Most users who tried the preset report the same thing I experienced using it. I have not really accomplished astrally projecting with the preset but it did allow me to feel the swaying sensations, see flashes of images, felt floating sensations, etc. - the pre-projection symptoms. A therapist found it useful to calm his patients and bring them down to beneficial levels of mind effortlessly.

Experience-wise, I prefer using isochronic beats now because they seem to have a stronger and firmer effect on me. I can add music to it without ruining the entrainment process.

Try to do a lot of exhaustive research before buying a product, because there are a lot of scammers out there whose products never really deliver their promises.

[floating upstream]

Originally Posted by dartagnanh

I have used bwgen too a few years ago when I was just starting my interest and research on brainwave entrainment. I even submitted a couple of presets myself under the 'astral projection' category. It's called 'Deep Bubble' and 'Deep Bubble 1' presets. As it is made with bwgen, it's purely binaural. Most users who tried the preset report the same thing I experienced using it. I have not really accomplished astrally projecting with the preset but it did allow me to feel the swaying sensations, see flashes of images, felt floating sensations, etc. - the pre-projection symptoms. A therapist found it useful to calm his patients and bring them down to beneficial levels of mind effortlessly.

Experience-wise, I prefer using isochronic beats now because they seem to have a stronger and firmer effect on me. I can add music to it without ruining the entrainment process.

Try to do a lot of exhaustive research before buying a product, because there are a lot of scammers out there whose products never really deliver their promises.

I prefer the isochronic beats as well. On the transparent site, many posters like to use LED glasses. Visual entrainment is meant to be the most effective. Interesting about the pre-projection symptoms. I often get those, but then my legs begin to twitch uncontrollably and bring me back to body awareness. Ever have that happen?

I recently wrote a blog post about my experience trying psychometry. It started with a guided meditation meant to induce a predominantly theta brainwave state. Can't prove that without an EEG, but the experiment worked. It's on my Postcards from Cambodia blog, if anyone's interested.

[KazeCraven]

How can one particular binaural beat track induce a specific state of being? I'd return these mp3's I've been using from unexplainable.net, but it isn't worth the hassle for the price imo. I have Holosync too, so I'm just going to stick with that. I haven't had any particularly amazing states of being with it, but it does help with overall awareness.

So I guess with the past few weeks I've been trying it, I'd have to say that astral projection doesn't yield itself to just a few trials of binaural beats.

[floating upstream]

I've found pretty much the same thing. I also go back to Holosync, partly because I already paid for it through level 2 and partly because it has a generally soothing effect and the occasional interesting peak experience.

Personally, I think in general terms, alpha and theta are states that make OBE's, psychic experiences (remote viewing, telemetry, etc) possible, but that a CD alone won't guarantee it. The few people I've known who astral project regularly experience an intense magnetic resistance (that's how they describe it - as magnetic) before they are able to detach from their bodies. Being in the correct brainwave state (let's say theta, for arguments sake) is only the beginning.

When we're talking about brainwaves, we often leave out the LACK of bw's in the near-death experience. I'm not suggesting we all do as they did in the movie Flatliners (induce temporary brain death), just that I think there's another step to take.

The research that "proves" that astral projection is just an hallucinatory state bases that conclusion on right brain (angular gyrus, Sylvian Fissure, temporal lobe - take your pick) stimulation or trauma. The researchers all seem to have an intensely Newtonian worldview and are anxious to disregard the obvious limits of the findings. In neurological terms, that means they are left brain dominant. "Hemisync" and "Holosync" get their names from the idea that we need more hemispheric balance (right/left brain).

[KazeCraven]

Oh that makes sense; the brain state is just the gateway. I use Holosync because I've already paid for the whole thing, and I haven't ever regretted it. That doesn't mean I haven't missed a few days, but I do it regularly.

So theta is the state for astral projection? Is delta just good for the "deep change" in perspective and outlook on life? I had heard that alpha was good for concentration and that theta was for dreams, but I never knew which was for astral.

I am still pretty left-brain dominant, but I'm doing my best to develop my intuitive, emotional side. Silly researchers and their "proof"

[floating upstream]

I said, "for argument's sake" - some say alpha, some say theta and one said delta. I had a grand theory of the whole thing until I read that infants operate in a predominantly delta state and that theta and alpha predominance are linked with depression. In other words, it's complicated and no one seems to really know all the answers, though some claim to.

The idea that we are literally magnetically stuck to our bodies fascinates me. When I was young I used to have what I called "roaring dreams." I'd feel an intense vibration in my head that grew and grew. Part of me wanted to let go and see what happened, but part of me was afraid and I'd shake myself awake. I told my mother (I was probably about 10) and she asked our family doctor who told her that I would go mad if I didn't shake it off. I was too young to question his authority. Many years later I met someone who astrally projects easily and she said that was exactly how it happened when she started to spontaneously project. Later it got easier, but at first it felt like her body was trying to hold her in. She visualized herself kicking her way out of her body and when she did, the roaring stopped and she found herself freed from its grip. She never had any trouble returning to her body when she wanted to. She was really pissed off about my family doctor's advice and said she'd met many people who had been told the same thing by their doctor, shrink or other authority figure.

[KazeCraven]

whoops, I missed the "for argument's sake" part.