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05-18-2009, 10:29 PM
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 |  Becoming doubtful--looking for guidance to find guidance!
Hello all, I have very recently begun researching things such as the paranormal. The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot really got things rolling for me. Unfortunately, I have yet to experience ANY, positive or negative, spiritual, paranormal or anything beyond this "reality". I have been trying to contact my higher self, and I can't seem to do it. I WANT to believe that everything I have read or heard is true, but it is hard without having an experience of your own. Are there any good contacts people know about? Whether it be a shaman, hypnotherapist, or whatever you have used! I truly do want to connect to this part of my life, I am just having trouble finding that it does exist! Thank you. |
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05-19-2009, 02:30 AM
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My experience with the paranormal has been that it can generally be explained by normal physical means as well as some form of paranormal means. The experiences I'm confident are paranormal are those which seem unlikely to have happened due to mundane means. The point I'm making here is that I don't think it's likely you'll find an experience that definitively proves the paranormal to you, but that it's more likely you'll grow into it as you have more and more experiences, and the buildup of all of them makes it seem unlikely they were all coincidences. That said, I'm going to point you in a direction now that I think will help you have some kind of experience: Psipog's Article Section. I recommend starting with Psi Balls as a confidence booster, since they seem pretty easy for most people to get some results with and provide some kind of physical feeling. Just be aware that results doesn't necessarily mean seeing it (though if you do see it, those are awesome results), most likely you'll only feel something. Once you've done that, you can move on to other exercises there, or go back to trying the things you've already been trying. Personally, I've had very little luck in contacting spirit guides or my higher self, in that I can never tell if I'm talking to a guide or just myself, which is why I'm recommending an alternative exercise for you to experience something before moving back to what you're trying now. One final point: while you may want to believe everything you've read or heard, I'd advise that's a bad idea. It's a good way to get sucked into believing things that actually aren't true. Instead, consider just looking without being attached to an outcome, so you can find what you think is most likely to be true instead of getting swept away by whatever anyone says about the paranormal. After all, not everyone dealing in the paranormal is honest, and it's easy to fool people who are too willing to believe. |
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05-19-2009, 02:32 AM
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05-19-2009, 02:53 AM
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What is it you want to do.. what excites you? Are you stepping over from LOA?? or do you even know what that is?? if you cannot see LOA is real why can't you just take the next step and allow that more information is true.. as I say.. if everything is planned (which is what LOA can teach you) then??????? As for practical suggestions.. I would think talking with a channeled entity might be the easiest way to go.. There are some spoon bending classes out there.. if you'd like to see that.. Speaking of which I'm sure there's classes for channeling, astral projection, meditation and just about anything you can think off.. care to search for yourself? | |
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05-19-2009, 07:09 PM
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Thank you all for the replies-- Flos--I used to take Isshinryu karate when I was younger. I forgot we practiced psiballs! I never had much luck with it but I will surely try again now that I am more open to the idea. Magic--ty for the suggestion--i will edit this after I have read that post. themaster-- LOA?? I know i am a noob in this field! haha. I will surely look into that as well. I will also edit this after I find out more. Thanks for the replies --i will keep you guys posted on my progress and thank you for the help--i hope to be able to return the help to the community when I am more developed. |
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05-22-2009, 04:02 AM
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becoming even more doubtful! it appears the more i research this the more i find there is nothing down the black hole. i have been looking for some sort of personal evidence--whether it be seeing or feeling. i can't seem to find anything. from a skeptical point of view this all seems like fantasy and mind tricks. i am looking for something that can show me that its more than just that. can anyone help give myself some proof? |
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05-22-2009, 03:13 PM
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One... Did you ever you lose say your keys, and you looked so hard, and you could not find them. Then finally you just go so frustrated you stopped looking, only to look down and there they are... Why did that happen, because you were looking so hard, and so intently, that you could not see that they were right there all along... Two... What I like to call Spirit of Dissernment, know what is good and what is not good... When I was young, even until my late teens, I was very gifted as a psychic. I knew things, friends would actually come to my house to ask me things (important things not if johnnie like them or not) no important things, and I could honestly answer them... And my answers would just about always come back as correct... It was about this time I started to mess around with the Ouiga Board, big mistake, why for one don't mess w/that thing... two, and more importantly I had not learned dissernment. I would assume I was communicating w/someone or something that was positive, but then I had a very frightful experience, and from that time, I totally dismissed all of my abilities... Not until now, and I am 42, do I even consider my abilities just so slightly... My point is this, even w/my experience, and my belief and my faith, I am not to the point that I even try to communicate w/my what I call Guardian Angels or other call Spirit Guides.... Why I need to learn more dissernment... You need to strengthen yourself before you can move on... Trust me it is there, I have seen proof, but you need to be patient, and don't question yourself so much. Just perhaps if you weren't so hard in searching, and just relax, and you will see your sign, when your are truly ready... Just my opinion... Last edited by cheropride; 05-22-2009 at 03:44 PM. |
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05-22-2009, 08:02 PM
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well--i can see what you saying. i may even listen to ya =) i think for now ill stick with meditating. been doing it every day and whether its a mind trick or not--i definitely feel at ease. so i guess ill stick with that for now =) |
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05-22-2009, 08:36 PM
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Mediation if any thing is good for the Mind - Body & Soul.... I wish could right now but my son and his body and running around like mad men....LOL Best wishes, we are all searching, for me it more spiritual than anything, it's like something rising up inside me, and it's good thing... Everyday is a journey, so enjoy the ride...  |
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05-24-2009, 03:13 AM
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Try the article How to Prove Psychic Abilities Are Real over at A Little Weird. The first set of links is all research. It's pretty dry reading, but it doesn't require you to have an experience to see some encouraging results. The second set of links is a bunch of places with ideas on how to experience psychic abilities, but it sounds like you aren't interested in trying that route at the moment. If I'm wrong, those links are there as well, if not, the first set might be what you're looking for. Also, I can certainly see how psychic abilities could seem like a bunch of mind tricks from some viewpoints. I still hold that viewpoint sometimes. It really is hard to tell, and I still doubt too. Doubt is good, as it keeps you from being hooked in by dishonest people who make claims they can't back up. Just be open to change if you find something that supports a view different from your own. This isn't to say anything anyone has said or provided should make you change your mind of course, just asking you remain open to the possibility if you find the right evidence. In the meantime, perhaps the link I provided will have what you're looking for, perhaps it won't. In any case, good luck with your search if you continue it, and with your other pursuits either way. | |
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05-24-2009, 03:46 AM
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trust me on this...Ive had more magic than I can shake a stick at and what I am saying is the key to generating what you want... beleive | |
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05-24-2009, 04:30 AM
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Belief in psychic abilities isn't strictly necessary. What seems to be necessary is the belief in the possibility that they are real. If you don't think they could possibly be real, then it's very difficult to put the effort in anything you attempt, which makes it very difficult to get results. In addition, I've found that the key seems to be more in the area of not trying to force it. Let abilities happen instead of trying to make them happen. It's a hard distinction to get until you've done it, but it makes a lot of sense once you've got something to happen. Basically, if you're straining, you're probably doing it wrong. If you're trying to force something to happen, you're probably doing it wrong. If you're calmly expecting something to happen, you're probably on the right track. I read a good analogy on Psipog's old forums, before they switched to the new one that's currently archived. Basically, think about the feeling of expectation you get after a lightning strike. You know thunder is coming, even if you aren't sure when. If you get this feeling from what you're attempting, you're likely doing something right. | |
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05-24-2009, 04:43 AM
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yes letting it happen is a part of it....that's called flow.... so know...and then flow.... you are not going to attempt trying or seeing something if you do not hold some possibility in experiencing or seeing it...so belief is always first...the more you resonate belief in something, the more you open your self to receiving it...its basically LOA. Our experience and our creations are all formed on belief/faith..its how we create, and wanting to experience magic is no different....belief in it first...then allow it in... |
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05-24-2009, 02:29 PM
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But if all of these had proof, then it wouldn't be paranormal, it would be.... normal. Yes? I remember watching a documentary called Einstein's Big Idea, the history behind E=mc squared and the idea of kinetic energy being squared actually had to be fought for long before Einstein was born. I remember the dramatization of Emilie du Chatelet being hounded by another scientist, who was shouting, in an exaggerated French accent, "Eet iz a step backward! Eet iz occult!" But with proper experimentation, that is, doing the same thing over and over just to see the results, du Chatelet was able to prove that a moving object had so much more energy than the more famous minds declared. So, I would advise practice with an open mind, and specifically advise exploring Lucid Dreaming, because Stephen LaBerge had just as hard a time breaking down the presumptions to show that it could really happen, but he did prove it in the end so that's a good place to start. Of course, Robert Monroe... YouTube - #1 Monroe's Out-of-Body (OBE) Paranormal Transformation of Human Consciousness  I love this video. He talks like a grandfather "...that was back in 1955, when we were deciding on radio, or radio with pictures-- that was television back then. Then, in the year of 1958, I had this great terrifying experience of moving out of my body. And, ehh, that was the final thing of something that had begun a year or so before that time. Kids these days, always askin' for proof like you can get proof in five seconds!" All right, I just stuck that last part in, but I read that he wasn't looking to prove anything, and he didn't really have much to gain by saying he had this strange experience. It satisfies my inner source-checker. Last edited by Albalida; 05-24-2009 at 02:33 PM. |
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05-24-2009, 07:40 PM
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i appreciate all the advice flos-your last link definetly helped me and set me on a new path--i will surely check this link out as well. don't get me wrong--i will give this a shot for as long as my patience will allow me to. I think the issue that i have is paranormal back prior to almost 1990 was basically word of mouth. the technology we have today i would think would make the paranormal -normal--. i know if i had PK ability--i would be gathering as many people as i could to show it to them! let scientists inspect me to show its not magic--do anything i can to spread the word that our minds haven't even been touched in their potential. i would especially want to meet other PKs and see what kind of abilities you could make in groups. anyway ill edit this after i read those articles--dont have time right now hopefully tonight. thanks again |
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05-29-2009, 04:10 PM
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Rdubya, I'm glad you found the last link helpful. It was my second online stop on my journey into the paranormal, and also the one that has probably had the largest impact on me in terms of what I've learned online. As far as the paranormal becoming normal, I think if you dig enough, you'll find that people studying or interested in the paranormal is normal now. The problem is that most of us are afraid of being labeled crazy, because most of what we do can't be reliably demonstrated to the point where it's undeniably something psychic. So, claim you have magic powers, and you'll be shunned is the mindset a lot of people have. To a degree, this is true, as many people will think you're crazy if you make this claim. The thing is, there are many more people who believe, but the minority who thinks we're crazy keeps many of us silent unless we have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind. The truth is though, I know more people who are interested in the paranormal than not, and very few who are outright against the idea. It's just a matter of time until social norms adapt, but my experience shows they're already starting to buckle a bit. I imagine it will be accepted in my lifetime, though I'm less sure that there will be any more proof than we have now. Time will tell on both of those points though. As far as the PK demonstrations, that does seem to be the holy grail of beginner psychics. I've been there, and I still think it would be really cool to be able to do. However, I've moved on from PK for now, as it feels like the absolute hardest thing to learn, and I'll get back to it later when I'm satisfied with my progress in other areas. Some people have stuck with it though, and made it the first thing they learn, so it's not impossible (unless they were dishonest, but, oddly enough, I trust most of them even though I only knew them online). If that's your goal, power to you, just be prepared to work for it and deal with frustration if you don't get it right away. Also, I believe that there have been PK demonstrations in controlled settings, with the most famous being by Nina Kugalina. I don't know if they are true or not, but they are the most commonly cited, so that might be a good place to start looking if you want to see studies of PK. |
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