What is the point of Guardian Angels?

[akbarhome]

Hi,

With spirit guide, you could have another insight or alternative wisdom source. You ask should I break from my relationship, should I move from my job, and blablabla. Your spirit guide answer them. I get it.

But what is the point of guardian angels? Some kind of bodyguard? So, when you meet someone who want to rape you. You shout "help" to your guardian angels. Suddenly cops are showing up. Is that the point of guardian angels?

Erin Pavlina had wrote about how to contact spirit guides. But how do we contact guardian angels?

And, I am just curious. I will not do it. I know archangels are busy. But how do we contact them?

[Capstan]

Not all angels are right-minded. Some angels will actually try to do you harm. It's important that you exercise judgement and test any advice you are given, from whatever source, spiritual or human, including mine. Your own heart is the best source of guidance.

[Anna Conlan]

Angels will never do harm. If they're doing harm, they are not angels.

Angels are there to serve humankind. There are angels who dedicate themselves to healing, protective angels who watch over us, angels who bring peace and love, angels who help you with your work or with certain projects.

They can also give guidance and insights - I know a lady who gets messages from people's angels, instead of their guides.

[Capstan]

Originally Posted by Anna Conlan

Angels will never do harm. If they're doing harm, they are not angels.

Angels are there to serve humankind. There are angels who dedicate themselves to healing, protective angels who watch over us, angels who bring peace and love, angels who help you with your work or with certain projects.

They can also give guidance and insights - I know a lady who gets messages from people's angels, instead of their guides.

Don't kid yourself. Angels have free-will, just like us. Don't forget, you too will be an angel one day, and you will not be a slave. Liberty is the supreme gift the Creator has given to men and angels, whereas hell is not a creation of God, but of those, including angels, who have chosen the wrong way.

What I'm saying is, if you communicate with a spirit, don't automatically assume its intentions are good. Angel or devil, you must think for yourself, or risk being misled. Whatever a spirit may say to you, you should regard it merely as advice, and not a command, and use your own God-given judgement.

[Old Soul]

I recently had a visit in a dream from an Angel ( at least I believe it was an Angel)

This Angelic being was holding my daughter, only in the dream my daughter was a baby,
My daughter is actually 24 yrs old, In the dream this Angel is very very tall, I am standing directly at eye level with the Angels folded arms... I am elevated off the ground

I look down ( seems like way down) and I see a bunny rabbit, it is just sitting there in the grass , content ..... The angel being was all greyish hallowed, in that there was no vibrant colors, however the ground where the bunny was it was green grass and the bunny was brown

My daughter use to raise rabbits when she was little, she just loved bunnies!


Now... I think why did i have that dream? , the thing was I was worried about my daughter prior as she had a severe bladder infection, after the dream I learned that she has to go to a Eurologist.... and the infection is now cleared up , still she has to see a specialist

I believe I the dream was a message to me "She is going to be just fine".... :-))

I forgot to mention, I did not seek out a spirit or help or Angel guidance... the dream just came to me
I do think this Angel did come to me to comfort me

[Anna Conlan]

Don't kid yourself. Angels have free-will, just like us. Don't forget, you too will be an angel one day, and you will not be a slave. Liberty is the supreme gift the Creator has given to men and angels, whereas hell is not a creation of God, but of those, including angels, who have chosen the wrong way.

What I'm saying is, if you communicate with a spirit, don't automatically assume its intentions are good. Angel or devil, you must think for yourself, or risk being misled. Whatever a spirit may say to you, you should regard it merely as advice, and not a command, and use your own God-given judgement.

Of course fallen/evil angels exist. But if they go over to the dark side, they're not guardian angels anymore.

[Capstan]

Originally Posted by Anna Conlan

Of course fallen/evil angels exist. But if they go over to the dark side, we can't really call them angels anymore, can we?

Of course we can, but the point is, how do we discern which are good and which are not. As Shakespeare said, " The devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape." So, I say, be careful. Don't trust blindly, but put your guardian angels to the test; find out if they're really on your side or not.

"8. And Abraham, being pressed by the presence of God, said unto his people: Behold, there are angels that love to dwell in lust, and to partake with mortals; to eat with them, to lie down with them, and to partake in all ungodly pleasures.

9. God, through his angels, rained down fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, and they were burnt and destroyed. Lot, the elder, escaped, and went and lived in a cave.

10. Now, after Abraham and his people were returned to Jireh, his camp, and it was night, God said to Abraham: Be thou steadfast, and show thy people that they may understand my words.

11. And whilst they were yet praying before the altar, God withdrew from Abraham, and suffered the evil angels, who had followed them from Sodom and Gomorrah, to draw near about the altar. And one of the angels clothed himself in a great light, and with a crown, and with sparkling gems, and he appeared, so all the multitude of people could look upon him.

12. Abraham said: Who art thou? And the spirit said: I am thy God, ruler of heaven and earth! Abraham said: I am thy servant; what wouldst thou? And the spirit said: Thou shalt take thine only son, Isaac, and thy hosts who were with thee at Sodom and Gomorrah, and go with me whither I will lead thee, for I have a great work for thee.

13. Abraham said: Whatsoever thou puttest upon me to do, that will I do.

14. So in the morning Abraham and his son Isaac, and the hosts who had been with Abraham to Sodom and Gomorrah, assembled together. And Abraham spake, saying: Whither, O God?

15. The spirit answered, saying: Take sticks and a fire-brand and come thou to the summit of yonder hill, for thou shalt restore the rites of burnt offerings. So Abraham told what God had said, and they started, and Isaac carried the bundle of willows, such as basket-makers use, saying: This will light the large pieces; but what wilt thou burn for an offering, O Father? And Abraham said: God will provide.

16. And when they ascended to the place, Abraham gathered logs and heaped them up, and Isaac placed the willows.

17. Then spake the spirit, saying: What shall a man love above all things in the world? And Abraham said: God. And the spirit said: For which reason thou shalt offer thine only son, Isaac, as a burnt offering. And it shall be testimony before thy people that thou wilt obey God even to the sacrifice of thine own flesh and kin.

18. Abraham said: Show me that thou art God, that I may not err, for I have been commanded not to kill.

19. And the spirit departed away from Abraham, perceiving that he knew the higher law. And Isaac was grieved at heart, for he desired to witness what a sacrifice was. And the people, seeing a ram near at hand, went and caught it, and slaughtered it, and sprinkled the blood on the sacrifice, and they lighted the fire and roasted the flesh, and took it and gave it to the poor.

20. And Abraham called the place Jehovih-Jireh, and they returned to the camp; and Abraham, being moved of God, spake before the people."

Would the True God ask a man to murder his own son?

[dali]

Have you seen the film Wings of Desire? Its a Wim Wenders film and shows the generally accepted understanding of Guardian angels. Its also a fantastic movie and well worth a look. Much better than the Hollywood remake with Meg Ryan and whats his name...Nicolas Cage. Peter Falk is in it and is brilliant .It says an awful lot about guardian angels if youre keen to know more.

[Old Soul]

Do you have some scriptures to post from the postive purpose of Angels, ?

I respect your post, but i do think there is much left out ...

[Capstan]

Originally Posted by Old Soul

Do you have some scriptures to post from the postive purpose of Angels, ?

I respect your post, but i do think there is much left out ...

I think virtually everything positive mankind has learned over the ages has been through spirit guidance. But I also think it's dangerous to assume that all spirit contact is necessarily for the good.

"1. AFTER the creation of man, the Creator, Jehovih, said unto him: That thou shalt know thou art the work of My hand, I have given thee capacity for knowledge, power and dominion. This was the first era.

2. But man was helpless, crawling on his belly, and he understood not the voice of the Almighty. And Jehovih called his angels, who were older than the earth, and he said unto them: Go ye, raise man upright, and teach him to understand.

3. And the angels of heaven descended to the earth and raised man upright. And man wandered about on the earth. This was the second era.

4. Jehovih said to the angels that were with man: Behold, man hath multiplied on the earth. Bring ye them together; teach them to dwell in cities and nations.

5. And the angels of Jehovih taught the peoples of the earth to dwell together in cities and nations. This was the third era.

6. And in that same time the Beast (self) rose up before man and spake to him, saying: Possess thou whatsoever thou wilt, for all things are thine, and are good for thee.

7. And man obeyed the Beast; and war came into the world. This was the fourth era.

8. And man was sick at heart, and he called out to the Beast, saying: Thou saidst: Possess thyself of all things, for they are good for thee. Now, behold, war and death have encompassed me about on all sides. I pray thee, therefore, teach me peace!

9. But the Beast said: Think not I am come to send peace on the earth; I come not to send peace, but a sword. I come to set man at variance against his father; and a daughter against her mother. Whatsoever thou findest to eat, be it fish or flesh, eat thou thereof, taking no thought of to-morrow.

10. And man ate fish and flesh, becoming carnivorous, and darkness came upon him, and he no more heard the voice of Jehovih, or believed in Him. This was the fifth era.

11. And the Beast divided itself into four great heads, and possessed the earth about; and man fell down and worshipped them.

12. And the names of the heads of the Beast were BRAHMIN, BUDDHIST, CHRISTIAN and MOHAMMEDAN. And they divided the earth, and apportioned it between themselves, choosing soldiers and standing armies for the maintenance of their earthly aggrandizement.

13. And the Brahmins had seven million soldiers; the Buddhists twenty millions; the Christians seven millions; and the Mohammedans two millions, whose trade was killing man. And man, in service of the Beast, gave one-sixth of his life and his labor to war and standing armies; and one-third of his life he gave to dissipation and drunkenness. This was the sixth era.

14. Jehovih called out to man to desist from evil; but man heard Him not. For the cunning of the Beast had changed man's flesh, so that his soul was hid as if in a cloud, and he loved sin.

15. Jehovih called unto His angels in heaven, saying: Go ye down to the earth once more, to man, whom I created to inhabit the earth and enjoy it, and say ye to man: Thus saith Jehovih:

16. Behold, the seventh era is at hand. Thy Creator commandeth thy change from a carnivorous man of contention to an herbivorous man of peace. The four heads of the Beast shall be put away; and war shall be no more on the earth.

17. Thy armies shall be disbanded. And, from this time forth, whosoever desireth not to war, thou shall not impress; for it is the commandment of thy Creator.

18. Neither shalt thou have any God, nor Lord, nor Savior, but only thy Creator, Jehovih! Him only shalt thou worship henceforth forever. I am sufficient unto Mine own creations.

19. And to as many as separate themselves from the dominion of the Beast, making these covenants unto Me, have I given the foundation of My kingdom on earth.

20. And all such shall be My chosen: By their covenants and by their works shall they be known henceforth on the earth as Mine, and shall be called FAITHISTS.

21. But to as many as will not make these covenants, have I given the numbers of the Beast, and they shall be called UZIANS, signifying destroyers. And these shall be henceforth the two kinds of people on earth, FAITHISTS and UZIANS.

22. And the angels of heaven descended to the earth, to man, and appeared before him face to face, hundreds of thousands of them, speaking as man speaketh, and writing as man writeth, teaching these things of Jehovih and His works.

23. And in the thirty-third year thereof, the Embassadors of the angel hosts of heaven prepared and revealed unto man in the name of Jehovih, His heavenly kingdoms; and have thus herein made known the plan of his delightful creations, for the resurrection of the peoples of the earth."

I like to think there are more good angels than bad, but I also think that as we develop as a people, we are expected to learn independent thought, for our own good, and the good of others. Our dependence on the angels should become less and less, as we grow.

[Old Soul]

Our dependence on the angels should become less and less, as we grow.

1) Go ye, raise man upright, and teach him to understand.- (Angel called to help man)

2) Bring ye them together; teach them to dwell in cities and nations. (Angels called to teach man)

3) teaching these things of Jehovih and His works.

[Eleanor Rose]

Too much scripture-quoting going on for me in this thread. We can use the scriptures to back up pretty much any point we want to make about anything.

Yes we should be aware of bad spirits but Capstan did you have some bad experience involving a bad angel?

[Capstan]

Originally Posted by Eleanor Rose

Too much scripture-quoting going on for me in this thread. We can use the scriptures to back up pretty much any point we want to make about anything.

Yes we should be aware of bad spirits but Capstan did you have some bad experience involving a bad angel?

The first quote was to illustrate that angels can be wicked. The second was to honor Old Soul's request for an example of the positive influence of angels.

I don't want to put a negative spin on this subject, but a realistic one. There's a wide-spread perception that the afterlife is all sweetness and light, streets paved with gold, etc., etc., where, if we can just make it through the strife of mortal life, we'll all have it easy in Heaven and will be taken care of, will never have to work again or be concerned with moral issues, which isn't true. Life goes on, even in the afterlife. Always, in the afterlife. No, I've never had a bad experience with an angel, but I've had lots of experience with well-intentioned, misinformed humans who advance the wrong ideas out of wishful thinking.

The question is, "What's the point of Guardian Angels?" Perhaps there's no point. To the OP I would say, rather than your desire to contact angels, you should consider contacting the Supreme Being Himself. In other words, eliminate all these angelic middlemen and go straight to the Source. You're entitled.

Your own heart is the best source of guidance, because it touches the Creator.

[akbarhome]

Originally Posted by Capstan

The first quote was to illustrate that angels can be wicked. The second was to honor Old Soul's request for an example of the positive influence of angels.

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The question is, "What's the point of Guardian Angels?" Perhaps there's no point. To the OP I would say, rather than your desire to contact angels, you should consider contacting the Supreme Being Himself. In other words, eliminate all these angelic middlemen and go straight to the Source. You're entitled.

Your own heart is the best source of guidance, because it touches the Creator.

Hey,

I can not say much about guardian angels because I don't have much experience and I have not learned much about it. But for spirit guides things, after "investigating" for a while, I can say it is a good thing to have. You have personal advisors. No, of course you should not follow his/her/their advises blindly. But it is a good thing to have a third view. You can "see" things with different angle. Of course, it is optional thing to contact spirit guides in this life. We can live the life "without" them. But that does not make "spirit guides things" bad.

Nah, for the guardian angels things, is it redundant if their mission is to give advices? That's why I asked in forum. Maybe somebody have alternative view.

Thank you.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by akbarhome

Nah, for the guardian angels things, is it redundant if their mission is to give advices? That's why I asked in forum. Maybe somebody have alternative view.

Thank you.

The traditional Catholic belief is that every person is assigned a guardian angel by God to protect them from evil and to act as a voice of conscience, warning the person if he falls into temptation. They also have a secondary function of taking messages to others (living or dead). That's what I remember being told as a kid.

[Rockchick26]

I just started a similar post before seeing this one,about Angels. So i'll add to this. I don't like to lose my faith in something but i am getting pretty skeptical about Angels in general.

WHY are there guardian angels if they have no purpose (like one person said)? And IF they do have a purpose,to help and guide us,why doesn't it work? I would be willing to bet all the money in the world that there is no person alive now or ever who didnt make a mistake,go down the wrong path,or get injured in any way. So where were their Angels then? And if somebody says "well they have to be asked or prayed to in order to help us" Well you can't tell me that none of those people asked for help or prayed in those situations! Even when i have the slightest decision to make i pray and ask that the correct answer will come to me. Most of the time it doesn't,and i find out i made the wrong choice. And if somebody says "Well those bad things were meant to happen for a reason" then I say well what good are the Angels then if those bad things are supposed to happen and they can't warn us? And why would they only warn us of certain bad things and not others? It all just seems very random and haphazard. Real things should be consistent and follow general rules.

Do you have to be an advanced psychic able to receive their messages in order for them to protect and guide us? Well that will pretty much eliminate 99% of the population,so,that's not so great if you ask me.

[Old Soul]

WHY are there guardian angels if they have no purpose (like one person said)

Awh but they do have purpose!! that is the point....... You always know when an Angel has been around and touched someone because their is always a result...... each time I experienced a visit in my dreams by an Angel - there was a result , a positive one
and each time i was visited , i was in inner turmoil...

I also want to say that there is no exclusive VIP club, where only some are privy to the help of Angels, in fact I believe that this type of thinking would saden an Angel :-(

we are all on equal playing field.......... an on a personal note, my mom died when i was quite young, she died of cancer, this was many years ago now, still every time I see the "pink Ribbons" I smile.. because I know An Angel is behind such a powerful wonderful
loving support system..... there was an Angel touch...... there was a result,

sometimes the result is personal for personal strengthening , and what if the people who are touched personally become lots of people :-))

we are all equal....I'm sorry i dont have an exact formula ... I just know Angels have purpose and they do help us in our journey !!!!


Ordinary.... "Extraordinary"!

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Old Soul

Awh but they do have purpose!! that is the point....... You always know when an Angel has been around and touched someone because their is always a result...... each time I experienced a visit in my dreams by an Angel - there was a result ,

Well just saying there is a result isn't proof,because good things happen just as easily as bad things do. A baby being born healthy was not the work of an angel,just as a death was not prevented by one.

a positive one
and each time i was visited , i was in inner turmoil...

But this is exactly the thing that makes me skeptical about it...because when i'm in inner turmoil,there is no result...i just trudge along,suffering the whole time,and the situation never gets resolved,gets worse,or maybe 15 years later it goes away (and if you say that is the result of an angel,thats another cop out because time heals all wounds,or at least somewhat). And what Angel would want someone to suffer for that long until their prayers were answered?

I also want to say that there is no exclusive VIP club, where only some are privy to the help of Angels, in fact I believe that this type of thinking would saden an Angel :-(

I am sure it would...it just confuses and frustrates me that most of us cannot see results of our Angels helping us,while others have proof for themselves and make the rest of us feel like we're not members of the Angels Club

[Cantando]

Maybe, guardian angels are thinking, 'What is the point of human beings? Why do we get the crap job of looking out for them? All they do is screw up!'

P.S. I wonder if they have a Union?

[supertom]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Maybe, guardian angels are thinking, 'What is the point of human beings? Why do we get the crap job of looking out for them? All they do is screw up!'

P.S. I wonder if they have a Union?

HAHAHA , i wonder if they say meh screw it, theres infinte other things o look out for

jesus is the leader of our union, so thats why htey proberly keep in line

[Louise1987]

Rockerchick, you say,
"I would be willing to bet all the money in the world that there is no person alive now or ever who didnt make a mistake,go down the wrong path,or get injured in any way. So where were their Angels then?" (I don't know how to copy quotes)
My belief in Angels really hinges on my belief about why we are here. I believe we are here to grow and learn as human beings, through all the **** and it would be easy to say I am saying that because I haven't had any but I have and I have grown a better person as a result of it. Guardian Angels are not there to stop us making mistakes. If we were prevented from making any mistakes how would we grow as people and become better? I actually think guardian angels and spirit guides stay in the background most of the time. However, I think there are certain tests that are predetermined in our life and at these critical moments this is where or guides or angels step in, to try and subtly suggest to us to go in one direction EVEN if that is the direction of, for example, a terminal illness, because they know that ultimately through all the pain we may (I stress 'may' because we still all have free will) learn a valuable lesson.

However if you are sitting there, as you say "in inner turmoil,there is no result...i just trudge along,suffering the whole time,and the situation never gets resolved,gets worse" then that is as Cantando and a couple of others have suggested rather crap for the guides, as all they get is 'LIFE IS RUBBISH! blasted like an impenetrable cloud around you. You may think you are open to them but if you are giving off a cloud of negative thoughts, how can they try and slip a few positive ones in?

I'm sorry if I sound like I'm preaching.

In response to the original question, I once read that guardian angels are beings that have never incarnated, that help warn us of impending accidents etc whereas spirit guides are souls that have been here, they know first-hand what it is like to be here, that is why they can be a relative etc.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Louise1987

You may think you are open to them but if you are giving off a cloud of negative thoughts, how can they try and slip a few positive ones in?

I agree with that. If our spiritual antenna is not tuned in, we are just going to get a lot of interference and static.

I like to think I have a guardian angel, though I can’t see or hear it (I say ‘it’ as they do not have a gender). I feel its presence more as a gentle prodding of my conscience, more than anything else.

However, there have been times in the past, when I have been close to serious danger, e.g. falling asleep at the wheel, and I have suddenly been alerted by something or someone. Maybe, it was an angel, who knows?

I have read extraordinary accounts of guardian angels in the biographies of Padre Pio (now Saint Pio), the mystic Franciscan friar who died in 1968. Witnesses describe how he conversed regularly with his guardian angel (who was very visible to him) and with angels sent by others in exchanging messages, prompting miraculous healings and bringing about scientifically unexplainable occurrences.

[Rockchick26]

Originally Posted by Louise1987

Rockerchick, you say,
"I would be willing to bet all the money in the world that there is no person alive now or ever who didnt make a mistake,go down the wrong path,or get injured in any way. So where were their Angels then?" (I don't know how to copy quotes)
My belief in Angels really hinges on my belief about why we are here. I believe we are here to grow and learn as human beings, through all the **** and it would be easy to say I am saying that because I haven't had any but I have and I have grown a better person as a result of it. Guardian Angels are not there to stop us making mistakes. If we were prevented from making any mistakes how would we grow as people and become better? I actually think guardian angels and spirit guides stay in the background most of the time. However, I think there are certain tests that are predetermined in our life and at these critical moments this is where or guides or angels step in, to try and subtly suggest to us to go in one direction EVEN if that is the direction of, for example, a terminal illness, because they know that ultimately through all the pain we may (I stress 'may' because we still all have free will) learn a valuable lesson.

However if you are sitting there, as you say "in inner turmoil,there is no result...i just trudge along,suffering the whole time,and the situation never gets resolved,gets worse" then that is as Cantando and a couple of others have suggested rather crap for the guides, as all they get is 'LIFE IS RUBBISH! blasted like an impenetrable cloud around you. You may think you are open to them but if you are giving off a cloud of negative thoughts, how can they try and slip a few positive ones in?

I'm sorry if I sound like I'm preaching.

In response to the original question, I once read that guardian angels are beings that have never incarnated, that help warn us of impending accidents etc whereas spirit guides are souls that have been here, they know first-hand what it is like to be here, that is why they can be a relative etc.

Well i could totally understand that they are not here to prevent us from making mistakes or getting into accidents,because if that WERE true,then where the heck are they every time somebody gets into an accident,do those people just not have angels or what? So i'll choose to believe that they are not here to prevent us from having bad things happen to us. It just bugs me when i'm reading somewhere else that goes against that. Like i'm currently reading Secrets of Success by Sandra Anne Taylor,and the other day i just read a part where somebody had a strange idea out of the blue to take the long way home,and then later they found out there was a bad accident on the road they normally drive on. So they said that this person's angel saved them from getting into the accident. What REALLY happened?!