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| hahaha. I'm trying to see the balance between the logical/objective dimension and the spiritual/subjective dimension. So far I've only heard people either totally subjective or totally objective sound their views. I think a third holistic view could see that the reality we live in has both objective and subjective layers, that the dimensions coexist and even overlap a bit. The reason why SOME people feel safer in a totally objective world may be because they are in a phase of life that is meant to see the concrete view of things. I can't imagine skipping over concrete science, math, logic, and going to pure airy subjective reality while growing up and forming our view of the world. I think that objective nature of parts of reality might be the more FUNDAMENTAL (not juvenile view, MartialDev) aspect of life on earth, and that subjective parts are meant to be figured out later, as the icing on the cake. So I think that reality is both layered with objective and subjective dimensions, and that discovering them happens phase-wise as we learn. But anyways, on this forum, I think that it's futile to try to convince Radical and other purely objective people of the subjective aspect of reality until they finds it out themselves through action. You can't really argue someone into believing in subjective reality, they have to live it and find out themselves. Obviously he very strongly believes in something, and if exploring the world with a purely objective frame of reference is what he wants to do, maybe that's what he's supposed to do right now. |
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A closer fit to subjective reality would be dimonstrazione - testing through personal experience and learning from mistakes. | |
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Sean M Connelly, Yes - me too! I find it interesting that my "logical" friends are the unhappiest ones as well. I agree - its a learning process. If you read Power vs Force, it's a progression through the levels of consciousness. And all levels are valid, but the "truths" at one level seem like rubbish at another level. We are all meant to be at the levels we're at so we can progress through them. And all our interactions are for us to learn from. Joy to you Hazel |
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Voodoo Remote viewing One inch punch Instant religious conversion The mind is a very powerfull organ that we do not fully understand yet. The subconcious mind is especially strong. It has the ability to affect the way we view reality much more so than even our conscious mind. It can prevent the conscious mind from accessing certain memories, it can change the way we remember those memories, it can make us feel things with no physical stimuli, it can prevent us from seeing things and it can also help us to notice small details. In truth a person cannot trust their own experiences any more than they can trust a strangers advice. Even though we like to think our conscious mind (the "I") is in control, the subconscious mind is the one that really runs the show. Experiences are based on what we can perceive but you can never be 100% sure that you are perceiving all that you need to come to an accurate conclusion of what happened. My belief is that we do live in a objective mechanical universe. However, that being the case, each of us still lives in our own subject universe in our own minds. We have different ideas on what is important in life, our own purposes, and the many other aspects that make us human are all variables that create our own subjective reality. | |
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Self delusion is always possible, I completely agree. In fact, I agree with pretty much everyone you wrote in your post. I'm not saying my own subjective experience is something that CONVINCES me... I am saying that if I experience something bizarre, and I can't explain it, then that makes me curious :-P. Whenever I have the ability to repeatedly test a bizarre experience, I try to. I'm not a scientist, but I am as scientific as a layman can get, I imagine :-P. For example, here is one experiment I performed, that produced measurable results: Peebrain's Psi Journal: Reproducible Results I've also done experiment with out of body experiences that led me to conclude that I am perceiving the external world to some extent. I posted about it here: Peebrain's Psi Journal: Awesome OBE My original post was saying that the question of "how can this many people be delusional?" was a question that started to get me more curious and open-minded about psychic abilities. That question alone didn't convince me of anything. Only years of practice and research has actually convinced me :-P. ~Sean | |
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| I'm willing to believe that subjective experience can be an ever-receding frontier...constantly giving way to a body of shared knowledge of how systems are interconnected. But the idea that our present state of established consensus has all the connections right is pretty crazy. There's a 2,400 year old debate on whether people can sense barometric pressure "in their bones"...and the establishment opinion (as of 1997) in the National Academy of Sciences discarded the idea based on studying 18 people. So don't be surprised if another study comes out which reverses that. Quote:
YouTube - Royksopp - Remind Me The moon affects the tides, so planets may influence your life in other ways. I don't personally believe in astrology, but it could be the proto-science whose body of evidence leads to a serendipitous discovery on that front. The only way to know is to not be a knee-jerker when someone uses a certain terminology to describe their experience... | |
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Anyway, I could go on about this subject for ages, but I think i've made the main points. | |
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| My original post was saying that the question of "how can this many people be delusional?" was a question that started to get me more curious and open-minded about psychic abilities. Agreed, the sheer number of folk interested and involved has piqued my curiosity. It has done in the past, but I'm ready and willing to engage. That question alone didn't convince me of anything. Only years of practice and research has actually convinced And thats what I hope to gain. |
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| I think your logic is sound in the fact that it is an attempt to break down and isolate what it is that makes us concious living beings, but its just that I know from personal experience that essentially the human being can and does exist outside of the body. I have had out of body experiences where I was completely concious of my surroundings and could observe my physical body which strangely enough just kept on working and talking to people in my workplace and many other OOB experiences. Dreams are not devoid of awareness for me, in fact I have little problem in realising my situation in dreams and acting with lucidity. What you have brought up regarding the limitations of the human body :ie cutting bits off did occur to me years ago but I just can't avoid what all of my experiences have taught me and that is that life does exist outside of the physical without a doubt.
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I can't believe this post has actually gone this far. Why do people try to bring others down? If you're 19 years old, please don't preach to people who have far more life experience than you. It doesn't make you look smart.
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