"Believing in the unseen" can be dangerous and harmful.

[Sam988]

Psychic Nearly Destroys Family | LiveScience


If there is any real psychic out there, i don't know. What i do know is that people should always give a second and a third thought when a "psychic" tells them something significant about them. People should never make important decisions in the lives based solely on "psychic's" advices.

[Steve Pavlina]

It's really no different than any other profession in the sense of mistakes. It's safe to say that doctors do a lot more damage than psychics do when they misread a serious problem (which happens quite often).

[Sam988]

Yes but that's different.

A doctor is primarily needed, because the person isn't going to heal all by himself. The doctor is the most qualified person to give the advice, and if accepting a doctor's advice causes occasional damage, then imagine if the person takes a religious' leader advice that god will heal them and they shouldn't worry.


It's so hard to trust someone or something in this world completely, and even the "specialists", as doctors, shouldn't be completely trusted, let alone "psychics".

[Steve Pavlina]

Originally Posted by Sam988

A doctor is primarily needed, because the person isn't going to heal all by himself. The doctor is the most qualified person to give the advice, and if accepting a doctor's advice causes occasional damage, then imagine if the person takes a religious' leader advice that god will heal them and they shouldn't worry.

Doctors don't actually heal anyone, although the AMA frequently markets them as healers. People heal by themselves all the time. Your own body is pretty good at self-repairing if you take good care of it.

Doctors aren't the most qualified people to give healing advice. They are indeed well-qualified to give disease advice, but they have little to offer healthy people.

If you are diseased or wounded, you might seek the advice of a medical doctor (aka a dis-ease expert). But if you'd prefer not to be diseased, it's better to seek the advce of a health expert (i.e. someone with a track record of helping people stay healthy and disease-free for long periods of time, which is practically the opposite of a medical doctor).

[supertom]

lols "dangerous and harmful" skeptics fav words, they so scared in their little "safe zone".

BTW what would stop the body from self-repairing, why does some cuts heal and others scar, spiritual reasons

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Doctors don't actually heal anyone, although the AMA frequently markets them as healers. People heal by themselves all the time. Your own body is pretty good at self-repairing if you take good care of it.

Ah ok, thanks for the semantics lesson, got careless this time, but you got what i meant

Originally Posted by supertom

lols "dangerous and harmful" skeptics fav words, they so scared in their little "safe zone".

BTW what would stop the body from self-repairing, why does some cuts heal and others scar, spiritual reasons

what what what? care to make some sense in what you write please?

[xhironakamurax]

Originally Posted by Sam988

what what what? care to make some sense in what you write please?

I'm pretty sure he thinks you're attacking psychics, and our community. Correct me if I'm wrong, and if he's wrong.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Doctors don't actually heal anyone, although the AMA frequently markets them as healers. People heal by themselves all the time. Your own body is pretty good at self-repairing if you take good care of it.

It can be argued that, ultimately, the body does heal itself, but the presence of a natural healer can help as a catalyst to precipitate the healing.

Many doctors do actually have a vocation to heal and do have natural healing gifts. They are not all unsympathetic ogres, intent on pumping drugs into their patients. In fact the last few times I and my wife have been to the doctor's, they have shied away from prescribing any medication.

I have witnessed on two occasions (when my daughter was seriously ill and when my wife was having problems giving birth - both with associated high blood pressure), the appearance of a doctor had a strange calming effect on the situation and helped bring down their blood pressure, even though they were barely conscious at the time.

[reflections]

Originally Posted by Cantando

It can be argued that, ultimately, the body does heal itself, but the presence of a natural healer can help as a catalyst to precipitate the healing.

Many doctors do actually have a vocation to heal and do have natural healing gifts. They are not all unsympathetic ogres, intent on pumping drugs into their patients. In fact the last few times I and my wife have been to the doctor's, they have shied away from prescribing any medication.

I have witnessed on two occasions (when my daughter was seriously ill and when my wife was having problems giving birth - both with associated high blood pressure), the appearance of a doctor had a strange calming effect on the situation and helped bring down their blood pressure, even though they were barely conscious at the time.

True I've met mostly ogres, actually they were more like stone golems who just did their best to give me as many types of prescription medicines as possible and get me out of there with a boot.

I have met on occasion however a mainstream doctor who is healing just by their presence. Without uttering a word that would seem out of line with the most mainstream ways of thought they emanated an aura that was both professional and caring.

The professionalism provided a level of healing because it was instantly communicated to my body and mind that this person knows what they are doing. Like a horse being communicated to by a master trainer I was instantly put at peace.

The caring intent provided a level of healing because they "listened" to me - my body, my mind(and it felt like my spirit too). Because they could "listen" to me so well, they were able to respond and communicate precisely what I needed to hear - on different levels.

Ironically enough, none of these doctors actually prescribed me anything, but the healing was clearly transmitted to me and it felt good, nurturing and well, healing.

I'm not sure if these doctors were conscious of the healing nature of their communication and being, but for me it was very clear that each of them was a natural healer.

[Lauxa]

Just another example of the state attempting to terminate parental rights based on invalid evidence. Psychics are not required for this type of thing to happen, just look at the Waco compound raided on an anonymous phone call that turned out to be fake. Hundreds of children separated from their families. The state needs to stay out of family business.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Many doctors do actually have a vocation to heal and do have natural healing gifts.

True "healing" doctors are just as prevelant (maybe a little more so because they'll gravitate that way due to their natural instincts) in the "medical" world as they are in the "mundane" world - which is to say, not very. However, when you are fortunate enough to find one, hang on to them. Their combination of knowledge and innate gifts make them amazing individuals to be around and to seek help from.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by xhironakamurax

I'm pretty sure he thinks you're attacking psychics, and our community. Correct me if I'm wrong, and if he's wrong.

Of course i am, i thought there was no more question about that. But while i gave some arguments basing my opinion, that supertom guy just went writing some nonsense, literally. I mean, look at this:

Originally Posted by supertom

lols "dangerous and harmful" skeptics fav words, they so scared in their little "safe zone".

BTW what would stop the body from self-repairing, why does some cuts heal and others scar, spiritual reasons

Maybe he was possessed by a demented spirit at the time.

[Bitsy]

When I was young, a psychic told my dad that I "wasn't going to make it." She meant I would kill myself and "wouldn't make it." Back then I was offended by it and insulted and felt bad about it. I was so young. But now I understand her prediction and, as of yet, I wish she had been right.

[xhironakamurax]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Of course i am, i thought there was no more question about that. But while i gave some arguments basing my opinion, that supertom guy just went writing some nonsense, literally. I mean, look at this:







Maybe he was possessed by a demented spirit at the time.

Wow. So you are attacking our community?
And what a statment "demented spirit", you sure don't know SH** about this stuff to be attacking it.
Now personally I don't have time for fighting, so I won't get involved.
But I'm pretty sure this positive enviroment doesn't want your kind around.

[coLLege kid07]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Of course i am, i thought there was no more question about that. But while i gave some arguments basing my opinion, that supertom guy just went writing some nonsense, literally. I mean, look at this:







Maybe he was possessed by a demented spirit at the time.

Psychics, doctors, whoever are just like any other field. There can be really good ones, mediocre ones, and ones that are just plain bad and may be possibly frauds. If you think psychics is all fake than why bother refuting it to other people. Obviously if enough people believe it there's got to be some truth to it in it's own right. Maybe try it on for size and then see what you think after you practice some of it (i.e. this would involve getting rid of some of your skeptical beliefs...because no matter how hard you try it you don't think it's going to happen it won't happen. This would also spawn further that your thoughts create your reality...if I feel I'm a crappy bowler...there's no way I'm going to bowl a 300 game the next time I play---I'm already defeating myself before I start.) So go ahead give it a try.

[coLLege kid07]

Originally Posted by xhironakamurax

Wow. So you are attacking our community?
And what a statment "demented spirit", you sure don't know SH** about this stuff to be attacking it.
Now personally I don't have time for fighting, so I won't get involved.
But I'm pretty sure this positive enviroment doesn't want your kind around.

Fighting violence with violence isn't the way to peace.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by xhironakamurax

Wow. So you are attacking our community?
And what a statment "demented spirit", you sure don't know SH** about this stuff to be attacking it.
Now personally I don't have time for fighting, so I won't get involved.
But I'm pretty sure this positive enviroment doesn't want your kind around.

I was joking on the demented spirit thing, i thought that was obvious.

The word "attacking" certainly holds a strong connotation. Maybe we should use "questioning" or "challenging"... what's wrong with it? And what's with all these over emotional responses??

[xhironakamurax]

Originally Posted by Sam988

I was joking on the demented spirit thing, i thought that was obvious.

The word "attacking" certainly holds a strong connotation. Maybe we should use "questioning" or "challenging"... what's wrong with it? And what's with all these over emotional responses??

You're just changing words around so you don't seem like the bad guy.
And I know the way to peace, I'm not fighting with violence, I don't know why you seem to think I am. I do believe what I said was called for.

And for emotional responses, I'm just like that.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by xhironakamurax

You're just changing words around so you don't seem like the bad guy.

lol


As you prefer; although i still don't see what's wrong with what i said. Bad guy?? I just made a point, and you didn't give me a decent response yet based on reasoning, as many others here have done already.

Originally Posted by coLLege kid07

Obviously if enough people believe it there's got to be some truth to it in it's own right.

What do you mean by "enough"? To me, when "enough" people believe in something, it only proves how humans, because of their nature, can be manipulated to believe in mass delusions. Or do you think that the Nazis were right about their beliefs because they had "enough" believers (probably more than the combined population of psychics in the world)?

Originally Posted by coLLege kid07

Maybe try it on for size and then see what you think after you practice some of it (i.e. this would involve getting rid of some of your skeptical beliefs...because no matter how hard you try it you don't think it's going to happen it won't happen. This would also spawn further that your thoughts create your reality...if I feel I'm a crappy bowler...there's no way I'm going to bowl a 300 game the next time I play---I'm already defeating myself before I start.) So go ahead give it a try.

As you said there are good and bad psychics. Even if i let aside of my skeptical beliefs and go talk to a psychic, if he eventually proves to be wrong, then you will call him a bad one. Then i would have to go to another one, and another one, and so on. I'm not willing to spend the time or money to do it, although this is something that interests me very much, and if i were rich and didn't have much to do i would certainly go to a few dozens of psychics to see if any of them really has some supernatural power.

[DiscoDan]

Originally Posted by Sam988

People should never make important decisions in the lives based solely on "psychic's" advices.

Sorry, there was a typo in your post. The fixed version is below.

People should never make important decisions in the lives based solely on a complete stranger's advices.

There was also a typo in your title, as well. I've fixed that, too.

Fixed Title: "Allowing complete strangers to make important decisions for you when you should be making them yourself" can be dangerous and harmful.

I hope this helps.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by supertom

lols "dangerous and harmful" skeptics fav words, they so scared in their little "safe zone".

Defensive aren't we? Maybe you're the one who is scared, that your beliefs can't be proven, or that you might be wrong. What does it matter if someone questions if something is real or not? There is no evidence for it, so of course people will be skeptical. Reactions such as your's do nothing to help them to see your point of view.

Originally Posted by xhironakamurax

Wow. So you are attacking our community?
And what a statment "demented spirit", you sure don't know SH** about this stuff to be attacking it.
Now personally I don't have time for fighting, so I won't get involved.
But I'm pretty sure this positive enviroment doesn't want your kind around.

What kind? Skeptics? people who dare to question? Do you only want those who will blindly believe in something without questioning? How is that any better than religion which so many here reject as foolish?


How is the act of questioning something, attacking the community? If it has a firm foundation, then the community should be able to withstand questioning of its fundamental beliefs. Same goes for individuals, of course. The community here is so broad that I don't think just questioning a single belief is attacking the community.

Originally Posted by coLLege kid07

Psychics, doctors, whoever are just like any other field. There can be really good ones, mediocre ones, and ones that are just plain bad and may be possibly frauds. If you think psychics is all fake than why bother refuting it to other people.

Maybe he's curious why other people believe it, or want to see your reasoning. He said he doesn't know if all psychics are fake or not, but this was clearly a bad case for their legitimacy.

Originally Posted by coLLege kid07

Obviously if enough people believe it there's got to be some truth to it in it's own right.

Christianity must be true, then. And Islam, and every other religion out there. The Nazis must have been right, too. Following this logic, we would still believe the earth is flat.

Originally Posted by coLLege kid07

Maybe try it on for size and then see what you think after you practice some of it (i.e. this would involve getting rid of some of your skeptical beliefs...because no matter how hard you try it you don't think it's going to happen it won't happen. This would also spawn further that your thoughts create your reality...if I feel I'm a crappy bowler...there's no way I'm going to bowl a 300 game the next time I play---I'm already defeating myself before I start.) So go ahead give it a try.

So you must believe it is true before you can see it to be true? I.e., you are deluding yourself. You have no proof for this, I think. Further, because of the very nature of what you just said, it is unfalsifiable, because if it doesn't work, you could just say he didn't believe in it. Therefore this belief is mostly inapplicable in this context.

The above isn't to say I don't think psychics are real, nor to attack those who believe such. However, I do find it odd, and rather frightening, that people should react with anger at someone questioning something that, frankly, has no reason not to be questioned. If you believe in it, please state your evidence. If you have none, and still choose to believe in it, that is your prerogative, but don't attack those who choose not to believe things for which there is no proof. Doing so reveals that you are probably unsure of its reality yourself and/or are scared of it being proved wrong.

[DiscoDan]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

If you believe in it, please state your evidence.

Why should I have to prove to you my beliefs? Isn't that a bit silly?

If you have none, and still choose to believe in it, that is your prerogative,

Indeed it is.

but don't attack those who choose not to believe things for which there is no proof. Doing so reveals that you are probably unsure of its reality yourself and/or are scared of it being proved wrong.

So, by your same logic, wouldn't it be correct to assume that Sam998 is unsure of his own model of reality and is indeed scared to be proven wrong?

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by DiscoDan

Why should I have to prove to you my beliefs? Isn't that a bit silly?

Of course you don't have to. But it is much more effective than attacking the person doing such questioning.

Originally Posted by DiscoDan

So, by your same logic, wouldn't it be correct to assume that Sam998 is unsure of his own model of reality and is indeed scared to be proven wrong?

Is he attacking anyone? He didn't become the least bit defensive until someone attacked him. It is good to question things. those who refuse to do so are usually too scared of it being proven wrong.

[wolfgang]

"Believing in the unseen" can be dangerous and harmful.

Not if you see it

But really, most people that get a reading are feeling lost. They are already in a state of "need". They will believe in the unseen as a way to get help as a means to fix something. I think people in this state are also ones that easily put their power into someone else's hands and may not be getting better this way.

If you have ever gotten a reading, what did it do for you? Give you some information that you won't use anyway because you have free will? Or because you are so lost, you do use that info while giving up your power, since you are already feeling lost?

If you ask a psychic something like should I break up with my gf? And they say yes. Do you do that? Or if you don't - why get the reading? If the reading says, take that job - do you do that? How do you know if that is good advice? You still need your own decision skills to exercise your free will. Or you give up your power and just do what the reading proposes as the best for you.

In other words a reading goes one of two ways. You either make up your own mind anyway (so why get a reading?) or you follow the psychic advice which means you aren't deciding for yourself (giving away your power).

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

In other words a reading goes one of two ways. You either make up your own mind anyway (so why get a reading?) or you follow the psychic advice which means you aren't deciding for yourself (giving away your power).

That's why it's probably not a good idea to ask yes/no questions in a reading. If done correctly, I think readings can potentially bring one's awareness to paths one has not previously considered. Then one can weigh it against the other potential paths, and decide if it seems better, or not.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

That's why it's probably not a good idea to ask yes/no questions in a reading. If done correctly, I think readings can potentially bring one's awareness to paths one has not previously considered. Then one can weigh it against the other potential paths, and decide if it seems better, or not.

Well, if you ask a psychic how would it go to pursue a career in blah blah? the answer will be something about how that would go. It's not so much yes/no but what it would be like if you did. Then you still have to decide on your own. And if you are using that information, you are basing your decision on believing in the unseen or totally giving up your power and think the psychic knows better than you.

[DiscoDan]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

Is he attacking anyone?

Apparently not. Excuse me while I sign up for a skeptic forum to make a post about how being an atheist can be dangerous and harmful, using Chairman Mao as my prime example.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by DiscoDan

Apparently not. Excuse me while I sign up for a skeptic forum to make a post about how being an atheist can be dangerous and harmful, using Chairman Mao as my prime example.

He linked to an article that told of what can happen if you blindly believe what a psychic says, or base decisions on it. He said that he doesn't know if psychics are real, but that it is dangerous to base your decisions on them. It was a warning, with a very valid point.

What exactly do you find wrong with the above? If it was someone who believed in psychic ability, who made a similar post, I'm sure you would thank him/her for the warning and move along. But since it is a skeptic posting such a warning, suddenly they are trying to attack your beliefs?

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Psychic Nearly Destroys Family | LiveScience


If there is any real psychic out there, i don't know. What i do know is that people should always give a second and a third thought when a "psychic" tells them something significant about them. People should never make important decisions in the lives based solely on "psychic's" advices.

I've yet to see a legitimate psychic and I thought the whole purpose of this site was to take 100% responsibility and not rely on something like a psychic.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

In other words a reading goes one of two ways. You either make up your own mind anyway (so why get a reading?) or you follow the psychic advice which means you aren't deciding for yourself (giving away your power).

There are more ways than that that it can go, wolfgang. For instance, the way it went for me: I got a new perspective where I had been having a blind spot. It has nothing to do with making up my mind or following advice; it's about seeing things in a new way -- expanding.

I'm starting to see that along with Gratitude, Expansion is one of the most powerful forces in the universe. (my "most powerful forces in the universe" list is expanding, and I'm so grateful for that. )

I am not and was not feeing lost, and my guess is that many people approach getting a reading from a place similar to mine: curiosity, fun, and desire for expansion.