"Believing in the unseen" can be dangerous and harmful.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by lasti

It's not outside of them. They are just not conscious enogh.

So you are saying the info is not outside of them because it's already in their selves and don't know how to access the info right now? And then getting readings - does that raise their consciousness? Or suppress expanding awareness and self resiliency because now they have admitted to themselves that they aren't able to access that info and need a psychic reading?

[lasti]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

So you are saying the info is not outside of them because it's already in their selves and don't know how to access the info right now? And then getting readings - does that raise their consciousness? Or suppress expanding awareness and self resiliency because now they have admitted to themselves that they aren't able to access that info and need a psychic reading?

Well, a professional psychic has just a lot more experience. You can decide whether you want to put time into the effort of learning it yourself or pay something to do this for you. It's like with everything else. You can listen to music of other artists or you can make music yourself. But a professional artist has much more experience with songwriting so you might like their music more than yours. Or when you buy some apples, the shop assistant wouldn't say to you: That's the only way to get apples - Planting apple trees? That's impossible for you!
So you can plant an apple tree and work for years in order to be once able to get the fruits or you'll buy them at the store.
I don't see that psychics try to hide the fact that everybody else can be psychic, too. Look at Erin, for example.

[Brutha]

Counselors are trained (hopefully) to avoid being an authority and try to have their clients process their issues - without giving them information that the client can't access themselves.

I don't think that it's possible to act like that.
I also don't think that acting like that would produce any value, because it would actually mean doing nothing at all.

people turn to psychics for some serious life situations. many are looking for information to base their direction on, they feel they have incomplete information and go looking for it outside of their selves. maybe it works for some people ok.

People wanted to patch their problem of feeling of incomplete information that reduces their confidence is different from people getting data to make rational decisions based on that data.

Most people don't make rational data based decisions anyway.

[Cantando]

In the realms of the subconscious and mass consciousness, all things are possible. Whether we call those worlds real or illusory is neither here nor there. The fact is, those who are immersed in those worlds, who have their consciousness focused there, believe them to be real.

I have some limited experience with those worlds and was very curious for many years, experimenting with hypnosis, travelling on the astral plane, remote viewing, past life regression, etc. After looking back on those events, the only thing I have learned was that it did not help my spiritual progress one iota. In fact, it probably sent it into reverse.

Think of the psychic realms as a jungle. All the thoughts, emotions, desires and illusions of mankind are stored there. Some psychics go into that jungle believing themselves to be some kind of super hero, armed and ready to do battle with villains and evil forces. Others go in, hoping to acquire more power for themselves.

I’m quite happy to accept there are some experienced psychics who are well intentioned, and do provide some help to those who need it. But, the question I ask is, “Why bother going there in the first place?” People can be helped in far more beneficial ways.

It’s a bit like if I was a karate expert, obsessed with going down to a rough part of town every night, hoping to catch a mugger or a rapist, thinking I was doing society a big favour by taking on the forces of evil. But, all you are doing is dragging yourself down to their level, where you are then quite likely to become entrapped yourself.

All those who delve in fortune telling, astrology, tarot cards, numerology, talismans, etc, are just tapping into and becoming locked in this jungle where these things do appear to have power, but it is illusory power; and those who go to such people for help and advice are being drawn into and locked in this world.

There is nothing spiritual about it whatsoever. If any of you who believe in this stuff were really spiritual, you would realize it is far better to bypass this realm altogether and head straight for the spiritual light and seek to help others in more meaningful ways. It is rather like an addiction. It is a dream world from which some of you need to wake up, if, indeed, you do wish to make true, spiritual progress.

However, as long as the market and prevailing culture is there, clients will still give money to psychics for ‘information’ from 'the other world' and thus perpetuate this merry-go-round of absorption in the dreams, symbols and illusions which make up mass consciousness, and which has been going round and round since man first appeared on earth.

[pianoperformer]

Cantando, wow, just want to say that's a very good post.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Brutha

I don't think that it's possible to act like that.
I also don't think that acting like that would produce any value, because it would actually mean doing nothing at all.

Counselors that are able to listen are not doing nothing. They will ask the right questions and present the client with feedback in what the client is saying or point out repetitive behavior or thinking habits that are like worry loops.

People wanted to patch their problem of feeling of incomplete information that reduces their confidence is different from people getting data to make rational decisions based on that data.

Most people don't make rational data based decisions anyway.

incomplete information? well I guess that's the feeling of lack, right? and does information from the psychic world provide information that makes people automatically feel less lack in their lives? or does it make them expect that the information will be correct and follow that as a way to think of being more whole? maybe I lost your train of thought.

Making rational data based decisions is what everyone tries to do. the habits we've built up make it harder to decide something without mental commentary. So then, is it better to have irrational (psychic) data and then try to decide? or have I totally missed what you are saying?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Cantando

I have some limited experience with those worlds and was very curious for many years, experimenting with hypnosis, travelling on the astral plane, remote viewing, past life regression, etc. After looking back on those events, the only thing I have learned was that it did not help my spiritual progress one iota. In fact, it probably sent it into reverse.

interesting. just another layer of mind stuff maybe, ha?

All those who delve in fortune telling, astrology, tarot cards, numerology, talismans, etc, are just tapping into and becoming locked in this jungle where these things do appear to have power, but it is illusory power; and those who go to such people for help and advice are being drawn into and locked in this world.

There is nothing spiritual about it whatsoever. If any of you who believe in this stuff were really spiritual, you would realize it is far better to bypass this realm altogether and head straight for the spiritual light and seek to help others in more meaningful ways. It is rather like an addiction. It is a dream world from which some of you need to wake up, if, indeed, you do wish to make true, spiritual progress.

It's like keeping the maya alive in the unseen worlds too.

What you wrote reminds me of hearing about if someone says "I am awake" - that can really just be the mind creating another version of what being awake is.