|05-08-2008, 12:48 PM||#1 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Dream about my brother dying.
A week or so ago I had dream about my brother dying, we were all very upset about it, my father in particular. I can't remember all the details about what happened but at one stage I was at our local train station and I turned to see what I thought was his ghost. He was smiling at me, telling me that he was back. I told him he was dead. He smiled and said that he knew that, was very sorry about it but that now he was back and to tell Dad. I was worrying how family and friends react if I told them he was back.
I've been thinking about this dream ever since and when I heard on the radio of a fatal car crash on a freeway that runs near his house I was fearful it was him. I had to work out where the on ramp it happened was and realised it was the one before his one.
He quit his job just before Christmas last year, decided to take some time off before finding a new job. He started a new job about 2 weeks ago andalso started his own business at the same time. He had the business plans in motion before he got the job, it was coincidental that they started at the same time. I had been (as have Mum and Dad) worried that the business might not bring in enough for his mortgage and living expenses. Dad seemed to play a big part in the dream, ie he was so worried, we were on the local train station (Dad was stationmaster there before retirement) and he was who I was most worried about, but I don't remember him being in the dream.
What I am thinking is that the dream was telling me that he is now on a new path in his life and that he isn't going to die. That in effect it was the death of his old life and the rebirth of his new life, that the business and his new job is a change for the better.
Does anyone else have any other explainations?
I have dreams that predicted deaths before but the person involved has not actually died in my dreams. In one I was surrounded by ghosts who were demanding I go with them, I got a tap on the shoulder and turned to see an old family friend who told me that he would go instead of me. He died of cancer the next day.
|05-09-2008, 01:24 PM||#2 (permalink)|
Join Date: Mar 2008
When you dream of a loved one dying, it doesn't have to mean it's precognitive and that they are going to die, at least in my experience. I've had loads of dreams about family members dying in the past and they are all still around!
I do think that these dreams tend to be significant though.
For a start, this dream could be highlighting some of your own fears like a fear of death, fear of loss.
I feel that when I have a death dream, it is showing me that my time during this incarnation is not going to be forever - on occasions these sorts of dreams have spurred me to live each day as it is my last and to take time to appreciate those around me
Or as you mention, it could be a symbolic dream about your brother's life path.
|05-09-2008, 01:53 PM||#3 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2006
There are two crucial things to remember about dreams.
1. EVERYTHING in a dream represents an aspect of yourself. The actual objects in the dream are simply whatever thoughts are "on top of the mind" being used in a purely metaphorical way to tell you about yourself.
2. The feelings and subjective personal opinions felt during the observation of your dream are the most important aspect of your dream. Since these feelings are entirely subjective (one person's nightmare is another's paradise) only the dreamer herself is capable of correctly interpreting the dream.
Your brother represents an aspect of yourself. What specifically this aspect of yourself it is, no one can tell you, and you yourself likely don't recognize it for what it is. The dream is trying to bring this aspect of yourself to conscious awareness.
Every dream has a goal and a meaning. In every case, the goal is to bring to light an unseen aspect of the self. The dream-master uses arcane, strange, convoluted and highly subjected methods to communicate with the dreamer because it is not easy to explain to someone, "There is a part of you that won't let go of this event that happened and is unhealthily clinging to this particular emotion in this way. You need to release this tension by doing such and such."
When words fail, visual-emotional metaphor steps in.
There is definitely no need to fear for your brother. The dream is not about him - he's just a convenient metaphor to tell you about yourself. It may seem unromantic to be told that dreams have nothing to do with other people - that you aren't dreaming of anything "out there" at all - but countless observation by many many people has shown this to be true. (And from my own dream-work I'm totally convinced this is the case.)
Once you make the intention to remember your dreams more, and then start recording them immediately when you wake up, you'll find that people you know are constantly dying in them and that every night the dream-master uses some new metaphor to try and express the same concept to you.
So to help you discover the meaning of one dream you can simply record and observe a week's worth of dreams - each dream is likely pointing to the same primary teaching. A teaching that will have multiple layers of relevancy to your life but will have one primary theme that reflects on your own spiritual work in the present.
I guess my answer went far beyond your question but perhaps this intense dream can encourage you to consciously do more dream work. Most people do dream most nights, but simply forget their dreams because they either don't record them immediately (this is essential - by the time 5 minutes has passed you will forget a solid 90% of dream material) or simply don't put out the intention to remember them at all. If you don't put out this intention you'll just wake up and think you didn't dream.
Suffice to say, don't fear for your brother. I've recorded many of my dreams and so many people have died. I've killed people, people have killed me, various monsters have killed me and others, calamities have killed loads of people... Everyone I've ever known has probably died at least a few times. Death can be a useful metaphor.
Last edited by yossarian; 05-09-2008 at 01:56 PM.
|05-09-2008, 02:48 PM||#4 (permalink)|
Join Date: Dec 2006
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If all that is true, yossarian, then what is your explanation for dreams that become true in real life?
The fact that you personally may never have had a dream that manifested in reality in some way later on doesn't mean the phenomenon doesn't exist. I think dreams can and surely do occasionally reflect things that are going to take place in the future in real life, or that describe the state of another person in our lives.
|05-09-2008, 04:34 PM||#5 (permalink)|
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99% of dream are symbolic messages that subconsciously (or consciously if you remember them) help with personal growth.
1% are "teaching dreams" where the events are actually happening on another plane of existence, and your dream self is literally being taught person-to-person in the moment by some spiritual teacher. These are obviously not symbolic when you remember them, because it's literally just like a classroom where there is some entity that is giving a lecture. If you can remember the words that are said they are often quite amazing. I find it extremely hard to remember the words (I always wish I could transcribe them) but I do retain many concepts and snippets and even those shreds I find to be incredibly insightful.
The 3rd kind (which is sort of an odd case) are dreams that have multiple levels of relevancy. These are the most rare by far. These dreams will be symbolically meaningful, relevant to personal growth, but also may come true if certain choices are made by the person. I haven't experienced this myself, and those that have say it is both rare and unpredictable. They don't know ahead of time which dreams will come true, but afterwards they look back and say "Wow! I remember this from a dream!"
One thing that seems to be constant is that dreams deal with big, important issues of greater spiritual development. This means that dreams in which you are anxious are not dreams _telling_ you to be worry but rather dreams that are teaching you to become aware of your anxiety. There are only so many hours in a night and those hours are spent on developing the spirit ("spiritual development") and don't seem to be in the business of warning people of relatively transient material things in life.
There are many recorded cases where people have predicted or known of the death of loved ones, but I personally haven't heard any of where it was predicted in a dream. Rather it is felt in a claircognizant kind of way during waking life.
The other curious thing that is widely recorded and that I see myself is what some call "The Dream Voice." This is a voice you hear after you wake up, but before you are totally awake. When it comes to the dream voice all bets are off.. I've had a wide range of messages come through (including mental movies and sounds) and I think it is clearly more concrete than symbolic. So if the dream voice were to make a prophecy I would be inclined to give it credence.
Last edited by yossarian; 05-09-2008 at 04:37 PM.
|05-11-2008, 10:50 PM||#7 (permalink)|
Join Date: Apr 2008
my old self
I agree that the dream is for the dreamer to figure out.
And to pay attention to how you felt in your dream
It sounds like your interpretation may be correct, that your brother's old life has been dying, is now dead..and a new one has begun...and that you and your family members have been worried about that.
I've made many changes in the last few years and feel each time a new choice or new path was taken, a part of my old self had died.
I made it a point to study my dreams, read books to figure out whether they're precognitive, lucid, anxiety or wishful type dreams. I'm still figuring it out and feel much better at interpreting.
Usually when I've asked friends to help with dream meanings, its taken me away from my gut feelings. However, by considering their point of view I've found it deepened my need to find the actual meaning until I figured it out for myself.
And still when precognitive dreams have come true, I'd discuss it with friends again, only to find their disbelief regardless...
I've learned to only share that information with those, like in this forum that are open..
|05-13-2008, 05:31 AM||#8 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2006
^^ It's interesting that you say focus on how you feel in your dreams. This made me think about my dreams.
The thing is, I would have these extremely graphic/violent/weird dreams, but I never feel anything when I'm dreaming. It's AFTER I wake up then I think back and say "wow that is just beyond messed up."
I don't know when these "nightmares" started, but I think it was sometime in High School, during a time when I was having many problems, along with my family.
But I have dreamed of extremely "disturbing" things that many people probably don't even dream of. For example, there was one dream where I saw a man publicly executed (decapitated), after that his body was still twitching about. And I felt nothing during the dream, it felt "normal" to me, like an everyday occurrence. Another dream that I had was I saw a pig getting butchered alive and then thrown in an oven or something. Again I felt nothing.
Recently I just had another dream where I was standing beside my window in my room. And I looked outside the window, and there were tons and tons of bugs/mosquitoes flying outside my window trying to enter my room. But I felt absolutely nothing, I wasn't scared, I didn't panic at all, I didn't feel threatened. But it was always after I wake up that I would feel extremely uncomfortable that I would dream of something like that.
Do you people or the original poster ever had violent/graphic dreams like I do once in awhile?
|05-13-2008, 07:47 AM||#9 (permalink)|
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I've had a few nightmares in my life where I've actually been scared, and of course there is the very common dream a lot of people have where they feel trapped or powerless. But most of the time when I see weird/scary/strange/disturbing stuff I feel like it's normal. I will see things happen that are completely logically absurd or statements will be made that are completely wrong and I know them to be wrong, but during the dream I will just accept them as true.
When I wake up I remember them and think how strange it was.
I've read that this has something to do with your dream body being closely related to your astral body, and since the astral body is a more emotional body with less mind attached to it, certain things that are logical absurdities can be understood from a different level.
This is also an explanation used by astral travelers for why they didn't do some left-brained task while astral. People ask, "Why didn't you use your OOB experience to go find out the lottery numbers?" and the person usually replies, "I don't know. At the time the thought didn't even cross my mind.."
|05-13-2008, 08:10 AM||#10 (permalink)|
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|05-13-2008, 02:15 PM||#11 (permalink)|
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Yossarian, your responses to this topic are fascinating, and very insightful. Thank you for sharing the information.
|05-14-2008, 05:42 AM||#12 (permalink)|
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<<We assume that they are because the dream happened before the physical event, but it is probably more accurate to say that the two are simply effects of the same spiritual cause, one seemingly occurring before the other purely as a result of the fact that it takes longer to manifest things on the denser physical plane.>>
Went to Woo Woo and read your blog...very informative...clear thoughts,
I definitely agree...and would like to add that I'm not convinced a step by step word for word reproduction of a cognitive dream are a usual case, while still being precognitive...
I've had a few that fit into the soul's remembrance explanation you've given, and that the time frame in my dream was simultaneous to the resulting physical event (which I found out afterwards) so my soul knew what was going on through the dream, but wasn't foretelling the future.
Because dreams are in a symbolic language, I don't think you can discount some as not precognitive if they don't manifest exactly on the physical plane.
It's also about the dreamer and the language they're able to receive, leading to accurate or inaccurate interpretation...
As silly as it may seem, watching the TV show "Medium", based on true-life stories and precognitive dreaming, has helped answer questions.
In Medium, Alison Dubois often misinterprets her dreams when taken word for word. They're in code, in symbols, information about the future, present and past, sometimes, all jumbled in one dream, but the events do occur at a later time. In her case though there are spirits involved providing information.
|05-22-2008, 02:55 PM||#13 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Thanks all for your answers, I'll take the time to read through them later when I have more time, I glanced over them for now.
I have no more fears for my brother, as soon as I realised what it meant the fears went away. He started his business by handing out flyers at a nearby fair, he got a booking from that. He started a photography business and his first client is another photographer who overbooked. She has promised him more jobs, depended on his performance, which is a great boost. He also has jobs booked this weekend.
I have had precognitive dreams in the past, they don't always look like what is going to happen but the facts are there. In one dream I was desperately trying to get to work, was stuck in some sort of building going up ramps, finally I found a security officer who told me I had to go down to get out. The next day I drove up the ramp into the carpark at work, only to be stopped by a security guard who told me I wasn't allowed to park in the carpark unless I had a sticker on my car (they were handed out the day before on my day off) and that I had to go down to get out. In the dream I was walking and not in a car.
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