Telepathy and Mind Control

[tonality]

I am glad to have found this forum, it may be the one place where these thoughts are considered with some respect.

I have felt for a few years now like my internal monologue, which has been my primary method of reasoning (and I would have considered myself very rational, maybe too much so), I feel like my internal monologue is broadcast for anyone to hear. The most obvious times are with birds--my neighbors have some and it is 100% clear from their responses that they do hear my thoughts, and it's obvious to me that people are also recieving this. I recently moved to a city where it seems like everyone picks up on this and chastises me for it. Not only this, but in addition to the normal covert hypnosis techniques people use here, my loud internal monologue gives people a control over me.

I have only become aware of other people's telepathic communication on two occasions as far as I know. The first time was strange even by paranormal standards--my neighbors birds broadcast a clumsy "**** you" (the F sounds much different to bird ears) as I was drifting into sleep. The second time was last night. I have basically confirmed that others hear this voice of mine, and made the effort to quiet it, and heard a loud and irritated 'what the **** is that' from my next door neighbor, referencing my previous inability to silence it. Both of these events shocked me back into my full waking conciousness, complete with my persistent inner voice. Could I be using it as a defense mechanism against hearing others? I do often imagine what I would say to people, not only in general but also in the situation right in front of me--could this be because I instinctually know they hear it, and although I wouldn't dare say these things out loud I want to communicate it? I don't want to communicate these things though, and I feel that others' hearing me plan my speech before I say it is an invasion of privacy!

This is all new and a little scary and still somewhat doubtful to me. Does everyone hear my voice, or only some? Are people communicating to me without my knowledge, thereby making their thoughts seem as my own? I was doing math homework last night and repeating the letter P in the formula, and one Q, except when I looked over what I had written and what the problem stated, there were no Qs only Ps, and I believe the Q was planted by my roommate who was irritated at my constant chatter. Obviously, this is just the tip of the iceberg of possibilities that this open channel of communication can bring. How can I control it and use it to serve myself? Am I really just schizo?

Any advice or wisdom would mean a lot. Thanks.

[lantevigi]

yeah, i'm hearing ya dude. not in that way but in what you'r saying. most of us who visit these forums have some sort of "ability" or if you would an inability to see beyond the veil of what has been put before us, and some who are still seeking "the truth". maybe your abilty is a form of mind reading as such, you say that you were doing your maths homework which makes me assume that you are only 14-18, perhaps what you're experiencing has something to do with your immaturity of body rather than of mind. perhaps you are hearing other peoples thoughts but as a way to comprehend this overwhelming experience your brain is making you think that others are hearing and planting thoughts into you where as really it is the other way around.


By the way if anyone has any information or experience with "otherworldy entities" and celestial biengs i.e. earth-angels and wanderers please could you mail me as this would help with experiences that i am having?

[adderrall]

telapathy is rare, not all your neighbors are going to be sitting around reading your mind, your reading theres, like he said, and u think they r reading yours, not likely. your the one with telapathy, dont let the nontelapathics tortue you. i think u probably have a big imagination to, i do to, dont let it get to you. overreacting to things doesnt help things. and if u dont have telapathy, u r not schizo. u can just say u have a big imagination, and u r not delusional, its your choice whether u want to be schizo, i say no thank u, i have enough problems, i dont want to be crazy to. why dont u give yourself a test to see if u have telapathy, something similar happened to me, long story, like a horror movie., s o i see what u r saying, now that is scary.

[AuspiciousEight]

tonality,

I've experimented with telepathy and will offer you some advice.

To me, your experience seems to be mostly imagination at work. Have you tested this? Have you done objective experiments with people you trust? Have other people(not birds) confirmed this?

You say that you have basically confirmed this, but the concrete examples you give only indicate that it's your own imagination.

You should probably test this. Confirm it. Experiment with others and see if you are truly "telepathic" or if you are just imagining things.

My experience with telepathy seems to correspond with what many others have noticed. Some are better senders, others are better receivers. People on the same "wavelength" can communicate better than those who are distant.

Telepathy works best when you are "psychically charged", or at a higher frequency level. It also only seems to work when you get out of your own way. In my experience, the "I" thought, or sense, seems to be the only barrier between awareness of my mind and awareness of someone else's mind. On a deeper level, there is an intuitive understanding that they are the same Mind anyway.

On a side note, I don't know why anyone would actually want to be telepathic. There are many instances where you would probably be best not knowing what others are thinking. Trust me.

Much Love,

[adderrall]

dont they have a textbook for telapathy? i suffer with telapathy, and i know, u dont really want to know what the lobotomiheads think, i thought i had a mental illness, when i really have telapathy, a long story. does that tell u how awful other peoples thoughts are?

[Dannyboy1]

Originally Posted by tonality

I am glad to have found this forum, it may be the one place where these thoughts are considered with some respect.

I have felt for a few years now like my internal monologue, which has been my primary method of reasoning (and I would have considered myself very rational, maybe too much so), I feel like my internal monologue is broadcast for anyone to hear. The most obvious times are with birds--my neighbors have some and it is 100% clear from their responses that they do hear my thoughts, and it's obvious to me that people are also recieving this. I recently moved to a city where it seems like everyone picks up on this and chastises me for it. Not only this, but in addition to the normal covert hypnosis techniques people use here, my loud internal monologue gives people a control over me.

I have only become aware of other people's telepathic communication on two occasions as far as I know. The first time was strange even by paranormal standards--my neighbors birds broadcast a clumsy "**** you" (the F sounds much different to bird ears) as I was drifting into sleep. The second time was last night. I have basically confirmed that others hear this voice of mine, and made the effort to quiet it, and heard a loud and irritated 'what the **** is that' from my next door neighbor, referencing my previous inability to silence it. Both of these events shocked me back into my full waking conciousness, complete with my persistent inner voice. Could I be using it as a defense mechanism against hearing others? I do often imagine what I would say to people, not only in general but also in the situation right in front of me--could this be because I instinctually know they hear it, and although I wouldn't dare say these things out loud I want to communicate it? I don't want to communicate these things though, and I feel that others' hearing me plan my speech before I say it is an invasion of privacy!

This is all new and a little scary and still somewhat doubtful to me. Does everyone hear my voice, or only some? Are people communicating to me without my knowledge, thereby making their thoughts seem as my own? I was doing math homework last night and repeating the letter P in the formula, and one Q, except when I looked over what I had written and what the problem stated, there were no Qs only Ps, and I believe the Q was planted by my roommate who was irritated at my constant chatter. Obviously, this is just the tip of the iceberg of possibilities that this open channel of communication can bring. How can I control it and use it to serve myself? Am I really just schizo?

Any advice or wisdom would mean a lot. Thanks.

I know this because I used to be pissed at the world. I could walk into a room and everyone would read into it. Now, even when I'm happy I'm pretty easy to read on a bunch of stuff. You can tell because my skin reacts with subtle and not-so-subtle color changes. I don't even realize it, but people tell me all the time. Whatever you really think hard about usually shows outwardly in some way. Very few people can mask it, actually. It does seem like magic sometimes, I'll give ya that.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by tonality

I am glad to have found this forum, it may be the one place where these thoughts are considered with some respect.

I have felt for a few years now like my internal monologue, which has been my primary method of reasoning (and I would have considered myself very rational, maybe too much so), I feel like my internal monologue is broadcast for anyone to hear. The most obvious times are with birds--my neighbors have some and it is 100% clear from their responses that they do hear my thoughts, and it's obvious to me that people are also recieving this. I recently moved to a city where it seems like everyone picks up on this and chastises me for it. Not only this, but in addition to the normal covert hypnosis techniques people use here, my loud internal monologue gives people a control over me.

I have only become aware of other people's telepathic communication on two occasions as far as I know. The first time was strange even by paranormal standards--my neighbors birds broadcast a clumsy "**** you" (the F sounds much different to bird ears) as I was drifting into sleep. The second time was last night. I have basically confirmed that others hear this voice of mine, and made the effort to quiet it, and heard a loud and irritated 'what the **** is that' from my next door neighbor, referencing my previous inability to silence it. Both of these events shocked me back into my full waking conciousness, complete with my persistent inner voice. Could I be using it as a defense mechanism against hearing others? I do often imagine what I would say to people, not only in general but also in the situation right in front of me--could this be because I instinctually know they hear it, and although I wouldn't dare say these things out loud I want to communicate it? I don't want to communicate these things though, and I feel that others' hearing me plan my speech before I say it is an invasion of privacy!

This is all new and a little scary and still somewhat doubtful to me. Does everyone hear my voice, or only some? Are people communicating to me without my knowledge, thereby making their thoughts seem as my own? I was doing math homework last night and repeating the letter P in the formula, and one Q, except when I looked over what I had written and what the problem stated, there were no Qs only Ps, and I believe the Q was planted by my roommate who was irritated at my constant chatter. Obviously, this is just the tip of the iceberg of possibilities that this open channel of communication can bring. How can I control it and use it to serve myself? Am I really just schizo?

Any advice or wisdom would mean a lot. Thanks.

Its is absolutely for real, trust me man when I say that "everyone hears everyone elses thoughts to a greater or lesser degree all of the time" I know also for a fact that when I bring this subject up nine times"or more" out of ten I get almost violent verbal reactions from people simply because they will not for one moment contemplate that this is true, full stop. It is such an affront to their ego that they will stop people from even contemplating it at much cost. When I first started to get into psychic phenomena I meditated a lot and my mind became so quiet that when I went into quiet places like , strangely enough shopping centres where people are thinking about their daily purchases I could almost make out their internal verbalisations. It comes accross at first like a low murmur that is hard to make out but you know that it is definitely there. Later I could hear snippets of their self talk and especially when they were angry it would come across loud and clear. Emotions play a big part in broadcasting our self talk. I have never been able to outright read another persons thoughts and have never really tried but I don't need to as later I found that I could ask people questions in my head and get answers directly back without their knowledge and these answers bi passed the persons normal concious filters, giving me an unusual insight into the way people truly think. I can understand how people would normally react to this, since to me ten years ago I would have considered it complete BS, but on many occasions I have come up to people and told them things about themselves that they thought nobody else knew. I guess the main thing I would like to get across to you is that would you have brought this subject up if you didn't think it was possible? No, you already know inside yourself that it is true or you would not have even contemplated its veracity, but just one word of warning don't be too free telling others about this ability because I have possesed it for years and have given up on finding one person who is spiritually mature enough to handle it. Also the more we quiet the mind and listen to others then yes the louder we become ourselves and broadcast our internal dialog
at a more precise and amplified level. I am always very careful in regards to this since if I lose control of my internal thoughts I can actually stand in front of people while internally verbalizing and see their faces change before my eyes, they can hear me but don't register it conciously but internally they know it. Try it yourself while keeping your face and mannerisms
absolutely still and you will surprise youself, its absolutely mind blowing when you realize the implications of this knowledge upon the human race, truly we are all blind. Peace brother

[foxyfox]

Hi Tonality,

There is a big difference between Telepathy and 'Thought broadcasting' and 'delusional thoughts', with the latter being symptoms of thought disorders and schizophrenia.

From what you wrote, it seems to me that you are suffering from some possible paranoid thoughts. I urge that you seek some professional help to sort out this issue. Your experience does not seem related to spiritual power or ability but rather some internal thought processes (e.g imagination, break down of thought processes, presecution thoughts).

[Enagee]

I understand how it is for you. You could try to block it out of your mind and not become aware of it (what other people send you by telepathy) I am pretty sure that could work. I know it's real but don't expect everyone to belive you. Don't expect anyone to talk about or tell you it that they could read your thoughts but if you ask a friend to do a telepathy test that's probably the best thing. Have you always been telepathic?

[amixa]

Hey tonality.
I understand what you're going through.. after experiencing telepathy I started becoming slightly paranoid as to who could read my thoughts.
But what they say is true; much of what you're thinking can be read by body language and slight changes in expression. Most people do not even believe in telepathy. As suggested above there is a difference as well with broadcasting thoughts.
Its good you question all this and ask for advice, it shows you're not crazy. I literally thought I was becoming schizo for a while too.
One thing though. This:

Originally Posted by tonality

I was doing math homework last night and repeating the letter P in the formula, and one Q, except when I looked over what I had written and what the problem stated, there were no Qs only Ps, and I believe the Q was planted by my roommate who was irritated at my constant chatter.

does sound a bit like paranoia and for your own sanity drift away from the whole possibility of telepathy for a bit. Then slowly approach it again but from a safe angle so that it doesn't feel like you're going crazy.
Telepathy is real but the chances of your roommate planting letters on your homework are pretty slim...

[Revolution]

Yeah, I've had a major problem with birds reading my mind too!!! It seems they have no life of their own.

One day I was just walking along minding my own business when out of nowhere a ****ing magpie flys over head and drops a **** on me!!! ... And I said (telepathically) that if it even thought of doing such a thing again I would kick its arse!!! And then it goes: "oh yeah, you and who's army?" while laughing with some nearby birds.

ah jeez I dunno! what can ya do?!!

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by Revolution

Yeah, I've had a major problem with birds reading my mind too!!! It seems they have no life of their own.

One day I was just walking along minding my own business when out of nowhere a ****ing magpie flys over head and drops a **** on me!!! ... And I said (telepathically) that if it even thought of doing such a thing again I would kick its arse!!! And then it goes: "oh yeah, you and who's army?" while laughing with some nearby birds.

ah jeez I dunno! what can ya do?!!

LOL. Imagine a mere bird having all that power over you...same as a tiny bee chasing people all over the place.

If they have that power, imagine what we can do...

[raphnix]

I don't believe in telepathy nor with mind control. But i do believe in spirits and psychics.

[John Freestone]

Hi tonality, my thoughts on this are close to Dannyboy1 and foxyfox. I don't believe in telepathy, unless we define it has happening through subtle clues in body language, etc., and I believe there is quite a good amount of evidence that these natural (as opposed to supernatural) forms of communication are the only way people get to know our internal dialogue. We read very subtle changes in skin tone, tiny movements of muscles, and perhaps pheromones too, while the context of the meeting and other observable things about them can allow us to make lucky guesses about them. The phenomena of cold reading, loose interpretation of what is a true statement, and a whole bunch of other logical stuff adds to the feeling that these must be valid experiences: see, in fact, they often are somewhat valid, because of that ability, and there are many debunking mind-readers who will demonstrate exactly how it happens, but it doesn't mean that you are broadcasting everything you're thinking, or that your imaginative interpretation of what they are thinking is right.

As some have said, one of the ways forward would be to test your apparent gift/curse/ability or whatever you want to call it, but be warned: unless you are a very careful investigator, you are likely to be biased in ways that most of us don't even know about. In fact, I would suggest that because you have these ideas so strongly, you are very likely to be biased in your investigation of it. I don't mean that as an insult at all. Most of us are extremely open to blurring the divide between reality and imagination.

The fact that you are asking about this, for instance, someone has suggested shows that deep down you know it's true. That's the kind of circular thinking that keeps people trapped in their illusions. I could say, equally logically, that since you asked "Am I really just schizo?", that you really are just schizophrenic. If you sit quietly and let yourself think that, you will know, 'deep down' that it's true. If you sit quietly and let yourself think that you're gifted with the power to read minds, you'll find that 'deep down' it's true. We can only get at the real truth by more careful, roundabout means, I believe. Deep down I was once a believer. Now deep down I'm an atheist. Neither of my deep downs will make God true or false, or he's a curious kind of a God at least.

And on the subject of mental illness, you might like to think about this: what you describe are symptoms that - I'll take a guess - maybe several million? people will tell you were very like theirs. They will tell you, quite calmly, that they know now that they were suffering from a mental illness and imagined all sorts of things. I have some knowledge of this area, since I am an ex-therapist. Some of them recover and do not need any ongoing treatment, others find that they prefer to keep taking some kind of medication to control the symptoms. Now, I'm sure some people reading this will balk at my entrenchment in old-school rationalism and think it's awful that I'm scaring you with suggestions that you're mad. On the other hand, people are mad, millions of us, and maybe they are too. If some people are ever mad, then logically it is possible that you are, or I am, or we both are, and we must take whatever steps we need to to deal with that fact squarely. I suspect that you will, perhaps in the course of this discussion, recognise the power of your imagination and don't need any psychological treatment. On the other hand, talking to someone, like a counsellor or a caring friend or family member whom you trust, might help to put things in perspective.

You're young. You have an unruly imagination. It is in fact a great gift if you can learn to bring it under the control of your reasoning power, something that separates you from the birds. Thinking critically might help too: do you think, for instance, that birds have some spiritual dimension on which they can actually understand anything a human being says (other than reacting to a general sense of how threatening you appear, etc.)? For your idea of transmitting thoughts to the birds, you would presumably have to have dismissed the scientific world view, in which birds are pretty dumb animals descended from the dinosaurs, and in which human beings are probably the only species with anything like a rational thought process. It almost goes without saying, too, that you must have dismissed the centuries of scientific investigation into telepathy, which has - despite what people will tell you here - found no evidence for it whatsoever.

I have entertained such beliefs most of my life, you're not alone. I think of myself as a recovering mystic.

All the best
John

[fellowtraveler]

Originally Posted by John Freestone

...And on the subject of mental illness, you might like to think about this: what you describe are symptoms that - I'll take a guess - maybe several million? people will tell you were very like theirs. They will tell you, quite calmly, that they know now that they were suffering from a mental illness and imagined all sorts of things. I have some knowledge of this area, since I am an ex-therapist. Some of them recover and do not need any ongoing treatment, others find that they prefer to keep taking some kind of medication to control the symptoms. Now, I'm sure some people reading this will balk at my entrenchment in old-school rationalism and think it's awful that I'm scaring you with suggestions that you're mad. On the other hand, people are mad, millions of us...

Although I disagree with you on the atheistic thing, and I think true telepathy might be possible, you are right on the money with this. I have family members who suffer(ed) from psychotic breakdowns. There are those on here who would tell us to leave them alone, as they're seeing "true reality". I say, well maybe they are...but that doesn't stop them from walking out into traffic or forgetting to eat, or shower on a regular basis.

Better they be frightened into seeking help than go through the agony I've seen my loved ones go through.

I did see an article the other day suggesting that long-term talking therapy can help serious mental ilness. The drugs are not a real good thing but necessary sometimes. I'm hoping my loved one can be weaned off them eventually.

May I ask why you left the therapy profession, if it's not too personal? Did you find it fruitless? Too taxing? Low pay? I ask only because I'm toying with the idea of doing that as a second career.

Thanks.

[John Freestone]

Originally Posted by fellowtraveler

Although I disagree with you on the atheistic thing, and I think true telepathy might be possible, you are right on the money with this. I have family members who suffer(ed) from psychotic breakdowns. There are those on here who would tell us to leave them alone, as they're seeing "true reality". I say, well maybe they are...but that doesn't stop them from walking out into traffic or forgetting to eat, or shower on a regular basis.

Better they be frightened into seeking help than go through the agony I've seen my loved ones go through.

Yes. Thanks for saying that. I always feel it's a risk to mention psychological problems in response to such posts about intuitions and supernatural powers. Decades ago a number of psychologists and philosophers pointed out that we have no absolutely reliable knowledge, and we only assume that the shared reality of the masses is the right one, and this leads us to label people who experience things differently from the norm as mad or ill, and that is untenable, a collective arrogance (and, arguably, a shared mental illness!). Psychologists used to have 'adjustment' of individuals as their express aim without any embarrassment, but after that relativization of sanity and truth, they have to (rightly) concentrate much more on helping people to improve their lives by their opinion of that rather than society's.

But you're right: functionally our 'shared reality' has a great many advantages and keeps us safe a lot of the time. We can argue 'til the cows come home about how real it is or how deluded we are in our collective realities, and the whole philosophical point was in fact a rather 'fine' or academic one in the first place: adjustment to our society is a natural part of personal health; it's hardwired into us, which is why we get lonely if we don't feel we fit in very well (for one thing) and if clear vision of reality can't be guaranteed collectively, neither can it be guaranteed individually (for another). This last bit relates to that erroneous judgement people make, which you mentioned, that the person who is perceiving and behaving in unusual ways is 'seeing things truly as they are': there is absolutely no reason to think that, and more reason to believe that they aren't.

In a similar vein, it is just possible that some spiritual vision results from altered mental states (e.g. in meditation, using drugs, in sensory deprivation, mental illness, etc.), but the jury is very much out, and a lot of neurologists and the like will tell you it's very much the other way round.

I did see an article the other day suggesting that long-term talking therapy can help serious mental ilness. The drugs are not a real good thing but necessary sometimes. I'm hoping my loved one can be weaned off them eventually.

I hope so too. I think these situations are very variable, and what helps one person (and of course is an acceptable way forward for them) won't suit another. I know that in my own case I would try my hardest to work through mental illness with a counsellor, go into a retreat, drop everything and travel (if I'm well enough), use alternative medicine, and a host of other things to avoid getting a prescription for something like an anti-psychotic, but I'm just a bit of an old hippie. I can't advise anyone else on what they need.

May I ask why you left the therapy profession, if it's not too personal? Did you find it fruitless? Too taxing? Low pay? I ask only because I'm toying with the idea of doing that as a second career.

I'd recommend it to anyone who feels they have what it takes (which, of course, I do ). It can be very stressful depending on circumstances. I gave it up for a combination of reasons: the stress, low pay, I don't like some of the political changes in the profession (UK), and mostly I felt it was time for a change. I worked from home and can always go back to it with some advertising. I do miss it sometimes....but we're really hijacking this thread! Feel free to PM me if you want to hear more about that.

Tonality, I'm wondering if you've been reading the responses to your OP that you posted in mid-summer, and how you think and feel about it now. We're not demonstrating very good 'listening skills' here, we just seem to have opinions. I haven't forgotten that there's a real person behind the words, though, and I'm rooting for you. I hope you get to the truth about this and get more peace in your life.

@Revolution, I don't know if that was meant as a tongue-in-cheek friendly jibe (maybe you two know each other) or if you really intended to ridicule tonality, but it looked to me like the latter. If it was, maybe you could consider people's feelings in future? Or maybe it's just me. Or maybe you're serious and the birds laugh at you.