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|11-29-2006, 08:47 PM||#1 (permalink)|
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Face-Mounted Lucid Dreaming Mask
cre.ations.net - Creation: Face-mounted Lucid Dreaming Mask
What do you aspiring lucid dreamers think of this little matrix device?
|11-30-2006, 01:41 AM||#3 (permalink)|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Melbourne, FL
Interesting. I'm pretty new to lucid dreaming and it's initiation techniques, so let me make sure I have this right and that this guys device actually makes sense - and that I'm not off the map regarding my understanding:
[Note: You many want to refer to the link in the original post fo before reading further. My reply is based on the explanation of and experience with the device its creator claims.]
The idea is to flash a light at a level where you will not notice it if you are in a dreamless sleep state, but you will notice it if you are dreaming or awake. Of course this means that at some point(s) during the night you will make notice of the light which means you're either dreaming or awake, which then creates the opportunity for you to do a reality test, and if it fails - bingo, you're lucid. Is this correct? Generally, it makes sense.
When I think about it though, it gets complicated.
First off, is it even proven that you are more inclined to notice light stimulous while in a dream than you are without dreaming as this guy seems to claim? Or maybe is it more accurate to say that you're more likely to notice it in REM state over other states - regardless of actual dream state - but given that REM is when dreams mostly occur, the claim tends to end up true more often than not anyway?
Either way, I'll consider the premise true for now that if you are asleep, you'll only see the light if you are in a dream...
Now, about reality tests. If you are actually awake, your reality will be true - it's you laying in bed with a whacky contraption glued to your face shining a light at you! If you are actually dreaming, your reality will be whatever it is that you are dreaming (e.g. you're taking a test in class, getting chased by a monster, whatever). And then you see the light? Superimposed in your dreamworld? How is there any guarantee that you'll not just accept this as part of the reality of your dream and remain unlucid? Or if you do notice within your dream the flashing light is defying your reality, wouldn't you simply become lucid right then and there, that this itself becomes the reality check? (e.g. you're getting chased by a monster and everything seems normal, but then you see light and realize 'ah-ha, that's not normal, I'm dreaming, I'm now lucid!')
I guess what I'm saying is that I don't understand how this person seems to indicate that when he notices the light his reality, whether real or his dream reality, will always be of him laying in bed, so he can do the fly-out-the-window reality test. If he is really dreaming, he simply wouldn't be laying in bed at all, sans a million-to-one shot that's what the dream is actually about.
Let's still take it literally that this does work and, as this person seems to indicate, whether you are awake or dreaming, your reality when you notice the light will always be of you laying in bed - every time. Well this can't be a "real" dream as debunked above, but perhaps the lines are blurred. Is there a chance that in some sort of half-dream, half-awake state you would conciously notice the light enough to realize the true reality of you laying in bed, but be so close to sleep/dream that if you were to attempt something impossible in the true reality (like fly through the window without using legs) there's a chance you could succeed and in effect, kickstart yourself into a dream in which you acheive lucidity immediately??
I'm intrigued and am wanting to believe there is some truth to the overall premise, but I can't make sense of the persons explanation if taken literally. Any thoughts on this?
Last edited by ViceVirtue; 11-30-2006 at 01:47 AM.
|12-05-2006, 07:49 PM||#4 (permalink)|
Join Date: Dec 2006
As far as I am concerned my higher self is already wearing one of these things. More like a virtual reality helmet though. I have came to the realization(atleast 15 times) that everything in my plain of view is a part of me...no seperation this is realized ona visual scale and sensory scale...I can feel my entire field of view as my body. I then begin to zoom out of this view and have the realization that I have a higher self who is wearing the mask of this reality I am in and I have other hands and other feet and If I just reach them around the front of my plain of view I can rip off this mask of lies but I never do I always bring myself back to this body because I fear the unknown and I don't want this to be pointless, I feel I have a goal not yet achieved(save the world, just dunno how yet but thats what my higher self keeps telling me. Only I can do it cuz there is only I...ok whatever buddy just tell me how already). So I don't want to remove the mask yet, my goal is not accomplished. If I leave now it was all a waste.
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