We all experience our guides differently

[Lallymac]

I did a reading for a lovely lady (in her late 40's) this morning and had a beautiful experience that I thought I'd share. People often ask about guides and how to experience them.

I usually start my readings by asking the clients date of birth and do a quick skim through their numbers. Sometimes spirit will jump in before I get to write the numbers down and they usually take over within the first couple of mins.

Asking the numbers is my tuning fork to form a connection with my client.
With this client I only got a couple of sentences out when out of my mouth came, 'Gosh, apart from a brief venture here not long before this life, you've spent quite some time on high levels in spirit. You lasted to age six and as your charkras began to close over you chickened out and passed back to spirit.'

As I was saying this, an incredible sensation began in my feet. It felt the beating of a thousand butterfly wings, accompanied by a tingling sensation on my skin. It rose up my legs and through my body. When it reached my heart, my whole body was filled with total unconditional love. Spirit tears were streaming down my cheeks. A man's soft voice said, 'Hasn't she done well. We are so proud of her for accomplishing what she came to do.'

I said the words and then said, 'I've just had this amazing sensation.' My client smiled at me through her tears and said, 'I was so hoping they'd come through. I felt it with you.' The sensation moved across me throughout the reading.

I'm very visual and my guides usually flash me to get my attention. I see either larges orbs of lilac energy that splash down the walls or small bursts (sprays) of blue and silvery white energy. I remember doing a reading for a male healer a few years ago and having the weird sensation of pages of words being absorbed through my skin. He laughed when I told and said that was how his guides had always communicated with him.

How do you experience your guides?

Lallymac

[Mato Kinze]

We pretty much just sit and chat like you or I would over a cup of coffee at Starbuck's.

Sounds sort of mundane for talking to entities who are here to make sure you do what you're supposed to do, but Spirit for me has never been about the big "OMG!" moments but rather the little things that go on day-to-day. And when my guides have something they need to say, they generally do it very succinctly and with no question as to what they meant or need me to do.

[Old Soul]

And when my guides have something they need to say, they generally do it very succinctly and with no question as to what they meant or need me to do

I have met people, complete strangers chatted for a few moments, then all of a sudden I have an entire poem in my head , it is about the person whom I meet..

I never considered this before but do you think it might be my guides giving me these poems?

let me give you an example.... I met this person one day who was in the Navy, he was talking about his family and how being in the Navy is hard on his wife and kids... in that moment I really felt his heart break.... and here is the poem that imprinted on my mind........ I was online at the time of this happeneing chatting to this person, so as quickly as it came to my mind I typed it out for him , he said it blew him away , that I was in a flash able to write out what he was feeling...... here is the poem that came through ? to? me

"Lovesick Sailor"

Just as red is to the Rose
The sun to the glory of the sky
I am but a Sailor to sea
My love I bid you a forelorne good by
Just as the captian to his command
The stars that shine so bright
Many the night I lay awake dreaming of you each night
Time is to endless days so near yet afar
A grown mans tear unseen
My heart you truly are
We shall be soon my love
Near, but for now apart
Even as the fade of this Rose
but never dull in heart

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Old Soul

I never considered this before but do you think it might be my guides giving me these poems?

The Greeks called her "Caliope" - the Muse of Epic Poetry. Of course, in this case, it may have been Melpomene, the Muse of Tragedy.

Yes, I think these things come from your guides. Just about anytime something comes unbidden and in full form to your consciousness, it is a result of your guides placing it there.

[danman85]

I usually get a message when I am doing something like cleaning, driving, working, cooking...I'll just be going about my task with thoughts running through my head, and then I will usually just say something involuntarily to myself out loud...when I first realized this happens, I would usually forget what it was I said to myself out loud, but I am getting to the point where I remember sometimes. Its just so unexpected that when I realize what happens, I forget it as well.

I also receive poems about people I meet or talk to, but they are not usually as long, just something like a clever saying. The only example I can think of at the moment was when I was at a concert, I saw this extremely tall guy walking around, and the thought "Big in flesh, small at heart" came to me. It's a bit insulting, honestly, but that's what I thought, and those little statements with clever wording is usually how it comes through.

[Old Soul]

Just about anytime something comes unbidden and in full form to your consciousness, it is a result of your guides placing it there.

wow that is just so neat!! thx

[Old Soul]

Here is one , I was hanging up laundry, and my good friend and neighbor stopped over, so we are chatting about everything and anything, and she said something to the effect , "Thats my Gord , he is a good man" ( meaning her husband)

this is what came to me immediately following.. And later after going over it again , I thought why does this poem sound like something from a different era in time, it is not the way we talk today lol


Send me a good man
A man with a sweatied brow
A man who stands tall and proud
And works for his pennies pay
At the crack of dawn
He is long gone
Only first to fill his hearth
And he won't give in to a fifth of Gin
Unlike a wayward sailor
A man who works and eats
A woman he'll keep
And never bother with complaints ( yeah right show me any human above that) lol
This man of nigh would end my sigh
For a good man is a saint
But who am I that I might sigh
pining over such heartfelt things
Well I'm a lonely spinstress waiting
Waiting on a golden wedding ring!

When this piece came to me... I saw a picture in my mind of this woman cleaning an old pub and she was sad .... this picture was shrouded in a type of greyish halo or grey light

[oberlee]

Old Soul, I think that's amazing! It does sound very old fashioned--almost sort of like those old ballads. Beautiful.

I'm still trying to really connect with my guides on a more...visceral level, I guess. but I have a good connection to one--well, I guess it's my higher self. I have a woman inside my head, and she changes, but she's my 'guide' through all things, and I can talk to her, especially when I'm alone at home. I don't think that's a guide, though, I think it's my higher self which is different...how do you know the difference?

The times I've felt my guides (as I think of them) is mostly in times of despair, when I've felt comfort accompanied by a tingling sensation over my body. I often also get this tingling when thinking about a recently deceased loved one, and it always seems to give a message of peace.

So, what's the difference in the roles between guides, deceased loved ones who are with us sometimes, and our higher selves?

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by oberlee

Old Soul, I think that's amazing! It does sound very old fashioned--almost sort of like those old ballads. Beautiful.

I'm still trying to really connect with my guides on a more...visceral level, I guess. but I have a good connection to one--well, I guess it's my higher self. I have a woman inside my head, and she changes, but she's my 'guide' through all things, and I can talk to her, especially when I'm alone at home. I don't think that's a guide, though, I think it's my higher self which is different...how do you know the difference?

The times I've felt my guides (as I think of them) is mostly in times of despair, when I've felt comfort accompanied by a tingling sensation over my body. I often also get this tingling when thinking about a recently deceased loved one, and it always seems to give a message of peace.

So, what's the difference in the roles between guides, deceased loved ones who are with us sometimes, and our higher selves?

I'll take a stab at this from my perspective and the Path that I follow. I'll use the words that I was taught to describe the things you are discussing. But before I do that, understand that this is just MY perspective based on what I have been taught and experienced on my own. We all have different ways of viewing and understanding Spirit, so what I say may not work for you.

That being said, there are three major types of entities that people deal with on the Spiritual plane: Benefactors, Allies, and Ancestors.

The Benefactor, or what some call the Higher Self, is a highly placed Spiritual entity whose sole function is to help you acheive what you orginally incarnated to achieve. They are your teacher, your protector, your "swift kick in the Spiritual butt", whatever is necessary to help you fulfill your original purpose. Your Benefactor is totally committed to you and no one else. They love you unconditionally and accept everything about you without judgement and they always act in your best interest - even when you think they're just being difficult.

Allies, or what some call Angels, are purly Spiritual beings who will help you when called upon, but do not have any specific contract with you. Some people have Allies that stay with them their entire life. Some will take the assistance and help of many different Allies in their lifetime. They can take on any form - plant (such as sacred herbs), animal (otherwise known as Totems), mineral (anyone ever "worked with crystals"?), elementals (Air, Earth, Fire and Water), or even Human. But they are pretty neutral and separate entities and don't "owe" us anything. Therefore, respect, humility, and integrity are the most important attributes to have when seeking their aid. Also, reciprocity is essential. When something is taken, something must be given in exchange.

Ancestors are those spiritual beings who have incarnated as humans at least once but are currently in a spiritual state "soaking up" if you will, what they learned from their last incarnation. These entities can be fickle. You can usually get them to "play along" and convince them to help, but they still have enough of the Tonal in them to do whatever they deem they should. Often, the most appeasment is required to convince these entities to help you or communicate with you. They are also the most likely to be antagonistic to you.

So. Nagual 101

Peace and Blessings,
Mato Kinze

[oberlee]

Thank you, Mato Kinze! I really appreciate the time you took to answer my question...and I hope I didn't derail the thread, but I guess it is important to know exactly what a "guide" is...actually, I would be curious to know what you thought of guides--are they real? That is, in the contractual sense? Or, do you believe we interpret angels to be guides, and ancestors to be guides, but we don't have--necessarily--specific individual guides?

I only ask because I definitely have a relationship with my benefactor, as you call it, and somewhat with some ancestors, those I have and have not met, but I don't know where or how to find guides. I only know they're there.

thanks! PM me if it gets too off-the-topic. And have a great night (it's night in Cally).

[Lallymac]

My own personal experience with my higher self, allies (or spirit beings) and ancestors is slightly different to Mato Kinze's.

From what I understand, my higher self is the fullness of me, while my physical being is an aspect. Rather than just my benefactor (helper, teacher, protector), my higher self is fully connected to me. It is wholeness of all my potential, experiencing itself as me while at the same time connected to all that is. My higher self is me not a separate entity.

I agree with what Mato Kinze says about allies up to point reciprocity. Our relationships with these higher level energies is purely unconditional. They have no need from us. The very fact we connect with them and learn is enough for them to stay in communication.

When we are born into this world, we are connected to spirit by two cords. One is an ancestral cord that carries residue from our genetic ancestors and the other is a soul cord that carries residual memory of our souls journey from previous incarnations on earth. We may or may not have previously incarnated into the family we have chosen this time. We may have had many previous lifetimes in any number of different lands and cultures.

My genetic ancestors often pop in for a visit and present themselves across a broad range of awareness that co-relates pretty much to their level of awareness in their physical life. My maternal grandmother who I never met, comes through often as a spiritual teacher which she was before she died. My paternal grandmother visits when we have family get togethers to join in the fun or with simple messages that relate to family members.

Some of my guides have shown lifetimes that we've shared and others say they are me. Some present in more than one physical guise from more than one previous life. Others take no physical form and present as pure energy. Their messages have different characteristics and one may come forward because the question I've asked is their area of expertise. When my first couple of guides had taught me all they could, they stepped back and made way for new guides who took me through the next stage. Initially I experience a period of grief as they moved away because I'd formed a strong bond with them. But they still pop back now and again so I've learned to trust the process.

Lallymac

[Mags]

My guides feel like a group of really close friends. Each of them has a different "energy signature", yet all of them also have a very loving and beautiful presence.

I communicate with them in different ways. One is by journalling, another is by talking to them (sometimes out loud if I am alone at home, otherwise in my head ). And I sometimes "see them" in my mind's eye.

When I am communicating with them, I feel them standing or sitting next to me. For example, when I am journalling, I often feel someone standing behind me with their hands on my shoulders. I mentioned in another thread that when this happens, my cat (who usually sits on my desk next to my computer while I work) will look intently over my shoulder. Sometimes she even starts purring

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by Lallymac

My own personal experience with my higher self, allies (or spirit beings) and ancestors is slightly different to Mato Kinze's.

From what I understand, my higher self is the fullness of me, while my physical being is an aspect. Rather than just my benefactor (helper, teacher, protector), my higher self is fully connected to me. It is wholeness of all my potential, experiencing itself as me while at the same time connected to all that is. My higher self is me not a separate entity.

I agree with what Mato Kinze says about allies up to point reciprocity. Our relationships with these higher level energies is purely unconditional. They have no need from us. The very fact we connect with them and learn is enough for them to stay in communication.

When we are born into this world, we are connected to spirit by two cords. One is an ancestral cord that carries residue from our genetic ancestors and the other is a soul cord that carries residual memory of our souls journey from previous incarnations on earth. We may or may not have previously incarnated into the family we have chosen this time. We may have had many previous lifetimes in any number of different lands and cultures.

My genetic ancestors often pop in for a visit and present themselves across a broad range of awareness that co-relates pretty much to their level of awareness in their physical life. My maternal grandmother who I never met, comes through often as a spiritual teacher which she was before she died. My paternal grandmother visits when we have family get togethers to join in the fun or with simple messages that relate to family members.

Some of my guides have shown lifetimes that we've shared and others say they are me. Some present in more than one physical guise from more than one previous life. Others take no physical form and present as pure energy. Their messages have different characteristics and one may come forward because the question I've asked is their area of expertise. When my first couple of guides had taught me all they could, they stepped back and made way for new guides who took me through the next stage. Initially I experience a period of grief as they moved away because I'd formed a strong bond with them. But they still pop back now and again so I've learned to trust the process.

Lallymac

I agree with everything you said. I think we have very similar experiences and understanding. Your explanation was certainly more thorough than mine, but I was trying to keep it sort of simple by way of introduction.

When I talk of reciprocity, it comes more from an aspect of respect and humility. You're right that Allies and Guides don't NEED anything from us, but practicing respect and humility in the end are better for us.

Thanks for your insight.

[Lallymac]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

I agree with everything you said. I think we have very similar experiences and understanding. Your explanation was certainly more thorough than mine, but I was trying to keep it sort of simple by way of introduction.

When I talk of reciprocity, it comes more from an aspect of respect and humility. You're right that Allies and Guides don't NEED anything from us, but practicing respect and humility in the end are better for us.

Thanks for your insight.

Hi Mato Kinze,

It's difficult to convey spiritual experience through the written word. Because of the heightened/extended sensory nature, words often fail to explain. Along with respect and humility, to experience more of ourselves beyond the physical requires openness, curiosity and almost childlike trust or innocence that is devoid of fear. Authors of children's books (like Alice in Wonderland and The Lion The Witch and The Wardrobe) capture the quality with the main characters interrelating with respect within the 'out of the ordinary' environments they find themselves in.

Lallymac

[oberlee]

I like both of your analyses... I just don't exactly know how to connect with my guides, or maybe I just don't know how to differentiate between my higher self and my guides. I have become pretty good and consulting my higher self, and knowing when it's her and when it's my ego masquerading as my higher guide.

I tried to meet them once in a meditation, and one was a young girl and she said her name was "Angela." I think it's actually "Angelina," my maternal grandmother I never met...that name often pops into my head. Then again, it has 'angel' in it...lol...

Thanks to everyone and their insights on this thread. Much love to all!!

[Andreatexas]

has anyone heard of the Light Collective theory?

i've just recently begun to learn more about it. Its very enjoyable and kind of ties in with all of this.

[Mags]

Hi Andrea

I haven't heard of it myself. Can you give us a summary? Or a link to a website that explains it?

[Andreatexas]

Yes, I learned of this from Kathryn Harwig.
It's a really amazing thing Many people that I encountered in the midwest were very spiritual!
harwig.com