Santeria, Roots, Curses, Black Magic

[172]

Hi everyone. Here's my question...

Is it possible to effectively be the object of a hex/curse/spell/black magic if you yourself do not ascribe to those theories and are to some degree skeptical that they even are authentic?

I have a dear friend whom I love who is a wonderful person and an exceptional humanitarian who has experienced an excessive stream of bad and sad luck, freak accidents, and unrelenting dark spells of depression. All in this course of the past 365 days.

This friend puts out amazing and impactful contributions to help heal human suffering in his line of work. He is humble, authentic and longsuffering for issues affecting humanity and yet, over the past year has been the recipient of some of the most incongruous and negative fortune that I've ever seen one person subject to in such a short period of time.

I just recently began suspecting that perhaps someone, specifically a lover scorned, could have possibly successfully had some kind of hex put upon him? I became more convinced this weekend after he suffered a freak accident of sorts that has left him injured...nothing longterm....but it struck me as indicative of something else at work over his safety and his progress. Each negative occurrence ranges from inconvenience to injury or illness to chronic depressive episodes to professional setbacks ...whomever has done this wants to prevent growth and happiness for him and maintain a consistent state of discord and sadness in his life.

Is it possible for this to have occurred even though he is a skeptic and an intellectual who doesn't give much thought to the paranormal....?

Can a curse be put on someone who doesn't necessarily believe in it? If so, what's the course of action to end it and gain protection from future attacks of this kind?

[172]

Seriously? No one here has experience, knowledge in this arena?

[BringTheDarkness]

I do.

Yes, it is possible although I'd think it is unlikely. You really need more information than to just guess though.

BTD

[Erin Pavlina]

172, you gotta give people more than a few hours to respond. You posted at 10:24pm and most of our board is asleep at that time.

On to your question...

There could be one of two things going on here besides just rotten luck.

First, it is possible for someone (like a scorned lover) to consciously send negative energy to someone else if they are very powerful, congruent, and willing to accept the intense negative karma that's going to go along with it. If the person receiving the "curse" is not strong willed then they are a sitting duck. Depression is a low vibrational state so your friend would be more prone to this sort of thing yes.

The other explanation ditches the idea of someone trying to harm him and instead it could be that he is subconsciously sabotaging himself because he is a vibrational match for failure or delay for some reason.

In the first case, your friend needs to call on his angels to help him. Michael would be a good choice. And he needs to raise his vibration as high as possible to a state of love and joy and gratitude and lose the depression.

In the second case, your friend needs to get over his fear of success and become a vibrational match for helping humanity, which is what it seems he wants to do.

There are some dark conscious entities who would like nothing more than to see humanitarians suffer, so it may not even be a human doing this to him.

[172]

Thank you Erin. My apologies for the impatience.

Thank you for your suggestions. I am particularly struck by your suggestion that there are forces that like to see humanitarians suffer. How does one protect himself from inhuman forces like this?

Also, is a person able to pray for a loved one's protection? For instance, am I able to call on angels to give him some kind of protection or even just the desire to seek protection?

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

172, you gotta give people more than a few hours to respond. You posted at 10:24pm and most of our board is asleep at that time.

On to your question...

There could be one of two things going on here besides just rotten luck.

First, it is possible for someone (like a scorned lover) to consciously send negative energy to someone else if they are very powerful, congruent, and willing to accept the intense negative karma that's going to go along with it. If the person receiving the "curse" is not strong willed then they are a sitting duck. Depression is a low vibrational state so your friend would be more prone to this sort of thing yes.

The other explanation ditches the idea of someone trying to harm him and instead it could be that he is subconsciously sabotaging himself because he is a vibrational match for failure or delay for some reason.

In the first case, your friend needs to call on his angels to help him. Michael would be a good choice. And he needs to raise his vibration as high as possible to a state of love and joy and gratitude and lose the depression.

In the second case, your friend needs to get over his fear of success and become a vibrational match for helping humanity, which is what it seems he wants to do.

There are some dark conscious entities who would like nothing more than to see humanitarians suffer, so it may not even be a human doing this to him.

[Erin Pavlina]

Yes you can send angels to help your friend. However it is ideal if they ask themselves. I know that angels can't/don't interfere unless they are asked for help.

One of the best ways to protect yourself from conscious negative entities is to simply raise your level of consciousness. Once you get into the courage level it's much harder for them to affect you. And once you get to love, joy, compassion, and gratitude their intentions bounce off you like you're shielded.

Becoming a conscious being of the light is the best defense against the conscious beings of the dark.

[Mato Kinze]

You know, when I read your post I wanted to jump in with my 2 cents, but then I read Erin's posts and that was pretty much what I was going to say anyway - in different words, but basically same concept - so the only thing I want to do is support what she said.

Yes, you can send him help, love, aid and energy - but if he's not receptive or doesn't know or understand what to do with it, it will not have a lasting impact.

Yes, there are Dark forces in this world and the Spirit World that prey on us when we are unwitting. Some are human, some are not. Being Aware and seeking the aid and protection of your Spirit Guides and Allies is the best way to protect yourself.

One word of caution, though: Unfortunately, this works both ways. If your friend is bringing this malaise on himself, you should be very careful to protect yourself when around him as his negative energy can bring you down just as your love and support can raise him up.

Peace,
Mato Kinze

[172]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Yes you can send angels to help your friend. However it is ideal if they ask themselves. I know that angels can't/don't interfere unless they are asked for help.

One of the best ways to protect yourself from conscious negative entities is to simply raise your level of consciousness. Once you get into the courage level it's much harder for them to affect you. And once you get to love, joy, compassion, and gratitude their intentions bounce off you like you're shielded.

Becoming a conscious being of the light is the best defense against the conscious beings of the dark.

Thanks Erin. So he is going to need to have his own personal spiritual quest. Currently, I know he's not spending much time on that.

I will have to do more reading here because I'm not familiar at all with beings of darkness and inhuman beings.

[172]

Originally Posted by Mato Kinze

You know, when I read your post I wanted to jump in with my 2 cents, but then I read Erin's posts and that was pretty much what I was going to say anyway - in different words, but basically same concept - so the only thing I want to do is support what she said.

Yes, you can send him help, love, aid and energy - but if he's not receptive or doesn't know or understand what to do with it, it will not have a lasting impact.

Yes, there are Dark forces in this world and the Spirit World that prey on us when we are unwitting. Some are human, some are not. Being Aware and seeking the aid and protection of your Spirit Guides and Allies is the best way to protect yourself.

One word of caution, though: Unfortunately, this works both ways. If your friend is bringing this malaise on himself, you should be very careful to protect yourself when around him as his negative energy can bring you down just as your love and support can raise him up.

Peace,
Mato Kinze

Thank so much. I'm new to the entire concept of forces that aren't human. Can you recommend something I can read to become acquainted with this or is it better to simply stay at a high vibrational rate and ignore them?

[Jamie]

I'm going to add my first impressions and perceptions on this; though am v sure it's been covered.

That is, that this chap is too focussed on helping others, out there, so his attention and energy is too much invested in other people, so, that he's out of balance; and consequently, suseptable to pernicious influence.

One line of action to consider for him, stop focusing his energy on helping other people, if he's feeling weak, and vulnerable, he should perhaps divert his attention and energy to his own direct welfare.

Jamie.

[Mato Kinze]

Originally Posted by 172

Thank so much. I'm new to the entire concept of forces that aren't human. Can you recommend something I can read to become acquainted with this or is it better to simply stay at a high vibrational rate and ignore them?

Well, you could try to keep your vibration high all the time. That's a good goal regardless of whatever else you do, but, unless I'm mistaken, you're still human and as humans we will always be susceptible to "downers" from time to time.

I actually stumbled into my relationship with my guides and Benefactor and have had the benefit of a Teacher to help me refine and hone those skills I came on by myself. I'm not a teacher, so I don't want to try to tell you how you should go about connecting to your Guides and Allies. I can tell you how I do it and what I do to stave off negative entities, but to be honest, I'm not always successful either.

I'm not trying to plug mediums or psychics (sorry Erin) but a true Medium could get you started on the right path. Also, there are a lot of established traditions that will guide you in connecting to Spirit. Buddhism, Taoism, most Native American paths (well...ANY indiginous path actually), even Christianity has room for it in its acceptance of Angels and Saints and their intercession.

In the end, they all acheive the same thing, so it's just a question of choosing your favorite flavor.

[Lifeismagical]

Hello All,

I will attempt to answer this persons questions. I think everyone has done a great job of their theories fact or fiction. We are all human with different strengths and weaknesses. The fact of the matter is that many of us were born into equality. However, we are not all equal in the sense that we all have different mechanisms that is imprinted in our DNA.

Although, we all experience this thing called emotion. Not all of us are meant to swallow a negative emotion. If you do swallow it you have to learn how to get rid of it be excercising and dieting well. Alcohol, poor diet and drugs on the long run weaken our what we call our outer shell which can extend up to 27 feet but typically only about 10 ft (Aura).

If you are a positive person and you are always around negative people once you have aged and your metabolism has weakened. This will have chronic effects on your persona and aura. In life you have to learn how to take calculated risks while believing deep down in your heart that you are making the right decisions.

Normally, if you do not have a spiritual background you are a non believer of a force we call God or the Universe contingent upon what religion you belong to. Prayer is very important aliong with visualization of the things you want. Our thoughts is another one that will darken an moment if it is irrational or if you just are thinking negative. Meditation, excercise, diet, and daily prayer will help if you have not practiced these things in life chances are your Mind, Body and Spirit connection are lost.

In addition, some of us do not take in negative feedback to well so this fight or flight syndrome will reflect on your image. We want everything to be perfect and harmonious but the fact is that there are not enough of us that think in that manner to live in a world of perfection.

Additionally, there is something we call Polarity basically direct opposites for example night and day, black and white, negative versus positive, south pole versus north pole etc.....If you are in a bad relationship you are fighting against yourself and feeding the other person mor of your energy. Some people live off of energy especially those who are negatively inclined.

You see my friend the world would exist if we were all negative or all positive to exist amongst ourselves we need to have this Polarity. Humans are extremely diverse and complex we have gifts that some of us comprehend (The Successful) and others simply do not learn until they have been taught (unsuccessful).

That being said you have to arm yourself with knowledge for your Mind, Excercise for your Body and Righteousness for your Soul. Are you a therapist, I do not think so because if you were you would have been taught secrets and or methodologies to healing and staying healthy when dealing with negativity. Most therapists arm themselves with different approaches to warding off negativity.

Fact of the matter is when you feel something is wrong and your heart is telling you something that is your inner voice and or your angels helping you decipher what should be your next moves. If you need protection look for it, consult a spirtual advisor or a psychologist go pray at Church.

Additionally, some multivitamins, like fish oil can help you with the depression, consult a nutritionist and ask him or her what is wrong with me. Furthermore, the Occult practices do exist they are low level demonic spirits that can try and harm you. Only if you believe in them, voodoo is real and can kill people in stages without them really knowing.


Here are some interesting sites that will help you on your quest.

Black Magic and Voodoo Witchcraft

Empathy The Shamanic, Healing and Mediumship Viewpoint Empaths and Empathy, Empathic Development

Vibrational Science Library


The 7 Sacred Stages of Transformation - a Spiritual Map to Power - by Ayal Hurst

Obtaining 'Positive Energy', Methods To Get Body And Mind On A Healthy Track - CBS News

Men's Optimal Daily Allowance

I hope this helps got to go to sleep if not my energy level will be crappy tomorrow. If anyone is interested in learning more simply drop me an email.



Homeopathic Consultant - Life is Magical.

[bluestar]

Sometimes when a soul is deeply changing spiritually, making transition to a kind of re-birth on another level of consciousness, there seems to be a gateway at the threshold of which are a lot of tough things. I do not know exactly why this is so, but I have experienced similar, though not precisely the same.
In many cultures, candidates for Initiation (That is, a new beginning in a different mode of consciousness) suffer trials and sometimes visions of terror, darkness, and fears. It seems that whatever the candidate does, they cannot win, and will be crushed. They believe they will be. Yet they are not, and emerge from the darkness renewed and strong. What is important is holding on to the spiritual, and heartfelt things one holds most dear while all these trials are happening. It's always darkest before the dawn.