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| emoto water crystals, dr emoto, water crystals, emoto's crystals, emoto water, water crytal photographs, emoto and fraud, emoto and the occult I dont know. Maybe water crystals can be effected and grow differently. Too bad this emoto guy didn't help make it more believable for me now that I look at that write up on him. |
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I don't think that the article you linked to is particulary well written, but the fact is that there is no third party repetition of his experiments. Even when you don't like Randy (who challenged Emoto, who denied), there are still a lot of other respected scientists out there who could oversight an experiment like this.
__________________ I am always open for feedback on my posts. If your feedback would go offtopic feel free to send me a Personal Message. My posts generally don't contain medical or legal advice, if you have a problem seek the opinion of an expert Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.” Bruce Sterling about the financial crisis. |
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Oh, you didn't read the other thread, huh. Emoto's experiment was replicated by Dean Radin in 2006 under double-blind conditions. Click here and you can read the actual paper itself, published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. |
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Even when the "The Journal of Science and Healing" considers itself peer-reviewed, the people who review there are probably also parapsychologists. In addition most scientists won't consider a Journal on Healing as scientific. Then Emoto is one of the authors of that journal article, so you can't really consider that article as independent from him. Dean Radin is also one of the people behind "What the Bleep do we know", which means that he probably isn't respected in the scientific community.
__________________ I am always open for feedback on my posts. If your feedback would go offtopic feel free to send me a Personal Message. My posts generally don't contain medical or legal advice, if you have a problem seek the opinion of an expert Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.” Bruce Sterling about the financial crisis. |
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| Are we disputing the reality of Emoto's findings, or the scientific opinion of them? If it is the latter, Brutha has a point.
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Thing is I tend to think our mind or vibe can effect things like water and it's frustrating to not find something blatantly clear about it. And I do appriciate your posts of info on this and thorough scrutiny. I'll check out the Dean Radin stuff soon. (Is he involved with the Noetic Sciences group?) |
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| I, as the OP, wanted this thread to cover the findings that it's possible thoughts can effect water's crystals. I like that idea that it's possible. It does seem that Emoto didn't do it right (and believes some far out stuff that makes it hard to see his work as valid, in my mind) but maybe Radin did the experiments better.
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Brutha's very bright. I know she can see the point. Quote:
"Even when the Journal of Nuclear Physics considers itself peer-reviewed, the people who review there are are probably also nuclear physicists." or a statement like: "Even when the Journal of Medical Science considers itself peer-reviewed, the people who review there are are probably also doctors." And you see the problem. The argument goes like this: "The paranormal is paranormal, therefore the paranormal is fake" Or: "Scientists who research the paranormal are unreliable because they research the paranormal". ... and you can see why the argument is just not satisfactory. |
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There is no reason not to set up the experiment and let a few sceptics check it out. Repetition of experiments by independent third party's is a key feature in science.
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Then the word "skeptic" (in the way I used it) refers to people who have certain beliefs like the word "Christian" also refers to certain beliefs a person holds. Someone who beliefs in Remote Healing certainly is no skeptic.
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This is really a cute little synchronicity, following our discussion. I just visited Dean Radin's blog, and his second latest post is boldly entitled: " Why I Am Not A Skeptic". Before you say, "Aha!" you may wish to read the article. Anyway Dean's blog is always quite an interesting place to visit (unfortunately he does not post frequently). |
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