Forceful Telepathy

[blueberry]

I've been sitting on this weird event that happened between me and my boyfriend for quite some time now because I don't know what to make of it and perhaps some of the members on this forum with their experience would.

The event in question happened on a dose of LSD and I'm hoping that fact will not provoke people to not take this event seriously. If it does, humor me please. The other party and I are both very experienced in the psychedelic mind state and with understanding the subjective quality it creates with experience. What happened between us however was something beyond a normal human experience and a normal psychedelic experience.

I've had telepathic experiences with this person before but it was usually subtle - reading each other's thoughts and shared experiences. At times we can be extremely connective and it has nothing to do with altered mind states via psychedelics.

The entire night in question we had been conversing and connecting, taking our interactive closeness further and further until it seemed to reach a breaking point where involuntarily - our mental connection was the center point of everything that was happening. It began to feel jarring and intense and right around this moment the most outrageous thing began happening. Looking into my partner's eyes, I would get flashes of seeing out of his eyes into my own and back and forth and back and forth.... etc.

I couldn't believe it. Could not believe it. It defied all logical explanation but it continued happening only for moments at a time but what I saw through both his eyes and my own was undeniable. I'm very familiar with my head and my mind in altered states to know that this was without a doubt, not a creation of my own mind. What else is that my partner also knew exactly what was going on and seemed to be instigating it with his own abilities. He verified this by confirming that he knew that he was doing something of this nature but was baffled by the fact because he had never done it before.

He became very fascinated by this ability while I remained in a somewhat state of shock. I knew what was happening between us but at the same time, I was concerned because it felt outside of my control. At this point internally, I decided that I didn't want to experience that connectivity any more as it was distressing me but the "connection" between us continued and seemed to be escalating out of control. He was definitely doing something to me, something he wasn't even entirely sure of what.

The psychic/mental sensation was further compounded by eye contact and at a certain point, it couldn't even be stopped. The feeling to me began to hurt and be very uncomfortable for me in a psychic way. It felt violating and overpowering. Not just that the experience was overpowering - but that I was being overpowered psychically. It felt very rough and violent. As if I was being broken down and into. I became very scared and felt that my individual consciousness was being attacked and was in jeopardy.

The danger I felt was that my own power and significance was being nullified by a greater force.

My partner was baffled by my reaction but it was clear that we were having two entirely different experiences. After the event he reported that by whatever means he was employing, he felt he had the ability to navigate my consciousness. He viewed it as an extreme curiosity that something of this nature is even possible while I felt victimized and overpowered through the whole ordeal. He wasn't intending to harm me in any way but the situation seemed to get out of control. Afterwards, I was alright since I managed to break the connection between us, but I felt very drained and weakened mentally.

As I said before, I expect a lot of readers to frown upon the fact that a psychedelic was involved but it is in my opinion that all a drug can do is empower and enable what already exists in one's own mind. I do not advocate the use of any mind altering substances what-so-ever. They can be extremely volatile in effects and not to mention.... are illegal! (For those who are curious, I have abstained from any kind of experimentation of this kind ever since.)

until I found this forum, my story and questions seemed to have no home. I'd appreciate hearing any body's thoughts on the matter - particularly if you've experienced or seen anything like this happen before (and not just on a psychedelic.) Thank you for reading.

[VoodooChile]

I had a similar experience on psilocybin mushrooms. My best friend and I walked down to the local gas station to get something to drink. When we were getting ready to walk back, all of the sudden I felt in control of both my body and his body. I felt as if half of me was navigating his consciousness, and the other half of me was navigating my consciousness. It only lasted a few minutes, but it was very strange.

-Brian

[andrew]

A lot of these occurrences happen on "drugs". It would be nice if we could induce these states on will, without aid of foreign substances. I don't want to have to take something to be able to have these experiences.

[Tigerlilly]

I think it's perfectly possible to get psychically connected to someone else even to an extreme degree if you focus on him or her. I believe if the other soul is allowing it you can even walk with this other soul and experience what it experiences for a longer time. I should stress that the soul's experience is the same, the individual expression in life might not necessarily be. When you bring up this tresspassing on another one's soul I feel one is walking a thin line, but I don't really believe another soul can influence you to any extent if you do not allow it in.

I even believe it's perfectly possible to be linked to and mutually influenced by another being on a psychic/spiritual level your whole life without you or the other person ever knowing of it or each other. The way I see it, in the closest possible manifestation of this, it's what twin souls are all about, not the romantic notion of it though, which I find puzzling, cause if someone were your twin in the flesh you'd never consider him your perfect someone either.

The big question to me is what do you do with this knowledge of connectedness?

[Tactiger9]

I have experianced something of this sort, But without mind-altering materia.
My girlfreind and I spent a incredible day with one another on the day of new years eve. We connected both physicly and mentaly and spiritualy. I felt as i knew everything about her for a moment. I felt as if she was me and i was her.

When we finaly departed from each other i still felt connected to her, 5 hours later i got a phonecall depicting the same thing. It was as if that we had never departed as i was still with her and she was with me.

The mind is incredibly powerfull. And i do think it is possibly to be one with another mind if that mind is willing without a doubt. It is like jumping through a door. Of course you will hit a wall if the door is not open.
And the aid of drugs may of opened that door. Drugs alter the mind in good and bad ways ie, Mental illness. But if somehow you were able to alter your own mind you would be able to do great things.

[Mato Kinze]

There are many substances that can increase our connection with Spirit by altering, and thus limiting, our normal perceptions and reactions.

What some modern people refer to as "hallucinogens" many Native Americans have used to "open the doorway", "part the veil", "enter the Nagual", whatever you want to call it, for centuries.

That being said, there is a distinct difference between a Spiritual Journey and a Trip.

I've had my share of both and the latter is a dim shadow of the former.

The use of chemicals distilled and engineered by humans for recreation is a dangerous and spiritless endeavor. The true Medicine received comes from the alliance of the Spirit inherent in the plants and the Spirit of the person ingesting them.

The difference between LSD and say, Mescalito, is not the chemicals themselves, but rather the INTENT with which they are created, changed, used and/or procured.

Some pusher in a basement lab cooking up Acid hardly has the same intent as a Holy Man lovingly gathering and preparing Peyote for his people. The Spirit present in the substance is radically different and will have radically different results.

In the same way, some city-bred white kid could come to the Res, walk around for a few hours, pick some Peyote buttons, chew on them and get just a bad a Trip as if it was the Black Dot Acid at Woodstock.

The intent of the "user" is just as big a part of the equation as the intent of the gatherer/preparer. You could go to your neighborhood dealer with the intent in the ingestion to be to have a "Spiritual Experience". Of course, at the same time, you could have the intent to win the Indy 500, but if you're in a Ford Taurus (even a SHO ), YOUR intent doesn't mean a damn thing. Ain't gonna happen.

At the same time, someone who uses sacred herbs without understanding or good intent is just as likely to have a problem as someone using Crack.

I do not judge those who use recreational drugs. I've done enough myself to see that as too hypocritical. But I do warn people who wish to experience truly Spiritual connections that Drugs are not the way to do so.

In the end, I believe you and your boyfriend had a hell of a Trip. That's it. If you truly want to have a connection that extends beyond your physicalness, seek out a respectable Holy Person and get some learning.

[blueberry]

Thank you for your reply, Mato Kinze. Your opinion helped me clarify my own. I've definitely had incredibly purifying religious/mystical/spiritual experiences while on psychedelics and I know the feeling of their genuineness very well. This trip that I posted about was just so... out there in intensity and experience that I didn't know what category to throw it into inside of my head. Other bad or strange trips were little like this. It was definitely a unique experience and I believe we were just interacting with each other on many different levels simultaneously while powerful feelings were influencing how we felt about what was happening between us.

Those genuine spiritual experiences are why I choose to do psychedelics in the first place. Sometimes I forget my overall intentions when it comes to ingesting sacred substances though and I have an out of control and undesirable experience as a result. My reasons for tripping and my expectations are just not aligned with myself and the result is deserved.

[SuperManny]

Psychedelics are a tool and can be used for good or bad. Many original religions use them for ceremony and religeous experiences. They aren't nearly as bad for you as prescription drugs.

Be careful doing these intensive type of experiments, and only do them with someone you trust implicitly. Sounds like this person was getting kind of a high from the power he had over you, and that could be extremely dangerous. Some people don't have a healthy respect for borders.

If you do this experiment again, keep your power close to you and your intent focused. If he can keep going after you want him to stop; it's not because he's more powerful, it's only because he's more focused. Psychedelics can help you initiate these type of experiences, but they can also be a detriment to your focus.

[Liara Covert]

I know a cultural anthropologist who researched the influence of drugs on trances used in voodoo rituals. Possession trances occur usually during rituals such as services or a vodoun dance in honor of the spirit. When spirits appear to tranced people, they may bring warnings or explanations for the causes of illnesses or misfortune. I've also read about how some witch doctors who had ingested drugs to induce trance states were assumed dead after the ritual, mistakenly or purposely buried alive, only to be unearthed so they could later tell the tale.