The Warrior Method 30 Days of Extremeness

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Scumbag

The main thing is ingraining healthy habits that can help serve me for a lifetime. This is an extreme program so I have to set the goals high. If I fail it's feedback. I don't get discouraged by a few minor set backs.

Still going strong. We'll give a detailed report later...

What you are doing already has some positive influence on some members... Iff is thinking of embarking a quest also... and I am certain that the seeds that you have planted here will be germinating in many minds...

Therefore... whatever it is that you are doing here is not restricted to you... but your actions are in fact generating a better world for all...

May that thought sustain and inspire you...

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[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Shamou

You did not know that when a bodybuilder ceases or reduces his training his muscles will atrophy...???

So you agree that exercise, or lack of exercise is an obvious, major, known factor that affects muscle growth, and so, muscular weight gain. Another obvious, major, known factor is the type of exercise (for instance marathon runners - aerobic, and sprinters - anaerobic). Nutrition, lack of nutrition, and type of nutrition are other obvious, major, known factors. A third major, obvious, known factor is hormone profile, which is also affected by diet and exercise.


So, in light of the following requirement.

Originally Posted by Brutha

The person you makes a claim has the burdon of proof.
Here what it could have been like:
Shamou: Nobody can get this kind of results.

And in reference to the following claim you made,

Originally Posted by Shamou

Superb program... except for the 10lbs of muscle in 30 days... if you do that in 30 days, I'll give you a brand new Ferrari... color of your choice... even on steroids it could not be done...

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Do you know of any experiments that have tested all combinations and types of exercise and nutrition, that then prove that 10 lbs of muscular weight gain, even with the use of steroids is impossible? If not, it is merely a baseless opinion. Unless of course, it is based on your own extensive experiences, ditto in training others.

[Volunteer]

whether you are right or not, it would seem that with as many other goals that Scumbag has on his plate for this month that he will have a difficult time accomplishing the one's that would require the most intense focus, hard work, proper nutrition and ample recovery time

this could be a great thread. very motivational.....but, it is very aggravating to have to wade through the weeds when someone has a point to prove. either scumbag accomplishes his goal or he doesn't. whether his goal is theorectically possible should be argued in an environment where people actually care

[patrick24601]

Scumbag,

I just managed to catch this thread. I am very impressed by such a large set of goals for 30 days. I know I could not do it, but I want to see you succeed.

One of the subtle things that somebody pointed out early is your moniker/nickname. Scumbag. As soon as I heard that it sounds depressing. You need something that better personifies the type of person you are and the person you want to be. Awhile back I decided that I wanted to be known as "Action Man". That is because I am a person that believes getting up and making small improvements in all of my goals every hour of every day of every week is important. I am not a fan of sitting around in life.

Good luck and report the progress. I am 100% sure you will have learned or accomplished something at the end of the 30 days. And I am pushing you that way.

ActionMan
StopDoingNothing!

P.S. For those of you that are getting ready to comment on it: Yes. I know. My nickname here is NOT actionman. I am still in process of getting all of my nicks updated at the forums I participate in.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Volunteer

whether you are right or not, it would seem that with as many other goals that Scumbag has on his plate for this month that he will have a difficult time accomplishing the one's that would require the most intense focus, hard work, proper nutrition and ample recovery time

this could be a great thread. very motivational.....but, it is very aggravating to have to wade through the weeds when someone has a point to prove. either scumbag accomplishes his goal or he doesn't. whether his goal is theorectically possible should be argued in an environment where people actually care

I could not agree with you more...

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[Scumbag]

check out the Tim Ferriss blog. This guy has gaind an incredible amount of muscle in 4 weeks. I believe I am going to check out that program because it is the Colorado Experiment that he implemented.

sold my old 17 inch heavy laptop and bought a smaller more portable and lightweight laptop.

[Uplift]

Go hard scumbag, way to go! Gather momentum, keep focused on your goal, keep the ball rolling, seek and you will find! Its all good, all learning.

[Believer]

The hardest part would be the sleeping part for me; being productive on so little sleep. I usually get 8 hours per night as I heard that was the healthy number (two R.E.M sleep cycles) so I would like to know how that part is going for you; I might try it myself.

[Scumbag]

Starting the Colorado experiment next week. Massive protein ingestion. Haven't been able to update as frequently due to having problems with my wi-fi network.

-reading 4 Hour Work Week.

I"m going to outsource The Warrior Method to a virtual assistant in India.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Scumbag

I"m going to outsource The Warrior Method to a virtual assistant in India.

What do you mean by that...???

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[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Shamou

"The ultimate purpose of your 30 program is to brand indelibly on you soul the type of a person that you are... so that it will stay with you for the rest of your life...

That you are the type of person who can go to hell and back but will never quit no matter what... that a commitment made to yourself will never be broken... no excuse... no amount of pain or fear will deter you... you are a modern day ninja... you live by the code of honor that says... "do or die..." nothing else is acceptable..."

Where did you take this from shamou? This is such a great piece of advice.

I did try something like this warrior method but ended up failing (couldnt keep myself sleeping only few hours per night, ended up breaking) but i think that if i had something like this in mind all the time i would have gone further.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Where did you take this from shamou? This is such a great piece of advice.

That is in essence the manifesto that I wrote for myself when preparing to pass my black belt in Karate...

As far as I was concerned... it was a milestone in my life... I was not simply getting a belt... I was building a persona... this is who and what I was going to be for the rest of my life...

That preparation was culminated by a night of vigil like the Medieval Knights used to do... (see here)

Obviously my night of vigil was modified to adapt to my core beliefs... but, once it was done... I was ready to face the ordeal that my Sensei had in store for me the next day in order to be awarded that belt... and what followed came naturally... I had been marked and changed in a deep and powerful way and would remain that way to this day...

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[Brien]

Scumbag, if you have committed to this Warrior's Month then go for it with every fiber. If you do this there is no way to fail. Your experience will be invaluable and your story an inspiration.

Why don't you keep a blog?

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by Brien

Scumbag, if you have committed to this Warrior's Month then go for it with every fiber. If you do this there is no way to fail. Your experience will be invaluable and your story an inspiration.

Why don't you keep a blog?

Because a thread is soooo much easier... and he gets an instantaneous audience with instantaneous feedback, he does not have to wait to build traffic for 4 months...

[Megan]

Quote by Sam988, Yesterday 10:04 PM

I did try something like this warrior method but ended up failing (couldnt keep myself sleeping only few hours per night, ended up breaking) but i think that if i had something like this in mind all the time i would have gone further.

This whole program imposes massive physical and mental stress on the body/mind, and the stress of abruptly cutting sleep hours radically is probably one of the greatest stresses, both mentally and physically.

That's why I suggested that, given that sleep deprivation (and stress in general) increases cortisol, and cortisol mitigates against muscle formation and towards fat accumulation, that two of the goals seemed to be incompatible in such a short period of time.

The advice has been for good diet, but not for good sleep, which I don't understand.

Sam988, I would suggest you didn't "break," but rather, your body stepped in and saved you from yourself in much the manner our bodies do when we impose "famines" on them to lose weight, or when we try to hold our breath too long.

Certain survival mechanisms just kick in under certain conditions, and we should be thankful our bodies have those protocols in place to override our misplaced, heroic ideas of what we should look like and be.

That is an important thing to learn from all this, I think. In fact, I think that may be the most important thing to learn from it.

Evolution: it's a beautiful thing.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Megan

This whole program imposes massive physical and mental stress on the body/mind, and the stress of abruptly cutting sleep hours radically is probably one of the greatest stresses, both mentally and physically.

That's why I suggested that, given that sleep deprivation increases cortisol, and cortisol mitigates against muscle formation and towards fat accumulation, that two of the goals seemed to be incompatible in such a short period of time.

The advice has been for good diet, but not for good sleep, which I don't understand.

Sam988, I would suggest you didn't "break," but rather, your body stepped in and saved you from yourself in much the manner our bodies do when we impose "famines" on them to lose weight, or when we try to hold our breath too long.

Certain survival mechanisms just kick in under certain conditions, and we should be thankful our bodies have those protocols in place to override our misplaced, heroic ideas of what we should look like and be.

That is an important thing to learn from all this, I think. In fact, I think that may be the most important thing to learn from it.

Evolution: it's a beautiful thing.

So's being able to wake up in the morning, no obesity, no blood pressure, no diabetes, no heart murmers, no terror of injury or weakness, no bad back, no memory loss and brain fade, and think, 'wow the surf's pumping, I'm on it!' Even sleep becomes a nightmare for physical wrecks. And sex... I've been a personal trainer for years and see first hand the effects of 'evolution'. I'd rather be misplaced and heroic, its awesome fun.

You are right, you do need to understand how the body works, and cortisol production is one element to learn about.

[Megan]

So, teach me how the body works, and tell me why sleep is less important than diet. And tell me why so many body-building sites stress adequate sleep, and why they're wrong.

Bodybuilding.com - Babyboomers - Bodybuilding For Babyboomers - Raising Testosterone Naturally!

Testosterone Nation - Hormonal Optimization Through Sleep

Unless we plan to reach goals by grit and, er, magic, maybe cooperating with physiology would be a good plan?

Tell me what I'm missing. Thanks.

And please tell me what's so heroic about shooting yourself in the foot?

Bodybuilding.com - Topic Of The Week - How Can One Prevent Overtraining?

Moderator, please excuse the somewhat long quote--I wanted these considerations to be in the record for safety reasons.
Brutha: While I understand your desire for safety, linking to outside sources serves the same purpose. In addition I don't like the tone of your post. We don't fight here, we try (even when some people don't always succeed) to focus on the content. "Prove me right" or "you are wrong" focuses on the persons who argue.

To be fair, the strict definition of Overtraining is pushing the body over long periods of time:

Bodybuilding.com - Kelly Baggett - How To Benefit From Planned Overtraining!

I'm NOT suggesting that our friend should Under Reach. In fact, by the above definition Over Reaching can be a good thing depending on how you use it.

I'm just suggesting that there is a sweet spot where Over Reaching works, and beyond which it is counterproductive.

So if lack of sleep takes us beyond that sweet spot, then it is Over-training in a general sense, if not the 'official' sense.

That said, if the sleep and work-out schedule is working for our friend, then more power to him.

I've got only admiration for heroes!

Brutha: Requoting entire articles without permission of the author violates the authors copyright.

[Amit_S]

What exactly is this "Warrior Method 30 Days of Extremeness" ?
Did you find a book or article based on this concept? Is it based on Steve's '30 Days to Succes' article?

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Megan

This whole program imposes massive physical and mental stress on the body/mind, and the stress of abruptly cutting sleep hours radically is probably one of the greatest stresses, both mentally and physically.

That's why I suggested that, given that sleep deprivation (and stress in general) increases cortisol, and cortisol mitigates against muscle formation and towards fat accumulation, that two of the goals seemed to be incompatible in such a short period of time.

The advice has been for good diet, but not for good sleep, which I don't understand.

Sam988, I would suggest you didn't "break," but rather, your body stepped in and saved you from yourself in much the manner our bodies do when we impose "famines" on them to lose weight, or when we try to hold our breath too long.

Certain survival mechanisms just kick in under certain conditions, and we should be thankful our bodies have those protocols in place to override our misplaced, heroic ideas of what we should look like and be.

That is an important thing to learn from all this, I think. In fact, I think that may be the most important thing to learn from it.

Evolution: it's a beautiful thing.

Oh no you misunderstood. When i said that "i did try something like this warrior method" i meant that i also tried to change radically overnight, but didnt say i had the same goals

I didnt plan on gaining muscles neither i planned on increasing my physical activity (i already run for like 15-20 minutes daily), but instead i just planned on changing other things like getting more knowledge by reading more, eating healthier, and stuff like that, along with sleeping only 5-6 hours per night for 15 days, which was the part where i didnt succeed at.

[Megan]

Sam998, my point was that rapidly and radically reducing sleep hours is, in itself, very stressful physiologically, and that our bodies only let us get away with just so much of that monkey-business. I had no idea what your actual program was.

Mother Nature knows best.

If anyone has a documented case of a bodybuilder adding pounds of muscle weight in a month while simultaneously cutting sleep hours by a half or a third of generally recommended sleep time, then perhaps that person's protocol would help our friend transcend our shared physiology that evolved over millennia.

Lacking that, I think we may not be doing him a favor by spurring him on with encouragement, while ignoring something as fundamental to health and bodybuilding as sleep.

[valerius]

Good luck, warrior.

Just a little advice about the point 4 of your schedule :

Bang a 10

Please, if you attract a woman in your bed who, after deeper investigations, would only deserve 9, or even 8, be a good boy, let your schedule aside for a while and BANG HER ANYWAY!!