How do you sparkle passion?

[albertlee25]

Originally Posted by Ilya

That is a language thing. Yes, we use different words. If someone hates jogging we would say that he's got "strong feelings".
I do not think that this difference in words correctly describes the difference (or lack of difference) of mental processes that go behind the scenes.

I think in Steve's terms it will be similar to lightworkers or darkworkers. You get the results but in two different ways.

You can reach the same level of emotional intensity either with love or with hate. There is a word for it if it is achieved by love, but no word comes to my mind straight away for the other situation. But high emotional intesity is there for us to use, whether we have a word for it or not. Why not use passion for convenience?

By the way. Love and hate are the pair of primary states. They are perceived as opposites with a broad spectrum of states between them. But these states have a peculiar property. If we push one to the extreme, it suddenly and quickly switches to it's opposite. This is a proverbial thin line between love and hate.

The words we used everyday will shape our life and emotion, because we have attached certain feelings to certain words. This is call anchor words, it can be changed, but take conscious effort.

Hee... so i can't help but to take words using my perceived meanings.

Cheers!

Albert Lee

[Ilya]

albertlee,

You are right. Playing with words and changing their meaning is an unfair way to argue. But since, our goal here is not to prove that we are right... let me explain a little bit more.

I just try to look beyond words, to see how words correspond with my inner feelings of the situation. That's how the most amazing discoveries can be made. By the way, this is one of the main reasons to learn foreign languages. Sometimes we see that the word meaning that we take for granted can be wider or have unexpected nuances. I do not know a good word for "negative passion", but in my experience such thing does exist and can be used as much as a "postive passion".

[Ilya]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I see that you are not a Tony Robbins aficionado... I suggest that you click on the "Anthony" hyperlink in my signature... and it might change your mind...

The video doesn't play for me at the moment. But if you hint that passion can be controlled, I agree with it. In my quote above I meant that for most of the people controlling passions is unusual. Like it is unusual to control pain or other physical feelings. It is a cultural phenomenon. In other cultures, it seems, average people have difficulty controlling visual images.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Ilya

I meant that for most of the people controlling passions is unusual.

You are so right when you say that... if you talk about controlling passion to some people... they will look at you as if you were not playing with a full deck...

But what these people do not realize is that if they cannot control their emotions... they are no better than robots... being controlled by outside influences...

There are over six thousand words in the English language describing emotions... however, if you ask people how many emotions that they experience on a regular basis... they cannot name more than five or six...

In the tape that I was talking about (click on the "Robbins" hyperlink in my signature to see it) Robbins' message is in great part the following...

"Emotions are the forces of life… when emotions come into play, the wiring of the brain changes in the way it functions… if we can get the right emotion… we can do anything…"

To a large extend... emotions are the primary motivational factor and the primary source of energy and drive... so, it is extremely important that we learn to master our emotions and get them to empower us in order to maximize our potential...

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[albertlee25]

Those who can controlled their emotions at will earned my utmost respect.

It is something not many people can do, even with conscious efforts, and in fact, many people are uncomfortable with the idea of controlling their emotions.


Albert Lee

[Ilya]

Yeah, as we saw earlier in this thread, passion by will is considered fake by some people.

But albertlee25, don't be intimidated. Start thinking about different times, when you experienced different emotions. Notice that when you think about it, you experience the emotional "echo" from these past events. You are invoking those emotions by will. At first they will be very faint, or maybe not. But with practice you'll be able to switch them on in no time. It is that simple, so your respect is the respect of the unknown, rather the respect of achievement.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by albertlee25

Those who can controlled their emotions at will earned my utmost respect.

It is something not many people can do, even with conscious efforts, and in fact,

You know that every emotion has a very specific "body posture" and "breathing pattern..." And, just like an actor, if you can assume these two patterns, in no time will you be feeling the corresponding emotion...

many people are uncomfortable with the idea of controlling their emotions.

Most of these feel that they should be "genuine" and react "naturally" to life's situation...

What they do not realize is that acting that way reduces you to a robotic state where you are being governed by outside influences... and cannot or will not master you state (of mind) or emotions...

The more evolve a person is... the more options are available in any situation... therefore, anyone who can only react to outside influences is not all that high on the evolution ladder...

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[albertlee25]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Yeah, as we saw earlier in this thread, passion by will is considered fake by some people.

But albertlee25, don't be intimidated. Start thinking about different times, when you experienced different emotions. Notice that when you think about it, you experience the emotional "echo" from these past events. You are invoking those emotions by will. At first they will be very faint, or maybe not. But with practice you'll be able to switch them on in no time. It is that simple, so your respect is the respect of the unknown, rather the respect of achievement.

Dear Ilya, don't worry, I am not intimidated at all, I just put myself in the shoes of the majority and speak. I respect people who can control their emotions because less than 1% of the population can do that well, not because I am unfamiliar with it.

In fact, although I am not a jedi master like Shamou who teaches it, I am quite good at its fundamental. Perhaps that's the reason why my friends always ask me why am I always so happy!

What you describe in emotional "echo", I would suggest you add in an anchor action, for example, every time you think of that wonderful feeling and you started feeling good, touch your ear, repeat for 5-6 times. Next time, you just need to touch your ear and that feeling will be back!

Originally Posted by Shamou

You know that every emotion has a very specific "body posture" and "breathing pattern..." And, just like an actor, if you can assume these two patterns, in no time will you be feeling the corresponding emotion...

And yes, Shamou, I know about body posture. You can change your body posture to change the mood, both are linked. And it works well for me for the past few years.

Originally Posted by Shamou

Most of these feel that they should be "genuine" and react "naturally" to life's situation...

What they do not realize is that acting that way reduces you to a robotic state where you are being governed by outside influences... and cannot or will not master you state (of mind) or emotions...

The more evolve a person is... the more options are available in any situation... therefore, anyone who can only react to outside influences is not all that high on the evolution ladder...

Shamou, by degrading those people who cannot master their emotions well as lower on evolution ladder makes me feels kind of sick in the stomach. I believed you do not have the intention to insult, but you might like to improve on this area so that you do not accidentally insult people without knowing.

What I believe in is, a person has his own free will to choose his emotions on everything. You do not make yourself like something you hate, if you hate it, hate it! Why change it unless it kills you?

If I watch a sad movie, I want to be sad and cry with the story, if I see something I don't like, I will not want it in my life, and if I see something funny, I will laugh out like nobody business. That is more human if you ask me.

If you hate jogging, why make yourself passionate about jogging?? There are always reason for doing something, and you always can find another 10 more things that gives you the same result. If you want to keep fit but hate jogging, why not go and swim? Or play a sport, etc? Don't you think this is more human than like a robot (sorry just quoting your terms) that you program for everything regardless of like or don't like??

We all have choices, don't you think so?


Albert Lee

[Ilya]

Originally Posted by albertlee25

What you describe in emotional "echo", I would suggest you add in an anchor action, for example, every time you think of that wonderful feeling and you started feeling good, touch your ear, repeat for 5-6 times. Next time, you just need to touch your ear and that feeling will be back!

Sorry, that I misinterpreted your post. Why do you say that you only aspire to control the emotions. You already know the main part - that it is possible to control the emotions
Thanks for your advice, but I'm past anchoring. I just do direct control these days. Same anchoring, but inside my mind.

[albertlee25]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Sorry, that I misinterpreted your post. Why do you say that you only aspire to control the emotions. You already know the main part - that it is possible to control the emotions
Thanks for your advice, but I'm past anchoring. I just do direct control these days. Same anchoring, but inside my mind.

Wow Ilya, you are the best. I still need physical anchoring, but I will improve everyday until I can control at will! Cheers!

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by albertlee25

Shamou, by degrading those people who cannot master their emotions well as lower on evolution ladder makes me feels kind of sick in the stomach. I believed you do not have the intention to insult, but you might like to improve on this area so that you do not accidentally insult people without knowing.

Only the truth hurts… and only the truth can help people to change…

It is not my intension to hurt anyone needlessly… but, it is my intension to get at the truth…

Now, if anyone does not agree with what I say… and can prove me wrong… I will gladly change my mind… but, I have been teaching this stuff for decades… and I have yet to find one person who did not agree with what I just said here…

I will agree though that I may not be a prime candidate for the diplomatic corps…

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[albertlee25]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I will agree though that I may not be a prime candidate for the diplomatic corps…

Totally agreed! hahaa

[kaushal1]

I have passion for learning English language completely. I wish to achieve complete mastery over it. My passion starts when i don't know the english of any passion.

[nicsan]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Sorry, that I misinterpreted your post. Why do you say that you only aspire to control the emotions. You already know the main part - that it is possible to control the emotions
Thanks for your advice, but I'm past anchoring. I just do direct control these days. Same anchoring, but inside my mind.

Originally Posted by albertlee25

Wow Ilya, you are the best. I still need physical anchoring, but I will improve everyday until I can control at will! Cheers!

Hi everyone,

I am new here....what an interesting discussion to join in!

From personal experiences,......my view is 'controlling' emotions can be achieved by allowing the emotions to express itself. See it as a choice to whether identify with the emotion as 'you' or to let it go, choose another emotion you desire...So Tony Robbins is right - find the right emotion for yourself. But perhaps we don't need to 'control' with that much 'effort'.

I like what Ilya says, the control is inside the mind! With your mind, you can see emotions as merely choices, and you can choose. That's ultimate anchoring! Anchoring to me is the 'process of learning to see choices and to actively choose...' With practice, physical anchoring naturally evolves into an 'observant, discriminate' mind

When i wish to find 'passion' in whatever current work that I am doing (sometimes we go through 'transition' period of doing whatever work we can find...before ultimately do what we were 'born' to do in this lifetime!) - i choose the best emotions that aligns what I am currently doing with what I ultimately is passionate about being. The 'being-ness' is my personal key. I can choose the 'being-ness of what I am passionate about within whatever current work I am doing. Eventually, the being-ness brings me the life and work that i love!


Perhaps, this 'being-ness' that one loves, is the 'passion' one can find in something that is not our ultimate 'activity'.

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“The fourth spiritual law of success is the Law of Least Effort. This law is based on the fact that nature’s intelligence functions with effortless ease and abandoned carefreeness. This is the principle of least action, of no resistance…When we learn this lesson from nature, we easily fulfill our desires.” - Deepak Chopra


More inspirational spiritual quotes here....enjoy!

[Ilya]

Welcome to the board nicsan!

Interesting being-ness approach you describe. To this sounds like tao approach.
I'm not well educated in eastern spiritual practices, so I have to rely on western approach. But your post makes me thinking if your being-ness can result in a more powerful alignment with the task in question.

[kai9]

Originally Posted by Max Power

How do we become passionate about something that doesn't exist? Let's say I do not have money (lack) I want money (desire) How do I get money (realise you already have it) as all the gurus tell you, imagine you already have it and you will.

But I must focus and think and be positive and work hard towards my goal.

But you already (the gurus say this) have it, so why do any of that?

That is the lie (the secret) that all the gurus and followers want you to believe. If all the gurus tell us we must see it now and believe we have it now, then why must we focus and think and emote and find ways and try and struggle?

Why not say, I have it now and that's it.

So they can sell more systems of attainment.

If we are told (remember all self help gurus say this) that we must believe and imagine we already have our desire, then why do we need to do hardly anything? We don't, it's a lie, a con to sell DVDs and tapes, seminars and adwords. A lie to keep you coming back for more when your desires do not manifest.

So how do we become passionate about something to the point of attaining it? Realise that passion means desire, desire means lack, so to become passionate means you are constantly accepting you do not have it and never will.

Now you know why very passionate people are never guaranteed attainment

Max

i don't think passion means desire. passion is that fire in you when you are doing something which you really love doing. usually that's something which you are naturally good at doing. once you allow your desire, self-interest and necessity to fuel it, the passion dies and you will be tied down by needs rather than love (or passion) for the activity.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by kai9

i don't think passion means desire. passion is that fire in you when you are doing something which you really love doing.

Actually passion is best defined as: strong feeling or emotion...

Therefore, if you have strong feelings about something... you'll get involved in it more intensely and at a higher level...

You can practice a sport with passion... you can aspire to acquire wealth with passion... you can fight for a cause with passion... etc...

Passion is the catalyst that will turn the impossible into the possible... defeat into victory... and an ordinary person into an unstoppable and highly effective one...

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[Ralphiej]

Hey everyone

I'm new to the fourm but I had to reply to this one.

Passion is self ingnited and self sustaining. We all have interest in something. When I was younger I wanted to make it to the NBA. All I could think about was dribbling, passing, and shooting. Nobody had to remind me to think about or play. It was my passion

As I got older my passions changed and now I have a passion that is a purpose. The real question is what is your passion, your real passion.

What is that one thing that you think about and what to accomplish more than anything else?

What is the that one thing that would could spend the rest of your life doing for free is somehow the world went back to a bartering system and your didn't have to work for money?

We have passions but it is doubt and failure and other obstacles that douse the flame. As long as you learn to remove and deal with those things, passion will stay lit.

Talk to you guys soon.
www.potential2success.com
ralphs words

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Ralphiej

What is that one thing that you think about and what to accomplish more than anything else?

What is the that one thing that would could spend the rest of your life doing for free is somehow the world went back to a bartering system and your didn't have to work for money?

Hello and welcome aboard Ralphiej...

Very interesting post...

I was fortunate enough find what my true passion is... (I'm a motivation junkie) however, for those who are unable to pin point their true passion... (other than looking at TV and drinking beer) I would suggest the following approach...

The Universal Intelligence will always answer a direct and clear question... that is, if we believe that it will...

So, if we simply submit the question, "How can I best serve humanity and my fellow man and be inspired, impassioned and motivated in the process...???"

The answer will come... and most of the time we will be surprised how simple and evident it was... yet, we could not see it because it was too close to us...

BTW... I took the liberty of lifting the following quote from you blog (which is excellent) because I thing it is so appropriate in this forum...

"The most practical, beautiful, workable philosophy in the world won't work - if you won't" --Zig Ziglar

Have a nice and long stay with us Ralphiej...
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[albertlee25]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I was fortunate enough find what my true passion is... (I'm a motivation junkie) however, for those who are unable to pin point their true passion... (other than looking at TV and drinking beer) I would suggest the following approach...

hm.. I thought that's have been the discussion all these while, finding your true passion or creating one?

But nonetheless, what we have learned in this thread is, if we wanted to accomplish something great, passion is one of the must have element!


Albert Lee

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by albertlee25

...what we have learned in this thread is, if we wanted to accomplish something great, passion is one of the must have element!

I think that the following quote from Robbins ties in beautifully with what you have just said...

"If you want to play the game and win, you’ve got to play “full out.” You’ve got to be willing to feel stupid, and you’ve got to be willing to try things that might not work—and if they don’t work, be willing to change your approach.

Otherwise, how could you innovate, how could you grow, how could you discover who you really are?"


The top three elements to achieving great things are:

1. Passion...

2. Playing full out...

3. Having "absolute certainty" that you will achieve what it is that you set out to accomplish... which is the winner's edge...

Armed with that... success is almost guaranteed...
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