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06-27-2007, 01:50 PM
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  |  Jobs - I hate them
Yes that's right I don't enjoy working. Ideally I would like to never work for anyone ever again. Whoever started this task called "work" should be...well....tortured. Do I have a bad attitude, probably, but seriously there must be more to life than working. Yes people may look down at me for my bad attitude, but really is bad or just being realistic. I'm just trying to be honest about how I feel. I also feel that a lot of pressure in life evolves from work. I have been working for a bit over two months in my current job and I am already over it. I can't even really complain about my job, as I get a good wage, work with nice people, flexible and the work is challenging. Still I just find it laborious and am wishing I could stay at home. If I'm being honest I was like this in my previous job as well. Although it was better because I got home before 5pm and I had a day off once a fortnight and was a 10 minute drive from my home. It is worrying me a bit, because I'm already thinking I need to find a new career with less stress, less hours and not so cutthroat. Does anyone else feel this way? I know there are lot of people out there, that are struggling with jobs/life and probably don’t want to hear my complain about my not so bad job, but this site is about really finding out ways to reach an ultimate zen like state – which is what I want. |
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06-27-2007, 04:17 PM
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ellie, what do you want? if things were the way you wanted them to be, what does that look like? Chris614 The Philosophy of Change.com |
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06-27-2007, 04:22 PM
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You should read The 4-Hour Work Week by Tim Ferriss. It's all about how to set up automatic income streams so you can make money doing barely any work, and have plenty of time to do whatever it is you enjoy in life. While it only applies for certain people, and certain types of jobs, it sounds like you'd enjoy it. A lot of people hate their jobs, but are too afraid to try to change their situation. Don't feel like you need to follow the typical corporate career path because it's what people expect you to do, or because it's what most people choose to do. |
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06-27-2007, 05:16 PM
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"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" - Shakespeare You will be spending about half of you waking time at work... so, unless you get yourself to start liking your work... you will lead a rather sad life... Work is not always fun... that is why we get paid to do it... however, even if it not pleasant it can be challenging and rewarding... however that state of mind does not come naturally... we have to "work" on it... and for your own sake... I hope that you do it... The very best of luck to you... . |
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06-27-2007, 09:09 PM
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very soon. Insist on having what you want. Intend it. Attract it. Act like you already have it. Never give up. NEVER. | |
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06-28-2007, 02:37 AM
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"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma--which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary." --Steve Jobs about Death |
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06-28-2007, 03:25 AM
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 You get paid because it's *not* fun?! I hope you're not suggesting he force himself to like it. Granted, you shouldn't expect to thoroughly enjoy 100% of what you do, but you should shoot for as high a number as possible.You should never compromise your happiness for a paycheque. Doing so contributes to setting a precedent in your life for settling for less. We all harp about never compromising on values or ethics in the face of pressure, and I don't see a difference here either. | |
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06-28-2007, 03:57 AM
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If a person cannot be happy in his present job... changing it will not help... Now, I would never suggest that someone should settle for less than he or she could be... but, what I am saying is that circumstances are not the deciding factor in the way we feel... As Victor Frankl said, “We who lived in concentration camps can remember the men who walked through the huts comforting others, giving away their last piece of bread. They may have been few in number, but they offer sufficient proof that everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms -- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.” Need I say more...??? . | |
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06-28-2007, 05:07 AM
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The only reason that concentration camp fellow was forced to accept his situation was because a gun was pointed in his face among other things. I don't think Ellie has that same problem. Quote:
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06-28-2007, 05:44 AM
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dcaldwell… I am a firm believer that circumstances has little influence on how we feel… I have seen poor people who were happy… and I have seen rich people who were not… I have seen sick people who were serene and healthy people who were messes… If anyone depends on circumstances to regulate their level of happiness they will never be happy… Shakespeare said, “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." and I believe that he was right… Value and satisfaction can be found in whatever you do… it is for you to decide… Now, I did not create that concept… I learned it while taking Werner Erhard’s EST seminar… which was based on the Zen principles… I have adopted that concept and it has served me well… however, anyone is free to accept it or not… I can only describe what has worked for me… . |
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06-29-2007, 11:02 PM
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As I recently mentioned in another thread, I believe that reaching the pinnacle of self-actualization and fulfillment requires that we make a real connection between the person we are and the work we do. A helpful first step is identifying your passion -- what do you feel passionate about? Then, assess your skills, and try to find a job that will pay you to use your preferred skills to advance a cause you find personally fulfilling. A good example -- My sister is a Special Education Teacher, and she believes she is doing her life's work while she's performing her job. She does not love every aspect of her working life (no one does), but she loves her work in general because she's passionate about it and good at it. Passion is the key ingredient that so many people are missing with regard to their jobs. But I believe that for every person, there is a meaningful job waiting to be found. | |
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06-30-2007, 01:34 AM
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If we work only for money there is a strong likelihood that we will not be completely happy and therefore unfulfilled. The goal is to do what we love to do and if means working for ourselves or for someone else we will prove successful one way or another. If we have a passion for something we are already moving with purpose and looking for excellence rather than just plodding along being bored and waiting for the paycheck. It's not best course of action if it's going to last 40 years. Whatever that passion is you put yourself towards the top of that 'profession' because you are doing it out of love for what you do. If you find that happiness you will have surely struck that balance between income and fulfillment. For some it will be $15,000 a year for others it will be $15,000 a day. Money should be secondary. It will come to you if you aim to be the best at what you do. |
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06-30-2007, 02:17 AM
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Most people just react to life. They get mad when things don't go their way, they go into despair when the bills pile up, etc., but the reality is we get a choice - in every single situation and in every single moment we have a choice. So we can choose to attract the crap in our life that we don't want by simply letting our negative emotions overcome us when we react - or we can change the way we think, choose to focus on the positive and attract different results. | |
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06-30-2007, 02:20 AM
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Shamou, I agree that if in the right state of mind you can choose to be happy in almost all situations. That being said... If you don't want to be doing something and you know you'd rather be doing something else then why not do the thing that you think would make you happier? For instance, If you can be truly happy being wherever and doing whatever, then why aspire to anything? Why not just live in a shack and just hang out? I think in perspective you can be happy in any situation, but you also have to know when it's just silly to use that as an excuse to stay in a bad situation that is not serving you and your goals. |
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06-30-2007, 03:39 AM
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Van Gogh could not have been everything that he could have been painting walls... and Tony Robbins could not be all that he is driving a cab... That is the ultimate reason that we should strive to attain certain goals or obtain positions (jobs) because they will facilitate our self-growth... and not because it will make us happier... because the job itself will never make you happy... I have seen happy paupers and miserable millionaires... outside influences does not create inner happiness in the long run... mastering our mind does... Great post VacMan...  . | |
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07-01-2007, 01:31 PM
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I wrote an article a while back that addresses the issue you are going through right now Hate Your Job, feeling this way is just your stepping stone to a better job or maybe a change that leads to having no job or even a major life change. John |
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07-05-2007, 09:01 PM
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Authenticity and subordination, as Jean Baker Miller said, are totally incompatible. | |
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07-27-2007, 02:22 PM
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The only reason that someone would want to change, grow and improve is because they are dissatisfied, thus unhappy with their present situation (circumstances). Without dissatisfaction there would be no reason to change. So ellie your dissatisfaction with your present situation (circumstances) is natural and a necessary component in compelling you to change it. You are on the right track, you only need to find out what you want to do, the thing that will make you happy. "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" - Shakespeare Regarding the aforementioned quote, I wonder whether a slave would agree with Shakespeare, that his situation (circumstances) isn't bad, but that thinking makes it so. All the best ellie Steven. |
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07-28-2007, 06:44 PM
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I think that most of the people hate their jobs. There is so much to do in this world, and we are exposed to so much information, that it is difficult to find what you'd love to do straight away. Then there is learning the ropes. At first we can be really useless at what we do and feel miserable about it. And then there is the situation when you can not control your life. You have to be at the office, not because it helps you to do the most, but because some less productive person somewhere down the line is the bottleneck and whole team has to adjust to him. So to have a good job we need three main things. Do what we like to do Let ourselves learn and reach the level of proficiency that lets us to be in the zone and... Last, but not the least to be able to control our working environment so it contributes to our productivity, not vice versa. This last bit is the most tricky in the corporate environment. It is also the most damaging if not sorted out. However, it is achievable. What I know about Google and Microsoft and other successful employers, leads me to believe that they pay a lot of attention to this last bit and hire people who sorted out the bits one and two for themselves. Currently, I work at the office. Shame on me. But this office work allows me to have the best working environment ever. I have a quite, comfortable workplace, flexible schedule, little supervision. I have the time and the permission to pursue my personal projects. This is the best possible way for me to practice my management skills that I will need for my future business. In return I'm more then happy to help the company out with managing their projects. After all, manager's job is to be available in case something happens and to facilitate the life of the team. I like it. Before I had this job, I was working from home, doing the same thing. I was contacted by the recruiters, given the tour of the office and was enchanted by the working conditions. So it is a clear win-win. |
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07-30-2007, 06:16 PM
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I think you gotta figure out why you really hate your job. i loved my ex-job. the colleagues were nice, i performed well and my work was recognised. however, after working for 5 years, i still felt dissatisfied and resigned. then i went for a short course, rejoined the workforce and felt the same dissatisfaction. i just don't like working for people.. you waste your life away slaving for bosses who are in many cases of less admirable characters. on top of that, i hate the politics, hypocrisy and fakeness when people act only to protect their self-interests rather than the company/client's. i thought to myself - i can surely put my life into better use ! so i decided to leave the working world and start out on my own account. it's a transition for me, because i have literally spent my whole adult life till now as an employee. the most difficult part is making the switch in mindset, having enough guts to go on this journey, and being confident in the value i can contribute. it can be daunting at times. but then, if i had remained an employee, i would have spent similar nights turning in my bed feeling dissatisfied. so i might as well bear with the initial pangs of the birth of the freedom agent (as mark joyner calls it) and keep in view the rewards when i successfully make the great crossing. anyway, my point is that, if you ever want to make a decision as "drastic" as mine because you hate working, be clear about the why and be mentally prepared for the changes required in you. Last edited by kai9; 07-30-2007 at 07:44 PM. |
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08-04-2007, 04:56 PM
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Actually Ellie that's exactly how I felt when I walked out on my career in 2003I then set about trying to find ways in which I didn't have to work. I was pretty successful at "not working" too. The hardest part about it was letting go of my own judgements about a non-working life. I was socially conditioned pretty good so it took a huge emotional toll on me. I became severely depressed and dissatisfied with life in the beginning because my sense of self was tied up in work. If yours isn't then you're in for a much better ride. So after 4 years of this lifestyle I've made a great transformation. Now that I've rested and recovered emotionally and gotten rid of my social conditioning I've made a wonderful discovery. When you are no longer driven by the need to work you naturally start dreaming of doing things which are of far more benefit to the world at large. I'm not talking about world peace or environmental causes (although these may be your passion) I'm talking about your soul catching on fire and you start being the huge being that you are. Sitting on the beach all day will satisfy your soul for about a week or two. After that you start getting flooded with ideas for a better life and the plans to make them happen. Better than that you can't stop yourself from thinking about these amazing things that you feel passionate about and the creation process is set in motion. So if you hate working and if you have the means or opportunity to give up working for a while I recommend it. If your sense of self is not wrapped up in the security blanket of a job then this process will happen very quickly and painlessly for you. Then you can get on with doing what you naturally want to do, whatever that is. Last edited by healthymind; 08-04-2007 at 05:16 PM. |
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08-22-2007, 11:44 AM
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hmm thanks for all your feedback. What do I want? Good question. A 9-5 job without too much overtime. People that I get along with. A job where I can use my skills and use my mind. A bit technical. Somewhere close to home. A fulltime tenure, no contracts! A job where I help people and children. A government job. So I have come up with a soloution - lol! A librarian - lol! I had an epithany. I think I actually want to do this. I think the skills I have gained so far at uni would work really well with this and I only need to do another year of study. Now of course I can't expect to work with great people, but hey I might get close. I think I would be really good at this, and would be intrested in developing database applications further down the track. Or open up a bookstore/cafe with my aunt. We're looking into it. |
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08-22-2007, 02:24 PM
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Wow! That's great! All it took was some brainstorming! I read through this thread, and had been thinking about how I would reply. Since you have come up with some answers, I will simply congratulate you and encourage you to follow your heart and go with the choice that you feel most "in tune" with. Good luck! |
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08-22-2007, 04:53 PM
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Unfortunately everyone has to work. Whether its a job or a business. Its still consider work. For people who hate their jobs, why not look into other business ventures. There are so many out there that are legit. Once you see the light their is no stopping you. Stay positive and never give up. |
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08-18-2008, 11:17 AM
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What do I want? Good question. A 9-5 job without too much overtime. I now work no more than 5 hours a day, mainly three. People that I get along with. I feel at ease with the people I work with A job where I can use my skills and use my mind. A bit technical. Well I do a bit of both. I teach at uni on some days which is quite technical, the other days I work with children, where of course you have to use your mind. Somewhere close to home. Hmm I'm in between - one job is a 15 minute drive from home, the other two are half an hour away, and freelance work is at home. My goal is to work in a childcare place just down the road, so I can walk to it. I believe strongly that this will come to fruition. A full time tenure, no contracts! Hmmm not yet, but actually I am really liking the workload I have and the two different fields I am working in. So I am happy with how it is at the moment. A job where I help people and children. I teach adults twice a week and work with children the other two days  A government job. yyeah I guess all three are government So I have come up with a solution - lol! A librarian - lol! I had an epiphany. Wrong. I changed my mind about this, I really thought about it, but came to the realization that I would get really bored and I really do want to interact with children, which would not necessarily be the case in a library. I think working with children keeps you on your toes more. Also you have to be quite creative when working with children, which I am. Last edited by ellie; 08-18-2008 at 11:23 AM. | |
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08-18-2008, 12:53 PM
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That's great ellie. I remember that first post. That's great that you've advanced so much towards your goal. And it took you what... about a year? A year in the future seems like a lot. A year in the past is kind of ok, especially if you are moving in the right direction. Congratulations! |
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