Are you an Alpha male (female)…???

[Shamou]

Alphas are leaders… they can be born or made… are you one of them… and what is your views on these people…???

To understand a little more about alphas… here is the opening statement of the book: “Alpha Male Syndrome” by Kate Ludeman,Eddie Erlandson

Human history is the story of alphas, those indispensable powerhouse who take charge, conquer new worlds, and move heaven and earth to make things happen.

Whether heading a band of warrior, bringing a vital new product to market, guiding a team to glory, or steering a giant conglomerate, alphas are hardwired for achievement and eager to tackle challenges that others find intimidating.

Along the way they inspire awe and admiration – and sometimes fear and trembling. Wherever they are and whatever they do, they stand out from the crowd, usually leaving an indelible impression on those whose lives they touch.

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[Uplift]

Alpha males and females have absolutely no doubt that they are Alpha Males or females, despite anyone else's opinion. They can be anywhere. You really find out who is that type when real pressure to survive is on. When you can't pay someone else, or call on someone else to back you up. Awesome.
Mmmm...human history the story of Alphas? Was hitler an Alpha male? more like just a wheedling, sleezy, psychopath who was nothing on his own. Some people could sell snow to Eskimos. bill clinton held one of the most regarded positions on the planet, and under pressure proved to be nothing more than a wheedling, sleezy, liar, thinking nothing of throwing a mixed up woman to the frenzied masses. And look, he's still out there selling himself...proving that there's one born everyday. I guess it depends on your idea of the term Alpha.

[mattsonn]

'Alpha' is an arbitrarily set label, like the MBTI type.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by mattsonn

'Alpha' is an arbitrarily set label, like the MBTI type.

It may be a set label... but it is far from being arbitrary... there are definite characteristics that will determine if one is an alpha or not...

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Uplift
I guess it depends on your idea of the term Alpha.

By any definition… alphas are leaders… whether it be in the animal kingdom or the human world… some alphas are good and some are bad… however, since this is a forum on personal development… I would hope that we could focus on the positive aspect of the subject…

It is my guess that it would be extremely difficult to be a success in the largest sense of the word without being an alpha… thus the motive behind exposing and debating the concept of alphaism…

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[A.K.Light]

I like speaking in terms of individuals. As you said, some alphas are good and some are bad. They do their thing, that's for sure. And it keeps the world moving. Sometimes they drop jaws and inspire awe and sometimes they cause people to sneer in resentment. We can't judge alpahs as a group. I'm stating the obvious, but I wanted to say it anyway. LOL

I think if you are one, you need to be one. If you're not, that's okay. People make their contributions in all different kinds of ways - and we can never say that one way is better than the other. Whatever you are, just be it all the way.

Personally, I like them. They fill the air with respect and confidence. They are clear about who they are and what they are doing. And that's good because I hate being soft and I hate beating around the bush.

[Shamou]

Here is a test that you can take to see if you are an alpha or not... it is free and you will not be spamed afterward... and the best thing of all is that they will give you a complete report on your status with all the explanation necessary to understand what your status means...

I will also like to add that I did buy the book: "Alpha Male Syndrome" and I found it to be just a rehashing of what was said in the report that they send you...and not much else...

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[A.K.Light]

Hey, that was a pretty cool test. Thanks. I haven't read it all yet, but the results don't surprise me.

Me and the other alphas think, see the world, and deal with people in much of the same ways, but I'm a bit differnet. I'm way more of a visionary and strategist than a commander or executer.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by A.K.Light

Hey, that was a pretty cool test. Thanks. I haven't read it all yet, but the results don't surprise me.

Me and the other alphas think, see the world, and deal with people in much of the same ways, but I'm a bit differnet. I'm way more of a visionary and strategist than a commander or executer.

Good for you...

Now, if you read that report carefully... you'll discover even more about yourself... and find out what your strong points are and what you have to work on...

You are on your way... and the sky is the limit...

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[aabukar]

Thanks alot that is a very nice post and thanks alot for the link i was about to ask if there is some test we can take to know if we are alpha's or not .... and then voiala it was over there

I will tell my results when i take it but may i ask if the test is applicable for both females and males ?

[Uplift]

Shamou, this was your question. 'Alphas are leaders… they can be born or made… are you one of them… and what is your views on these people…???' I gave you my views. Feel free to discuss, comment, or dismiss them, but honestly, you don't have to try to control or direct them. Trust me, you will be exhausted long before a genuine 'scientifically, alphatronically, Type A/B, field tested, thetarised alpha'. Sorry couldn't resist!
You also quote 'Human history is the story of alphas.' That's your opinion, and the viewpoint of one book that you read. I agree with one thing though... the story bit. Human history depends on who's telling the story, for instance, American Indians have one view point, western Americans another, Tibetans have one view point, Chinese another. Likewise, the concept of success has many viewpoints, Indigenous Australians view success and successful people in a totally opposite way to colonial Australians. So, are the people embellished by human history alphas? Depends on who's telling the story, and your viewpoint.

[Jay Bee]

I knew I was definititely NOT an Alpha female, but the test was very interesting nonetheless and just confirmed what I already knew

Barb

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by aabukar

may i ask if the test is applicable for both females and males ?

The test is applicable to both male and female... and so are much of the characteristics... the difference being that women tend to be a bit more conciliatory and a bit less abrasive then their male counterparts... as we say in French "Vive la femme" (loose translation... let's ear it for the ladies...)

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Jay Bee

I knew I was definititely NOT an Alpha female, but the test was very interesting nonetheless and just confirmed what I already knew

Barb

That's good Barb... 'cause too many chiefs and not enough Indians can lead to strange situations... (No disrespect intended to native Americans here... )

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[mattsonn]

The first 21 questions:

1) No matter what, I don’t give up until I reach my end goal.
2) I always say exactly what I think.
3) Competition brings out the best in people.
4) When I play a game, I like to keep score.
5) I have no problem challenging people.
6) I set extraordinarily high standards for the people I supervise.
7) When put in new group situations, I almost always wind up in the leadership role.
8) I make decisions quickly.
9) Many of my work relationships have a competitive undertone.
10) I have strong opinions on virtually all topics.
11) If I have any doubts about my ability to deliver, I don’t show it.
12) When leading others, I tend to set extremely high performance expectations.
13) I can be highly argumentative at times.
14) I sometimes rant and rave when I don't get my way.
15) I tend to make the decision I believe is correct, even when I know it will make other people uncomfortable.
16) My opinions and ideas are usually the best ones.
17) I am willing to take actions that may hurt people’s feelings, if that’s what’s required to produce results.
18) When people disagree with me, I often treat it as a challenge.
19) I feel that my value is defined by the results I achieve.
20) If I have a good idea and I’m asked to hold off and listen to a bunch of inferior ideas, I can become visibly annoyed very quickly.
21) When others don’t see my point of view, I can lose my temper.

[mattsonn]

Based on these questions, I'm almost the opposite of an alpha male.

[aabukar]

I dont know what exactly the test means but i think that i am not an alpha
check my results
My overall Commander Visionary Strategist Executor

Type Strength 89.1 74.5 38.4 95.5 98.5

Type Risk 48.4 10.7 49.6 55 70.4

i always knew i am not a commander however i thought i am a visionary but it seems i am not

[Iksander]

Two sides to one coin. Individuality is the key defining attribute of an Alpha male; deliberate action that has a volition behind it rooted not in fear but in aspiration.

The other side should be obvious.

I suppose the term is relative to the dreams you dream, a gardener could be just as Alpha as the man leading a starship to the outer edges of the Galaxy; a bit like happiness I suppose.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by aabukar

I dont know what exactly the test means but i think that i am not an alpha

If you read your report it will all be explained to you...

Here are my results..



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[dastrovia]

I don't believe in the concept of alphas. We do not need bully leaders but instead group cohesiveness. If we could all get along better and not let the bullys get away with acting like king of the jungle all the time we would be much better off.

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Here is a test that you can take to see if you are an alpha or not... it is free and you will not be spamed afterward... and the best thing of all is that they will give you a complete report on your status with all the explanation necessary to understand what your status means...

I will also like to add that I did buy the book: "Alpha Male Syndrome" and I found it to be just a rehashing of what was said in the report that they send you...and not much else...

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That was an awesome test... very informative

Thanks for the link

Adrienne

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Adrienne

That was an awesome test... very informative

Thanks for the link

Adrienne

You are most welcome... glad you enjoyed it...

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by dastrovia

I don't believe in the concept of alphas. We do not need bully leaders but instead group cohesiveness. If we could all get along better and not let the bullys get away with acting like king of the jungle all the time we would be much better off.

Alphas are leaders and not necessarily bullies... and, no matter what you wish, think say or do... the world needs leaders... thus... alphas are here to stay...

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[Uplift]

Interesting thoughts Dastrovia. I can only speak for myself. As I look around, and honestly assess the present, overall, state of the world, I feel that we definitely need to seriously think about what we are doing, and thinking...where we are heading. What we need as a whole, to thrive and be happy. What are we passing on to future generations?
I don't like to dwell on negatives, but see the value in honestly assessing things, so that I can keep moving in the right direction. I agree with you. I wonder about, and question our western values and ideals, including concepts like Alpha, competition, progress and success, and our slant on them.
Despite selling and promoting itself as the ideal, and then brutally forcing itself and its goals upon the rest of the planet, the Western ideals don't do too well under close scrutiny, nor have they in the past. The colonialists sought out lands that bristled with abundance. Often this was the direct result of the totally contrasting ideals, goals and values of the Indigenous Peoples who lived there. For instance, Australian Aborigines have lived in Australia for at least 40,000 to 60,000 years, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest 100,000 years. Along comes the self appointed, self grandiosing, western 'Alpha' culture. They found clean air, trees, fresh water, an abundance of food and resources, and cultures that were happy, healthy, didn't need prisons, banks, loans, marketing, counsellors, drug rehab clinics... and so on, and so on. The pattern is repeated in many places, including USA. Now an honest look around reveals 'epidemics' of crime, poverty, drugs, obesity, pollution, depression...no more clean air, water, trees, abundance of resources, abundance of self worth and happiness.
What really shapes our thinking. Are our Darwinist, Christian moulded ideals, including Alpha, really all they are cracked up to be? Is it really going to matter how many properties or boats we own, or how many sales we made, or how our high our viewer ratings, or what our Alpha score is. How many priests, popes, nuns, sisters, bishops and religious leaders we appoint, if we keep heading in our present direction. Could it be worth our while to examine some of the different cultures and ideals that we blindly anhilated. Are we following a persistant western pattern of self destruction. What do we all want? For our kids? Not just a select few, but all of them.

[dastrovia]

Thanks Uplift

There are a plethora of examples of alphas that have led the masses to their graves or led their flock to send the masses to their grave.

Leadership is one thing. Alpha leadership is detrimental to the human race. Leave alpha ism to the animal kingdom.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by dastrovia

Thanks Uplift

There are a plethora of examples of alphas that have led the masses to their graves or led their flock to send the masses to their grave.

Leadership is one thing. Alpha leadership is detrimental to the human race. Leave alpha ism to the animal kingdom.

What is your definition of alphaism...???

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[A.K.Light]

This thread makes me want to quote Tony Montana. It might be worth a thought or two.

"What are you lookin' at? You're all a bunch of $**$ @@#&&. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your ***&** fingers, and say "that's the bad guy." So, what'll that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth... even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy. Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you."

I'm guessing this fellow was an alpha. An unhealthy one, maybe. Just a guess.

[Crowghost]

The only thing alpha about me is when I use the letter A

[Uplift]

I'm interested Shamou. And what if it isn't like yours? What if someone else has views and concepts shaped by a totally different way of thinking? In the past, and at present, the western way was, and is, to merely dismiss them as inferior, or primitive, or wrong. To decide that theirs was, and is, the best. The only way. And if necessary modify, or destroy any other way, usually, eventually, by brute force.
Western influenced children can easily, and do, get guns, alchohol and drugs, and have begun shooting each other, and themselves. One out of three American women is abused. Prisons are overflowing. But ratings are up! Sales are booming! Records are being broken! In my eyes, something is drastically out of balance. Something needs looking at. A different outlook or approach maybe.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Uplift

I'm interested Shamou. And what if it isn't like yours? What if someone else has views and concepts shaped by a totally different way of thinking? In the past, and at present, the western way was, and is, to merely dismiss them as inferior, or primitive, or wrong. To decide that theirs was, and is, the best. The only way. And if necessary modify, or destroy any other way, usually, eventually, by brute force.
Western influenced children can easily, and do, get guns, alchohol and drugs, and have begun shooting each other, and themselves. One out of three American women is abused. Prisons are overflowing. But ratings are up! Sales are booming! Records are being broken! In my eyes, something is drastically out of balance. Something needs looking at. A different outlook or approach maybe.

Sorry... I simply cannot see what this has to do with alphas...

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