Are you an Alpha male (female)…???

[ArthurHung]

In my opinion, alpha males manage themselves and stand their ground regarding their beliefs, values and opinions as opposed to having his girlfriend/ wife manage him and tell him what his beliefs, values and opinions should be. I think these are the most telling factors.

But they would also have to be far more confident than the average person, enjoy taking great risks intelligently when great rewards are present as well to qualify as an alpha male. In addition they can be a great leader when they want to be, are purpose driven and have a message to send to the public.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by dastrovia
So what you are saying is that most people are failures?

It all depend on your definition of failure… I cannot dance the ballet at all… yet… I don’t consider myself a failure…

Could you perhaps indicate some examples of those who fit your definition of an alpha?

Alpha… like any other human traits… can be seen in people with high profile and people who are relatively unknown… so, obviously if I give you a name… it would have to be the same of a personality… and people will be all over my butt accusing me of elitisms… been there… done that… once was enough… learned my lesson…

Selfish and domineering would be a couple traits.

Not necessarily… Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela certainly are alphas… yet far from being selfish and domineering…

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[dastrovia]

Originally Posted by Shamou

It all depend on your definition of failure… I cannot dance the ballet at all… yet… I don’t consider myself a failure…



Alpha… like any other human traits… can be seen in people with high profile and people who are relatively unknown… so, obviously if I give you a name… it would have to be the same of a personality… and people will be all over my butt accusing me of elitisms… been there… done that… once was enough… learned my lesson…



Not necessarily… Mahatma Gandhi and Nelson Mandela certainly are alphas… yet far from being selfish and domineering…

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I guess we are failing to communicate. You indicated if one wants to succeed they MUST become an alpha. So the opposite to me is that one is a failure if they do not become an alpha.

As to Gandi and Mandela do you really think they are alphas?? Hey I thought you were not going to name any.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by dastrovia
I guess we are failing to communicate.

We are mutually doing transderivational researches… that is… we are aware that we are hallucinating together (not sharing a common reality) while trying to communicate…

You indicated if one wants to succeed they MUST become an alpha.

Yup… I said that…

So the opposite to me is that one is a failure if they do not become an alpha.

Now… you’re the one saying that…

As to Gandhi and Mandela do you really think they are alphas?? Hey I thought you were not going to name any.

I don’t personally think that they are… but, in fact they are… so... I did not name anyone who I thought were alphas…

If you are not confused by now… don’t accuse me of not trying…

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[mattsonn]

Originally Posted by Shamou

A long, long time ago… I discovered that the only way that one can really grow and express him or herself is to become a leader or an alpha if you will… and, it was also evident to me that people who refuse to become leaders will not do it because of fear… fear of making and taking decisions...

People will go to any length to avoid making/taking decisions… decisions entail responsibilities… and making/taking decisions can hurt… And that is the main reason people are so fearful of taking action… but if you don’t take action… you don’t get anywhere…
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Is that all there is to to it? The 21 questions that I posted from the test seemed to emphasize something more. A domineering, headstrong quality.

[Uplift]

So does all of this mean that we are about to be blessed by hordes of beer swillin', tremblin' Americans sweeping down from the mountains, brandishing their alpha certificates and hollerin', 'Go get er!!!'...???
George Bush will get to bring out his, 'good ol' boys from Texas' speech, and has asked that his part be played by 'The Rock'. (Arnold is looking a bit flabby these days).

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by mattsonn

Is that all there is to to it? The 21 questions that I posted from the test seemed to emphasize something more. A domineering, headstrong quality.

Alphaism is a trait that some are born with... and that others may acquire.... but like any other traits... it may vary greatly in intensity...

If you read the biographies of the rich and powerful... you will find that they have one thing in common... they are all alphas, they must lead and win... some of them don't even care about the money... it's the game... proving yourself to be the very best...

Most alpha will see just about everyone else as a competitor... and everything as a zero-sum game... someone wins and someone loses...

The main problem with alphas is to get them to see the importance of cooperation... and how to get that cooperation... once that lesson is learned and applied... alphas are the cream of the earth...

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Uplift

So does all of this mean that we are about to be blessed by hordes of beer swillin', tremblin' Americans sweeping down from the mountains, brandishing their alpha certificates and hollerin', 'Go get er!!!'...???
George Bush will get to bring out his, 'good ol' boys from Texas' speech, and has asked that his part be played by 'The Rock'. (Arnold is looking a bit flabby these days).

Arnold is an excellent example of an Alpha...

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[Iksander]

"So does all of this mean that we are about to be blessed by hordes of beer swillin', tremblin' Americans."

Your comments do open up an interesting point of inquiry; disregarding the words you used in your post, there was an energy of frustration and anger directed specifically at this Archetype - that (to foreigners) America, American men and (to you) Texans seem to represent.

It is interesting though, in my own experience very few of my girlfriends ever liked admitting to the fact that I dominated the sexual and emotional aspects of the relationship. Not only were those relationships richer, the women seemed happier and more satisfied when I took active and purposeful action to ensure I was dominating the relationship.

Please take care to note that by domination, I simply mean directing, directing with a great deal of resolve. Nothing related to physical (or emotional) harm.

Who would hunt if all the Alpha Males sat around staring at their toes?

Asta La Vista Baby.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Iksander

"So does all of this mean that we are about to be blessed by hordes of beer swillin', tremblin' Americans."

Your comments do open up an interesting point of inquiry; disregarding the words you used in your post, there was an energy of frustration and anger directed specifically at this Archetype - that (to foreigners) America, American men and (to you) Texans seem to represent.

It is interesting though, in my own experience very few of my girlfriends ever liked admitting to the fact that I dominated the sexual and emotional aspects of the relationship. Not only were those relationships richer, the women seemed happier and more satisfied when I took active and purposeful action to ensure I was dominating the relationship.

Please take care to note that by domination, I simply mean directing, directing with a great deal of resolve. Nothing related to physical (or emotional) harm.

Who would hunt if all the Alpha Males sat around staring at their toes?

Asta La Vista Baby.

Does that mean that you're not into ballet dancing...??? Bet you'd look good in a tutu...

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[Iksander]

Lol, I think at age 20 my preference tends to be the Ballet dancers themselves...

[dastrovia]

Originally Posted by Shamou

If you read the biographies of the rich and powerful... you will find that they have one thing in common... they are all alphas, they must lead and win... some of them don't even care about the money... it's the game... proving yourself to be the very best....

It seems like that be a fairly generalized statement. It would depend upon how one became wealthy. There are examples of some very wealthy people who inherited the wealth that are definitely not alphas.

Would an alpha have to be financially wealthy or are there other means of enrichment which they can amass and use as an alpha.

[Uplift]

I'm going to have another stab at this, because it is important to me. It is really hard for a lot of people in western cultures to realise that some other cultures have entirely different ways of viewing themselves and the world. Some cultures thinking is not coloured by concepts of separation, individualism, domination, superiority or alpha, and they equate success differently.
It is interesting to me that western culture values experience and age, and yet is a baby compared to a lot of the cultures that they view as inferior or primative. For instance the continual Indigenous Australians Cultures are at least 40,000 years old, and plenty of evidence suggests quite likely 100,000 years old, compared to colonial Australian culture which is around 200 years old. Indigenous Australian culture also has a totally opposite world view and belief system. In only 200 years, colonial Australian culture has literally denuded the abundant environment fostered by Indigenous Australian thinking. The situation is not unique to Australia either. Western cultures have a graphic, bloody history of collapse and self destruction.
If we believe a lot of the views on this website, then we believe that we can create any world view and style of thinking that we like. Despite what a lot of westerners assume, our way of thinking isn't some God given natural law applicable to all, it is adopted and created. I just wonder if the alpha style has proven to be that successful, desirable, or beneficial for the whole, in the long run. Perhaps we could benefit by looking at some cultures that have a better track record. If we are all to get along... no not just get along... if we and our home, the earth that supports us are to flourish, and truly be happy, there might be value in combining the best of all the cultures, including western. So for me, whether or not the concept of alpha has value is questionable.

[mattsonn]

Uplift, I'm probably more of your type of person. I'm very cooperative and around others I naturally act very humble.

Well, I recommend TuckerMax.com. Shamou, prepare to be thrilled, Uplift, prepare to be horrified.

Even if I'm the opposite, I still have a ton of respect for that guy.

[Uplift]

Yeh well...I guess thats what I mean. Thats what one young guy in the US feels like he has to do to live.

[llong]

Originally Posted by Shamou

What would you use instead to describe the subject...???

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Depends on the person......courageous, motivated, assuring, competitive, egotistical, etc.

Depends.

[Iksander]

I am a world traveler and am aware of the diversity that exists. I am thankful for it because it allows me to define my Individuality.

Utopia (which is what you are suggesting) would be stagnant and boring.

I am a very hearty advocate of war and conflict - it allows growth and evolution to occur; BUT (before you flame me) I am also a very hearty advocate of happiness, peace, and fun in life (that is what we are here for!).

I also think any personal misfortune is self-created. Therefore anyone that has a crappy day is to blame themselves - not Europeans, or Americans, or technology. Blaming others just feels better because it brings you out of that despair (that you put yourself in!); it gives the person something to 'move towards'. Funny thing is, most people stop there and just keep blaming everyone else.

[Uplift]

Iksander, can't you imagine other ways for growth to occur, other than conflict and war? For example when two people truly fall in love and have children.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by llong

Depends on the person......courageous, motivated, assuring, competitive, egotistical, etc.

Depends.

Originally Posted by llong
I find the term "Alpha Male" excessively reductionist.

And it is your contention that, courageous, motivated, assuring, competitive, egotistical... would be less reductionist... interesting...

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by dastrovia
It seems like that be a fairly generalized statement. It would depend upon how one became wealthy. There are examples of some very wealthy people who inherited the wealth that are definitely not alphas.

You are obviously correct here… if someone should win the lottery and become wealthy… they would not necessarily be alphas… just lucky… in this… as in every other situation… there are exceptions…

Would an alpha have to be financially wealthy or are there other means of enrichment which they can amass and use as an alpha.

Being an alpha does not necessarily entail the quest for money… Dr Martin Luther King certainly was an alpha… yet he was not after money… Lance Armstrong is certainly an alpha… yet his prime motivation probably was not money… world class athletes are certainly alphas… however… money is probably not their prime motivation…

An alpha is an assertive person… not necessarily a money hound…

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Iksander

Lol, I think at age 20 my preference tends to be the Ballet dancers themselves...

They are cute and sexy... and, they have all that stamina...

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[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Iksander
I am a very hearty advocate of war and conflict - it allows growth and evolution to occur

Would you mind sleeping on that statement… and getting back to me in the morning…??? you might want to use an euphemism…

I also think any personal misfortune is self-created. Therefore anyone that has a crappy day is to blame themselves - not Europeans, or Americans, or technology. Blaming others just feels better because it brings you out of that despair (that you put yourself in!); it gives the person something to 'move towards'. Funny thing is, most people stop there and just keep blaming everyone else.

I agree with you here… when you are a victim… you get the satisfaction of saying that it was not your fault… but… that’s all you get…

However… when you take responsibility for what happens to you… you can do something about the situation…

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[Uplift]

Self created...so terrorism? Time to change your thinking patterns.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Uplift

Self created...so terrorism? Time to change your thinking patterns.

What do you suggest...???

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[ken nubo]

Eh, I find the term alpha male pretty retarded, because everytime I think of alpha male I think of a jerk macho cowboy XD

I prefer just to call it "guys with leadership tendency"

[Uplift]

Well Shamou, since you ask...(or perhaps bait the trap). Instead of blindly forcing our kids down the same path that the Mongols, Huns, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Britons etc took, to their, and the cultures they came in contact with demise, we could try encouraging and fostering childrens imaginations towards creating new, lasting ways of living. There are plenty of genious's around. Imagine if we had a totally different common goal, one where it isn't okay to force yourselves on others you consider inferior to solve things. One that values people differently. Earlier you stated that you dont equate Indigenous Peoples with the homeless. Where do you think they lived before they were brutally invaded and disposessed?
Look at what kids can do, if their imaginations are inspired. Even a simple skateboard becomes a source of wonder and miracles for them. I'm not saying it would be easy, or that I have the answer. But there will be other people out there that are perfect for and would love to create the solution, if they were given the inspiration and chance. Remember Bill Gates actually had to leave Harvard to take his part in linking the planet. It was beyond the institution or its teachers comprehension. Our kids need light at the end of the tunnel. Obviously something isn't working. Why champion and drum a style of thinking that has fostered and resulted in an endless succession of wars and death down their throats, and then bemoan the crime and shootings? Or wonder at Iksander's love of war and conflict?
I believe there was another shooting today.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by ken nubo

Eh, I find the term alpha male pretty retarded, because everytime I think of alpha male I think of a jerk macho cowboy XD

I prefer just to call it "guys with leadership tendency"

OK... let's write a book about, "Guys with leadership tendency." That should be a best seller... it's got a snapping ring to it...

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[Uplift]

Another suggestion. We could make new goals clear to polititions.

[llong]

Originally Posted by Shamou

And it is your contention that, courageous, motivated, assuring, competitive, egotistical... would be less reductionist... interesting...

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The problem is that there are leaders who aren't Alpha Males. There are Alpha males who aren't leaders. Etc.

I just find the term Alpha Male, while totally applicable for apes, insufficient to explain the complexities of modern man.

If we define Alpha Male as "those on top", well, that doesn't work for me because MLK, Bill Gates, Arnold, Bush, Hawking, Mozart, and Paris Hilton might all be considered Alpha Males, but they are highly different, not just in their respective area of focus, but also in how they achieved it.

As another poster mentioned, the term seems more to refer to frat boy braggadocio.

[Isis Kali]

Originally Posted by Uplift

I'm interested Shamou. And what if it isn't like yours? What if someone else has views and concepts shaped by a totally different way of thinking? In the past, and at present, the western way was, and is, to merely dismiss them as inferior, or primitive, or wrong. To decide that theirs was, and is, the best. The only way. And if necessary modify, or destroy any other way, usually, eventually, by brute force.
Western influenced children can easily, and do, get guns, alchohol and drugs, and have begun shooting each other, and themselves. One out of three American women is abused. Prisons are overflowing. But ratings are up! Sales are booming! Records are being broken! In my eyes, something is drastically out of balance. Something needs looking at. A different outlook or approach maybe.

I'll second Shamou. What does any of this have to do with the psychology of alpha people? There's the de-evolution of propriety, mores, and ethics...and there's alpha leadership. Very different.

Anyway, a true alpha wouldn't indulge in stupid shows of power for the simple reason that they're a waste of time and energy.

I'm very, very alpha. That test didn't tell me anything I didn't know, either, but I'm gonna post the results for my friends on my Myspace because they'll have a good laugh over seeing it in print! There's a reason they call me "the Queen"