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05-06-2007, 05:17 AM
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 |  Why would you want to be an Alpha…??? Alphas are leaders… they take charge… they create jobs… they lead the team to victory… they trail blaze… they are example of courage and dedication… they make things happen… If there were no alphas we would still be living in caves and hunting for survival… no great achievement ever was realized without someone taking charge and leading it to completion… It does take courage to be a leader or an alphas… if anything goes wrong… the alpha is the one who will be blamed… if the troops are lagging behind… he is the one who has to motivate and inspire… he is also the one who must defend and protect his followers… However the reward is great… when he finally lays down the gauntlet… the alpha will have the immense satisfaction of knowing that he did everything he could to contribute and make a difference in the world… and a success of his life… . |
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05-06-2007, 04:01 PM
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I have no idea where the correlation is between what you just said and Shamou's description. The fact that you are participating in these forums, and in this thread is a signifier that you yourself have an active Alpha complex. "What if someone else has views and concepts shaped by a totally different way of thinking?" Exactly what 'discussion' is for. Your statements regarding Western Civilization are ill-founded, and with respect to your chosen user name, a bit hypocritical.
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05-06-2007, 04:06 PM
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05-06-2007, 04:57 PM
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05-06-2007, 05:08 PM
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@dastrovia: There is a generalized assumption that any one involved in these forums is interested in 'Personal Development'. I also did not say it 'makes one an Alpha' it simply signifies the activity of an Alpha complex within the person (whether it is dominant or not depends on your involvement). Personal Development (among many other things) is concerned with deliberate personal achievement which can and only is driven by a complex that has 'drive'... Alpha, or the Animus. The Anima within a person is the feminine complex and the Animus is the masculine complex. Each person has different degrees of activity from these two complexes depending on their growth experiences and how willingly they engage with the Animus inside (or Alpha as we are using it in this thread). Both complexes exist within each human; men and women both have the Animus and Anima. Some men willfully engage their own masculinity without hesitation, this manifests as the 'Alpha Male' in a positive format or negative (depending on upbringing and developed beliefs). Women do this too, but I rarely see it dominating women, usually only acting with some form of determination and drive for specific goals.
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05-06-2007, 06:39 PM
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The way that I see it… the animus is the feminine side of man… so, how could the feminine side of man make him an alpha…??? . | |
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05-07-2007, 01:27 AM
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'the way I see it'. Shamou's words. Do you ever stop to think what has created and continues to affect and shape western thinking. Thinking that is assumed as superior, innovative, progressive and 'natural'. Shamou asked for someone else's definition of the alpha concept. So I was interested to see if he could accept it. As a whole, the western world assumes that its way of thinking is superior, right, and most successful. When other cultures experience it, and reject it, and continue to do so, brute force is employed to enforce it. Many other cultures have an entirely, totally different viewpoint. Many of the alphas championed by shamou are viewed as nothing more than unintelligent, and out of control and touch, with little or no understanding of successfully living and prospering. Not all cultures have, want or adopt the alpha concept. To assume that they do, or should, is narrowminded and arrogant. Shamou and others site that alphas are necessary for growth and advancement. If we were able to step away from the planet and look at the events that have unfolded, and are unfolding in recent world history, what would we see...supposing we could see through the smog, pollution, radar fields and missile defense systems. Do you think Indigenous Americans, Australians, and many other Indigenous Peoples, along with the homeless men, woman and children, feel like they have grown and advanced? Take an honest assessment of our 'success'. Not all cultures view epedimics of crime, pollution, depression, suicide, obesity, etc as success or growth. And I'll say it again, children are shooting each other, schools need armed guards. Houses need alarms, one out of three women are abused in America. do we need more or less police, armies, weapons and prisons? Is there a growth, or decline, in world resources? All as a direct result of the creation and adoption of the alpha concept. |
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05-07-2007, 02:01 AM
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Again some interesting points Uplift. So you are saying we have Alpha societies? If so would Islam in its latest incarnation not also fit that mold? Seems to be the fanatics touting the virtues of Islam are being quite Alpha. I guess that falls back to my earlier point that alpha ism is not really a positive idea. |
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05-07-2007, 02:25 AM
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Alphas are powerhouses… they organize… they lead… they forge ahead… they make things happen… some are commanders… some are visionaries… some are strategist and some are executors… They made the world what it is today… had there not been alphas… there would be no modern civilization… The history of the world is the story of alphas… The question that should be asked here is not, “Do we need alphas…???” the question should be, “Should you be an alpha…???” It is my contention that everyone who has the predisposition and talent to be one… has the moral obligation to become one… Civilization will not be served by those who are content to watch the parade go by… but by those who will lead that parade… the alphas... . |
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05-07-2007, 02:28 AM
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05-07-2007, 02:38 AM
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It is interesting and enlightening to trace and examine the formation of thinking patterns in different cultures. Some opposing cultures are blind to the fact that they share many of the same foundations to their created and adopted thinking styles. The formation of many of the supposedly different religions is a classic example. Dastrovia, I agree with your comments about the animal kingdom and us. We have a gift. Discrimination, reason and imagination. We can choose to create and adopt any style of thinking and living that we like, and examine the outcomes. If we chose to, we could have an entirely different outlooks and outcomes. Maybe the style of thinking that creates the alpha concept is not that successful or desirable in the long run. Maybe parts of it are. All cultures have some ideals that work better than others. We could create cultures that benefitted all of us, as well as the planet that supports us.
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05-07-2007, 02:44 AM
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Shamou, I asked you before... but in case you have not seen that post... I'll ask again... "Do you think Indigenous Americans, Australians, and many other Indigenous Peoples, along with the homeless men, woman and children, feel like they have grown and advanced...???"
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05-07-2007, 04:09 AM
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In response to your question Shamou: "Anima, in Jungian psychology, refers to the feminine inner personality, as present in the unconscious of the male. It is in contrast to the animus, which represents masculine characteristics. It can be identified as all of the unconscious feminine psychological qualities that a male possesses." - Wikipedia article. As you see, my definition of 'Animus' is of the masculine complex within a man, which really just is the Alpha complex with a different name - some have different degrees of activity from it. Anima, again, I associate with the feminine.
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05-07-2007, 04:19 AM
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05-07-2007, 04:26 AM
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As far as I know... most indigenous people have followed our lifestyle... though I am far from being knowledgeable on that matter... So, I would tend to think that they have advanced... As far as the homeless are concerned... I don't have a clue... . | |
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05-07-2007, 04:47 AM
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Shamou, on the one hand you profess science, proof and evidence, and yet on the other, base your arguments and beliefs on ignorance. To quote you, 'As far as I know... most indigenous people have followed our lifestyle... though I am far from being knowledgeable on that matter... So, I would tend to think that they have advanced...'
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05-07-2007, 04:57 AM
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05-07-2007, 05:23 AM
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05-07-2007, 03:58 PM
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It is my view that everyone of us in this world has a semblance of "alpha-ism" within us. It's just that we don't realise it. However, when the conditions permit, when the "stars are aligned", when we are placed in some unique situation, that 'alpha-ism" within will arise - out of nowhere - and everything will happen in a whirlwind that we ourselves forget our usual normal self. Then when the situation reverts, and things and situation slow to a calm, we sit down and ask ourselves - "what just happened?" "What did I just do?" "Where did that come from?"... and so forth... All that's required is a trigger - for some of us the trigger is higher, way higher - perhaps for others, the trigger point is lower, much lower. Some of us enjoy the power and the high that "alpha-ism" gives us - it gets to the head just like when you consume the japanese wasabe (radish). However, there are also others of us who feel total disdain towards "alpha-ism" and people who exhibit this trait cos we despise people who are like that - showing their "all-hail almightiness" and bossing others around. But really, history has time and again shown us that there is that "alpha-ism" in the simplest of person. The meekest of persons have been reported to have carried out heroic acts and leading others who seemingly were leaders in normal times... What I'm trying to say is, all of us have many sides hidden within - what we choose, consciously or unconsciously to display, portrays the kinda character we are, or at least people who observe us think we are -until triggers hit! Think about it!  ----------------- Kayceezharold The World Thru Kayceez Eyes My Success Plan for Personal Development Last edited by Kayceezharold; 05-07-2007 at 04:01 PM. |
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05-07-2007, 04:10 PM
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However... that is not what true alphaism is all about... a true alpha has a need to lead... basically... his or her brain is wired for it... and they have little choice in the matter... . | |
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05-08-2007, 02:30 AM
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I think that this could be a fascinating topic, but we weren't really given much to discuss besides a test to find out if we were alpha or not. Shamou, would you be interested in sharing with us a little more behind what created this post (ie: how you came upon the concept, etc)? |
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05-08-2007, 04:25 AM
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People will go to any length to avoid making/taking decisions… decisions entail responsibilities… and making/taking decisions can hurt… And that is the main reason people are so fearful of taking action… but if you don’t take action… you don’t get anywhere… So, if you want to succeed… you must become an alpha (a leader) take responsibilities… you will have the lumps… but… you will also have the glory… I have been teaching that for a decade... and I have seen the results... they never deceived me... Alpha rocks man… . | |
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05-08-2007, 05:44 AM
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That is exactly what the group mind (society) was built for, to facilitate the spread of the species by giving a 'comfort zone' for those that are timid or not active in engaging their Alpha complex. Individuality (true individuality, not social identity) is a state brought on by the active engagement of the Alpha complex (or Animus). This engagement creates a focal point within the consciousness that aggregates all the other complexes of the psyche, giving a concerted effort (inside you) to make happen whatever your attention is upon. This concerted effort makes use of the persona to achieve 'interfaces' with society (since you are free and independent from the society), once you learn how to use it you can interface with any social group on the scale, successfully. The Anima is also used (feminine complex) and is primarily focused upon reception and birthing; impregnation from the Alpha (animus) complex occurs with a volition, an idea, or the sudden will to act. Once that thought and resulting action have occurred there is a gestation period based on the intensity of the action until your brand new you is born. All of this occurs within your mind from 'inspiration/idea' to 'gestation/manifestation'. Some actions see a manifestation within minutes (making breakfast for example) to many months away (building a business or building muscle mass) depending on what your belief system is dictating within you. What kind of mixture, how much of each one, when and where they are used is entirely up to the individual - what they believe, how they believe in themselves and what their current conception is of themselves. Proactive, deliberate, disciplined use of the mind and body are key attributes of an individuated entity. As Abraham-Hicks would say, "Tuned in, tapped in, turned on."; as Shamou would say, "Alpha rocks man… "; as Neville would say, "God-Man"; as my family plaque says, "Salus per Christum"; as Ra would say, "One"; as my higher-self would say, "Sapient"(look up the word); and as a great many of people say, "Your true self" or "Full potential".Go git'er!
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05-08-2007, 12:41 PM
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Could you perhaps indicate some examples of those who fit your definition of an alpha? To answer your question of how I define an alpha I am not so sure I can give you a definitive one. I judge and react based on an individual basis and I really do not have a defined guideline in that regard. In the animal world I viewed it as being king of the jungle I guess with no regard to those lower in the food change. Selfish and domineering would be a couple traits. | |
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