Personal Effectivness <<>> Spirituality

[Summerbreeze]

Hello everyone,



I want to talk about an issue, that is for me complicated, or I make it at least so, without seeing the aspects of the bigger picture.

So I've gone trough hardcore atheism and I know what the other end, concept-less thinking spirituality is, though i didn't reach enlightenment

I find that I'm on the one hand very interested in reaching goals, make a career and put my abilities into it, no doubt.

I find on the other hand, that I'm very intuitive and have many vivid experiences with spirituality.

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Are there any people who have gone trough a phase trough their life, were they have to implement bot sides into a paradigm that fits well?
Or is it better to have a non-paradigm, but principle based orientation?

I feel a bit weird, if I'm talking to spiritual persons I'm thinking, gosh what are you doing with your life, it hurts my body just looking at it, you make every one just walk over you and don't accomplish any of your ideas.

If i talk to a person, like a math doctor, i feel like, woah wait a minute, what are you doing with your life, you just miss the whole point of it, you identify with stuff that has no meaning.

This is of course exaggerated.

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So If I'm correct the best is to meet in the middle, but what does this middle look like, since a short period, I was too much on the spiritual side, so I have had absolutely no desire to do things like learning math.

I can covince myself of both paradigms, but if I'm in one it doesn't feel adequate, when I'm more spiritual I'm thinking that I'm wasting my talents, and If I'm too much on the "scientifical-biological-paradigm" I'm feeling I'm a biological machine and miss the spirit, since every thing can be abstracted.


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This is for me a tough thing, i appreciate your piece of information!




~sb

[Mynder]

Hm, I think the underlying problem here is a belief or conviction that real life and spirituality are somehow apart, separate.

From my own experience, this simply is a big heap of cow dung. A major part of growing into your spiritual "adulthood" is "getting along with real life", i.e. learning to take care of your own needs and to act on what you feel is right.

It is easy to fall into a "superiority trap" where you decouple from life because it's believed to be somehow "not relevant". But it is. Otherwise we wouldn't be here in the first place.

People have problems in real life. Spirituality is often just another means of escapism (been there, done that, moved on, one step at a time).

BUT one side effect of this process is that you may completely re-evaluate your priorities. So, yes, you might say that I promote a balance between focusing on the physical and the spiritual. In reality, for me at least, it's more like a pendulum. There are phases in my life where I need to focus on the physical a lot because there is a lot going on that needs attention and action, and in other times there are times where the spiritual "catches up with me", where I get presented with new ideas and concepts, and widen my horizon in that regard.

Seeing the second in the first, and understanding them as innately interwoven, is what I currently believe to be beneficial.

[Summerbreeze]

Thanks Mynder,


it sounds what a part of me said too (the part, that says I'm making this complicated), I was very curious to hear an answer of a person who knows this.

The problem with both sources is, that they tend to act a bit as they were polarity. Not regarding each others aspects, so with every thing you read, you condition those two things, you belief them to be a separate paradigm.

When people have problems, it is easier to say, that they aren't real or have no meaning, i see where this can lead to escapism. This is what i want to avoid, i think a key is even MORE independent thinking.

I think the lesson is to build a healthy ego and to be realistic, regarding not just "idealism", I mean following "ethics" in the degree of the environment.


You are a reminder for the part of myself that was saying the same, thanks!

~sb