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Sunnybayes · 03-30-2007, 04:40 AM

Analytical Personal Development Framework.
This is meant to be a condensed version of all of PD (Personal Development). Crazy right? Well, not to end all other PD, but rather, once you understand this model then you'll be able to take any PD advice and know where it fits in one model and tie it down, so its easier to keep track of everything, and understand what's happening to you as you make progress and have a better understanding of how to apply it to yourself. This is a work in progress, and is still rough.

My goal for this thread is that you would be able to take any PD advice and go "Wow! That's great advice, that's just the same thing as saying [ insert here various sentences about Invariant Representations, thalamus, hippocampus, cerebral cortex]..." AND THEN be able to relate that to the real and physical feelings inside your body and mind so that you can implement that advice very quickly and efficiently. Also to make you realize that if you apply basic concepts to yourself at a high enough level, that large chunks of personal development are automatically going to be taken care of, so that you don't have to worry about improving on several small things.

News:
7/5/07 Typed up "How not to be a headless chicken"
6/14/07 Finished study abroad by bungee jumping off of Macau Tower, highest in the world. I'm thinking about stuff in terms of systems. I'm going to share my life outline system soon. The "social tank" is the best advice I've given myself. Also been reading about left and right brain stuff, and figuring out how to blast through things that are not creative but need to be done. I can see that I'm influencing many bloggers who participate in these forums, I guess I ought to start my own to not miss out.
5/24/07 Got back from traveling to Beijing. Wrote a post of what I'm thinking about and what procrastination is in this model.
5/14/07 Got back from traveling to Guan Zhou. Taking a dive into the wonderful world of cybernetics and "synergetics"

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Practitioners of cybernetics use models of organizations, feedback, goals, and conversation to understand the capacity and limits of any system (technological, biological, or social); they consider powerful descriptions as the most important result.

5/8/07 Being creative

about how to put in the missing pieces of Steve's light/dark worker and Subjective Reality, external world influencing internal wold and vise versa (creativity vs action (at different degrees)) and 2nd law of thermodynamics/evolution/information theory/heat death and QM uncertainty vs classic physics in relation to free will, procrastination, good thoughts vs bad though in relation to society, polarization, psychic stuff, prediction, planning, and creativity all together and how to Get Stuff Done in the best way (what it means the best in different situations), and if humans had unlimited energy/time/resources to spend what would our DNA/evolution/society inspire us to do with it, and zoning out letting my brain recharge after frying it too much yesterday.

5/6/07 Creativity is the core of Personal Development. SEE #12 in the TOC below.
5/6/07 I need to ground this back down to reality again, or it will be hard for people to believe. Its getting to be my own little religion. Its good for those who believe but useless for those who don't believe. bla bla... and stuff about faith.
5/4/07 Added a huge post translating Steve's excellent "Motivation for Smart People"- See article #10 in the TOC below
5/3/07 Just been adding new insights to this thread. I say a little bit more of how law of attraction works, how creativity works.
4/29/07 Going to be treating this thread more as log of my energy and mood, and my experience with applying my model to myself. I am shifting my effort to figuring out a really productive life outline that I can incorporate long term plans with short term plans.
4/26/07 Been thinking about "the human algorithm" on a high level, in more of AI terms. I've written several other post here in this forum, but they are more fuzzy explanations, but still consistent.
4/20/07 Lol. I believe in God again. Though in a different way. Added a link talking about fear. Defined FEAR in the dictionary.
4/18/07 I typed the basic definitions of everything in two post. See the TOC in the history post.
Feel free to muck up this thread as much as possible.

Just wanted to say that learning Steve's insight on Polarization gave me the nudge that I needed so I could move along to do this.

A table of contents of some sorts for this thread (periodically updated. Also many post in here not in this TOC):

What I'm going for in this framework

The core ideas are based on the book called "On Intelligence". There is a company called Numenta apply the ideas in software.

This article on the Neuroscience of Leadership also agrees with this model, discussed in this thread.

Why I'm currently putting this framework into a thread

Read them in order to get the most benefit. The concepts build off of each other. And then read them again.
You can use the "Thread Tools" to subscribe when someone adds a new post. There's also other useful post in this thread not listed here.

1-Who I am, my experience with observing internal state
2-My level of conciousness as defined by Steve Pavlina
3-Dictionary/glossary/translated words
4-Brain Architecture and Consciousness flow
5-Why the feeling of procrastination occurs / Brain reorganization and transition time
6-The Ease the pain of transition when trying to learn a new skill/start new habits/installing new beliefs
7-Get over fear/analysis paralysis, [explained in a kinda fuzzy way]
8-Summary of how high conciousness happens and basically everything[super condensed and hard to read right now]
9-We all have the same goal
10-HOW TO HAVE MOTIVATION(for huge goals)
11-Make motivation to do daily task (like I used this method to start getting out of bed instantly instead of taking 30 minutes. only works though if you have an inspiring and discreet life purpose in your working mind though... should explain that...)
12- Creativity is the key to Personal DevelopmentAlso goes along with Learning but not doing (I like to use the free program FreeMind to make my life purpose IR more discrete)
13-Why actually following your plans leads to stress/uneasiness and unmotivation to plan again(and therefore need a strong life purpose/consistent hierarchy/motivation to have a reason to push through the pain)
14-Some randomly translated quotes(kinda useless right now)

READ THEM AGAIN. It will all make more sense this time around. You'll pick out something that you missed the last time. [the higher order IRs represented here will become more discrete each time you pass through you mind the same lower order IRs]

Then read this thread in a linear fashion because there are some interesting pieces in this thread I have not linked here.

Royce_aus · 03-30-2007, 05:23 AM

control of the mind may be unnecessary just as control of a rose bush is.
A position that i take is that the mind should be properly taken care of, well nutrition-ed with food, and nourished with information that is so readily seeks, allowed to bear its fruit for the benefit of everyone.
Although i would not say do not attempt to control it but perhaps consider the concept of control. the way a parent considers the way they (do or desire to) control their child.

Sunnybayes · 03-30-2007, 06:05 AM

"the way a parent considers the way they (do or desire to) control their child."

Yup, that's exactly what I'm going for.

And stuff like "may be unnecessary just as control of a rose bush is."

and "allowed to bear its fruit for the benefit of everyone."

is what I am trying to get away from. It sounds vague. Yup, it sounds nice and fancy, and makes you feel all good and tingly inside to read it

(I'll be able to explain my idea of why that happens later), but it is hard to know how to apply the advice in a discrete way, unless you can personally relate with what she is saying. Sometimes you just can't relate with what she is saying because you have not experienced the same things as she has and so it is would be hard to know how to apply it to make progress. For example, I've never taken care of a rose bush so I'd have no clue what "may be unnecessary just as control of a rose bush is." means.

What I'm trying to create is something that anyone can relate too, regardless of past experiences, because everyone has a body and emotions and internal sense of feeling.

I am separate from my mind. I am consciousness.

My mind is like another limb of me. My mind surrounds me. I tell my mind what to do so it can tell my body what to do. My emotions are not me. My emotions are just like the gauges on an engine. They are caused by the ancient brain. My emotions are going to happen when I (consciousness) focus myself on some type of sensory input and then my emotional circuitry decides if something in that sensory information applies and so fires the correct emotion. I get to decide if I want to listen to those warning signals, and then I (conciousness) focus myself away from those signals if they are causing me to make bad thoughts. Or if I want to feel happy then I know which emotions to shut off and what sensory information to focus on.

My thalamus of my brain directs where I am focused to, or wait, do I control where my thalamus points myself to, or maybe some kinda feedback, or does the thalamus decide what to send to me so that I (conciousness) look at it? Okay so there's where the argument of free will comes in. I don't know if I have free will or not. I mean I feel like I have my own free will, but then again I might just be controlled by some genetic algorithm caused by evolution, I might just be a biological robot. And I think quantum randomness just gives myself the illusion of free will. But you know, I don't really care.

Sunnybayes · 03-30-2007, 06:26 AM

Here's something I've written about 2 weeks ago, was going to polish it up a bit, but then I might just keep on putting it off. So here's a response to one of the threads where I introduce myself.

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I was doing a relaxation self-hypnosis and was relaxing every part of my body. I can feel some very mild tension melting away from my thighs and toes as I mentally scan through my body from top to bottom. But there's this little tingling tension circulating around my forehead area that didn't go away. When I'm done with the self hypnosis and are fully alert, that tension on my forehead is gone, but every time I try to relax my face during a relaxation session, it's there circulating on my forehead area again. Does anyone here had that experience before? Any suggestions how to let go of that tingling tension circulating around my forehead? Thanks

Hehehe, hey that's very cool. I'm excited that someone has experienced something that I have experienced before.

I've been passively on/off thinking about these ideas for the past 7 years so I'm happy to have an excuse to share them, so please excuse this overly detailed post.

I experienced that the first time I got into self hypnosis when I was in 8th grade. Ever since I have been really interested in the the mapping between my thoughts and the feelings that I feel in my body and the state that I am in. And then I would sometimes get mad at myself because I could not make certain things in my mind feel a certain way. But just becoming aware of your inner state like that just makes everything better. Like you can learn how to manually induce intense concentration, and be able to control your feelings and hunger and sexual desire, and being able to learn faster because you know exactly what to think and do with your mind, and getting rid of self limiting beliefs because you can mentally/physically know in your mind where it is occurring at.. and then I found that if you apply the starkly tingling sensation to that area then it makes that area more open to simulation, reprogramming, so that you can consciously change that area of your mind by letting everything else go through hypnosis and then focusing in on new believes on that area of your mind so that when you come out of hypnosis then it becomes subconscious and you then automatically get the benefits that you put into it reprogramming that area.

Like physically getting the benefits of self hypnosis but being able to manually control it by just being aware of what things feel like. I am very interested in trying to write about what I have found, but I'm trying to think of ways to describe it in writing, but its hard to do cause then you end up describing it as "the tingly sensation in your fore head," and "the feeling in your gut, and "trace the tingly sensation all the way up to the very top of your mind..." when i do that i feel high, absolute heaven... just through out everything, then you can remove deep subconscious habits that you had before and that then you are open to new better beliefs.

And just by knowing that you are above your mind, you can instantly reflect other people's vibes, so you are not dragged into their state, so you can be a strong leader, and you can learn by changing the way you feel at the bottom of your mind and making changing it then you can make other people act in different ways just because you are giving out a different subconscious vibe. And it all sounds so spiritual, but I am a very scientific, I am an undergrad computer scientist and physicist (we have the 2nd best physics program in the nation at uiuc), so I have taken the analytical route to figuring out my mind and how I feel and things like that, trying to take the spiritual/fuzzy/religious b.s. (okay, so religion is not b.s., but just hard to make it practical) out of personal development/meditation and being exact and analytical about inner state, because although that stuff sounds nice, it does not really provide a practical way to implement the ideas because it is all just so fuzzy and open to so many interpretations. So I been on a quest to get to the core of the problem which is the mind itself/brain itself. I'm probably going to write a nice long article about my ideas here soon.

So yea.. let me get into that state that you describe... my idea is that tingly sensation at your forehead is simply your CONSCIOUSNESS and that you are still awake, because after all you are trying to consciously make that tingly sensation go away, and that the harder you try... it just becomes even more stubborn.. doesn't it? That's what I have experienced at least. So you will never get that last bit of tingly sensation out of your head, and when you do, you'll just be asleep.

So when that tingly sensation goes away, then you will simply fall asleep. So don't go crazy about that... I had the same issue to. So the tingly areas are just those areas that your mind and consciousness are currently focused on. By removing the tingly sensation from your legs and the rest of your body, that frees up your conscious resources so that you can direct it to the other areas of your mind so that you can focus it and directly reprogram those areas of your mind/beliefs/brain/memories/feelings that you want to change through hypnosis, like if you wanted to "install a new belief". And its cool because when you install a new belief/change a memory/remember something new, then you can actually feel it in your mind, and that you know when you have felt that in your mind, then by god you just can be sure that it did happen and that you will remember it now and that you will act differently because of it.

I've been able to apply this to several limiting beliefs in my life, like approaching girls, being afraid of heights, just changing habits, not becoming afraid of success, not feeling embarrassed about my crazy sounding goals and just being confident in whatever, because now that I have studied my mind, I know exactly what neural circuits in my mind that I need to change, because goodness, I can feel them lighten up and get tingly and become active when a situation applies to them, and so that I know exactly what the cause of my anxiety was, and know exactly how to change it. Though I still would like to refine my model a little better of course and be able to explain it better in a more structured framework.

But you should explore further of how many layers of that tingly sensation that you can get rid of. The first time ever that I got really far into getting rid of it, this was about 7 years ago, I just kept on tracing. Its hard to describe what I mean by tracing. But here is my idea of what I mean by tracing. When a new spike of tingly/consciousness pops up in your mind... just follow it. Make another spike "happen" "on top" of that spike that just happened. When I do, it feels like it traces "upwards", usually up to my eyeballs, and sometimes if I try too hard then it feels like I am fighting it... but that's just me fighting my own neural circuit of consciousness. And it feels like it just towers above you. And you do this... and it feels like you are in heaven. I'd describe it like feeling high without doing drugs.

To get rid of a tingly sensation in your mind you have to let your consciousness know that it can let go because the idea/situation/memory/feel represented there is no longer useful, or that it will become stored. And this next idea might sound really nuts, but it is my idea that makes sense to me and fits in with what I know about the brain and how it relates to my experiences. The place that it can be stored is the hippocampus, from my experience it is mapped to your feeling of your gut... kinda like your "gut feeling". Why the gut?? I don't know... just seems to be consistent with my understanding. And of course I'm probably totally wrong and it has nothing at all to do with the hippocampus but it fits my model of how my mind works.

To get rid of a tingly sensation you put your attention to it, "go into it", make it "flow down" , or press it down to your gut. Feel the tingly sensation running down from your eyes down your spine and into your gut. And to me it feels like it goes away.

My theory is that you gut is mapped your hippocampus, where memories are stored. I noticed long ago that when I am trying to learn Chinese words or learning a new melody on my trumpet, that if i take that tingly sensation of being aware of the new Chinese word or note, and then consciously "press it down" down to the bottom of my gut that I am able to just about instantly remember it, or it makes it much easier to do so.

So that by moving that tingly sensation down to you hippocampus, your consciousnesses can then forget about it because it is now remembered somewhere, so that helps to get rid of the tingly sensation.

My idea about what happens when a new spark of tinglyness happens is that your conciousness/mind has just become aware/conscious of something, so that that area of your brain is open to learning new things, so if you can consciously realize what that area of the brain is doing, sometimes you can identify things like exactly what thought is causing a certain feeling like fear or whatever, and then you can exactly reprogram so that it no longer trigger fear in you any longer.

But anyway to anyone who reads this and thinks I am a crackpot... its all going to sound like a ton of b.s. unless you actually sit down, relax/hypnotize/meditate, yourself and observe your own mind observe and try to understand and become aware of the feelings that occur in your mind, and learn your own model of your mind so that you can predict how you act and learn to know what changes you should make to your mind. And if any of these points just seem too abstract to actually apply then I'd be glad to try to clarify my ideas.

Sunnybayes · 03-31-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CamC

OK first I would like to say that I am young (not a little kid) and I have very high aims. I'm currently a horrible reader, very slow, very low comprehension. There are certain skills I want to learn and I don't know where to start. I keep bouncing back from book to book, skill to skill. It feels like I'm moving ahead at about 100 mph but am on a treadmill.

The skills I want to learn are as follows:
LoA (deliberate creation)
PhotoReading
The Sedona Method
NLP

Now I keep getting confused on which thing I should try to learn first. One moment I think LoA, then, I get anxiety and think I need to learn PhotoReading first, but then I think that will take too long and I will lose my motivation to move forward, etc. etc. Then if I decide to do LoA, I don't know what product to try (Abundance for Life, Wealth Beyond Reason, The Science of Success).

My time management is all off. I keep procrastinating, feeling tired, and getting nothing done. I have begun using the "Get Around to It" Paraliminal with little results. Any advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

How old are you though? I just turned 21 years old. Most of the people on this forum are in their twenties. There is a thread somewhere that has a pole with the age distribution. Are you in high school or college, or just graduated?

And the feeling of procrastination is actually not a bad thing. That feeling of procrastination actually means that you are trying to push your limits. But it becomes a bad thing if you constantly feel like it because that means your brain never gets a chance to settle on concentrating on learning one thing.

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I keep bouncing back from book to book, skill to skill.
Ok, so you defiantly need to stop jumping around. Why? Because it takes so much energy for your brain to reorganize itself to learning a new skill. And all the transitions of trying to learn something new is what causes you to feel like you are procrastinating.

Well, it sounds like you want to learn many things, so it sounds like alot of reading.

But seriously though, stop bouncing around, that is where all the feelings of uneasiness comes from.

From my experience this semester studying abroad, I have been able to work on my skills on attracting women. I have read material for about 4 hours a day, I've become very motivated and have been able to see alot of progress in myself.

But now this week I actually have to write a paper. This is a major transition in a type of skill that I now must make my brain reorganize itself to tackle, and it feels like hell and lots of energy to get myself to switch modes. So I had to spend three days just trying to focus myself on even thinking about writing the paper, and the feeling like I have been procrastinating was intense during those days and I always felt really uneasy and was distracted easy and was really unmotivated to do it, because it was such a different thing from the habits that I had in me before. Now I am able to concentrate on writing my paper just fine, and I don't feel like I am procrastinating and am at ease because my brain has reorganized itself to handle this task. But this is at the expense that now I am not able to concentrate as well on being able to read about and attracting women.

The first time that I consciously experienced this was last thanksgiving. I am a physics student, but I spent the whole thanks giving break 2 weeks, thinking about relationship stuff, becasuse I really wanted to learn how to get a girl friend. And it was the case that the day that I would get back that I had a midterm in thermal physics. But I knew that I normally only needed to study about 5 hours and then I would be fine. But since my brain was organized to learn and to read about relationship stuff, it took me a day .... 12 hours.... of just sitting there and staring at my thermal physics book before the information would even attempt to go into my head. Then I had to study an additional 5 hours on top of that. I wondered what the hell was wrong with me, but then I look back and realized that was the cause.

I've found that it takes me about 1 - 3 days of transition time to get my brain set and motivation running to be able to learn about something new. So it might be like a week or so depending on how much time you spend.

AND A REALLY IMPORTANT THING. Whatever you do, during this transition period don't get frustrated and try really really hard and bust your balls, because there is a physical limit to how fast your brain can reorganize its neural circuits, so don't let negative thoughts get you unmotivated. Just recognize and except it as a fact that it will just take time, and that as long as you try at least a little bit then you will get through the transition period and then it will become very easy to concentrate and study and get motivation once you get over that hill. [edit: though if you are really forced hard to go through a transition, like the deadline of a paper, its a good way to learn to manage your mood, and really learn the power of affirmations...]

So just take on the task of tackling the PhotoReading for 3 months or 5 or so. It is a very new skill so you are going to have to go through the pain of reorganizing your brain you that you are able to concentrate on the new skill. But if you stick to actually putting in real effort into it, and you'll know you are putting effort into it if you are feeling uneasy, then about after a week, it wont be so hard to think about it and your motivation to learn it will sky rocket and will become fun, and you will form a subconscious habit in your brain of studying it daily and then you will be able to read faster and faster.

Then after about 3 or 4 months or so, of you've felt like you've learned photo reading enough then you can jump onto learning a new skill. But definatly there is a limit to how many skills you can learn at once.

AND you will gain an even more important skill which is to be disciplined to learn something on your own. If you do this then you know that you can learn anything else on your own. You will learn how to learn and remember how to learn. And you will form subconscious patterns of being able to observe yourself.

I think that school would be much easier for kids if it was the case that they spent an extended amount of time just learning one or two subjects, instead of 8....

Sunnybayes · 03-31-2007, 02:53 PM

When you are trying to get yourself to focus on the task
Say affirmations to yourself. All you have to do is say "I am able to learn and focus and concentrate on learning this PhotoSystem, it is becoming very easy" or something along those lines. Just keep on saying that to yourself over and over and over again, basically when a negative thought or feeling pops up when as you are trying to bring yourself to learn the new skill.

This works because when you say it, saying the words of the sentence cause very specific neural circuits in your brain to fire, ones that specifically go along with your command that you gave your mind, and so causes your brain to reorganize faster.

Ok so that sounded very hand wavy I'd admit, I'll just need to think about a way to explain the reasons a little better in a later post, but do it anyway and you'll feel the negative emotions go away.

Well people also call this on the LAW OF ATTRACTION. So the way that I would describe it as it feels inside you body is that when you are trying to make yourself focus, that intention/command that you give your mind, it feels like where it happens it at the top... to me it feels like in your nose. And the resistance and the pain feels like it comes from the bottom, like your stomach.

But anyway saying the affirmation to yourself, to me felt like it made the feeling inside my stomach align with the command that I was giving at the top... but anyway that sounds kinda like fuzzy B.S. but I'll just have to explain it better in a later post.

I just found this out yesterday as I was going through the transition of concentrating on writing my paper, and I remeber using this when I was in high school as well but I forgot about this technique... so I'm glad I rediscovered it.

But say the affirmations anyway, and as you do that, you will be able to actually physically feel what I'm talking about, just be conscious of that feeling in your body, which that in itself might take practice, and you'll know what I'm talking about.

This person know's what I'm talking about... about the feeling of LAO...

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Originally Posted by BelleEnchanted

Some great posts here. I just wanted to add one more thing.

LOA didn't start really "working" for me until I realized that it's not something that you "apply" to your desires. It's a 24/7 thing. It truly is.

When I finally realized that it's all about how I'm feeling, ALL the time, my visualizations took off, so to speak.

These days, I love my life. I love my life and yes, there are always things that I desire. There will always be things that I desire, and getting from here to there is actually the delightful part of the journey.

My mantra is, I love where I am, and I'm eager to experience all the things that I desire. Add that to any of the abundance processes that appeal to you, and it really will all fall into place.

Sunnybayes · 03-31-2007, 07:14 PM

Brain Architecture and Consciousness flow

Based on the Jeff Hawkin's book "On Intelligence".

So there is the cerebral cortex, thalamus, and hippocampus, and ancient brain, other parts of nervous system.
In this I keep on mixing up neural cortex, neocortex, cerebral cortex, the way I use them, they mean all the same thing.

Thalamus:
This controls your consciousness, where it is focused to. This controls where your attention is focused to. This controls what you are focused on. This controls the pathways where information flows in the neural cortex. This controls what thoughts happen and where the thoughts flow at in your brain.
(so for a source, until I return, just google "thalamus directs attentions")

Cerebral Cortex:
This is your subconscious = not conscious at all. It is smart like the hardware of a computer is smart, but it is not conscious. Your conciousness directs the computing resources of your subconscious. You conciousness programs your neocortex, subconcious. It is arranged in a hierarchy. This hierarchy is very important.

This is where long term memories are stored. This is where skills i.e. motor, recognition, language, intuition, whatever smart thing you can do that is hard to program a robot to do, but that you can do automatically. All skills/long term memories are stored in what are called Invariant Representations. I define Invariant Representations below. They are very important.

Basically any computation your mind does without having to consciously think is done here. When you are trying to learn something, your neural cortex has to rearrange itself to form new Invariant Representations (acronym IR) and then you can apply a label to a IR like, "cat", "red", "jump", "move my hand". Each IR has a physical region in the neural cortex. Because the neural cortex is arranged in a hierarchal structure, and each IR has a physical location in the cerebra cortex then each IR can have its own sub IRs. These store goals and such. see below for Invariant Representation.

Hippocampus:
This is where intermediate memories are formed.
Hippocampus replays activity from the current day while sleeping, so that it can train the cerebral to store long term IRs while you sleep, which is why you have dreams. So where does your consciousness go when you sleep? ... still thinking about this one.

Invariant Representations:
Very important. These are made automatically inside your neocortex when it is fed information from either your thoughts or your sense like sight or feeling. No matter what the source of the information is, the neocortex always processes it in the same hierarchical way. It treats all internal (thoughts/feelings) and external (sense) sensory information exactly in the same way.

An Invariant Representation, IR, is a chunk of information that represents a concept. For example, any thought, "red", the word "Hello", the letter "l", your ability to kick a ball, your master plan to take over the world... basically anything... any concept, goal, skill that you can assign a label to is an invariant representation inside your neocortex.

Invariant Representations have a hierarchy structure as well, because the neocortex is a hierarchy structure. For example, the invariant representation of "Turn on TV", has a whole tree of sub IRs. First of all there is TV. It can be broken down into the parts that make up the TV, for example, the shape, the buttons, the tube, the right corner, basically any concept that you can apply to a TV is an IR which has its own physical region inside of the neocortex.

And then "Turn on the TV" can be the IRs of the goal of turning on the TV, which has the sub goals/IR of getting off the couch, move your legs, move your hand, press the button, move back, plop back down to the couch, and each of those IRs can be further broken down into finer and finer hierarchies of IRs.

So when your consciousness decides to tell the thalamus (or does the thalamus tell the consciousness?) to send the IR of "Turn on the TV" to your motor cortex section of the neocortex, then that IR of "Turn on the TV" opens up specific channels of information flow which goes down the hierarchy of the neural cortex / IRs which ultimately tells the motor cortex how to do the steps to fulfill the goal of "Turn on the TV"

So all the goals that you have are IRs. When you visualize your goals, you are making new higher order IRs that are constructed from the lower level IRs that are your thoughts, which are either verbal or nonverbal. When you constantly think of lower level thoughts (=lower order IRs) in your mind, the higher level areas of the neocortex takes those as input and are therefore able to create the higher order IRs which is the visualization or problem that you are trying to solve. Really cool eh?

How your brain learns Invariant Representations:
So the information can also flow up the hierarchy of the neural cortex.
The cerebral cortex, from the time you are a baby, beings to learn the IRs of the world automatically when sensory information is applied to it. So first it learns the very lowest level in the hierarchy IRs. Like for vision, first it makes IR for recognizing lines, then using those IR of lines, it makes new IR of shapes, and from those IRs, it makes IRs of bigger objects like faces.

And it does not matter what type of sensory information it receives, it treats it all the same and forms IRs in the same way no matter if it is visual, audio, skin, taste, smell, or even its own sub IRs, because after all, all the information is converted into electric signals so that it can treat it all the same.

For example, that's how a baby learns to speak language. It hears sounds, the lower levels IRs are created that can understand pitch, then phoneme, and then it gets more complex and the next level up in the neocortex uses those IRs to create new IRs that can understand the words, and then from the words, goes the phrases, sentences... ect. ect.

The reason that there are certain language centers in the brain, like Wernickies Area, is because the sensory information of hearing is always fed to the same area of the brain in all humans, so that spot happens to specialize in langauge processing. I think I remember reading that there was some child early on that had half of its brain removed, or didn't develop right, but still learned how to speak, but of course the language center ended up in a different area.

Prediction:
Is when information flows down the hierarchy. Like you predict your friend is going to hit you in the face, so your brain reacts and makes a prediction/activates the correct IR that is then propagated down the hierarchy until that prediction is transformed into movement. Yes prediction causes movement, that is how you move, is when you make predictions but is sent down into the motor cortex.
[will be clarified...]

Thoughts:
This is just information flow.
There are verbal and nonverbal thoughts. The verbal thoughts are when you speak things in your mind of course. They are caused when the thalamus lets the information flow into the IRs that represent language skills. You can have visual thoughts when you direct thoughts /IRs/ Consciousness /information to your visual IRs structures of the cerebral cortex.
[to be clarified when I return. check out the Numenta paper, linked at the top]

For the people who are deaf, they think thoughts in sign language of course by having the thalamus direct the thoughts/IR to the motor cortex:
In what language do deaf people think?

Quote:

"In what language do the profoundly deaf think? Why, in Sign... Research suggests that the brain of a native deaf signer is organized differently from that of a hearing person. ...He met a woman in her 90s who would sometimes slip into a reverie, her hands moving constantly. According to her daughter, she was thinking in Sign. "Even in sleep, I was further informed, the old lady might sketch fragmentary signs on the counterpane," Sacks writes. "She was dreaming in Sign."

Observation = consciousness = when information flows up the hierarchy:
so curious thought here :
Every atom of the universe has a small piece of consciousness in it, after all how else would a rock know when it gets kicked by your foot? But that you become conscious because your brain organizes that consciousness using the IRs, and that "you" (the part of you that says "I") is when the consciousness converges at the top of the of the hierarchy of the cerebral cortex, so that you can command and think of higher order goals/IRs and they are higher order more complex goals because they are higher up in the hierarchy. And so now it is a question of is there a genetic DNA program that directs the thalamus to direct the consciousness? So that we are just biological robots? Or does the consciousness somehow direct itself? But I don’t think that makes sense if the consciousness directs itself, because consciousness is part of every atom in the universe, so we must be biological robots... oh well :-) ... thank goodness evolution programmed in our human morals right?

But I have not thought through of how the consciousness converges into I. [will be clarified too...]

Sworn · 04-01-2007, 09:25 PM

Keep doing what you're doing man
By now I read the whole thing and its also greatly written and everything

It's great on how it helps me focussing on focussing. I just finished practicing the power of now by Eckhart Tolle and its funny reading it really forces you to think about your thinking and thus, according to Eckhart Tolle, accessing higher consciousness.

What type of relationship stuff did you get into, BTW?
This is a blog I'm currently checking out and liking it The Reality Method

Sunnybayes · 04-02-2007, 02:56 PM

Before you read this part, be sure to have read everything before this post in this thread, because I build off of ideas represented there.
including the idea "IRs" = Invariant Representations.

And currently this is really really dense, I'll have to uncondense it later, but I just wanted to get this all out so I would not forget it.

And I'll be able to explain accessing higher consciousness here soon, basically it means just having your thalamus focus your conciousness at the top of the heirachy and not letting IRs form/settle/harden at the top of it up there, because you constantly keep your conciousness on it, (focusing your conciousness on an IR keeps that IR open to being reprogrammed, and then when your consciousness is focused away from that IR then that IR can settle down into the subconscious so that it becomes an automatic skill/habit ) so you don't form habits (habits=IR=skills) which control your overall behavior at that higher level, so that you prevent yourself from being influenced by the external environment without your awareness, so that for example, you can always keep your cool if someone is trying to scare/intimidate you, or you can always be aware if a new ping of fear comes in,

or that you can instantly make yourself happy because being happy is caused when you have all the IRs alligned in your brain to handle all input/sensory information, because pleasure happens in your brain when existing IRs are strengthened or created, because creating new IRs means that you will be able to survive better, because you can predict your environment better, and so your brain wants to reward you for being able to survive better, because that's evolution baby, and that's why you become board, because there is a lack of pleasure that was once there, because you no longer need to create new IRs because you've already formed all the IRs that you'd ever need to handle all situations, so that's why your favorite song finally gets old, that new video game just gets too boring, and why my friend's favorite quote on facebook says "You have to play a game you can't win no matter how hard you try. This moment is the only thing that matters." and why you're always going to want more crap, unless you can figure out a hobby, like starting a business, that can always build on the lower order IRs, but can always get more and more complex and never repetitive, instead of getting some stable easy job, but not too crazy though, because if it is too chaotic, then the situations would be totally different and your brain has to waste energy in creating totally new IRs constantly, because there are no lower order IRs to build off of, because they do not generalize to the new situation, so that it just becomes too stressful and it really starts to hurt, which is why i'm going to continue to write this instead of working on my Asian language paper, because that totally has nothing to do with this stuff, and would take waaayyy to much energy to focus on write now, and would totally screw up this streak here,

And that's why I'm getting that burst of pleasure that happens when that light bulb goes off in your head, is because you've finally created that higher order IR (= Brilliant Idea), that merges all your lower order IRs (thoughts) into something coherent which just makes everything click

awesome eh?

Brutha · 04-02-2007, 11:34 PM

Quote:

A fundamental assumption: every atom of the universe has a piece of consciousness or how else would a rock "know" that you kicked it? Or consciousness = Electricity = information.

So how conscious a rock is depends of the number of his electrons?
When you set conscious=electricity you don't need the term conscious anymore, so drop it.

It also doesn't explain the hard problem even a bit.

Quote:

Thoughts:
This is just information flow.

Information is nothing that exist independent of an observer. It is no good word when you want to describe something physical.

Quote:

Thalamus:
This controls your consciousness, where it is focused to.

Source please.

Quote:

But I have not thought through of how the consciousness converges into I.

What do you mean with consciousness? When you treat it as something different than "I"?

As a side note, a blog would be a better place for your theory than this board. A board is for discussion about theories, it is not the place where long theories are posted (you can link to them).

Sunnybayes · 04-03-2007, 01:50 AM

Thanks for the feedback!!!!!

Does not really count, but until I return just google "thalamus directs attention"

"It also doesn't explain the hard problem even a bit." I remeber this really awesome post that I found on the On Intelligence forums, I'll find it, when I return.

And yea, it does not "explain the hard problem even a bit." I'm still trying to figure that one out also.

Yea, I agree. I have those points as the 2nd next things to clear up, as soon as I return from my travels in about 8 days. And yes a blog would be useful too. I intend too, but I have never done a blog, though I imagine it is a very easy thing to set up. But at least this way I get out some information out and to make a splash to at least get a little feedback. I started this thread to make it more like a progress thread like others have done, but then I thought it would be a bit more useful if I just made it all more structured so the reader could get more out of it. And I found out that I have tons more that I wanted to say than I originally thought that I would. oh well.

Don't rip it up too hard

, or do, that way I'd have a little better direction of what to explain next

...

Cheers until I return!

.

Mark Lapierre · 04-03-2007, 05:38 AM

I think it's great that you're putting so much thought into this, and looking to improve your own understanding and help others do the same.

Have you checked out dirtsimple.org? The lack of structure in your posts, and the combination of details explanations and "stream of thought" writing, neither of which have been written concisely, make it difficult to get a good picture of what you're saying, though I believe I understand the subject matter, and I believe that Phillip over at dirtsimple has said similar things. His latest post talks about "rooms in the mind" which seems like an analogy for IRs. And the creation of new "doorways" in those "rooms" is like establishing a very particular link between IRs.

In other articles, which I can find a link to if necessary, he goes into more detail about the links between thoughts, feelings, sensations, and emotions. He also makes a clear distinction between the "you" that thinks, and the "you" that actually does stuff. All the articles listed in the "Popular articles" section are good.

I like Phillip's style of writing, because even though there's a lot of text to read, he tells a story while providing information. And it's all broken up in a way that makes it easy to digest in little chucks.

Perhaps the information you've presented here could benefit more by being broken down into smaller bites, and made more concise, before trying to explain anything in any greater depth. It seems there's already plenty of depth there, it's just a little inaccessible at the moment.

As Brutha said, this is the wrong medium for this material. The problem is that this is a discussion format, and discussions are almost never linear, or well cross-referenced, and that's two things that are needed to more effectively digest a large amount of info. Ideally you'd write a series of essays, post them on a separate website, either static html or a blog, and link here for further discussion.

You seem really motivated, so I'm sure my constructive criticism won't faze you

Sunnybayes · 04-03-2007, 05:58 AM

Thanks for your reply also!

That's another reason why I made a thread like this, to see if anyone has heard about any other similar ideas about it, that way I can take those ideas, and rehash it into my model. Will defiantly check it out.

But yea, a blog will defiantly be cool. But till then, I'm just going to keep writing post and then editing the very top post to keep them all glued together. Then that would have exactly the same effect as if I just posted them somewhere else on the internet, and then just made a new link here in this thread.

So the benefit of this method is that there is easy navigation provided by the table of contents at the very top thread, and then after I write in a new section, people can write any discussion here. And I wont have to worry about generating traffic to my website or whatever, or until I at least figure out exactly what the whole blogging world itself entails, and I don't want to currently think about that because it would distract me from the ideas about the framework i'm trying to hash out. just going to focus on one thing at a time.

Then if it really does start to get unwieldy, something like what's happening to the PATHS results page, then I'd have fulfilled my immediate goal that I've written enough details into the framework that I know that people actually see some value into it and are open to discussing it, and are likely to give me some good pointers to reaching my goal.

Another thing, I feel like I can get away with my crazy writing style, because if it were in a blog then I think I would be worrying too much about presentation, which is perhaps something that I should be doing, but now I'm more worrying about trying to get my thoughts out into something more discrete. And its much more motivating if you know that other people are actually looking at what you're writing...

But basically I'm using this thread more as a nice brainstorming session, blend. Just remember that this framework is quite new and still a work in progress, I've been internally and subconsciously thinking about all these thoughts, but this is the first time that I am trying to define it into something really discrete.

Then what I'll do is extract everything that I've written here and then rehash it into a new blog or web page. But I'm not going to worry about that now, or for another two weeks or month or so. Because I don't want to waste my effort in a blog if something already exists out there that basically covers the exact things that I'm saying.

alpha372 · 04-03-2007, 06:36 PM

Sunnybayes:

I love your thread! If it were organized into a book I would buy it! I love the way you keep most of the big words out, and just sorta spew things out as they come.

However, as I said, I wish it were organized into book form so that I could get even more use out of it.

alpha372 · 04-03-2007, 06:41 PM

Sunnybayes:

I'm glad that you like the feedback that others are giving you. However, please don't feel like you have to justify your existance to anyone that has anything to say. I just feel like your wasting a lot of time doing that!

alpha372 · 04-03-2007, 06:50 PM

sunnybayes:

Suggestions:
It would be really cool, if in the future, you could make links that define the big words you use. Like, what is PD? I skipped over the definition of hippo-blah without realizing it, so it would be cool if I could just tap that word and have it lead to a defintion...if possible.

Question:
I have a hard time with motivation. I find that I relate to everything you are saying about procrastination. Especially, the story about having to switch to doing a silly paper after really focusing on getting a girlfriend.
I want you to apply your knowledge to my situation:

My situation is this:
I have a two year old son. I have a big house to clean. I am taking a linear algebra college course. I have a hard time finding balance!!

How do I motivate myself to study linear algebra. The hardest thing for me to do is to do review, it's kinda boring. How do I get into it, as you said, or how do I "make it fun."

alpha372 · 04-03-2007, 07:18 PM

So, you want a girlfriend.
Well, you could get one from the same site I did:
Hotornot.com

Opportunity cost:
You have to spend time writting back and forth

Solution:
Find a girlfriend with the same interest and goals as yourself. This way, you can write back and forth about the things that matter to the both of you.

So you want to attract women:
Warning:
It's a big opportunity cost to attract the wrong kind of women. You will spend lots of time with someone who will try to change you and it won't work out anyway, so what's the piont?

Solution
Make sure you know who you are.
1) what do you spend most of your time doing?
Don't do anything that will attract women who don't spend time doing the same thing.

ex: Don't dress like you have money if you don't. You will attract women who like to spend time shopping. Don't wear business attire.

If you just want to have sex and no girlfriend:
1) Dress like you have money
2)stand up straight when you walk-- a girl likes a man with confidence
3) smile -- it makes you seem confident and fun
4) learn how to flirt -- a girl likes to be told that she is beautiful
5) learn how to make the first move with confidence, without being gross about it.
a) must share a laugh together before you make a move
a1) this requires a date that will evoke happiness
a2) I've heard that movie then dinner is best way to get convo going.

My advice
Go for getting a girlfriend instead of just sex. Then you won't have to prentend to be someone your not.

When trying to get a girlfriend, never prented to be something you aren't:
ex: don't pretend to be neat and clean if you aren't. You will attract someone who is neat and clean, which will lead to fights further down the road.
Ask yourself:
what kind of girl you want to attract, and become that yourself. If you want to have a well dressed girlfriend, dress well yourself. If you want to have a girl with a good vocab, make sure you have one yourself. If you want a "hot babe" make sure you're a "hot babe" too.

Don't tell a girl that you're an inventor when you come home from work and watch tv all night.

bottom line:
Don't do anything that will attract someone who is not good for you. It will be stressful and a big big waste of time!

alpha372 · 04-04-2007, 12:58 AM

I just read the link for "the reality method", and I must say, that as a girl, it is pretty good advice for arousal. Yes, it is true that you have to somehow implant the idea of intimacy into our minds before you actually make any moves, or get us thinking about it which can be done in numerous ways.

I like that he mentions to tickle before kissing. Because a guy play wrestling with you and getting you to laugh is a good way of going about it.Don't ask the girl what is a turn on to her. A girl wants to know that you pay enough attention to her that you can figure it out yourself. Try different methods, see which one works. If one doesn't work out, don't give up and say, "it's useless, she doesn't like me." You're just probably approaching it the wrong way.

I'm insulted by his method of "I have to see if you are any good at sex first." But when it comes down to it, if all you care about is sex, then you should definately let potential mates know your intentions.

I still say,just stay away from girls period, until one just comes along that naturally fits into your life style.

Relationships that aren't formed between two people with a lot of common ground ,are just a big pain in the ass.

If you want intimacy, be intiment with the right person.

Liara Covert · 04-06-2007, 04:10 AM

"If you want intimacy, be intimate with the right person."

Good advice alpha372. In order to find the 'right person,' you become more effective (improve your track record) if you know yourself well and take time to explore the compatibility and priorities of the prospective partner.

Sworn · 04-16-2007, 09:10 AM

Hey Alpha 327

I agree with liara great advice and (im gonna sound pretty arrogant and sexist here) especially for a woman.

4) learn how to flirt -- a girl likes to be told that she is beautiful
If that's flirting, I can play guitar with my omelet Its true though.
Its all in the way you say a woman is beautiful. Most guys will interpret this like it's ok to suck up to a woman and tell her she's beatiful in a very needy and approval seeking way.
So it's all about subcommunication really
A lot of women will give you advice based and what they think SHOULD work morally but actually causes them to run away as fast as they can at the end of the day.
But yes of course women do like a confident man.
Yes being honest and authentic is very powerful.
Yes being yourself is very attractive. Yet it's a lot easier said than done when you're not a confident guy, introverted, fearful etc...

What will guys who have proplems with women and can't get laid by hotties have going
Here's a guy who has trouble getting laid and is authentic - like I used to be and still am for a great part: "Well you know I like to play a lot of videogames and surf the internet and like to chill" while he stares off into the distance.
If you want to date girls casually and have sex with them and they're in for the same thing, why not?

yada yada yada,....
None of what I say are my own ideas but other people have figured this out. I can backup all the above with real life experience though.

Fast Seduction 101: Art of Pick-up and Seduction (where this whole nightmare kind of took flight)
read dynamic sex life by gunwitch
double your dating david d wont hurt I guess
IDEAGASMS Free Newsletter Offer
Real Social Dynamics (tyler durden's articles are just brutal)

just off the top of my head

Sunnybayes · 04-16-2007, 09:37 AM

Lol, hey guys.... lets keep this kind of stuff in the relationship forum.

but hey, thanks for the resources. I've been studying those resources since new years actually.

it was a post by Wulfen... in response to songwriter who pointed me in that direction by his awesome posts here in these forums.

Its been awesome here in Hong Kong, because I've had the chance to go out clubbing 2 times a week.

But I'm taking it easy now. I've reach the point that I'm confident now. It was awesome, last time I went to a club, a pack of girls came to the pack of guys I was with because of mutal friends. I just introduced myself, totally saw that all the girls we giving me signs of attraction through their body language... almost instantaneous... I applied some of juggler's stuff... worked like a charm. Had this hot girl wanting to dance and grind with me in like 5 minutes, but I ended up displaying too much value to her... so she wanted to be my girl friend. You should have seen the looks on my friends' faces, they looked jealous sitting out there on the side while I has having fun alone on the dance floor with this awesomely hot/cute girl. She wanted to see me again, but I'd told her that she'd probably never see me again after a month (because studying abroad is ending) and that I really did not want to hurt her to have her miss me.

If I was an AFC I'd totally think she'd be the only thing I'd have going and somehow be a sucker into trying to do a long distance relationship. but I know I can get another cute girl like that when I get back home if I want.

I made that realization. So I figure since I'd had that much success in making relationship stuff work out, then I'd figure it would pay off enormously if I applied all that into something like making money, finding direction, and just developing myself in general.

Although I've made lots of progress in the relationship stuff I'm shifting my focus on AI. and since working on AI means figuring out the mind, then that means I'd have lots to contribute to personal development. And hence this thread... which I am intending to update with new theories about conciousness and just how to get direction.

So now, I'm going to spend the next 4 months putting all that effort into getting better direction in my life so I know how to focus and apply my energies. Perhaps I'll see if I can generalize this the ory I'm working on so that it can explain what goes behind in social interactions and things like that.

Sunnybayes · 04-16-2007, 11:33 AM

HEHEHE....

yea I should get a blog[added to my to do list... check]. Oh well. Here's to this post anyway

Am I afraid... no. Have I define what it entails. No. Would I rather just think for now and not care about traffic... yes. Would it take about 6 minutes to set up... probably... but it seems like a 5 hour adventure. I have finals this week... 5 hours is lots of time.

HEY ITS MY THREAD ANYWAY!!!!

5-6-07 I don't actually use this post anymore... I just keep it all at the top.
4-19-07 Made link to "We all have the same goal"
4-18-07 Added two post. "Translated words and phrases and also "translated quotes 1"
4-16-07 Added news

Sworn · 04-16-2007, 10:24 PM

awesome sunnybayes

you got the brains to back up to become really good and natural at the relationship stuff.
Great to hear you got into Juggler. I love his philosophy and method

im on the outlook of a new post of yours
cheerio

Sunnybayes · 04-18-2007, 09:40 AM

This is a working list of abstract words, that I've come across that I wanted to translate into my model. As always, a work in progress. Some of it is speculation... but grounded to reality through my experience. As I think about it more, it will become more consistent, plausible and able to make better predictions about behavior. My real motivation for me is to define some concepts that I can use in programming artificial intelligence.

some parts missing currently...

Bolded words have definitions in here

IRs = invariant representations, defined here

IRs = goals = vision = subgoal of biologically built in human goals = habit = Invariant Representation. A goal becomes action when its sub IRs are defined enough that they become linked to the IRs that control physical movement, and then the consciousness has pointed its attention to that root of that goal to run that brand new IR that has been created. These are created in your subconscious. They run automatically subconsciously when your conciousnesspoints to them.

GOAL: An IR that has not had its sub IRs defined yet. Visualizing/thinking is the process of creating those sub IRs. Hope (see below) is the driving force to reach this goal, or implement this goal, or follow it to realization.

MOTIVATION: Feeling that occurs in brain when a higher order goal/IR/plans has been reinforced with sub goals/IRs/plans. After this feeling happens, then your subconscious has been trained and it becomes easy and automatic. Like the feeling of lightbulb that goes off in your head after you've finally thought of that awesome idea that just makes everything make sense, like "wow! that's awesome"

ATTENTION: Where your conciousness is focused = the pathways that are opened up the hierarchy. The pathways are like the branches of the tree of the hierarchy. The pathways that are open determine what sensory information is bothered to be dealt with. There is a pathway from the lowest levels IRs where the sensory information comes into all the way up to where your conciousness converges into "I", to make you aware. When "energy"(not defined yet) flows up the hierarchy then "you" are concious of that "thought" or feeling, and when it flows down, then an action is created, like thinking a new thought, or moving your legs.

FOCUS: what you attention in on, OR the process of going through the transition to shift your attention, OR"he has the focus to get it done" = motivation, OR already having your hierarchy configured so that the right pathways are open so that the goal or skill needed is automatic.

CONSCIOUSNESS: Different meanings right now.
"I" = organized conciousness of atoms converged at the top level of the hierarchy in the cortex.
The "thing" [maybe thalamus, maybe reticular activating system] that directs your attention.
Everything is concious, but maybe only human have free will to direct attention.
The "thing" that programs your cortex so you can learn new things.
I'm beginning to think that free will is much more limited because I think that even our thinking is guided by thinking patterns.

HIGH CONSCIOUSNESS: not letting habits form at the highest levels of you cortex hierarchy, by keeping your attention there. But it is a struggle, because I think there is an IR that controls the patterns of how your attention/conciousness is focus, so breaking that pattern of being low conciousness is difficult. [yea that seems like round about logic...]

BOREDOM: "This game is boring!!" Well it was fun when you first played it. This happens when the IRs of your subconscious become so good that it is able to handle all the sensory information that the situation provides, so you brain is no longer giving you pleasure from creating new IRs, because it does not need any more, because all the patterns have been explained. And so that video game is just too easy too beat.... time to buy a new game. Or perhaps boredom happens when the sensory information coming in just does not match you attention.

STRESS: Caused when you have several fragmented IRs trees in your cortex that dont have a common root. This means you are handling too many situations that are not related. So you constantly have to spend the energy to make the transitions in each situation. Way to combat is to have hope and high conciousness so you dont have to expend the energy required to switch between the situations.

brainstorming = visualizing = thinking = affirmations = Creating higher order IRs based on your thoughts to either run a simulation of your goals, or to create new goals, or to make prediction.

SUBCONSCIOUS: all IRs of your cortex that are not being programed/inspected by your conciousness. It is intelligent like computer hardware, smart but not concious. It is extremely powerful because it runs automatically. It is programmed by your conciousness, during any type of learning, like learning vocab words, learning how to play golf. All your conciousness has to do it to point itself to the root of the needed IR already programmed, then it is run automatically from there.

CORTEX: same as subconscious, neural cortex.

HIERARCHY The way I use it elsewhere sub means the IRs of your cortex and the way they are connected, basically your subconsciousness. Made up of pathways.

HOPE: highest level pattern that keeps you seeking stimulation. "I hope that some day things will get better, so that's the reason I justify keeping my mental habits the same, because I think that they'll eventually form the IRs themselves that will allow me to reach that goal. "Even though you dont know why you are doing this... just do it because of hope". I see this as what makes delayed gratification possible.
OR Hope = reason/way to keep your attention/conciousness on your higher order IRs so that you remain high concious so you are able to deal with several non related situations so that you can easily make the transitions between those situations.
OR keeping your mind open (not low concious)
OR the acknowledgment that the high order IRs is there or wanted, but the sub IRs have not been made.

DELAYED GRATIFICATION:Acknowledgment that you have a goal and its sub goals = sub IRs have not been created yet, but you know that you'll have lots of

HAPPINESS: A balance achieved when your IRs of your mind can handle all situations of your life, but provides just enough original experiences such that new IRs can be created. Basically a balance between boredom and stress. Has to do with having all the other built in goals satisfied like being social, having sex, being fed. Way to reach it? Have a really strongly defined top IR so that everything you do can link onto it, therefore every situation thrown at you fits nicely into your hierarchy, so

TRANSITION This is the process of creating new habits and IRs that can handle new sensory information of any new experience. There is pain caused because it takes energy to create new IRs. This is what makes focusing on anything hard if it is new. This is why Steve Pavlina's 30 trial is useful, because it gives you hope that the pain will not stay and that you can end it. But that the pain of transition goes away after you have spent the energy to

SENSORY INFORMAION-This comes from your senses like site, hearing, touch, taste, and also all of your internal feelings. I'm not sure yet if I should define this to include the feelings of emotions yet.

Pattern - All sensory information comes in as an electrical pulse that varies over time. Like each pixel of light that comes in though your eyes, or the pressure on your eardrum when you hear something is a pattern of electric signals. What an IR does is that if sensory information flows up into it, (up the pathways) then it "names" that pattern with a label, and then sends it up the hierarchy/ pathway to its parent IR, so that its parent IR deals with less information. When an IR receives information from its parent IR, down the pathway, that parent IRs just says that one label and then the child IR, looks it up, and then replays that pattern to its children IRs. SO that how your thought/goal of "go buy food" is translated into all your physical actions of actually getting to the store, as the conciousness points to "go buy food", and then is turned to action as it propagates down your hierarchy. Also, listen to Steve's podcast on patterns.

HABIT: A Pattern that is high up in your hierarchy. Therefore, habits are hard to break if you don't have high conciousness, first, because the are subconscious, and second because you have to do a transition to shift your focus for your conciousness to program in your subconscious a new habit.[still thinking]

FEAR: When your conciousness focuses on an IR in your hierarchy that is too many missing sub IRs. The fear of the unknown. It causes you to become paralyzed forcing you to learn about the unknown things, such as if you see a predator that you've never seen, height so high that nothing is recognizable in the familiar way, or if you fear wealth because you'd have no clue what it would be like. Fill in those sub IRs in your favorite way.

Sunnybayes · 04-18-2007, 10:42 AM

All the bolded words have been defined here: Translated words and phrases 1

Quotes explained:

Quote:

Sometimes, the motivation is more painful...like when there is a bill to pay that is just no fun at all, but at least if feels good when it's been done.
So when there is no fun involved, at least I can focus on the good feeling that I know is on the other side of the task.

"motivation is more painful"
The pain associated with reorganizing your brain to break old habits, learn new IRs. Motivation happens after you've spend enough energy that the new IRs are installed.

"if feels good when it's been done"
It was able to be done because the IRs were created. Pleasure is also created when IRs are formed. It is a balance between energy spent causes pain, and the IRs being created causes pleasure. If a higher order IRs are reinforced then more pleasure is created. If there is a totally new experience that occurs then low order IRs needs to be created and there are many more lower oder IRs to be created because it is on the deep end of the hierarchy, and so lots of energy is expended and is very tough and painful to do. But then the subconscious has been trained and so behavior/action becomes automatic after that.

"So when there is no fun involved"
No fun involved because the IRs that need to be created have not been created yet. Fun = using those IRs that have already been created.

"at least I can focus on the good feeling "
The hope. Focusing on the hope. Keeping herself high concious so she can ease the transition of creating the new IRs needed. Delayed gratification.

Sunnybayes · 04-18-2007, 04:15 PM

The basis of this framework is based from the concepts of the book by Jeff Hawkins called "On Intelligence" .
There is a 2 year old startup company called Numenta that Jeff Hawkins started so that he can implement the ideas of the book in software. Their website is here: Numenta.com

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Why did we create Numenta?
Numenta was formed to develop and promote a technology called Hierarchical Temporal Memory, or HTM. We are confident that the principles underlying HTM are the same principles that govern much of the operation of the human neocortex; thus, HTM enables the creation of machines that have some of the capabilities of the human brain. We see HTM as a fundamental new computing methodology able to solve longstanding problems in artificial intelligence and machine learning. Be sure to read the white paper on our web site that describes the basics of HTM and what it can do.

The first release of the Numenta Platform for Intelligent Computing (NuPIC) is a research release targeted at sophisticated developers for the purpose of education and experimentation. NuPIC implements a hierarchical temporal memory system (HTM) patterned after the human neocortex. We expect NuPIC to be used on problems that, generally speaking, involve identifying patterns in complex data. The ultimate applications likely will include vision systems, robotics, data mining and analysis, and failure analysis and prediction.

Read the white paper from here: http://www.numenta.com/Numenta_HTM_Concepts.pdf
Has cool concepts like learning, thoughts, action, prediction. Might take a day of reading to understand throughly. But its worth it to at least scan it. There is also a forum where the book "On Intelligence" has been discussed. It is here: On Intelligence Forum

alpha372 · 04-23-2007, 01:19 AM

Sworn: This is what you said:

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Originally Posted by Sworn

Hey Alpha 327

What will guys who have proplems with women and can't get laid by hotties have going
Here's a guy who has trouble getting laid and is authentic - like I used to be and still am for a great part: "Well you know I like to play a lot of videogames and surf the internet and like to chill" while he stares off into the distance.
If you want to date girls casually and have sex with them and they're in for the same thing, why not?

This is my response:
Q)Why would any guy have problems with women?

also:
There are numerous reasons why a guy couldn't get laid by a hottie, including:
1) he's too ugly for his standards of "hot girl"
--if you're not hot, a) you probably shouldn't breed, or b) fix yourself! LOL

2) Too shy and doesn't approach women
a) fix yourself

but who cares. If you like video games, blah blah blah, find a girl who likes that too. If you like being ugly, you will attract women who have the taste of "ugly."

Sunnybayes · 04-29-2007, 05:01 PM

Lol "likes the taste of ugly", hehe. Looks barely matter.

but anyway.

Just noticed that I have a huge energy sink after eating a big meal, and I start getting depressed over nothing. But of course, not a major depression, just feel sad all of the sudden. But that's just because my stomach eats up all my energy and so my mind becomes depressed.

Okay, so I'll have to make a good habit of eating small snacks throughout the day. And I'm going to spend the summer installing the habit of being vegan.

Sunnybayes · 04-30-2007, 05:26 AM

Been very productive in the last week. Planning an hour day is really paying off. I've been able to get all the random stuff of life taken care of very well. But its all the stuff that needs to be done, but is not really related to each other.

For example, cleaning up my room, exercising, working on another paper, filling out applications, doing errands, and just planning using FreeMind and making my life outline (basically just a calendar implemented as a mind map where I can manage long term goals with short term actions, like Steve does with Action Outline) and reading stuff.

But I noticed that I've started to feel negative in the last day or so, just kinda angry. Though at nothing (or everything if I let myself think verbally for an extended period see Silent Thoughts ). And nothing seems to have caused it. But if I believe my model that I've hashed out, then its because, hehe... I've fragmented my hierarchy by blasting through all that unrelated stuff that needs to be done. Yes I feel good to myself that I've been able to make lots of progress on getting things taken care of. But following my schedule has made me go through constant transistions(see transitions post) of doing something totally unrelated every 30 minutes or so. I've been able to keep up my motivation for doing them by constantly reminding myself of my highest level goals, reminding myself of how each of these activities links into my highest level goals, better described in these post, How to stay better discipline?, Sunnybayes' interpretation. This keeps each tasks that I need to do attached to the hierarchy that is the source of my motivation.

The motivation is there to plug through, but the negative mood needs to go away. So I can think of two ways to do this. Make myself do less transitions by sticking to one thing for like 5 hours or so until it is done, like Steve describes in Do It Now, or busting out with being in a state of higher concious. I'm going to try out the second way for the next several days to see if I can learn to deal better with constant change, and not be stress out (though I'm not really stressed, I just have a negative mood), and be in a positive mood.

If that does not work, then I'll just have to stick with one task longer until completion. Ultimately I'd think that sticking to one task would always be more productive, though in case I have a temporary job that forces me to juggle several unrelated things, then I'd know I could handle it this way.

But basically, the way I define being higher concious is actually pretty simple. Summed up in a sentence... just keeping focused on the feeling at the highest part of the hierarchy... inside my head feeling it is behind my eyes around my nose, and then behind that... then higher still, you are know you are doing it right if you feel like it pulls you out of the current situation. I should work on explaining this better.

I've also found some other sources on the internet that describe what I mean by linking goals to the hierarchy.

Sunnybayes · 04-30-2007, 11:00 AM

There is a website about neural linguistic programming that seems to be in a good analogy to the hierarchies of invariant representations and the idea that you have more energy and are more motivated if everything in your mind is linked to your purpose and that stress is caused when your hierarchy of IRs is fragmented in your working memory.

from Learn NLP - WorldOfNLP.com

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Resolving Internal Conflicts

Category: Therapeutic Approaches, Techniques, Values | 2 Comments

Internal conflicts are a common ‘ailment’ that people experience. I tend to think of this as an inner voice that says “you haven’t paid attention to what I need”. So we build up these fragments until they start hurting.

We could possibly identify them by paying attention to symptoms such as pain, dilemmas and the like. They are signals to a conflict. Most likely, you will want to resolve them in order to release the energy that was spent on it. Once this happens, you will find a very powerful release of energy that makes you relieved and possibly more energized.

Inner conflicts require an integration. In NLP, there is a process known as parts integration, or a visual squash technique. Utilizing the Milton Model, you chunk up to the highest intention that each part has and then merge them once there is a common set of values.

Of course the challenge is in finding the matching values. We all know that chunking up will lead to higher values, but let’s consider that it’s not always the case. Sometimes, I find recursive chunking. This is endless. So I have to force the issue sometimes by building complex equivalences within my language to create a connection between one thing and another in order for the parts to integrate.

Rather than describe it, I think I should do up a demonstration video if the time permits. In the meantime, Parts Integration can be done on yourself. You need to recognize and reconcile the conflicts through the assessment of your values and how they match.

Step 1 - identify the part that is creating the conflict
Step 2 - identify the part that is in greatest conflict with the first part
Step 3 - name the parts and assess their physical characteristics
Step 4 - pick one part and assess the purpose of its being.
Step 5 - chunk upward to as high a chunk as necessary
Step 6 - chunk up on the next part to a level that converges with the chunk level in step 5.
Step 7 - proceed with integration

So in my language, highest intention is the highest order IRs or life goals or life purpose.

And the process of mering them is.... well say you have a huge to do list and that you feel stressed when you look at it. They all seem to be totally unrelated. And you have no motivation at all to do them. Well, to make the stress go away, with each item in the to do list, conciously in your mind link them.

For example, on of my items on my life out line (basically my to do list) is to
"download all the course work" I look at this and it seems totally pointless and it would take lots of energy to bring myself to actually doing this. But I find motivation by thinking and linking it to my highest goals like this:
"download all the course work, so i get credit for my study abroad courses, so I can et my transcript down in time, so I can work at my internship during the summer, that internship will let me have time in the evening to plan how to make my escape, so that I can become wealthy, so that I can be free to create organized conciousness"

And if I don't have motivation to do a certain item, then I do this process. That way my hierarchy is whole, there are not random things that I do that are not linked to it. There I keep constant motivation to doing them. Also it is a constant reminder for me to do things that keep me on my path to my life goals.

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03-30-2007, 06:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
Sunnybayes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 322	"the way a parent considers the way they (do or desire to) control their child." Yup, that's exactly what I'm going for. And stuff like "may be unnecessary just as control of a rose bush is." and "allowed to bear its fruit for the benefit of everyone." is what I am trying to get away from. It sounds vague. Yup, it sounds nice and fancy, and makes you feel all good and tingly inside to read it (I'll be able to explain my idea of why that happens later), but it is hard to know how to apply the advice in a discrete way, unless you can personally relate with what she is saying. Sometimes you just can't relate with what she is saying because you have not experienced the same things as she has and so it is would be hard to know how to apply it to make progress. For example, I've never taken care of a rose bush so I'd have no clue what "may be unnecessary just as control of a rose bush is." means. What I'm trying to create is something that anyone can relate too, regardless of past experiences, because everyone has a body and emotions and internal sense of feeling. I am separate from my mind. I am consciousness. My mind is like another limb of me. My mind surrounds me. I tell my mind what to do so it can tell my body what to do. My emotions are not me. My emotions are just like the gauges on an engine. They are caused by the ancient brain. My emotions are going to happen when I (consciousness) focus myself on some type of sensory input and then my emotional circuitry decides if something in that sensory information applies and so fires the correct emotion. I get to decide if I want to listen to those warning signals, and then I (conciousness) focus myself away from those signals if they are causing me to make bad thoughts. Or if I want to feel happy then I know which emotions to shut off and what sensory information to focus on. My thalamus of my brain directs where I am focused to, or wait, do I control where my thalamus points myself to, or maybe some kinda feedback, or does the thalamus decide what to send to me so that I (conciousness) look at it? Okay so there's where the argument of free will comes in. I don't know if I have free will or not. I mean I feel like I have my own free will, but then again I might just be controlled by some genetic algorithm caused by evolution, I might just be a biological robot. And I think quantum randomness just gives myself the illusion of free will. But you know, I don't really care. Last edited by Sunnybayes; 05-27-2007 at 04:46 PM.

04-02-2007, 02:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Sunnybayes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 322	6.) Summary of how high conciousness happens and basically everything Before you read this part, be sure to have read everything before this post in this thread, because I build off of ideas represented there. including the idea "IRs" = Invariant Representations. And currently this is really really dense, I'll have to uncondense it later, but I just wanted to get this all out so I would not forget it. And I'll be able to explain accessing higher consciousness here soon, basically it means just having your thalamus focus your conciousness at the top of the heirachy and not letting IRs form/settle/harden at the top of it up there, because you constantly keep your conciousness on it, (focusing your conciousness on an IR keeps that IR open to being reprogrammed, and then when your consciousness is focused away from that IR then that IR can settle down into the subconscious so that it becomes an automatic skill/habit ) so you don't form habits (habits=IR=skills) which control your overall behavior at that higher level, so that you prevent yourself from being influenced by the external environment without your awareness, so that for example, you can always keep your cool if someone is trying to scare/intimidate you, or you can always be aware if a new ping of fear comes in, or that you can instantly make yourself happy because being happy is caused when you have all the IRs alligned in your brain to handle all input/sensory information, because pleasure happens in your brain when existing IRs are strengthened or created, because creating new IRs means that you will be able to survive better, because you can predict your environment better, and so your brain wants to reward you for being able to survive better, because that's evolution baby, and that's why you become board, because there is a lack of pleasure that was once there, because you no longer need to create new IRs because you've already formed all the IRs that you'd ever need to handle all situations, so that's why your favorite song finally gets old, that new video game just gets too boring, and why my friend's favorite quote on facebook says "You have to play a game you can't win no matter how hard you try. This moment is the only thing that matters." and why you're always going to want more crap, unless you can figure out a hobby, like starting a business, that can always build on the lower order IRs, but can always get more and more complex and never repetitive, instead of getting some stable easy job, but not too crazy though, because if it is too chaotic, then the situations would be totally different and your brain has to waste energy in creating totally new IRs constantly, because there are no lower order IRs to build off of, because they do not generalize to the new situation, so that it just becomes too stressful and it really starts to hurt, which is why i'm going to continue to write this instead of working on my Asian language paper, because that totally has nothing to do with this stuff, and would take waaayyy to much energy to focus on write now, and would totally screw up this streak here, And that's why I'm getting that burst of pleasure that happens when that light bulb goes off in your head, is because you've finally created that higher order IR (= Brilliant Idea), that merges all your lower order IRs (thoughts) into something coherent which just makes everything click awesome eh? Last edited by Sunnybayes; 04-18-2007 at 04:33 PM.

04-03-2007, 01:50 AM	#11 (permalink)
Sunnybayes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 322	Thanks for the feedback!!!!! Does not really count, but until I return just google "thalamus directs attention" "It also doesn't explain the hard problem even a bit." I remeber this really awesome post that I found on the On Intelligence forums, I'll find it, when I return. And yea, it does not "explain the hard problem even a bit." I'm still trying to figure that one out also. Yea, I agree. I have those points as the 2nd next things to clear up, as soon as I return from my travels in about 8 days. And yes a blog would be useful too. I intend too, but I have never done a blog, though I imagine it is a very easy thing to set up. But at least this way I get out some information out and to make a splash to at least get a little feedback. I started this thread to make it more like a progress thread like others have done, but then I thought it would be a bit more useful if I just made it all more structured so the reader could get more out of it. And I found out that I have tons more that I wanted to say than I originally thought that I would. oh well. Don't rip it up too hard , or do, that way I'd have a little better direction of what to explain next ... Cheers until I return! . Last edited by Sunnybayes; 04-03-2007 at 02:39 AM.

04-03-2007, 05:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
Sunnybayes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 322	Why I'm putting this all into a thread for now Thanks for your reply also! That's another reason why I made a thread like this, to see if anyone has heard about any other similar ideas about it, that way I can take those ideas, and rehash it into my model. Will defiantly check it out. But yea, a blog will defiantly be cool. But till then, I'm just going to keep writing post and then editing the very top post to keep them all glued together. Then that would have exactly the same effect as if I just posted them somewhere else on the internet, and then just made a new link here in this thread. So the benefit of this method is that there is easy navigation provided by the table of contents at the very top thread, and then after I write in a new section, people can write any discussion here. And I wont have to worry about generating traffic to my website or whatever, or until I at least figure out exactly what the whole blogging world itself entails, and I don't want to currently think about that because it would distract me from the ideas about the framework i'm trying to hash out. just going to focus on one thing at a time. Then if it really does start to get unwieldy, something like what's happening to the PATHS results page, then I'd have fulfilled my immediate goal that I've written enough details into the framework that I know that people actually see some value into it and are open to discussing it, and are likely to give me some good pointers to reaching my goal. Another thing, I feel like I can get away with my crazy writing style, because if it were in a blog then I think I would be worrying too much about presentation, which is perhaps something that I should be doing, but now I'm more worrying about trying to get my thoughts out into something more discrete. And its much more motivating if you know that other people are actually looking at what you're writing... But basically I'm using this thread more as a nice brainstorming session, blend. Just remember that this framework is quite new and still a work in progress, I've been internally and subconsciously thinking about all these thoughts, but this is the first time that I am trying to define it into something really discrete. Then what I'll do is extract everything that I've written here and then rehash it into a new blog or web page. But I'm not going to worry about that now, or for another two weeks or month or so. Because I don't want to waste my effort in a blog if something already exists out there that basically covers the exact things that I'm saying. Last edited by Sunnybayes; 04-23-2007 at 07:09 AM.

03-30-2007, 05:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
Royce_aus Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 50	control of the mind may be unnecessary just as control of a rose bush is. A position that i take is that the mind should be properly taken care of, well nutrition-ed with food, and nourished with information that is so readily seeks, allowed to bear its fruit for the benefit of everyone. Although i would not say do not attempt to control it but perhaps consider the concept of control. the way a parent considers the way they (do or desire to) control their child.

04-01-2007, 09:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sworn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 111	Keep doing what you're doing man By now I read the whole thing and its also greatly written and everything It's great on how it helps me focussing on focussing. I just finished practicing the power of now by Eckhart Tolle and its funny reading it really forces you to think about your thinking and thus, according to Eckhart Tolle, accessing higher consciousness. What type of relationship stuff did you get into, BTW? This is a blog I'm currently checking out and liking it The Reality Method

04-03-2007, 05:38 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mark Lapierre Family Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,061	I think it's great that you're putting so much thought into this, and looking to improve your own understanding and help others do the same. Have you checked out dirtsimple.org? The lack of structure in your posts, and the combination of details explanations and "stream of thought" writing, neither of which have been written concisely, make it difficult to get a good picture of what you're saying, though I believe I understand the subject matter, and I believe that Phillip over at dirtsimple has said similar things. His latest post talks about "rooms in the mind" which seems like an analogy for IRs. And the creation of new "doorways" in those "rooms" is like establishing a very particular link between IRs. In other articles, which I can find a link to if necessary, he goes into more detail about the links between thoughts, feelings, sensations, and emotions. He also makes a clear distinction between the "you" that thinks, and the "you" that actually does stuff. All the articles listed in the "Popular articles" section are good. I like Phillip's style of writing, because even though there's a lot of text to read, he tells a story while providing information. And it's all broken up in a way that makes it easy to digest in little chucks. Perhaps the information you've presented here could benefit more by being broken down into smaller bites, and made more concise, before trying to explain anything in any greater depth. It seems there's already plenty of depth there, it's just a little inaccessible at the moment. As Brutha said, this is the wrong medium for this material. The problem is that this is a discussion format, and discussions are almost never linear, or well cross-referenced, and that's two things that are needed to more effectively digest a large amount of info. Ideally you'd write a series of essays, post them on a separate website, either static html or a blog, and link here for further discussion. You seem really motivated, so I'm sure my constructive criticism won't faze you

04-03-2007, 06:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
alpha372 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 22	TO: Sunnybayes Sunnybayes: I love your thread! If it were organized into a book I would buy it! I love the way you keep most of the big words out, and just sorta spew things out as they come. However, as I said, I wish it were organized into book form so that I could get even more use out of it.

04-03-2007, 06:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
alpha372 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 22	Sunnybayes: I'm glad that you like the feedback that others are giving you. However, please don't feel like you have to justify your existance to anyone that has anything to say. I just feel like your wasting a lot of time doing that!

04-03-2007, 06:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
alpha372 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 22	sunnybayes: Suggestions: It would be really cool, if in the future, you could make links that define the big words you use. Like, what is PD? I skipped over the definition of hippo-blah without realizing it, so it would be cool if I could just tap that word and have it lead to a defintion...if possible. Question: I have a hard time with motivation. I find that I relate to everything you are saying about procrastination. Especially, the story about having to switch to doing a silly paper after really focusing on getting a girlfriend. I want you to apply your knowledge to my situation: My situation is this: I have a two year old son. I have a big house to clean. I am taking a linear algebra college course. I have a hard time finding balance!! How do I motivate myself to study linear algebra. The hardest thing for me to do is to do review, it's kinda boring. How do I get into it, as you said, or how do I "make it fun."

04-03-2007, 07:18 PM	#17 (permalink)
alpha372 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 22	How to get a girlfriend-- how to keep one So, you want a girlfriend. Well, you could get one from the same site I did: Hotornot.com Opportunity cost: You have to spend time writting back and forth Solution: Find a girlfriend with the same interest and goals as yourself. This way, you can write back and forth about the things that matter to the both of you. So you want to attract women: Warning: It's a big opportunity cost to attract the wrong kind of women. You will spend lots of time with someone who will try to change you and it won't work out anyway, so what's the piont? Solution Make sure you know who you are. 1) what do you spend most of your time doing? Don't do anything that will attract women who don't spend time doing the same thing. ex: Don't dress like you have money if you don't. You will attract women who like to spend time shopping. Don't wear business attire. If you just want to have sex and no girlfriend: 1) Dress like you have money 2)stand up straight when you walk-- a girl likes a man with confidence 3) smile -- it makes you seem confident and fun 4) learn how to flirt -- a girl likes to be told that she is beautiful 5) learn how to make the first move with confidence, without being gross about it. a) must share a laugh together before you make a move a1) this requires a date that will evoke happiness a2) I've heard that movie then dinner is best way to get convo going. My advice Go for getting a girlfriend instead of just sex. Then you won't have to prentend to be someone your not. When trying to get a girlfriend, never prented to be something you aren't: ex: don't pretend to be neat and clean if you aren't. You will attract someone who is neat and clean, which will lead to fights further down the road. Ask yourself: what kind of girl you want to attract, and become that yourself. If you want to have a well dressed girlfriend, dress well yourself. If you want to have a girl with a good vocab, make sure you have one yourself. If you want a "hot babe" make sure you're a "hot babe" too. Don't tell a girl that you're an inventor when you come home from work and watch tv all night. bottom line: Don't do anything that will attract someone who is not good for you. It will be stressful and a big big waste of time! Last edited by alpha372; 04-04-2007 at 02:21 AM.

04-04-2007, 12:58 AM	#18 (permalink)
alpha372 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 22	The reality method I just read the link for "the reality method", and I must say, that as a girl, it is pretty good advice for arousal. Yes, it is true that you have to somehow implant the idea of intimacy into our minds before you actually make any moves, or get us thinking about it which can be done in numerous ways. I like that he mentions to tickle before kissing. Because a guy play wrestling with you and getting you to laugh is a good way of going about it.Don't ask the girl what is a turn on to her. A girl wants to know that you pay enough attention to her that you can figure it out yourself. Try different methods, see which one works. If one doesn't work out, don't give up and say, "it's useless, she doesn't like me." You're just probably approaching it the wrong way. I'm insulted by his method of "I have to see if you are any good at sex first." But when it comes down to it, if all you care about is sex, then you should definately let potential mates know your intentions. I still say,just stay away from girls period, until one just comes along that naturally fits into your life style. Relationships that aren't formed between two people with a lot of common ground ,are just a big pain in the ass. If you want intimacy, be intiment with the right person. Last edited by alpha372; 04-04-2007 at 02:18 AM.

04-06-2007, 04:10 AM	#19 (permalink)
Liara Covert Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 584	"If you want intimacy, be intimate with the right person." Good advice alpha372. In order to find the 'right person,' you become more effective (improve your track record) if you know yourself well and take time to explore the compatibility and priorities of the prospective partner. Last edited by Liara Covert; 05-24-2007 at 11:21 AM.

04-16-2007, 09:10 AM	#20 (permalink)
Sworn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 111	Hey Alpha 327 I agree with liara great advice and (im gonna sound pretty arrogant and sexist here) especially for a woman. 4) learn how to flirt -- a girl likes to be told that she is beautiful If that's flirting, I can play guitar with my omelet Its true though. Its all in the way you say a woman is beautiful. Most guys will interpret this like it's ok to suck up to a woman and tell her she's beatiful in a very needy and approval seeking way. So it's all about subcommunication really A lot of women will give you advice based and what they think SHOULD work morally but actually causes them to run away as fast as they can at the end of the day. But yes of course women do like a confident man. Yes being honest and authentic is very powerful. Yes being yourself is very attractive. Yet it's a lot easier said than done when you're not a confident guy, introverted, fearful etc... What will guys who have proplems with women and can't get laid by hotties have going Here's a guy who has trouble getting laid and is authentic - like I used to be and still am for a great part: "Well you know I like to play a lot of videogames and surf the internet and like to chill" while he stares off into the distance. If you want to date girls casually and have sex with them and they're in for the same thing, why not? yada yada yada,.... None of what I say are my own ideas but other people have figured this out. I can backup all the above with real life experience though. Fast Seduction 101: Art of Pick-up and Seduction (where this whole nightmare kind of took flight) read dynamic sex life by gunwitch double your dating david d wont hurt I guess IDEAGASMS Free Newsletter Offer Real Social Dynamics (tyler durden's articles are just brutal) just off the top of my head

04-16-2007, 09:37 AM	#21 (permalink)
Sunnybayes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 322	Lol, hey guys.... lets keep this kind of stuff in the relationship forum. but hey, thanks for the resources. I've been studying those resources since new years actually. it was a post by Wulfen... in response to songwriter who pointed me in that direction by his awesome posts here in these forums. Its been awesome here in Hong Kong, because I've had the chance to go out clubbing 2 times a week. But I'm taking it easy now. I've reach the point that I'm confident now. It was awesome, last time I went to a club, a pack of girls came to the pack of guys I was with because of mutal friends. I just introduced myself, totally saw that all the girls we giving me signs of attraction through their body language... almost instantaneous... I applied some of juggler's stuff... worked like a charm. Had this hot girl wanting to dance and grind with me in like 5 minutes, but I ended up displaying too much value to her... so she wanted to be my girl friend. You should have seen the looks on my friends' faces, they looked jealous sitting out there on the side while I has having fun alone on the dance floor with this awesomely hot/cute girl. She wanted to see me again, but I'd told her that she'd probably never see me again after a month (because studying abroad is ending) and that I really did not want to hurt her to have her miss me. If I was an AFC I'd totally think she'd be the only thing I'd have going and somehow be a sucker into trying to do a long distance relationship. but I know I can get another cute girl like that when I get back home if I want. I made that realization. So I figure since I'd had that much success in making relationship stuff work out, then I'd figure it would pay off enormously if I applied all that into something like making money, finding direction, and just developing myself in general. Although I've made lots of progress in the relationship stuff I'm shifting my focus on AI. and since working on AI means figuring out the mind, then that means I'd have lots to contribute to personal development. And hence this thread... which I am intending to update with new theories about conciousness and just how to get direction. So now, I'm going to spend the next 4 months putting all that effort into getting better direction in my life so I know how to focus and apply my energies. Perhaps I'll see if I can generalize this the ory I'm working on so that it can explain what goes behind in social interactions and things like that. Last edited by Sunnybayes; 04-20-2007 at 06:52 AM.

04-16-2007, 11:33 AM	#22 (permalink)
Sunnybayes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 322	News/Updates HEHEHE.... yea I should get a blog[added to my to do list... check]. Oh well. Here's to this post anyway Am I afraid... no. Have I define what it entails. No. Would I rather just think for now and not care about traffic... yes. Would it take about 6 minutes to set up... probably... but it seems like a 5 hour adventure. I have finals this week... 5 hours is lots of time. HEY ITS MY THREAD ANYWAY!!!! 5-6-07 I don't actually use this post anymore... I just keep it all at the top. 4-19-07 Made link to "We all have the same goal" 4-18-07 Added two post. "Translated words and phrases and also "translated quotes 1" 4-16-07 Added news Last edited by Sunnybayes; 05-06-2007 at 09:35 AM.

04-16-2007, 10:24 PM	#23 (permalink)
Sworn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 111	awesome sunnybayes you got the brains to back up to become really good and natural at the relationship stuff. Great to hear you got into Juggler. I love his philosophy and method im on the outlook of a new post of yours cheerio Last edited by Sworn; 04-16-2007 at 10:25 PM. Reason: added the word "to" :)

04-18-2007, 09:40 AM	#24 (permalink)
Sunnybayes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 322	Translated words and phrases 1 This is a working list of abstract words, that I've come across that I wanted to translate into my model. As always, a work in progress. Some of it is speculation... but grounded to reality through my experience. As I think about it more, it will become more consistent, plausible and able to make better predictions about behavior. My real motivation for me is to define some concepts that I can use in programming artificial intelligence. some parts missing currently... Bolded words have definitions in here IRs = invariant representations, defined here IRs = goals = vision = subgoal of biologically built in human goals = habit = Invariant Representation. A goal becomes action when its sub IRs are defined enough that they become linked to the IRs that control physical movement, and then the consciousness has pointed its attention to that root of that goal to run that brand new IR that has been created. These are created in your subconscious. They run automatically subconsciously when your conciousnesspoints to them. GOAL: An IR that has not had its sub IRs defined yet. Visualizing/thinking is the process of creating those sub IRs. Hope (see below) is the driving force to reach this goal, or implement this goal, or follow it to realization. MOTIVATION: Feeling that occurs in brain when a higher order goal/IR/plans has been reinforced with sub goals/IRs/plans. After this feeling happens, then your subconscious has been trained and it becomes easy and automatic. Like the feeling of lightbulb that goes off in your head after you've finally thought of that awesome idea that just makes everything make sense, like "wow! that's awesome" ATTENTION: Where your conciousness is focused = the pathways that are opened up the hierarchy. The pathways are like the branches of the tree of the hierarchy. The pathways that are open determine what sensory information is bothered to be dealt with. There is a pathway from the lowest levels IRs where the sensory information comes into all the way up to where your conciousness converges into "I", to make you aware. When "energy"(not defined yet) flows up the hierarchy then "you" are concious of that "thought" or feeling, and when it flows down, then an action is created, like thinking a new thought, or moving your legs. FOCUS: what you attention in on, OR the process of going through the transition to shift your attention, OR"he has the focus to get it done" = motivation, OR already having your hierarchy configured so that the right pathways are open so that the goal or skill needed is automatic. CONSCIOUSNESS: Different meanings right now. "I" = organized conciousness of atoms converged at the top level of the hierarchy in the cortex. The "thing" [maybe thalamus, maybe reticular activating system] that directs your attention. Everything is concious, but maybe only human have free will to direct attention. The "thing" that programs your cortex so you can learn new things. I'm beginning to think that free will is much more limited because I think that even our thinking is guided by thinking patterns. HIGH CONSCIOUSNESS: not letting habits form at the highest levels of you cortex hierarchy, by keeping your attention there. But it is a struggle, because I think there is an IR that controls the patterns of how your attention/conciousness is focus, so breaking that pattern of being low conciousness is difficult. [yea that seems like round about logic...] BOREDOM: "This game is boring!!" Well it was fun when you first played it. This happens when the IRs of your subconscious become so good that it is able to handle all the sensory information that the situation provides, so you brain is no longer giving you pleasure from creating new IRs, because it does not need any more, because all the patterns have been explained. And so that video game is just too easy too beat.... time to buy a new game. Or perhaps boredom happens when the sensory information coming in just does not match you attention. STRESS: Caused when you have several fragmented IRs trees in your cortex that dont have a common root. This means you are handling too many situations that are not related. So you constantly have to spend the energy to make the transitions in each situation. Way to combat is to have hope and high conciousness so you dont have to expend the energy required to switch between the situations. brainstorming = visualizing = thinking = affirmations = Creating higher order IRs based on your thoughts to either run a simulation of your goals, or to create new goals, or to make prediction. SUBCONSCIOUS: all IRs of your cortex that are not being programed/inspected by your conciousness. It is intelligent like computer hardware, smart but not concious. It is extremely powerful because it runs automatically. It is programmed by your conciousness, during any type of learning, like learning vocab words, learning how to play golf. All your conciousness has to do it to point itself to the root of the needed IR already programmed, then it is run automatically from there. CORTEX: same as subconscious, neural cortex. HIERARCHY The way I use it elsewhere sub means the IRs of your cortex and the way they are connected, basically your subconsciousness. Made up of pathways. HOPE: highest level pattern that keeps you seeking stimulation. "I hope that some day things will get better, so that's the reason I justify keeping my mental habits the same, because I think that they'll eventually form the IRs themselves that will allow me to reach that goal. "Even though you dont know why you are doing this... just do it because of hope". I see this as what makes delayed gratification possible. OR Hope = reason/way to keep your attention/conciousness on your higher order IRs so that you remain high concious so you are able to deal with several non related situations so that you can easily make the transitions between those situations. OR keeping your mind open (not low concious) OR the acknowledgment that the high order IRs is there or wanted, but the sub IRs have not been made. DELAYED GRATIFICATION:Acknowledgment that you have a goal and its sub goals = sub IRs have not been created yet, but you know that you'll have lots of HAPPINESS: A balance achieved when your IRs of your mind can handle all situations of your life, but provides just enough original experiences such that new IRs can be created. Basically a balance between boredom and stress. Has to do with having all the other built in goals satisfied like being social, having sex, being fed. Way to reach it? Have a really strongly defined top IR so that everything you do can link onto it, therefore every situation thrown at you fits nicely into your hierarchy, so TRANSITION This is the process of creating new habits and IRs that can handle new sensory information of any new experience. There is pain caused because it takes energy to create new IRs. This is what makes focusing on anything hard if it is new. This is why Steve Pavlina's 30 trial is useful, because it gives you hope that the pain will not stay and that you can end it. But that the pain of transition goes away after you have spent the energy to SENSORY INFORMAION-This comes from your senses like site, hearing, touch, taste, and also all of your internal feelings. I'm not sure yet if I should define this to include the feelings of emotions yet. Pattern - All sensory information comes in as an electrical pulse that varies over time. Like each pixel of light that comes in though your eyes, or the pressure on your eardrum when you hear something is a pattern of electric signals. What an IR does is that if sensory information flows up into it, (up the pathways) then it "names" that pattern with a label, and then sends it up the hierarchy/ pathway to its parent IR, so that its parent IR deals with less information. When an IR receives information from its parent IR, down the pathway, that parent IRs just says that one label and then the child IR, looks it up, and then replays that pattern to its children IRs. SO that how your thought/goal of "go buy food" is translated into all your physical actions of actually getting to the store, as the conciousness points to "go buy food", and then is turned to action as it propagates down your hierarchy. Also, listen to Steve's podcast on patterns. HABIT: A Pattern that is high up in your hierarchy. Therefore, habits are hard to break if you don't have high conciousness, first, because the are subconscious, and second because you have to do a transition to shift your focus for your conciousness to program in your subconscious a new habit.[still thinking] FEAR: When your conciousness focuses on an IR in your hierarchy that is too many missing sub IRs. The fear of the unknown. It causes you to become paralyzed forcing you to learn about the unknown things, such as if you see a predator that you've never seen, height so high that nothing is recognizable in the familiar way, or if you fear wealth because you'd have no clue what it would be like. Fill in those sub IRs in your favorite way. Last edited by Sunnybayes; 04-21-2007 at 06:36 AM.

04-29-2007, 05:01 PM	#28 (permalink)
Sunnybayes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 322	Lol "likes the taste of ugly", hehe. Looks barely matter. but anyway. Just noticed that I have a huge energy sink after eating a big meal, and I start getting depressed over nothing. But of course, not a major depression, just feel sad all of the sudden. But that's just because my stomach eats up all my energy and so my mind becomes depressed. Okay, so I'll have to make a good habit of eating small snacks throughout the day. And I'm going to spend the summer installing the habit of being vegan. Last edited by Sunnybayes; 04-29-2007 at 06:05 PM.

04-30-2007, 05:26 AM	#29 (permalink)
Sunnybayes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 322	Been very productive in the last week. Planning an hour day is really paying off. I've been able to get all the random stuff of life taken care of very well. But its all the stuff that needs to be done, but is not really related to each other. For example, cleaning up my room, exercising, working on another paper, filling out applications, doing errands, and just planning using FreeMind and making my life outline (basically just a calendar implemented as a mind map where I can manage long term goals with short term actions, like Steve does with Action Outline) and reading stuff. But I noticed that I've started to feel negative in the last day or so, just kinda angry. Though at nothing (or everything if I let myself think verbally for an extended period see Silent Thoughts ). And nothing seems to have caused it. But if I believe my model that I've hashed out, then its because, hehe... I've fragmented my hierarchy by blasting through all that unrelated stuff that needs to be done. Yes I feel good to myself that I've been able to make lots of progress on getting things taken care of. But following my schedule has made me go through constant transistions(see transitions post) of doing something totally unrelated every 30 minutes or so. I've been able to keep up my motivation for doing them by constantly reminding myself of my highest level goals, reminding myself of how each of these activities links into my highest level goals, better described in these post, How to stay better discipline?, Sunnybayes' interpretation. This keeps each tasks that I need to do attached to the hierarchy that is the source of my motivation. The motivation is there to plug through, but the negative mood needs to go away. So I can think of two ways to do this. Make myself do less transitions by sticking to one thing for like 5 hours or so until it is done, like Steve describes in Do It Now, or busting out with being in a state of higher concious. I'm going to try out the second way for the next several days to see if I can learn to deal better with constant change, and not be stress out (though I'm not really stressed, I just have a negative mood), and be in a positive mood. If that does not work, then I'll just have to stick with one task longer until completion. Ultimately I'd think that sticking to one task would always be more productive, though in case I have a temporary job that forces me to juggle several unrelated things, then I'd know I could handle it this way. But basically, the way I define being higher concious is actually pretty simple. Summed up in a sentence... just keeping focused on the feeling at the highest part of the hierarchy... inside my head feeling it is behind my eyes around my nose, and then behind that... then higher still, you are know you are doing it right if you feel like it pulls you out of the current situation. I should work on explaining this better. I've also found some other sources on the internet that describe what I mean by linking goals to the hierarchy. Last edited by Sunnybayes; 05-09-2007 at 10:10 AM.

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