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Old 11-03-2010, 12:58 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I wondered that myself earlier. I think there is some denial there, my personal oppinion, and a desire to be a spokesperson who receives lots of praise for helping others and a sense of being valued for that...nothing wrong with that, of course, as long as the person in that position knows where he/she stands amongst it all...as a person who has an eating disorder.
OK, I noticed it too. She talked about how she has not been able to lose weight when she really shouldn't lose weight, right?
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:59 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Of course I do and I talked about something completely different.

Will this decrease her chances of a successful website? Very likely. But to say that she shouldn't start it (which was the impression I got from most of you) is hypocrite. Do I make sense?
Not really!

How are we hypocrites for giving our honest oppinions about this idea, given that we have all known RR since she first joined this forum and have watched her issues unfold? Are you sure you got the right word there...and it's meaning?

I certainly am not saying don't go for it...and I don't think anyone else here is either, though that may be YOUR perception of it!
Her idea has caused a few of us to go "Huh" but that doesn't mean anyone is saying "You will fail, don't try".

I think when you endeavour to head out into the world of business, it's a wise thing to take other peoples observations and thoughts on board to a certain degree. Giving honest feedback isn't the same as being "negative" which you seem to be insinuating here.

Being positive is all well and good...and being REALISTIC is also good I personally don't know that RR is balanced enough at this stage...that's my oppinion. That doesn't mean that she won't be, ever, of course she will, but right now I think it would be wiser to spend the time spent on building a website, better spent in balancing herself out and becoming healthier...which she is every day.

I guess in the end, it's up to RR and whether she feels ready and balanced enough to start this venture!

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Not really!

How are we hypocrites for giving our honest oppinions about this idea, given that we have all known RR since she first joined this forum and have watched her issues unfold?

I certainly am not saying don't go for it...and I don't think anyone else here is either, though that may be YOUR perception of it!
Her idea has caused a few of us to go "Huh" but that doesn't mean anyone is saying "You will fail, don't try".

I think when you endeavour to head out into the world of business, it's a wise thing to take other peoples observations and thoughts on board to a certain degree. Giving honest feedback isn't the same as being "negative" which you seem to be insinuating here.

Being positive is all well and good...and being REALISTIC is also good
OK, good. I just didn't like the whole idea that you should not preach what you're not expert at. What are your thoughts on this?

I didn't really try to insinuate here, just to say that she might even benefit from that experience. Perhaps other people would cheer for her and help her get on the right path?
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OK, I noticed it too. She talked about how she has not been able to lose weight when she really shouldn't lose weight, right?
I don't get what you mean here
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OK, good. I just didn't like the whole idea that you should not preach what you're not expert at. What are your thoughts on this?

I didn't really try to insinuate here, just to say that she might even benefit from that experience. Perhaps other people would cheer for her and help her get on the right path?
What exactly am I, or anyone else here, preaching about? I don't see ANY evidence of what you have suggested here?

I have not said anything about her going through with this idea or not. Where have any of us said that? I think you are seeing stuff that just isn't there compadre.

Can't you see that giving honest feedback is just as good a way to "cheer someone onto the right path". If we were to just say "yeah, go for it...you will be loved and they will all listen to you no probs" then that isn't really preparing her, in a real way for what it will be like "in the real world"! That's actually not in her best interests at all...though it is a "nice" gesture on your part.

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I don't get what you mean here
OK, I've probably comprehended this whole thing completely falsely.
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OK, I've probably comprehended this whole thing completely falsely.
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OK, I noticed it too. She talked about how she has not been able to lose weight when she really shouldn't lose weight, right?
To me, it's the matter-of-fact nature in which she talks about losing weight in very unhealthy ways. Of course, a lot of this is based on some of her other threads and not just from this thread.
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What exactly am I, or anyone else here, preaching about? I don't see ANY evidence of what you have suggested here?

I have not said anything about her going through with this idea or not. Where have any of us said that? I think you are seeing stuff that just isn't there compadre.

Can't you see that giving honest feedback is just as good a way to "cheer someone onto the right path". If we were to just say "yeah, go for it...you will be loved and they will all listen to you no probs" then that isn't really preparing her, in a real way for what it will be like "in the real world"! That's actually not in her best interests at all...though it is a "nice" gesture on your part.
Constructive criticism is definitely a good thing, don't get me wrong.

What I talked about is this quote: "How can you teach others to be achieve weight loss when you haven't found a healthy balance yet? " This is saying that you really shouldn't talk about something that you haven't mastered yet. This is what I was against. Sorry if I intended it at you.
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Constructive criticism is definitely a good thing, don't get me wrong.

What I talked about is this quote: "How can you teach others to be achieve weight loss when you haven't found a healthy balance yet? " This is saying that you really shouldn't talk about something that you haven't mastered yet. This is what I was against. Sorry if I intended it at you.
Ok. Well, that was Weena who said that, and, when I read it, I didn't pick up on any sort of negative vibe or otherwise naysaying...I thought weena made a pretty relevant point infact. Your interpretation of what she said is yours only. I did not interpret it the way you did...at all. Weena is the only one who can tell you what was meant by that comment.

I've already outlined why I think this feedback is helpful, so I'm not gonna repeat myself. If you are interested, you can scroll back to some of my other posts and read why I think it makes more sense that RR overcomes her situation before setting about this endeavour. That's not to say she HAS to, of course not...just that, in my oppinion, and others here as well, she might be better off and attract a crowd who can look up to her as someone who beat it and is where they all want to be...a source of inspiration!

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Ok. Well, that was Weena who said that, and, when I read it, I didn't pick up on any sort of negative vibe or otherwise naysaying...I thought weena made a pretty relevant point infact. Your interpretation of what she said is yours only. I did not interpret it the way you did...at all. Weena is the only one who can tell you what was meant by that comment.

I've already outlined why I think this feedback is helpful, so I'm not gonna repeat myself. If you are interested, you can scroll back to some of my other posts and read why I think it makes more sense that RR overcomes her situation before setting about this endeavour. That's not to say she HAS to, of course not...just that, in my oppinion, and others here as well, she might be better off and attract a crowd who can look up to her as someone who beat it and is where they all want to be...a source of inspiration!
I didn't say she was negative. I'll say again: you don't have to be an expert to say or do something. That's just my point.
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Dear roxy,

I just looked at your pictures, and you do look great now, but I think your before pictures are great too!

Anyway, what are you building this site for, primarily, who are you writing it to, and where will you find them?

If this is mainly aimed at making money, I would recommend not making a weight-loss blog. Also, I do not recommend you use any of the names you suggested. They are generic, nothing to know what it's about apart from it's a weight loss blog. Compare slimandsexy with eatonlyapplesfortendays. Obviously, don't make a site about eating apples for ten days, but you see what I mean. The former is done and dusted, the latter makes you think "No way, I gotta see this."

Competition on general weight-loss sites is massive, and the effort needed to muscle in would probably not be worth the return. So you could try narrowing down the niche: weight loss in Brisbane, weight loss for Virgos, or make it about one specific eating disorder. You get the idea. In any case, check out the competition when you narrow down to a niche. Get back with some ideas if you want, so we can all discuss them with you.

However, if the blog is aimed not at making money or building a following, then what? Are you looking to inspire and help? Are you writing it more for your own purposes, not really caring who reads it? These things matter, and can help guide your choice of name too.
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I didn't say she was negative. I'll say again: you don't have to be an expert to say or do something. That's just my point.
No you don't. And where did Weena actually say this? I think you may have interpreted her comment in a way that was not how it was intended, IMO?

In any case, once again this thread has derailed about a mile and a half from where it started. I don't think RR asked any of us for our oppinion on whether her idea would be a success or not, or whether she is qualified...only for help finding a name...so maybe we can get back on topic after all this eh?

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No you don't. And where did Weena actually say this? I think you may have interpreted her comment in a way that was not how it was intended, IMO?

In any case, once again this thread has derailed about a mile and a half from where it started. I don't think RR asked any of us for our oppinion on whether her idea would be a success or not, or whether she is qualified...only for help finding a name...so maybe we can get back on topic after all this eh?
I wasn't the only one who interpreted it that way, so...

But yes, I'll stop talking about it.
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I think a huge part of weight loss and defeating eating disorders is becoming happy with yourself the way you are. It'd be interesting as a journal but I wouldn't agree with an authoritative website quite yet.
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I wasn't the only one who interpreted it that way, so...

But yes, I'll stop talking about it.
Ok. Yours is the only post I read that did...maybe I skipped over it or scrolled past it too fast? I didn't see anyone else say they read it that way is all?

I would like to stop talking about it also...it wasn't just directed at you there
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Perhaps she's going to talk about her journey and teach other people what she has found helpful and what not?

The interesting thing is that people who aren't very successful at what they teach can actually be much smarter at it than people who are successful at it. For instance, a fat guy can be much smarter at building muscle than someone who is very muscular. Also, can someone who hasn't lived to 100 years teach other people how to maximize their chances of living that long?
You totally miss my point, lovely. If i were an overweight person who worries about my diet and got to RR's site, reading these things would trigger much anxiety inside me, because it's a fairly unbalanced way to care about your body at all. RoxyRuby talking about weight loss:

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Being deprived of food is comforting

Being extremely tense, frustrated, angry, stressed, and angry, without eating anything, is comforting

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It's comforting to not eat all the time
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It's not ok to lose weight later

It's ok for me to not have a break while losing weight until I weigh 50kg

It's ok for people to get angry, offended, or not like me in order to eat properly to lose weight until I weigh 50kg

It's ok to be deprived of my faovurite food

It's ok to desperately want my favourite foods and not eat them

It's ok to go through the extreme torture and discomfort of a craving and desperation for food without eating

It is comforting to desperately want my favourite foods and not eat them so I can loose weight until I weigh 50kg

It is comforting to go through the torture of cravings and desperately wanting to eat and consume without eating any of it so I can loose weight until I weigh 50kg

It's ok to not eat my favourite food

It's ok to miss out on my favourite food

It's not ok to eat my favourite food
So, see, I'm not trying to un-motivate her, i was merely asking "are you sure you can ACTUALLY help other girls or are you going to drag them down and make them develop anorexia...

Of course RR is (you/are) free to start her/your site, and as Elucidate said I'll be very glad to be proven wrong .
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Roxy, how about if forum members gave you beautiful affirmations, tips and healthy recipes to help you with your site? Would that be a good thing?
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Thank you everyone for your helpful perspectives. I guess I won't make a website or anything then.

Although I would like to eventually so these ideas for a website name are still helpful.

~Peace <3
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Thank you everyone for your helpful perspectives. I guess I won't make a website or anything then.

Although I would like to eventually so these ideas for a website name are still helpful.

~Peace <3
Honey, why are you so resistant to discussing your food issues honestly on this forum? You seem to be very motivated to move forward in your life, and a smart girl, but every time people get close to the issue, you ignore them/respond flippantly/shut down the discussion by just saying 'Okay, I won't do this one particular thing.'

Don't you want to get better? Or do you honestly not think you have a problem?
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It still feels a LOT like you are trying to please us RR...why? You are not doing any of this for us, are you? It's almost like you want to start these things so you can get our approval or acceptance, instead of actually wanting to follow through?

These are our opinions. We aren't saying that you 'should' not do it.
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....I am sharing what helps me on my journey!!! ^-^ I have a passion....
I think you could do a blog about your ongoing journey with a forum for people to share their experiences also. I like the name thinandsane or thinsanity. Took a peek at your current site, Bravo for acomplishing this at such a young age!

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Acheiving permanent weight loss is different than setting other goals. Focusing on losing weight as the goal will ultimately backfire. I always recommend Normal Eating - Stop Emotional Eating for Good when this subject comes up. It's a very helpful resource to develop (or redevelop) nornal eating habits and learn how to abstain from bingeing. Losing weight PERMANENTLY is the natural by-product of establishing a healthy relationship with food.
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Of course I do and I talked about something completely different.

Will this decrease her chances of a successful website? Very likely. But to say that she shouldn't start it (which was the impression I got from most of you) is hypocrite. Do I make sense?
Weena adressed it already, but I would like to emphasize again that the concern is not so much whether RR can build a successful business on the topics of weight loss and EDs. Plenty of people become successful by preying on other's fears or insecurities.
The concern is that as someone who very much appears to have an ED and to be in denial about it, avoids thinking and talking about it, RR would cause more harm than good to her readers. I agree that you don't necessarily need to master a topic to talk about it, but at least to reach the "here are the mistakes I made and how to avoid them" stage you need to accept that you have committed mistakes.

There are already hundreds of thinspiration blogs and message boards out there, and probably thousands more from people struggling with their food intake, their hatred of their body and the public judgment. They struggle because the same old rehashed ideas lead to the same old lack of success. I have probably plugged it before, but Shapely Prose is a great place for a novel outlook on body image.
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Yeah, that's a really vital point I think. There are plenty of well-meaning people out there who reach a certain level of progress with their own issues and then get all inspired to help others with the same issue, and get motivated , start a business, and end up causing more damage than good because they are still not quite balanced themselves, and this spills over into the lives of others...sometimes for the worst.

I'm sure you would only want to help other Roxy, and the thought that you might actually do more harm than good should be enough to spurn you onwards towards greater healing and health before putting yourself in a position where others look up to you for advice, right?
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Weena adressed it already, but I would like to emphasize again that the concern is not so much whether RR can build a successful business on the topics of weight loss and EDs. Plenty of people become successful by preying on other's fears or insecurities.
The concern is that as someone who very much appears to have an ED and to be in denial about it, avoids thinking and talking about it, RR would cause more harm than good to her readers. I agree that you don't necessarily need to master a topic to talk about it, but at least to reach the "here are the mistakes I made and how to avoid them" stage you need to accept that you have committed mistakes.

There are already hundreds of thinspiration blogs and message boards out there, and probably thousands more from people struggling with their food intake, their hatred of their body and the public judgment. They struggle because the same old rehashed ideas lead to the same old lack of success. I have probably plugged it before, but Shapely Prose is a great place for a novel outlook on body image.
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I think a huge part of weight loss and defeating eating disorders is becoming happy with yourself the way you are. It'd be interesting as a journal but I wouldn't agree with an authoritative website quite yet.
I like that - defeatingeatingdisorders.com
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How about "Lovetheskinyourin" Your motto could be love the skin your in.

Essentially, I think there is more to permanent weight loss than just calories counting and diets.

When peoples bodies change radically it can be scary and daunting maybe you can help with some of those type of issues too:

- Dealing with the extra attention and comments that are likely to come
- Managing food at parties and functions
- Dressing for your new body
- How to love your new body

- How to love your body for more than its size.
- Healthy recipes and affirmations
- How to spot when your being fearful
- When to start throwing out all your clothes that get too big
- How to handle all the questions

There is a million websites on how to get thin but what about what you do when you get there? Whats it like being slim and healthy? How does life change? What changes are you going to make to stay that way? Will your partner only love you coz your thin and other irrational beliefs?

I personally want to read about that part of the journey. Alot of people write about how to get thin but very few write about how to stay there and the lifestyle changes and different stages and fear of the unknown that can come with it.
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Weena adressed it already, but I would like to emphasize again that the concern is not so much whether RR can build a successful business on the topics of weight loss and EDs. Plenty of people become successful by preying on other's fears or insecurities.
The concern is that as someone who very much appears to have an ED and to be in denial about it, avoids thinking and talking about it, RR would cause more harm than good to her readers. I agree that you don't necessarily need to master a topic to talk about it, but at least to reach the "here are the mistakes I made and how to avoid them" stage you need to accept that you have committed mistakes.

There are already hundreds of thinspiration blogs and message boards out there, and probably thousands more from people struggling with their food intake, their hatred of their body and the public judgment. They struggle because the same old rehashed ideas lead to the same old lack of success. I have probably plugged it before, but Shapely Prose is a great place for a novel outlook on body image.
OK, thanks for clarifying it. I interpreted it in a way that you shouldn't discuss things you're not an expert at. So I guess it was just miscommunication.
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