Progress is dead

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by James81

Having a blog, that is public, that is geared towards ourselves, seems like a win-win thing to me.

It can be, I agree. This is sort of what Steve has done, no?

But for something so personal, I'd feel like I couldn't write everything I wanted to write if I knew the whole world could see it. For example, I'd have to remove names of family members and stuff like that. I wouldn't want the thought of "someone else is going to read this" to ever cross my mind, because the Daffy Duck PD Book is only meant for Daffy Duck. And while it might be interesting to you to know what my nephew's favorite movies are or what my girlfriend doesn't enjoy talking about, it's not going to be particularly helpful to anyone besides me.

[Angela]

I would love to read Daffy Duck's Guide to Perthonal Development. I think Joe Pesci should play you in the movie version!

[Solipsist]

Originally Posted by Angela

I would love to read Daffy Duck's Guide to Perthonal Development.

Tho would I

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by Angela

I would love to read Daffy Duck's Guide to Perthonal Development.

That would actually be a great book. If Kermit the Frog can have his own published PD book, why shouldn't I?

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by Angela

That's the thing, Tim. It often only makes sense to you if it's what you're looking for.

I am completely and utterly lost.

[WarrenG]

Winnie the Pooh has one too (kinda) called the Tao of Pooh. It's excellent!

[James81]

*signs up for the "I <3 Daffy" fan club*

[Daffy Duck]

You can't just sign up. We have forms for you to fill out, and there's an annual membership fee.

[James81]

I'll see if I can move some money around and I'll make sure I use the cover memo for the TPS reports.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Mounds

I am completely and utterly lost.

Really? One little piece of feedback that doesn't make sense to you and you're completely and utterly lost?

What I meant was: when you get the kind of feedback you were looking for, it makes sense to you. You nod, you feel understood and validated and safe, your point of view remains steadfast. And when you get feedback of a sort that you weren't looking for, it may not make sense to you -- in order for it to be sensible, you'd have to make sense of it. It would take something of you, perhaps a shift in perspective, for it to make sense.

When you rely solely on feedback that makes sense to you, your perspective is enhanced. And when you shift yourself into new, nonroutine perspectives that don't make sense until you you make sense, your perspective is expanded.

Making sense of something, seeing sense in it, doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with it or condoning it, and it certainly doesn't mean believing in it or mean anything about you. It simply means accepting it as feedback, free of resistance. As James has so wisely pointed out, sometimes it's just saying and actually being "thank you" to it and nothing else. (That is, if you say "thank you" but you're being "shut up" or "that doesn't make sense" then it's not authentically being "thank you," it's being resistance.)

I saw this fun goofy movie last night, 2012, and granting it the suspension of disbelief gave me this wild trancey feeling of not being able to count on the world being as I already know it to be - no land to count on beneath my feet, everything I've known up till now underwater, seeing myself and others in this new light of being completely and utterly lost, while at the same time knowing at the deepest level that I am safe and supported, and that I'm where I should be. Loved it!

[James81]

Originally Posted by Angela

Really? One little piece of feedback that doesn't make sense to you and you're completely and utterly lost?

What I meant was: when you get the kind of feedback you were looking for, it makes sense to you. You nod, you feel understood and validated and safe, your point of view remains steadfast. And when you get feedback of a sort that you weren't looking for, it may not make sense to you -- in order for it to be sensible, you'd have to make sense of it. It would take something of you, perhaps a shift in perspective, for it to make sense.

When you rely solely on feedback that makes sense to you, your perspective is enhanced. And when you shift yourself into new, nonroutine perspectives that don't make sense until you you make sense, your perspective is expanded.

Making sense of something, seeing sense in it, doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with it or condoning it, and it certainly doesn't mean believing in it or mean anything about you. It simply means accepting it as feedback, free of resistance. As James has so wisely pointed out, sometimes it's just saying and actually being "thank you" to it and nothing else. (That is, if you say "thank you" but you're being "shut up" or "that doesn't make sense" then it's not authentically being "thank you," it's being resistance.)

I saw this fun goofy movie last night, 2012, and granting it the suspension of disbelief gave me this wild trancey feeling of not being able to count on the world being as I already know it to be - no land to count on beneath my feet, everything I've known up till now underwater, seeing myself and others in this new light of being completely and utterly lost, while at the same time knowing at the deepest level that I am safe and supported, and that I'm where I should be. Loved it!

There's a lot of awesome in this post right here.

And my own perspective gets enhanced like a mo fo.

[James81]

That is something to think about, though.

What will bring about the results I want in this particular instance? Will simply enhancing my perspective do the trick? Or will I need to expand my perspective?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by James81

That is something to think about, though.

What will bring about the results I want in this particular instance? Will simply enhancing my perspective do the trick? Or will I need to expand my perspective?

Just kind of as a general guideline, not a rule: if the result I want involves other people, expanding my perspective is almost always going to yield better results than limiting myself to and enhancing the one I'm already using.

[Mounds]

The reason I am lost is because I do not function in the same way that yourself, James and Andrew function. I just used their names because I've noticed you guys are very in tune, which is great!
When I read this stuff though, I might as well be reading Hindi. I have no clue what the purpose of this is. It's as if your telling me to identify an insect with a calculator. I just don't work like that.
But hey, thanks for your input!

-Tim

[James81]

Originally Posted by Mounds

The reason I am lost is because I do not function in the same way that yourself, James and Andrew function. I just used their names because I've noticed you guys are very in tune, which is great!
When I read this stuff though, I might as well be reading Hindi. I have no clue what the purpose of this is. It's as if your telling me to identify an insect with a calculator. I just don't work like that.
But hey, thanks for your input!

-Tim

Haha, the funny thing is, I've thought several times of mentioning how much you remind me of myself a few years ago. But I couldn't think of a way to say it without it coming across as condescending.

And more interesting is that there is *still* a very big part of me that relates to you and your posts. There's a reason why I'm in all your threads, and it's not because I feel compelled to "correct" you. It's because there are things that I've adopted in my own life, that, added to your perspective of things (which greatly mirrors my own perspective of yesteryear ) might really make a difference for you in the way that it did for me.

But also, on the flip side, it's because I enjoy your perspective and find it refreshing. Lately, though, I've noticed that you went from funny, slightly sarcastic Mounds to seeming like you're grumpy about something.

[Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi]

Originally Posted by James81

Haha, the funny thing is, I've thought several times of mentioning how much you remind me of myself a few years ago. But I couldn't think of a way to say it without it coming across as condescending.

Death is progress?

[Solipsist]

I perused through this thread, Mounds to try and get an idea of what the point was, and I happened upon this in the OP--

Originally Posted by Mounds

To call this the information age is only half right. It's the information paralysis age. Way too much stuff floating around. TV provides a pleasant distraction from the maelstrom. No wonder some people watch 5-6 hours a day.

It reminded me of a T. S. Elliot quote I picked up long ago--

Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?

I'm still not entirely sure what this thread's about, but until I get something concrete otherwise, I'm gonna run with Elliot's quote.

Best wishes, Mounds. I know what it means to be a little lost.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Mounds

The reason I am lost is because I do not function in the same way that yourself, James and Andrew function. I just used their names because I've noticed you guys are very in tune, which is great!
When I read this stuff though, I might as well be reading Hindi. I have no clue what the purpose of this is. It's as if your telling me to identify an insect with a calculator. I just don't work like that.

Exactly. You would have to shift your perspective to be able to make sense of what the purpose is. Not that you *should* shift perspective; just that this being a forum for personal development and all, maybe it would be worth taking into account that it's possible to work outside how you habitually or routinely do, that if you were to take on working in a way that you "just don't work like," there's some personal development -- some expansion -- available. That's the purpose.

[elucidate]

You're allowed to be grumpy Tim (if you are?)

[James81]

Originally Posted by Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi

Death is progress?

wat

[Mounds]

Exactly. You would have to shift your perspective to be able to make sense of what the purpose is. Not that you *should* shift perspective; just that this being a forum for personal development and all, maybe it would be worth taking into account that it's possible to work outside how you habitually or routinely do, that if you were to take on working in a way that you "just don't work like," there's some personal development -- some expansion -- available. That's the purpose.

Still don't get it. In fact, I've pretty much lost track of what I'm trying to say. I have that a lot with threads on here. I lose track quickly of what's going on.
But wouldn't you know it, that brings me right back to my op! Too many distractions, too much contradiction, too much going on! I just asked my brother what he thinks of information overload. He might as well have recited my first post in this thread. Summary of his words, "Too many opinions. Half your time is spent sifting out the bad info. People write books based on bad info. They advertise based on bad info". My bro speaks my language.
So anyway, the question is how do you deal with that. My bro instantly brought up a scenario: computer parts. "First off, you get information that's outdated. Then you deal with the advertisements. Then you finally get to some reviews and everyone thinks something different. All you can do is look at what everyone else is doing and make a judgment based on that."
Am I the only one that thinks there is a lot of time wasted? I seek to streamline that. Less confusion, less contradiction, more clarity all equals more time. Time to spend with your family, time to spend building your business, time to enjoy life.
I'm thinking that I'll unapologetically pursue this and see where it leads. I'm going to do it my way because I'm a superman with the tools I have. Whatever I discover will be written into my PD tome (thanks Daffy!) and buried with my beautiful corpse. The impending view envy is going to be.... massive. Just remember, if it makes you uncomfortable, stop looking at it.

-Tim

[Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi]

Originally Posted by James81

wat

you know, letting go of the you that you previously identified with allowed the new you to become you. Now. So the new you is now you and the old you is dead. Thus, death is progress.

wat?

States of extreme confusion can lead to extreme breakthroughs. Mind of no doubt, no enlightenment. Mind of little doubt, little enlightenment. Mind of great doubt, great enlightenment.

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi

you know, letting go of the you that you previously identified with allowed the new you to become you. Now. So the new you is now you and the old you is dead. Thus, death is progress.

wat?

States of extreme confusion can lead to extreme breakthroughs. Mind of no doubt, no enlightenment. Mind of little doubt, little enlightenment. Mind of great doubt, great enlightenment.

Fun fact! The skin we see on any living person is dead skin!!! So essentially, your looking at a dead version of every person on the planet. I'm looking at you Heidi Klum... zombie supermodel....

By the way LL, your epidermis is showing!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Mounds

The impending view envy is going to be.... massive.

The thing is, Tim, there's no need to be envious of another person's view, because if you are willing to shift, you can have it, too, easily and effortlessly.

Just remember, if it makes you uncomfortable, stop looking at it.

You do realize who it is you're giving this advice to, right?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi

States of extreme confusion can lead to extreme breakthroughs.

That's for sure! Confusion can also be used as a tool for dominating others.

[Mounds]

Ergh... that last bit was a joke. Same thing with my PD tome being buried with me.

The beautiful corpse though, that's gonna happen.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Angela

Confusion can also be used as a tool for dominating others.

I mean domination of others through being confused, not by being confusing.

[Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Fun fact! The skin we see on any living person is dead skin!!! So essentially, your looking at a dead version of every person on the planet. I'm looking at you Heidi Klum... zombie supermodel....

By the way LL, your epidermis is showing!

you say dead, I say keratinized. because I believe in God.

wat?

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by Lakshyayidhi Lakshmihi

you say dead, I say keratinized. because I believe in God.

wat?

Doesn't that just mean it get's replaced? Not sure what you mean...

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by Angela

I mean domination of others through being confused, not by being confusing.

Fall before me for I am Confused Man! Attempting to take over the world, just not sure how yet...

Argh! Foiled again by my own confusion! Next time they're handing out gimmicks, I'm getting a good one. Super strength or something. This confused thing is BS. Where the hell am I?