When does PD end?

[metamorph]

I could easily think of dozens more goals. It is a bit zen-like. Not the destination, but the journey matters. 10 years ago I did not even know some of the goals I have today even exist (I mean as a concept). So,who knows what goals I will find in 10 years. So, for me it will end when I am dead.

On the other hand, I am sure at some point there is no point in reading books and forums. Sooner or later you have heard it all. I have had that happen to me on PUA forums years back. I had literally heard it all.

[Mounds]

Originally Posted by metamorph

On the other hand, I am sure at some point there is no point in reading books and forums. Sooner or later you have heard it all. I have had that happen to me on PUA forums years back. I had literally heard it all.

Bingo, that's where I'm at.

[Daffy Duck]

This forum isn't just about PD, though. I know for some it is. But actually, PD was never really the reason I ever posted here.

[metamorph]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Bingo, that's where I'm at.

So, then close the books and do the field work

Edit: I am sure you also heard that one before

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by metamorph

So, then close the books and do the field work

If he's ready to do the field work, he wouldn't need us to tell him!

Just kidding!

[elucidate]

Daffy...you're back? When did that happen...

So much has happened in your absence:

*Cylon is no longer angry and has decided to give peace a chance

*That guy got banned...themaster

*Lots of ****!

Welcome back

[Cado]

Originally Posted by Mounds

Bingo, that's where I'm at.

It's the 80/20 principle at work. There's still something of value in PD literature but I reached a point a long while back where most of it was repeating what I'd already heard. Now the primary way I uncover valuable information is when I need it. General info is too general, I already have the basics, and the specifics don't interest me until I've identified their application.

I'm probably going to keep reading just for fun because it's what I do, it's my thing, but at this point I'm where you are. I get more out of taking action and experimenting than I do from absorbing text.

[Acting Like Godot]

Personally, I think that

personal development is a diverse field

and that the majority of those

who believe that they have exhausted

the field are probably wrong.

What they may have exhausted

are those particular topics in personal development

which are relevant to their

current life circumstances.



But here's the thing -

those circumstances will change

with each passing year

or perhaps even sooner.

You will be faced with new

experiences and new challenges

and the old tricks you

learned may not suffice.

For example, consider this list:

-personal finance
-time management
-social skills
-confidence
-efficient goal setting

On personal finance -

the skills & knowledge you need

when you are broke

and drowning in credit card debt

are not the same as the

skills & knowledge you need

to efficiently manage your wealth

when you're a millionaire.


On time management -

the PD techniques that worked for you

when you were a student

may not work for you when you

become a parent, or an

international jet-setting business

executive, or a manager of

a team of complicated human

beings.


On social skills,

the PD techniques you learned

may prove inappropriate

if you travelled to another

country with

different cultural norms

(try your PUA

in some Middle Eastern

countries, and

you risk your dick

between lopped off

and fed to the

fishes

as punishment).



Perhaps these examples

would make my point

clear.


All the same, I appreciate

the distinction

between learning and its

application,

although personally for me

the learning is usually

the application

itself.

[Entelechy]

Originally Posted by Illustro Cado

It's the 80/20 principle at work. There's still something of value in PD literature but I reached a point a long while back where most of it was repeating what I'd already heard. Now the primary way I uncover valuable information is when I need it. General info is too general, I already have the basics, and the specifics don't interest me until I've identified their application.

I'm probably going to keep reading just for fun because it's what I do, it's my thing, but at this point I'm where you are. I get more out of taking action and experimenting than I do from absorbing text.

Agreed, same.

Even Buddha, the king of chilling, acknowledges that ideas not followed by actions are worthless.

There comes a time when you have to just stop reading and stop thinking and move. Of course, you can continue to read and think (it would probably be a good idea), but success in anything still requires that you eventually move as well.

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Daffy...you're back?

Daffy is here until 3000 posts, at least. We'll see what happens after that.

*Cylon is no longer angry and has decided to give peace a chance

No surprise there. He has a good heart.

*That guy got banned...themaster

Uh oh! I will remember him for his "let me tell you what you meant to say" conversational style. It was truly unique.

*Lots of ****!

Same old, same old.

Welcome back

Thanks for the welcome.

Originally Posted by Entelechy

Even Buddha, the king of chilling, acknowledges that ideas not followed by actions are worthless.

I like the quote, "Wisdom is knowledge applied."

Yo ALG - you been meditating too much? I see your head is a bit spacey.

[elucidate]

Very true...good points!

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Personally, I think that

personal development is a diverse field

and that the majority of those

who believe that they have exhausted

the field are probably wrong.

What they may have exhausted

are those particular topics in personal development

which are relevant to their

current life circumstances.



But here's the thing -

those circumstances will change

with each passing year

or perhaps even sooner.

You will be faced with new

experiences and new challenges

and the old tricks you

learned may not suffice.

For example, consider this list:




On personal finance -

the skills & knowledge you need

when you are broke

and drowning in credit card debt

are not the same as the

skills & knowledge you need

to efficiently manage your wealth

when you're a millionaire.


On time management -

the PD techniques that worked for you

when you were a student

may not work for you when you

become a parent, or an

international jet-setting business

executive, or a manager of

a team of complicated human

beings.


On social skills,

the PD techniques you learned

may prove inappropriate

if you travelled to another

country with

different cultural norms

(try your PUA

in some Middle Eastern

countries, and

you risk your dick

between lopped off

and fed to the

fishes

as punishment).



Perhaps these examples

would make my point

clear.


All the same, I appreciate

the distinction

between learning and its

application,

although personally for me

the learning is usually

the application

itself.

[cacheborn]

IMO, PD never ends. I do not pursue PD for the sake of it. I pursue it in order to make every aspect of my life better than what it is. It's true that there are some standard tools that one can use, but those are just skill sets, not the whole PD.

It's essential not to get caught up in only reading about it but to apply what you have read.

If you think you have achieved everything, thats great. Take six months off and pursue your passions/desires and see if you still feel the same.

[Casey Lake]

I'm not sure the question is right. Do you mean when does it end or where does it end? Or when should it end or where should it end?

When? I guess some people would say death and some say PD continues beyond death.

Where? Completely different answer.

I think something like this is completely personal. Even the meaning of personal development differs from person to person. You see PD as something finite, I see it as something larger and therefore it cannot end. Even if I made a decision to have nothing to do with personal development ever again, this would be paradoxical as to me, that would be personally developing a side of my personality I have since disregarded.

So my answer is the question is a paradox!

[melvin ramos]

Hi,

Congratulations on getting at this point.

I believe PD is a process (a journey), and it start and is supported by PD books but it is not books/seminars/ect. They are just tools, and there are other tools for PD.

At this point you may consider what legacy will you left and help others achieve what you have reached.

Another suggestion is to always set higher goals.

Even I will tell you to question what you have achieved until now; it is linked with your passion? with your legacy? do you really believe in a great human potential? have you reached it?

PD is not about reading PD books, it is about self actualization and transcendence. Look deeper and you will find something that still you have to do...

If you are happy with your actual results and with the idea of not more growth, the you are set. If feel something missing then you can look for it and not necessarily you have to look on PD looks.

Success and Blessings,

[richardxthripp]

It ends when you stop thinking and start doing... or is that when it begins?