School of Phenomenal Memory??

[farooqis2cool]

Has anyone tried the memory courses at pmemory.com? How would you compare it to courses like Paul Scheele's Memory Optimizer?

[Brutha]

I haven't taken a course from pmemory.com but I think their manual Improve your Memory, Memory development, Mnemonics, Memorization techniques say a lot about what you can except from the course.

Paul Scheeles course works nearly without mnemonics and the pmemory course teach you a system (that system is explained in the manual) to memorise information.
Quite a diffenrence.

[Trustme]

The pmemory course is a working system, no psycho-blabla. They provide you with lots of material, in the forum there is a link to the complete course printed out. I think it's around 600 pages or so. I am in the middle of it and it's quite demanding both in terms of time and difficulty. On the other hand the benefit is quite impressing. I would estimate the total time to learn and master the system is around 80 to 100 hours.

A lot of people start the course and post on the student's forum but lose interest because of the work that's involved. But hardly anyone complains about the course, most people realize that they are just not dedicated enough. I never regreted the decision to spend the money.

I am not connected with them. I bought the course in October 2006 and I post under the same handle in their forums sometimes.

Regards
Volkmar

[Sam988]

Even though i have never taken their course,

Their course really works, you get out of there being able to memorize a quantity of information you never though you would be able to, but the problem is that it demands so MUCH time, so if you got enough time and energy and are really willing to learn it, go for it.



Anyways, here's a link with many memory techniques you can use to improve your memory, i personally did and i must tell you, its amazing, and i think, basically, that Pmemory teaches these techniques but they provide you more tools to learn and master them.

Mind Tools - Memory Techniques and Mnemonics

[Brutha]

Even though i have never taken their course,

Their course really works, you get out of there being able to memorize a quantity of information you never though you would be able to, but the problem is that it demands so MUCH time, so if you got enough time and energy and are really willing to learn it, go for it.

If the 100 hours figure is correct that is a reasonable amount of time.
You need more than 100 hours to learn to play an instrument. It takes 1000 hours to learn a second language (without they aid of mnemonics) and their are still a lot people who do it.

Anyways, here's a link with many memory techniques you can use to improve your memory, i personally did and i must tell you, its amazing, and i think, basically, that Pmemory teaches these techniques but they provide you more tools to learn and master them.

If the provide what they promise in their course that statement is completly false.
The thing the sell you in the course isn't a buch of memory techniques, like those in your link.
They give those techinques away for free.
They tell you two things (if what the promise is true):
1) A closed system which can be used in real life on a daily basis.
2) A way to learn that system in 100 hours through specific training excercises. You need a lot more time when you try to develop a good memory by studing a buch of different techiques as laid out in your link on your own.

If you say their course works, you are saying that they solved the problem of needing to spent "so MUCH time".
Sure 100 hours is still a buch of time, but you can do it in four month by spending a hour a day.
The creator of the course say that is it nearly impossible to develop a good memory that can be used in daily life situations be reading about memory skills and training a bit your own.
And that is true is you don't spend "so MUCH time".
But this course has a USP that it teaches you how to use the skills in about 100 hours (58 lectures and 1.5-2 hours per lecture).

@Trustme: How much time have you spent on the course and what can you do in real life with it at the moment?

[Trustme]

This test is a good example what you can achieve after the first 24 lessons:
Improve your Memory, Memory development, Mnemonics, Memorization techniques (I had 2 mistakes) I started in October, lost motivation around Christmas (my gf dumped me ;-) but took it up again some weeks ago and finished the first 50%. I spent around 50 hours for the first half.

As I said before - I think most people (probably 80% but they won't tell you that) quit because it's not the easy secret they expected but a solid method that involves a lot of work. I am working on the next lessons now which involve language learning and the difficulty is pretty tough in my opinion.

I am slowly using more and more of it in real life. It's not just getting familiar with the stuff but actually training and in a way convincing yourself that you can handle more and more data. They do a pretty good job with that in the exercises which give you confidence and increase the amount of data over time.

I plan to get a CFA in the future (Chartered Financial Analyst) and I am sure it will be a lot easier with these techniques than without. By the way I saw your conversation with Ruslan about fake education. He is quite tight on this subject and I tend to agree more with you than with him. You won't get far in life without understanding the things you learn.

By the way I am from Austria and I think you are from Germany. So we can talk about the subject in german if you want. Just PM me and I can answer your questions.

Volkmar

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Brutha

If the 100 hours figure is correct that is a reasonable amount of time.
You need more than 100 hours to learn to play an instrument. It takes 1000 hours to learn a second language (without they aid of mnemonics) and their are still a lot people who do it.



If the provide what they promise in their course that statement is completly false.
The thing the sell you in the course isn't a buch of memory techniques, like those in your link.
They give those techinques away for free.
They tell you two things (if what the promise is true):
1) A closed system which can be used in real life on a daily basis.
2) A way to learn that system in 100 hours through specific training excercises. You need a lot more time when you try to develop a good memory by studing a buch of different techiques as laid out in your link on your own.

If you say their course works, you are saying that they solved the problem of needing to spent "so MUCH time".
Sure 100 hours is still a buch of time, but you can do it in four month by spending a hour a day.
The creator of the course say that is it nearly impossible to develop a good memory that can be used in daily life situations be reading about memory skills and training a bit your own.
And that is true is you don't spend "so MUCH time".
But this course has a USP that it teaches you how to use the skills in about 100 hours (58 lectures and 1.5-2 hours per lecture).

@Trustme: How much time have you spent on the course and what can you do in real life with it at the moment?

Here is just some things i can do with the "bunch of memory techniques":

I am able to remember names of people i have seen just once and never forget neither the person nor the name.

I know which weekday will fall into any day of the month you ask me about.

I know dates of birthday of everyone close to me.

I easily memorize and don't forget anymore any number, from 1 digit numbers to 100 digit numbers or more, by seeing it just once for a certain amount of time, depending on the size of the number

I dont have to make shopping lists, i can just memorize it, even if they contain like 50+ itens

I memorize any kind of list with numbers, names, of whatever.



Ok not that i want to brag myself or anything im just showing you what "a bunch of techniques" can do to enhance many activities on my day to day life. You cant deny that i can use those skills in "a real life on a daily basis"


And now to the conclusion, yes i made a wrong statement because, even though the Pmemory program might work, i doubt it takes just 100 hours. Great memory skills surely take much more time to acquire than 100h, and after you acquired it, you have to constantly be working on it so you wont lose it, because after a while you gradually forget the inumerous parts of the system if you dont practice it constantly.

[Brutha]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Here is just some things i can do with the "bunch of memory techniques":

My point was that you need a lot more time that way, thousands of hours probably. In addition you have a way to memorize certain things, while his system works like a database in which you can store any information. (if delivered as promised)

I know which weekday will fall into any day of the month you ask me about.

Mental Calcalus isn't exactly Mnemonics.

I know dates of birthday of everyone close to me.

I easily memorize and don't forget anymore any number, from 1 digit numbers to 100 digit numbers or more, by seeing it just once for a certain amount of time, depending on the size of the number

I dont have to make shopping lists, i can just memorize it, even if they contain like 50+ itens

I memorize any kind of list with numbers, names, of whatever.



Ok not that i want to brag myself or anything im just showing you what "a bunch of techniques" can do to enhance many activities on my day to day life. You cant deny that i can use those skills in "a real life on a daily basis"[/QUOTE] I don't deny that their are people who build a memory that can be used on a daily basis that way.
But it takes a lot of time. You said it yourself, the amount of time that approach takes is a huge problem.

Ruslan claims to have revolutionised mnemonics by solving that problem and developed addtitional techniques that work together to build a memory that works like a database.

I don't think that you can judge whether he has archieved this by looking at your own struggle to learn mnemonics that took quite some time.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by Brutha

I don't think that you can judge whether he has archieved this by looking at your own struggle to learn mnemonics that took quite some time.

Right, indeed my judgement is based on my own experience of mnemonics but i havent taken a deep look at his system, so i cant be 100% certain of what i say about his system, as i never said i was.

So maybe he has developed a revolutionary system that i've never seen or heard of before. In that case my judgement would be wrong.

[DarkSide]

Originally Posted by Trustme

By the way I saw your conversation with Ruslan about fake education. He is quite tight on this subject and I tend to agree more with you than with him. You won't get far in life without understanding the things you learn.

I don't know why this topic creates so much misunderstanding. I am 100% agree that it is useless to memorize something without understanding. People just think that we memorize formulas and other material like a poem, it is not true at all. We memorize through understanding. You, as a student should know this. Also, check out our last posts about this topic, everything is super clear - Fake studying for fake education - School of Phenomenal Memory Community

[DarkSide]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Even though i have never taken their course,

Their course really works, you get out of there being able to memorize a quantity of information you never though you would be able to, but the problem is that it demands so MUCH time, so if you got enough time and energy and are really willing to learn it, go for it.

Anyways, here's a link with many memory techniques you can use to improve your memory, i personally did and i must tell you, its amazing, and i think, basically, that Pmemory teaches these techniques but they provide you more tools to learn and master them.

Mind Tools - Memory Techniques and Mnemonics

Thank you for your input You have never tried the course, but you know it works and you know it demands so much time Tell us more

[DarkSide]

Too much time.... Too much time.... Too much time....



It takes months to build a great strong body, to learn how to read, write, dance, play soccer and etc....

Phenomenal Memory is not a joke. It's a real skill, which can change your life... it is a base of your ability to learn. What can you achieve in this life if you cannot learn? What can you achieve in this life if you can learn 50 times faster?

It is always easy to come up with the excuses. Take a look at fat people, they have nothing but excuses. They don't want to be fat, but they are too lazy to do something about it... Our School is not for everybody, that is for sure. It's like a gym. A lot of people want to have a great body and a lot of people start to work out and quit in a month. But there are people who work till they get the result and we will do our best to make them get the result. If you want to have Phenomenal Memory - there is only one place to get it, but it is not a magic pill, you will have to work to get it. 3 lessons per week, 1 lesson takes about 1-2 hours with exercises. 59 lessons in total. Is this a lot of time? Give me a break....

[Paraselene]

Hey there guys,

This is my first post to this forum (though I actually follow Steve's blog religiously), and I haven't provided an introduction. I'm also dragging up a very old thread, and I apologise for this also. I'm also copy/pasting much of this from previous posts. I think it's justified, because I'm essentially warning people of a scam.

The reason I say this is a scam is not because of the product (though I should mention that it didn't work for me, and that it is really only a modified method of loci system, with some bells and whistles attached), but because the money-back guarantee is not a money-back guarantee. Despite the website’s claim that:

“Our course is backed by NO TIME LIMIT MONEY-BACK GUARANTEE! If our course does not work for you we will return your money and let you keep the course for FREE!”

Your reasons will simply be rejected as invalid, and your refund withheld. This is certainly my experience.

Additionally, if you dispute this on the forums, your account will be banned, and the post immediately deleted. Again, this is my experience.

Moreover, one should bear in mind that the “testimonials” in the forum are compulsory for the students to receive the next installment of their course. Thus, you should take everything said with a pinch of salt.

Again, sorry for the "one hit wonder", but it may well end up saving people ~£150.

Paraselene.

[Freelancer]

Originally Posted by Paraselene

Hey there guys,

This is my first post to this forum (though I actually follow Steve's blog religiously), and I haven't provided an introduction. I'm also dragging up a very old thread, and I apologise for this also. I'm also copy/pasting much of this from previous posts. I think it's justified, because I'm essentially warning people of a scam.

The reason I say this is a scam is not because of the product (though I should mention that it didn't work for me, and that it is really only a modified method of loci system, with some bells and whistles attached), but because the money-back guarantee is not a money-back guarantee. Despite the website’s claim that:



Your reasons will simply be rejected as invalid, and your refund withheld. This is certainly my experience.

Additionally, if you dispute this on the forums, your account will be banned, and the post immediately deleted. Again, this is my experience.

Moreover, one should bear in mind that the “testimonials” in the forum are compulsory for the students to receive the next installment of their course. Thus, you should take everything said with a pinch of salt.

Again, sorry for the "one hit wonder", but it may well end up saving people ~£150.

Paraselene.

Thank you for upping this, would've totally missed it otherwise. I'm now seriously considering taking this course. I've been wondering about a similar thing for a while and how cool it would be, looks like somebody beat me to it.

So your post didn't quite have the desired effect but it was usefull anyway...

So lol thanks.

[Paraselene]

lol thanks

Sure, if you like. It's your money to squander. Who knows, it might work for you. Let's just hope you don't require the refund though, eh? Although I suspect you're already a student, in truth.

[DarkSide]

Originally Posted by Paraselene

Hey there guys,

This is my first post to this forum (though I actually follow Steve's blog religiously), and I haven't provided an introduction. I'm also dragging up a very old thread, and I apologise for this also. I'm also copy/pasting much of this from previous posts. I think it's justified, because I'm essentially warning people of a scam.

The reason I say this is a scam is not because of the product (though I should mention that it didn't work for me, and that it is really only a modified method of loci system, with some bells and whistles attached), but because the money-back guarantee is not a money-back guarantee. Despite the website’s claim that:

Your reasons will simply be rejected as invalid, and your refund withheld. This is certainly my experience.

Additionally, if you dispute this on the forums, your account will be banned, and the post immediately deleted. Again, this is my experience.

Moreover, one should bear in mind that the “testimonials” in the forum are compulsory for the students to receive the next installment of their course. Thus, you should take everything said with a pinch of salt.

Again, sorry for the "one hit wonder", but it may well end up saving people ~£150.

Paraselene.

Thank you for sharing your truthful experience as you promised Especially thank you for things like - School of Phenomenal Memory = Scam, and others positive claims

As I said in my answers to you we do have a money back guarantee, but we don't refund money for the reasons you have provided, we refund money only if course does not work. Read our terms and conditions. Here are your reasons:

1) Despite the progress I thought I had made with the first module, I keep finding myself returning to my old mnemonic techniques, esp. the major system.
2) My latest employment makes intellectual and time demands which compete with the course.
3) My latest employment does not readily require this mnemonic system.


This is not our fault that you have some issues with your employment and the reason number 1 can be easily fixed. You have never asked me how!

I don't see any reasons for a refund here. Your personal problems with your job has nothing to do with the course and our school.

We work according to our terms and conditions you have agreed with and I have nothing to add.

You are welcome to share your experience, but please do that truthfully as you stated in your email. We have nothing to hide.

Don't forget to add your testimonial: Testimonial - School of Phenomenal Memory Community

P.S. By the way, you have joined the school in May and our course is significantly different now. We switched to Course 2.0 last week. Now you can get the same Phenomenal Memory but up to 30% faster. Also we have fixed many errors and methodological mistakes in Memorization System.

[Paraselene]

So that readers of this thread aren't mislead, my email messages, in context:

After repeated attempts to make headway with the latest instalment of the course, I continually make little progress. This might be for a number of reasons:
1) Despite the progress I thought I had made with the first module, I keep finding myself returning to my old mnemonic techniques, esp. the major system.
2) My latest employment makes intellectual and time demands which compete with the course.
3) My latest employment does not readily require this mnemonic system.

These are all postulations: the simple truth is that p memory isn’t currently working for me.

As I tried to explain, I simply /cannot/ continue in the forseeable future, the program isn't working for me. The 2nd and 3rd points merely mean that I cannot spare the time at present to /make it/ work. The "simple truth" you want is that it's not doing what I need it to. The product is unsuitable for me, and as such, in accordance with your terms, I would like my money refunded.

and from the latest email:

> >

"We issue refunds ONLY if our course does not work!"

I have explicitly stated, numerous times, over the course of these emails that the course does not work for me.

"Now, if you are saying that course does not work, please provide a detailed explanation, which lesson you are talking about? Which part? Which exercise?"

A "detailed explanation" is different from a "valid reason". I can provide both. The valid reason is my inability to make progress- again, I have explicitly mentioned this at numerous junctures. If you want specifics, or details - I particularly stumbled at M3, though I have to say, despite scoring reasonably well in the earlier sections of the course, I wouldn't say that I was comfortable with the techniques. Hence the less-than-glowing testimonial (I only provided one, in fact, as it was compulsory to do so before proceeding). Exercises 1,2 and 3 didn't work properly, on the numerous occasions I tried them- when I revisited the earlier parts of the course, I found that I was confusing the figurative code with the major system. I could not achieve consistent recall of the 33 images.

I stand by everything I've said, as it is all truthful. Your money-back guarantee is a scam. You refute any and all claims as invalid. You have banned me from the forums for sharing this experience. You outright lied when you claimed that "the GMS will work for you and if not – you will get your money back." (source: How does your guarantee work - School of Phenomenal Memory Community)

I am no longer interested in your product, or version 2.0 of it, as you have wasted my time under the pretense of being a legitimate businessman, when this is flagrantly not the case. So I ask you, again, via this public medium, for the reasons stated above, to make good on your unlimited time money-back guarantee, in accordance with your terms and conditions.

Moreover, if anyone is interested (and I doubt they are, but I'm forced to use this medium to compel Ruslan to make good on his claims, and morally obliged to share this experience, so as to save others the hassle-), I can provide full email logs, as well as the deleted post from the forums, and you can judge for yourselves whether my claim is valid.

[DarkSide]

Originally Posted by Paraselene

So that readers of this thread aren't mislead, my email messages, in context:





and from the latest email:



I stand by everything I've said, as it is all truthful. Your money-back guarantee is a scam. You refute any and all claims as invalid. You have banned me from the forums for sharing this experience. You outright lied when you claimed that "the GMS will work for you and if not – you will get your money back." (source: How does your guarantee work - School of Phenomenal Memory Community)

I am no longer interested in your product, or version 2.0 of it, as you have wasted my time under the pretense of being a legitimate businessman, when this is flagrantly not the case. So I ask you, again, via this public medium, for the reasons stated above, to make good on your unlimited time money-back guarantee, in accordance with your terms and conditions.

Moreover, if anyone is interested (and I doubt they are, but I'm forced to use this medium to compel Ruslan to make good on his claims, and morally obliged to share this experience, so as to save others the hassle-), I can provide full email logs, as well as the deleted post from the forums, and you can judge for yourselves whether my claim is valid.

I am not going to argue with you. I have provided all necessary information here. You keep changing your story and I am not going to play this game. It is getting ridicules. If you cannot memorize 33 images, then how could you pass the test? Why you didn't tell me about this problem instead of writing a positive testimonial?

Good luck, I have nothing to add.

[Paraselene]

That's fine. You'll be contacted by the Better Business Bureau within the next 2 working days, following my formal complaint. We'll probably achieve quicker resolution through them.

[Paraselene]

Moreover, Ruslan, I should let you know that in the professional world, you don't simply get to shrug off a failure to provide a refund with a "good luck", effectively leaving your customer without the service or the money they paid for it. I rue the day I took the chance with your so-called "business".

[DarkSide]

Originally Posted by Paraselene

That's fine. You'll be contacted by the Better Business Bureau within the next 2 working days, following my formal complaint. We'll probably achieve quicker resolution through them.

As I said, we work according to terms and conditions you have agreed with and we have nothing to hide.

[Brutha]

Out of interest:
How many refund request have you accept so far and how many have you declined?

[Volunteer]

Whether Paraselene has fulfilled his/ her obligations to ask for and expect a refund, I have never understood why a business man would not freely give a refund to a disgruntled customer. The negative word-of-mouth that always follows never seems worth it in order to prove who is right and who is wrong.

Lastly, aren't you a little bit fearful doing business with someone who goes by a user name of "DarkSide"? That seems a little sinister for a name when conducting what I would assume is their livlihood.

[Paraselene]

He doesn't post as "DarkSide" on any other forums (to my knowledge), and certainly not on his website.

Also, Volunteer, I'm as mystified as you are about that. I was very amiable when I initially asked for the refund, even going so far as to wish Ruslan the best, despite the product not working for me. After his refusal, I also forewarned him that I would be forced to denounce his product publicly if he wasn't forthcoming with the refund I was due. Clearly, a phenomenal memory isn't everything.

[Freelancer]

Originally Posted by Paraselene

Sure, if you like. It's your money to squander. Who knows, it might work for you. Let's just hope you don't require the refund though, eh? Although I suspect you're already a student, in truth.

Are you calling me a liar? Lol your being paranoid, its not a huge conspiracy. Also the reasons you listed aren't exactly valid I must agree with them on that although it was probably a better idea on there part to just do the refund and be over with it.

Let me lay it out for you;
1) After all this hassle they will NOT give you refund no matter how much you whine.
2) Your reasons are NOT valid, apparantly you could complete the test and you could make it work if you had additional time. Nowhere did I find a claim that it was easy or fast
3) Right now you are merely wasting everybody's time on a stupid claim
4) Your handling out off the ego mind or pain body and your consciousness level is clearly not very high. If you don't know what this means read up on it in this website or get A new earth by Eckhart Tolle, I suspect it can do a lot off good for you.

You'r probably going to attack me next and I'm going to do one off the most annoying things in the world; not respond. If anybody wants to discuss 'school of phenomenal memory' please do and just ignore this guy. If you continue to attack me, I will contact the mods.



Ps. I acted out off the pain body also, slightly anyway. Blehhh

[Paraselene]

Are you calling me a liar?

I bet dollars to donuts that you are either:

i) Ruslan's friend
ii) currently a student of p memory, or
iii) both.

I don't think this constitutes a personal attack- I merely find it highly dubious that a person would genuinely respond to a report of a scam with a "I'm gonna try it now, thanks lol" message without some kind of pre-existing ulterior motive.

Similarly, if you find this thread a waste of time you don't have to read it- you've clearly made up your mind as to whether "p memory" is a scam or not.

"Crying mod" is not a sufficient strategy for deterring me from making a rebuttal. If Brutha or Ilya wish to contact me, as they interpret my posts as being inappropriate or constituting personal attacks and suchlike, they are quite welcome to. I think, considering the circumstances, I am being remarkably civil.

Finally, it is not the position of an enlightened man to allow others to trample all over their civil rights. Even "passive" objectors like Mahatma Gandhi and the current Dalai Lama recognise this fact.

[Brutha]

1) After all this hassle they will NOT give you refund no matter how much you whine.

That may be true, but human society works much better when people who do immoral things, lose by doing them. Telling everyone who searches in google about the School of Phenomial Memory (this post is 5th in googles ranking) about his experience will probably make it a bad business decision for Ruslan not to refund his money.

2) Your reasons are NOT valid, apparantly you could complete the test and you could make it work if you had additional time. Nowhere did I find a claim that it was easy or fast

What is the criterium for the gurarantee?
a) Disatisfation with the product. "100% Satisfaction Guaranteed"
b) Providing an explanation why you want the refund.
It doesn't state that a requirement of spending enough time to make it work (or how many hours would be required for that) to make the claim 'valid' in his ToS.

Similarly, if you find this thread a waste of time you don't have to read it- you've clearly made up your mind as to whether "p memory" is a scam or not.

Having a very narrow refund policy does't make it a scam.
It is certainly not nice to claim that you have a realtivly open refund policy when you only have a narrow one, but it says nothing about the effectiveness of the course.

[Paraselene]

Having a very narrow refund policy does't make it a scam.

I understand why you're objecting to my term, but I did try to explain why I specifically called it a scam above:

The reason I say this is a scam is not because of the product (though I should mention that it didn't work for me, and that it is really only a modified method of loci system, with some bells and whistles attached), but because the money-back guarantee is not a money-back guarantee. Despite the website’s claim that:

Your reasons will simply be rejected as invalid, and your refund withheld. This is certainly my experience.

The product may or may not work (your mileage may vary), but coaxing people into risking a fairly substantial fee with a money back guarantee that really, well... isn't a money back guarantee is scamming, in my estimation.

Plus, I happen to think that, if my refund isn't provided, or if it turns out to be preclusively expensive to take the matter further, the information I provide will constitute a quackwatch article, especially alongside this thread. That way, as I've said, even if I don't have recompense, at least others won't be robbed.

[Freelancer]

Originally Posted by Brutha

That may be true, but human society works much better when people who do immoral things, lose by doing them. Telling everyone who searches in google about the School of Phenomial Memory (this post is 5th in googles ranking) about his experience will probably make it a bad business decision for Ruslan not to refund his money.
What is the criterium for the gurarantee?
a) Disatisfation with the product. "100% Satisfaction Guaranteed"
b) Providing an explanation why you want the refund.
It doesn't state that a requirement of spending enough time to make it work (or how many hours would be required for that) to make the claim 'valid' in his ToS.

Having a very narrow refund policy does't make it a scam.
It is certainly not nice to claim that you have a realtivly open refund policy when you only have a narrow one, but it says nothing about the effectiveness of the course.

You'r completely correct about it being a stupid business decision by ruslan, its human nature to stick to there guns in these type of situations though.

Same with the refund policy, I didn't actually read it and just went by the comments from other people (err oops lol).

Been reading through the entire website and nearly finished reading the manual from start to finish. It appears to be a functional system and a solid way off teaching it as well. Para is being a bit paranoid and appears to 'retaliate' against this company because HE fails to implement it...



Ps. Sorry brutha if I'm causing unneccesary fuss.
I really am gratefull that I found this course, its exactly what I needed and para helped me find it (no not sarcasm).

[Paraselene]

Freelancer: You clearly hail from the same school of thought as Ruslan regarding business ethics. It's not "paranoid" to claim the refund you are rightfully due, or to contest an unscrupulous businessman's attempts to deny said refund. You're quick to dispense book recommendations- perhaps I ought instead to refer you to some reading, regarding consumer rights or fair trade?