Personal Development for Smart People Forums

Personal Development for Smart PeopleTM Forums

 

Go Back   Personal Development for Smart People Forums > Personal Development > Personal Effectiveness

Personal Effectiveness Goals, productivity, time management, motivation, self-discipline, overcoming procrastination, habits, organizing, problem-solving, decision-making, intelligence


Welcome to the Personal Development for Smart People Forums, the place for lively, intelligent discussion of all personal growth issues -- physical, mental, financial, social, emotional, spiritual, and more.

You're currently viewing as a guest, which gives you limited read-only access. By joining our free community, you'll be able to post your own messages, access many members-only features, see the new messages posted since your last visit, and of course remove this header message. Registration is fast, simple, and free, so please join today.

If you arrived here from a search engine, you may want to explore the main site first, which includes hundreds of deep and insightful articles on a variety of personal development topics.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #181 (permalink)  
Old 09-21-2009, 01:54 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 4,903
Brutha is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Is there any way to go back and edit a post?
No.
Quote:
It would be nice if he would allow a credible person to test his memory in person (like at a memory championship) and see what he can really accomplish.
Memorizing 52 cards in under five minutes or under one minute isn't the name of the game.
The interesting thing is whether his claim of teaching people effective memorization is true. I also think that blindly trusting testimonials shouldn't lead you to making decisions.

Having a bunch students that complete a medical degree in a halve the time it normally takes after getting through would be a sign of credibility (and please in a way that allows verification of the claims, testimonials don't count).

I would really like that some memory trainer comes up with a system that gives his students the ability to complete a medical degree in halve the time and afterwards provide evidence of that success.

That's what it's about. It's not about the trainer getting a world record in memorizing 52 cards in the shortest amount of time.
Quote:
I am fine with plainly calling that dishonesty. If that's a selling point, then I don't really want to be involved.
While I probably wouldn't do such a thing myself I don't think it's a big deal, it's just not the major point of what the product is about.
Lying about your refund policy however is.
During a time where he gave a blogger a refund he wrote in this forum that he didn't gave anyone a refund (The internet is a small place...).
__________________
I am always open for feedback on my posts. If your feedback would go offtopic feel free to send me a Personal Message.

My posts generally don't contain medical or legal advice, if you have a problem seek the opinion of an expert


Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.”
Bruce Sterling about the financial crisis.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #182 (permalink)  
Old 09-21-2009, 05:32 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 120
servantofone is on a distinguished road
Default

Brutha, yes, I hope to see a day when that happens. Did the blogger you're referring to ever write a review of the product? I read a thread in which he promised a review after he secured a refund, but I never found the review.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #183 (permalink)  
Old 09-21-2009, 06:29 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 4,903
Brutha is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Brutha, yes, I hope to see a day when that happens. Did the blogger you're referring to ever write a review of the product? I read a thread in which he promised a review after he secured a refund, but I never found the review.
I don't think so, I know about the fact that he did get a refund because I exchanged messages with Shlomo (the blogger) and not because of something that Shlomo wrote publicly.
As a result Ruslan didn't knew that I knew at the point he made his claims in this thread.
__________________
I am always open for feedback on my posts. If your feedback would go offtopic feel free to send me a Personal Message.

My posts generally don't contain medical or legal advice, if you have a problem seek the opinion of an expert


Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.”
Bruce Sterling about the financial crisis.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #184 (permalink)  
Old 10-28-2009, 01:13 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 8
ghozt is on a distinguished road
Default

who here, actually owns the Course?

-just wondering..

Cheers
-Pres
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #185 (permalink)  
Old 10-28-2009, 04:28 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Kroejšan ripablik
Posts: 52
VIPFaktor is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to VIPFaktor Send a message via MSN to VIPFaktor Send a message via Yahoo to VIPFaktor Send a message via Skype™ to VIPFaktor
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ghozt View Post
who here, actually owns the Course?

-just wondering..

Cheers
-Pres
Ruslan.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #186 (permalink)  
Old 10-29-2009, 06:23 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 8
ghozt is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VIPFaktor View Post
Ruslan.


No. seriously, who owns it?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #187 (permalink)  
Old 10-29-2009, 06:54 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 13
aegis is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ghozt View Post


No. seriously, who owns it?
I don't actually own the course, but let's just say that a "friend" let me borrow it. I posted my thoughts on the system in this thread a while ago, but it looks like my post was deleted.

I got through the first 22 lessons and gave up on it. It was simply too mentally exhausting, and I found it difficult to retain the information over longer periods of time. I may have been able to recall most of the information on the following day, but 2-3 days later, I'd forget more than half of it. Visualization actually became more difficult as I progressed, which I found strange.

I believe that some type of visual component can help tremendously when it comes to retaining information. However, the visuals should be used in conjunction with other means.

Brutha mentioned that "having a bunch students that complete a medical degree in a halve the time it normally takes after getting through would be a sign of credibility (and please in a way that allows verification of the claims, testimonials don't count)."

I respectfully disagree. In fact, I'd be leery of seeing a doctor who used this program to study in medical school. Diagnosticians should possess an intuitive understanding of medicine. Simply memorizing bits of information won't make them good doctors.

Time and repetition is the only way to master a particular field. The brain actually goes through physical changes as new skills are formed. It's part of the natural learning process and there's really no shortcut. You'd be doing yourself a disservice by simply cramming the information.

This may work great if you're a visual learner, but despite popular belief, most people aren't. Most people benefit from learning in a variety of ways including visually, auditory, and hands-on. You need to find what combination works best for you.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #188 (permalink)  
Old 10-31-2009, 07:54 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7
Hatred4Scammers is on a distinguished road
Default

Hi. This is a random post not having much to do with the topic out of nowhere but... I just wanted to say that I'm a lurker on this forum and finally decided to create an account. I was actually going through this entire thread because I wondered if it actually worked. (And for a silly moment, I even wondered if I should purchase it lol) After reading the many posts from DarkSide on this thread, and various others who seemed to appear (and created their accounts on the same month) at the same time, I decided that it might be a scam. So I googled and found various people with the same names on this topic also advertising (probably copy and paste lol) elsewhere. Perhaps, the product-sellers are merely trying to advertise but I found it highly suspicious. If it works for you though, good for you. =)! And if it didn't, I just wanted to warn you that it might be a little suspicious. This is all I wanted to say.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #189 (permalink)  
Old 11-02-2009, 01:53 PM
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 4,903
Brutha is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
I respectfully disagree. In fact, I'd be leery of seeing a doctor who used this program to study in medical school. Diagnosticians should possess an intuitive understanding of medicine. Simply memorizing bits of information won't make them good doctors.
Intutition comes from having enough different patterns in your head.
I didn't said that a propective doctor should spend 100% of their time memorising stuff.

The way medical school is structured everyone has to spent some time memorising stuff that they forget once they are doctors.
Quote:
The brain actually goes through physical changes as new skills are formed.
Of course the brain goes to physical changes when it does anything. It's no big news unless you still believe in dualism.
__________________
I am always open for feedback on my posts. If your feedback would go offtopic feel free to send me a Personal Message.

My posts generally don't contain medical or legal advice, if you have a problem seek the opinion of an expert


Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.”
Bruce Sterling about the financial crisis.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Best Book for getting straight A in school stephanv Personal Effectiveness 24 01-17-2009 03:21 PM
How Does Steve Memorized in School? Joel Chue Personal Effectiveness 23 01-16-2009 03:34 PM
Taking time off from university, I love it! How can I stay this way? Tasaio Personal Effectiveness 17 02-22-2007 07:43 PM
Teach PD to school children? Love Character & Contribution 18 01-09-2007 10:33 PM
The Purpose of Education Scott Social & Relationships 40 11-11-2006 12:30 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0
Copyright © 2008 by Pavlina LLC