Positive Thinking is BS, Stop Living Delusions

[Bloah]

Positive thinking is bs. Making a good perception out of something doesnt make it good. Thinking positive doesnt make you good. Let me ask you, how many delusional beliefs do you have? Probably a lot. You would say, they are beneficial to you, maybe, but to the point. You are living an Illusion. All of us do.

Being an optimist helps, but it is very easy to be an optimist, think of what you want. Thats it. All other positive thinking is bs which will only hurt in the end.

Why am I writing all this? Because all people lie like hell.

I am a student in university, I live in residence of 2000 people, and I intarect with so called friends everyday, for the whole day, for past 6 month. It made me learn something. People lie! People lie to you, to their parents, and most importantly to themselves.

There are two girls, they consider themselves best friends. I stopped by them, during their conversation. One of the girls was telling another that her parents dont allow her to live of campus, and that she cant live with her next year in a house because of that. 6 hours later, the same girl, being drunk, tells me that it was a lie, she just dont want to live with another girl, because she is to possesive. I ask her why that girl is to possesive, she replies her ex boyfriend told me so. God, of course she would be possesive with him, he just dumped her.

Point is, anytime of lie is bad. Oh, I lied to her because I wanted to be polite, I didn't want to hurt her feelings? Well, let me ask you this, Who is she? is she the feelings or is she someone else? **** Politeness. **** Diplomacy. Tell the truth.

How can you respect someone if you continuosly lie to them? You may respect person's feelings by lying, but you do not respect themselves.

Secondly, you are not your mind. Believing so, is the greatest lie of all, which screws you over many times. Actually, your mind is the biggest BS generator on the planet, unless you learn to use it as a tool.

Do you think you know yourself? no you dont. You know someone who you think is you. But that is not you. That is an imaginary person. Stop caring about your identity, stop worrying about self esteem. Disattach yourself from all that bs. Try it, forget about improving yourself. Just for a week. And just live your life in present moment. Thats the reality my friends.

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[rene_stpierre]

Hi there,

In my opinion, you are mixing-up 2 differents things ... positive thinking being BS and people who lie.

I fully agree with you that any type of lie is bad. If someone lies, it's because they are affraid of the consequences of telling the truth. To me, this shows a lack of respect for others, an lack of self-confidence and lack of self-esteem.

However, I don't agree that positive thinking is BS. Our mind is very powerful and it can be our worse ennemy. That is one of the reasons, we must fill-it with positive beliefs.

Also, what we think about has a direct impact on how we feel. If you think about someone you love or an experience you truly enjoyed (or would truly enjoy), you will notice that you will feel in peace and relaxed ... you will feel good. On the other hand, if you think about someone you hate or a situation you don't like, you will feel stressed and angry.

If you still don't agree, ask yourself ... what's the alternative to positive thinking ... negative thinking?

In my opinion, anyone is better off having positive thoughts and feeling good. Makes for a much better life.

Try to adopt an attitude of gratitude for everything you have in your life ... you will see a big difference in how you feel. I did!

René

[dor]

study after study after study has shown that people who have positive outlooks are more likely to be happy (which is common sense) and succeed in life.

Lying is not positive thinking. You're confusing the two but if you think that positive thinking is lying its' self evident you have a negative attitude. So you're going to be more likely to say ' eh I won't get the job because the qualifications say this, and there are more qualified candidates'.

Yes people lie and avoid reality that's not positive thinking its fantasizing. but people also 'lie' to themselves it just not called positive thinking -it's called fear.

[Lychee]

It's NOT easy being an optimist because it is harder to look at the hard facts in front of you and CHOOSE to remain in a hopeful and faithful attitude about the situation. It is easy to look at any negative situation and propogate the negativity by saying that it cannot be overcome.

Lying and thinking positively are not the same. You probably mean "thinking positively" with "glossing over the truth." It's not glossing over the truth - it's using the truth in a positive way. A lie cannot be used in a positive way.

You are not your mind. Your mind is a tool that you use, just like your hands and feet are a tool that you use. Your mind may convince you of things which are not real. For example, if you are in a distressing situation your mind may exaggerate the gravity of the problem instead of assessing it accurately.

[RT Wolf]

Mmmm? http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...tive-thinking/

Hehehe. Its eerie that Pavlina's written about EVERYTHING.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Hehe I don't know myself. Truer words where never spoken.

But I think your just being a little Cynical Bloah, I mean lying to yourself is bad. I don't lie to myself. But I consider myself a positive thinker. I thin kpostively. I try and radiate Love and good will to people. You are a typical type of person I like to call a a "hippie-Teen-Dude" let me explain:

Imagine the following quote with a really long, drawly ".......MMMMAAAAAAANNNNN" on the end:

Do you think you know yourself? no you dont. You know someone who you think is you. But that is not you. That is an imaginary person. Stop caring about your identity, stop worrying about self esteem. Disattach yourself from all that bs. Try it, forget about improving yourself. Just for a week. And just live your life in present moment. Thats the reality my friends.

Do you really think that this is going to get through to anyone. I know you might be frustrated and this might be one of those late night rants where you spill your guts because you just can't take it anymore. The world is out to get you, people are stupid, everything is wrong, we are all machines, THE MAN is against us and all that....I see through you and I am only 16. Yeah thats right. Your paper thin and I can see the good your trying to say, but please be more empathetic.

No one wants to hear how stupid we are, and how smart you are. Sure, you may have had a revelation. But some people on this forum (Myself included) had the revelation years ago, some people are so far from it they won't understand what your saying, and some people may just have there own revelation because of it. HOWEVER....

If you do have a revelation, (Which I assume is what you have had) frame it postively, because I promise you, soon you will see how you have managed to combine positve thinking and Self-delusion. Its a common mistake, I made it, but I got through it. I hate to sound like an old person here but its just a phase, like everything. Hey maybe you should read about the Law of Attraction, its totally awesome, I think you would benefit from it. You seem ready to face the truth. Good luck.

[Bloah]

Akashic_Librarian
good reply.
If you are 16, and have all figured this out. Kodus to you.
Truth it, I have been reading about LOA, and visualizing and all that bs for past year. No result what so ever. I still cared what other people thought of me. I still was trying to prove my self worth. Now I just dont care. It is like freedom.

I have to admit I was over the top, but my point is, that positive thinking alone is not going to get you far. You have to be negative sometimes. Admit, that you have no friends (maybe I get lucky and find one day), admit that you and everyone else are selfish, admit that "most" people lie, admit that your mind lies to you most of the times, admit that most people don't know who they are and never ever will, admit that there is no right or wrong, admit that there is no right thing to do. there is just now, and there is being, which is myself.

As I admitted that, I stopped caring what other people think. I speak out loud, and I tell people honestly the truth. One girl the other day asked me, how come you never online? I told her, because I blocked you. I dont care. I am not afraid.

Lastly, I am not trying to convince anyone here of anything. I really write this word my own personall good. And if it helps someone, cool, it would make me feel better.

Finnally, is positive thinking bs? if you try to live everyday being positive, you are being delusional, because that is simply not possible. If I been dumped, well, I would feel like ************, and there is nothing wrong with it. I admit. Next step is use positive thinking, and move on. As a strategy, not as way of life.

I just see many people misunderstanding the idea of positive thinking, thats why I am being so harsch. If you relly on it, you are living a delusion, and same is true of LOA. Because, while everything is possible, it is not very probable.

Cheers

[Mark Lapierre]

Originally Posted by Bloah

If I been dumped, well, I would feel like ************, and there is nothing wrong with it. I admit. Next step is use positive thinking, and move on. As a strategy, not as way of life.

Preaching to the converted. Most people here understand the value in accepting the present moment as it is. I'm not sure why you think otherwise.

[Acting Like Godot]

Bloah, I don't think you understand what you're talking about.

Positive thinking has nothing to do with lying to someone else, or trying to prove your self-worth to someone else.

You could be stuck all alone on a desert island, with no one to lie to, and no one to prove anything to. And you could still think positive.

[Andy]

Bloah does raise a good point about being careful of falling into delusion with positive thinking, since it is a trap that can be easy to fall into. Rationality is something to strive for such that the actual reality of how things are is taken into account and isn't simply being "denied" due to positive thinking.

I'm pretty sure Steve Pavlina was referencing this in one of his articles about Creative Observation, ah yes here it is http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...e-observation/ The approach he discusses is quite useful for complete use of positive thinking while making sure the chance of delusion is taken care of. Perhaps you've read this Bloah? That article is quite anti-delusion and pro-positive thinking

[Bloah]

positive thinking is for negative people.

and I do now what I am talking about, its just some of you didn't take time to read. As I was saying, if you rely on positive thinking, its like living to a standard. And whenever you don't, you automatically feel shitty. Point is, it is enough being optimist, thinking of terms what you want.

P.S. thanks for article Andy, No I havent read it before, but I will read it now.
BTW, whenever you discover something by yourself, is much, much, more powerful then reading it from the article. Think for yourself guys.
You must not rely at what men has to say, Steve included. While I appreciate he is doing, and it absolutely worth reading his stuff. There must be a balance, just like with positive thinking, loa, or whatever.

P.S. I don't write this to teach someone else, or convert into following my beliefs. I do it entirely for selfish reasons, to figure this all out, people who dont agree with me, challange me, so I can figure out this even deeper. Other debates are uselless, there is no right or wrong.

[Lychee]

Hm...I sense a lot of hidden resentment. Why are you getting so defensive, Bloah?

[Bloah]

after giving some though, you are right I am defensive.
I still do not know what attitude to take about all the negative things in this world. It may sound ironic, but the solution may be a positive attitude, as someone mentioned, being grateful for what I already have.

What really hurts me, is that it feels like I am going back to delusional life again, because for example, pretending to ask, "how are you doing?" when I don't mean, or whenever someone asks me the same thing, and they also do not care about it at all.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Bloah

P.S. thanks for article Andy, No I havent read it before, but I will read it now.
BTW, whenever you discover something by yourself, is much, much, more powerful then reading it from the article. Think for yourself guys.
You must not rely at what men has to say, Steve included. While I appreciate he is doing, and it absolutely worth reading his stuff. There must be a balance, just like with positive thinking, loa, or whatever.

Sure. And yes, it's true that taking someone's advice at face value could be a mistake if it isn't given additional thought. Being gullible generally isn't a good idea, while "translating" the advice such that it makes sense to one's own mind is a better option.

[Bloah]

Guys, what is your attitude towards negative aspects of humans?

[Dani]

My attitude is to not focus on them, but to trun my attention to the good things. What you give focus to, grows, and what you take focus from, withers.

You have told us over and over you think positive, but all you actually speak is negative comments.

Read over your previous posts. Can you identify a single positive point in any of them?

A lot of the acting and social facade that you refer isn't because people maliciously and intentionally are out to lie to each other, and pretend to care about others when they don't. But because most people are acting unconciously 95% of the time or more. They are running purely on their habitual way of behaving without considering for a moment their motives or actions.

What you are getting so uptight about is actually people effectively sleep walking through their lives. You are angry at people who don't fully realise what they are doing.

If you were in bed with your partner and they rolled over in their sleep and hit you with their hand, would you start yelling and screaming about how terrible they were? Of course not. Well that's how most people live their entire life. Asleep, never questioning the habits they have built up over their life, and letting the habits run their life.

The bottom line however is that you are now wasting your life by getting upset about what others are doing with theirs.
As someone far wiser than me once said:

Resentment is like drinking poison and hoping it kills your enemy.

Stop guzzling poison lad! Get some gratitude and enjoy your life the way you want to, stop worrying about what others do.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Bloah

What really hurts me, is that it feels like I am going back to delusional life again, because for example, pretending to ask, "how are you doing?" when I don't mean, or whenever someone asks me the same thing, and they also do not care about it at all.

Ah, yeah I don't personally like to feel I'm being "fake" with people either, it's something I got tired of a long time ago. I don't think it's necessary to be that way, saying "nice" things you don't mean etc. while trying to lead a positive life. The outside-in approach, i.e. acting positive on the outside hoping it'll create positivity on the inside, does work sometimes. Other times it doesn't, it just leads to people being fake and hiding what they really feel, i.e. lying.

The inside-out approach avoids this and that's why I like it. The way I've gone about it is, yeah, being myself and not trying to act like something I'm not. Then, start working on changing myself. So if I really didn't care how anyone else was, that's fine, however I'd then work on finding ways for me to actually want to care how other people are doing. If I wanted to act a certain way (say inquiring about how others were doing), I'd find reasons to want to act that way, to care about it. Eventually I would then actually want to do it, and there would no longer be any fakeness, it'd be me.

[Bloah]

Dani
you are right I am negative about it. But tell me, how come when I was relatively positive, (feedback from other people) I still cared about what other people thought of me. When I got negative, I stopped caring about what other people are thinking, its a huge change, it is like freedom.

So what I want to do now, is keep this freedom, and apply positive attitudes, but it just doesnt fit for some reason. Shall I close my eyes on all of this? ignore the rest, and see what I already have, thats the only solution I see. Does this mean, knowing the truth, but ignoring it, and seeing what the good of world is remaining.

P.S. One more thing, What is your guys attitude towards the so called "dream walking people" (the ones who think that they are their minds)? Do you try to change them?

[Mark Lapierre]

Here's something relevant to this topic: Me and My Shadow | Manifest Revolution

[Dietrie]

Ugh. You want in your face then here you have it.
You are getting what you're asking for. You believe that people lie, cheat and steal, then that is what you will see in your life, and that is what you are basically getting.

I think I am a GREAT proponent for positive-thinking and TRUE BELIEF AND POSITIVE ****ACTION**** and the AMAZING effects that it can have on your life.
I'm not talking about making millions, losing 500 lbs or anything along those lines. What I AM talking about is,
coming up from the dredges of being severely depressed, suicidal, dealing with an extremely inefficient anti-depressant with horrible withdrawal symptoms, abuse, neglect, molestation, rape, drug and alcohol addiction, eating disorders, post partum depression, just to name some. I have overcome amazing obstacles that I imposed on myself, BY MYSELF. The thing is, these are all experiences. They don't define me. They have empowered me and taught me MANY valuable things. I am proud to be who I am today, and to be happy!

You can say it's all BS but really, you frustrate me because I am living proof that it's not (don't worry though, in ten minutes I won't be frustrated) and you know, I bettered myself and my life and all my relationships by finally realizing that 'it's' not bs. That *IT* is what you make of it.


And my opinion is this, on other peoples and their opinions and beliefs.

The ONLY!!!!!!!! person you can EVER change is yourself.

YOURSELF.

Concentrate on loving yourself, building yourself up, making yourself and your life circumstances as great as can be, then most of the rest will fall into place.
This is hard work bud. Life, is hard f*cking work. I can't explain to you the mental fortuity it took me to overcome many of my struggles. The concentration of thought and the shifting of paradigms and forcing myself to see NO MATTER WHAT the postives that there are in EVERYTHING. It's not a matter of willpower or resisting the negatives. It's about embracing ALL the positives in life, and in such a negative world that is HARD. But. Oh. so. WORTH it.

It's a choice. You can choose to see BS. Or you can choose to make your life better. And it's up to you, and at the end of the day, the ONLY one you are accountable to is yourself. The only person responsible for your own life is you.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Bloah

But tell me, how come when I was relatively positive, (feedback from other people) I still cared about what other people thought of me. When I got negative, I stopped caring about what other people are thinking, its a huge change, it is like freedom.

So what I want to do now, is keep this freedom, and apply positive attitudes, but it just doesnt fit for some reason.

I'm not sure why you are having problems with this.

Positive thinking has nothing to do with caring about what people think of you.

I'm quite indifferent to what people think about me - I always have been, it's an inherent characteristic of my MBTI personality type. But I generally think quite positively.

What is the problem, where is the conflict, I cannot see it.

Can you give an example of how you were positive, and thereby lost some freedom?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Bloah