Transmutation of Sexual Energy

[RT Wolf]

I've just started rereading the chapter in Think And Grow Rich about the transmutation of sex energy. I'm looking for concrete ways to transmute my energy. I remember that the last time I read it, I felt a lot more motivated to work for a few weeks, but then it dropped off, but I'm not entirely sure whether that spike in motivation was caused by this or not.

Anyhoo, I'm looking for more concrete ways to conserve, redirect and transmute sex energy. Heck, even explanations would be welcome. There have been a few references here and there, but nothing concrete per se.

Thanks!

PS Those interested in this chapter called The Mystery of Sex Transmutation can read it here:

Napoleon Hill - Think and Grow Rich

[backpocket]

Cold showers

[ethereal]

There are a lot of books by Mantak Chia who is a well-respected Taoist master specializing in sexual energy transmutation, if you're interested it'd be worthwhile to check them out.

However, I feel that sexual energy is a subset of a greater energy system (Kundalini), under a more spiritual context. After undergoing serious spiritual work it seems like my sexual energy (2nd chakra) is automatically being transferred up into higher chakras, without undergoing any deliberate energy work per se. Napoleon Hill, in his chapter, is most likely describing the transmutation of 2nd chakra sexual energy into 3rd chakra energy (mental functioning, power, control, self-esteem, career, success).

Anyway, a very easy way of transmuting sexual energy is just to not masturbate at all (sex should be ok, though). Another is to meditate and to use the "Bandha technique", which is to visualize and breathe the energy in the lower chakras up into the higher chakras. But a more long-term and permanent advance in transmutation of sexual/spiritual energy is to undergo dedicated spiritual work in whatever form appeals to you the most.

[javamannen2]

This might be useful

[Dani]

javamannen2, ewww that is such a terrible word! Your mother would be ashamed of you. (Mainly because you wouldn't be here if people were )

There isn't actually much you need to do in my experience.

Once you set a goal and get yourself on track with it you will find your energy levels automatically rising, and your sex drive automatically decreasing.

It doesn't totally dissapear, but what was a daily urge drops to weekly or monthly.

If you persist in having copious quantities of sex then you will find that your energy levels diminish again.

No need to be to dramatic about the affair. Because indulging in celibacy or abstinence when you have the desires still, is forcing your body into something it doesn't want to do and will just result in you losing even more energy fighting your guilt and desires.

Find your meaningful purpose, get on purpose with it, and the drive will drop. Simple and effective.

[kat]

Originally Posted by javamannen2

This might be useful

Or it may not. That site is incredibly anti-woman (a quick glance at the articles shows any number of them advocating that women don't belong in the work place, are innately inferior to men, etc, along with ridiculous theories such that women grow long nails because it reminds men of intercourse).

I believe celibacy is a perfectly valid choice. I don't believe that degenerating human beings on ridiculous grounds is a positive thing. I think this site is an excellent example of what can happen when people choose to not honor their sexuality: they are sharply critical of both themselves and who they are attracted to, in a destructive way. If one is naturally celibate, or chooses it, fine; but using it as a cause for hatred and bitter speech strikes me as going against most of the traits it is supposed to cultivate.

[dor]

Originally Posted by kat

Or it may not. That site is incredibly anti-woman (a quick glance at the articles shows any number of them advocating that women don't belong in the work place, are innately inferior to men, etc, along with ridiculous theories such that women grow long nails because it reminds men of intercourse)..

Well i guess it's aversion therapy. i looked around on the site because Napolean Hill, probably because of social mores at the time never really went in to it...

but anyway, I found a lot of interesting stuff and time honored approaches to celebicy which probably include creating an aversion to women -though I would hate to think what this might lead to

It find it interesting that for example, Buddism gets such soft treatment from the media in the US (Compared to catholicism which is bashed ) and the Dali Lama shares similar views about homosexuality, it would appear.

I think its bad unlesss you are specifically super spirtual - eg a monk - to feel bad about sex, on the other hand, completely forgotten in current society , there is such thing as being oversexed...its almost like modesty and restraint are the only vices according to mass media.

one of the hallmarks of a declining society is 'decadence"

[RT Wolf]

So I can't have my cake and eat it, too when it comes to transmuting sex energy? I mean, I'd like to be able to direct energy and concentrate on something when I need/want to, but I still want to keep my drive. It seems like there's a finite supply, which seems contradictory to the impression I got from Hill, which was that it was the most powerful drive in humans. Something about sex natures. Blah.

I'd like to thank everyone for their responses. I'm going to think more about this and get back with a more cohesive response. Thank you again and keep them coming!

[Bruce Achterberg]

I'm not at all qualified to comment on this subject, but I'll share something I remember Steve saying:

In the popular book Think and Grow Rich, there's a chapter devoted to sex energy. Supposedly people who are highly sexed can be very successful (in a material sense) once they learn to channel their sex energy into their work. However, this rarely happens before a person reaches their 40s.

Source: The thread, Sexual & Spiritual energy

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

So I can't have my cake and eat it, too when it comes to transmuting sex energy? I mean, I'd like to be able to direct energy and concentrate on something when I need/want to, but I still want to keep my drive. It seems like there's a finite supply, which seems contradictory to the impression I got from Hill, which was that it was the most powerful drive in humans. Something about sex natures. Blah.

You may actually be able to have your cake AND eat it too. Consider what Steve said in his blog post, Ask Steve - Sex:

So my question is, once you’ve worked through these emotional isues and are enjoying a rich and rewarding monogamous sex life, how do you continue to grow sexually? Once sex has helped you heal your emotional wounds, what role should it continue to play in your life?

Here are some of the possibilities I’ve been considering:

Rechannel it. I noticed that as I’ve gotten older, I’ve been able to more consciously channel my sexual energy into creative pursuits instead of being preoccupied with sex like I was during my 20s. I found it interesting that Napoleon Hill devotes a full chapter to this in Think and Grow Rich. He found that the wealthy people he studied were very highly sexed and had learned to rechannel their sex energy into their work.

So maybe Steve can provide some "how to" info in this thread or in a future blog post or something since he seems to have an idea of how to do it.

My interpretation is that more sex = more sex energy to work with. I think by thinking you're working with a limited sex drive you are, well, limiting yourself. There must be a way to increase it or keep energy flowing through it rather then depleting it. Looks like you may have to do some experimentation. Be sure to report back with your findings (but hold the graphic detail ).

[dorothy hanna]

RT WOLF,
Thanks for posting that link. I read it and it sounds real/right/true.

I'm gonna try this, and see what happens.

[kat]

Originally Posted by dor

but anyway, I found a lot of interesting stuff and time honored approaches to celebicy which probably include creating an aversion to women -though I would hate to think what this might lead to

There's an ample history of what it leads to; at a minimum, serious gender inequality and limited opportunity for women. At worst, killings (contemporary examples can be found in the form of 'honor killings'; slightly more historically, another example is the tradition of burning a dead man's widow in India).

Originally Posted by dor

It find it interesting that for example, Buddism gets such soft treatment from the media in the US (Compared to catholicism which is bashed ) and the Dali Lama shares similar views about homosexuality, it would appear.

The Dali Lama believes in celibacy for priests, and that homosexuality is ok for lay people. Buddhism as a whole has a much more variable and fluid view on homosexuality. Homosexuality and Buddhism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I suspect, from having read quite a bit of the US media, although I don't have numbers to back it up, that Catholicism gets quite a lot more press than Buddhism, both positively and negatively; neither gets a free ride. I do think there's quite a bit more "Catholic bashing", although this seems to mainly come from the direction of the Protestants; this follows the general trend of having two different, and fairly close, branches of a religion sometimes display hostility towards each other.

Originally Posted by dor

I think its bad unlesss you are specifically super spirtual - eg a monk - to feel bad about sex,

In my opinion, each person should consciously choose their ethical and moral code, including in this area, and do their best to live according to it. I also think it's possible to be highly spiritual and sexual; the much-discussed "left hand paths" come to mind. Feeling bad about sex is a waste of energy, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by dor

on the other hand, completely forgotten in current society , there is such thing as being oversexed...its almost like modesty and restraint are the only vices according to mass media.

Are they vices according to the mass media? I've seen this claim many times, and yet, essentially no evidence. This strikes me as primarily propaganda.
There are certainly voices in the mass media which call any number of other things vices.

Originally Posted by dor

one of the hallmarks of a declining society is 'decadence"

In the sense that the majority of the society's resources go into extremely elaborate court etiquette, coliseum games so brutal and frequent that several species of animals go extinct and that humans fight to the death, etc, sure.

Conversely, the societies I'm aware of which are/were frequently considered successful allowed a certain amount of liberty, rather than pure repression, including sexually; Athens and Sparta allowed homosexuality (albeit framed somewhat differently than in the USA at present, but that's a long tangent), and both housed quite a few people who wrote that male/male pairings were the highest form; in Sparta women also had a fair amount of freedom. Japan and China have had quite advanced societies relative to most of the rest of the world throughout much of the last few thousand years, especially China; some similar statements apply.

Repression is a hallmark of societies which aren't functioning well. Finding internal enemies for witch-hunts or scapegoating, or prescribing a moral code, to be enforced on all citizens who aren't extremely politically well-connected, is far from unknown, but I'm unaware of a single society in which this is widespread that I'd consider highly successful at the times in its history where this has occurred. The canonical example in recent American history would, I suppose, have been the USSR; if I go further back, I'll have invoked Godwin's law on the discussion.

[dor]

Originally Posted by kat

There's an ample history of what it leads to; at a minimum, serious gender inequality and limited opportunity for women. At worst, killings (contemporary examples can be found in the form of 'honor killings'; slightly more historically, another example is the tradition of burning a dead man's widow in India).

Sati is not an example of an aversion to women manifesting itself. The custom which recalls the storie of a hindu goddess jumping into a fire when her husband died, probably started with the rajput, when the muslims were invading - it was incredibly strong message we'd rather die with our husbands than become fodder for your harems.
Even today (with the famous case in Rajasthan in 1987) one who commits it is condsidered saint- like .it is more akin to honorable suicide in japan. I am not condoning it (obviously!) but its not like the husband dies and she's used to kindle the sandalwood.

Originally Posted by kat

Repression is a hallmark of societies which aren't functioning well. Finding internal enemies for witch-hunts or scapegoating, or prescribing a moral code, to be enforced on all citizens who aren't extremely politically well-connected, is far from unknown.

I think you're turning it into an either or there is a difference between liberty and libertinism.
countries which are morally decadent which includes promiscuity are usually on their last legs - history is littered with examples.
stoic protestant europe vs. decadent pre reformation catholic countries, stoic Republican Rome vs. the sexually decadent Enstrucans, the 'fanatic' religious Iberians led by Isabell, vs, the 'sophisticated, far wealthier an dmore powerful but emphasized , irreligious Moors.

and speaking of Goodwins' law if you look at the conditions of the Wiemer republic

[RT Wolf]

Bruce, experimentation is a great idea. I really like the aspect of adventure, exploration and experimentation of PD. Absorbing the wisdom of others is great and all, but sometimes its just fun to strike out on your own. Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

So, some notes:

1. Celibacy or abstinance are not options. There seem to be two camps about this. Hill seems to suggest that more sex = more sexual energy to be used for other purposes, which is also what Bruce says. Alternatively, there is the idea that less sex means more energy for other things. That's what I meant with whether the sex drive is finite or grows with use. For now I'm going to start with the belief that it grows with use (use for sexual purposes and otherwise), because it's more empowering and because the other one may become a self-fulling prophesy, as Bruce warns. This one may also be a self-fullfilling prophesy, but its one I like.

2. I want conscious control, in the sense that I can at one point say, "Ok, now I'm using this for doing my work" or "Ok, now I'm using this for what its meant for." That is, the situation Dani described where it just sorta happens is not acceptable to me. So I'm going to start with the assumption that I can gain conscious control over it. ethereal's wonderful post is also interesting, and I'll try to find out more about that meditation. I'm woefully ignorant on the subject of chakras and the rest of that stuff.

So I might just be expecting mastery, but I also want it to be in my control, I hope I've explained that point clearly. Beginner's mind, expectation of mastery.

3. The first step is to develop awareness of my sexual energy. Being in the sexual prime of my life, and the fact that I am human and human beings tend to sense things using contrasts, my sex drive is probably like a background sound to me now. That is, I don't notice it, if I ever did. To develop this awareness, I can experiment with increasing and decreasing my sex drive (I guess by turning myself on or turning myself off) to create a contrast to make it easier for me to recognize it.

I can also notice how much I want to notice girls. Just a simple check of what I feel inside might be enough to help me gain better awareness. I think everyone has the basic awareness to say "I'm turned on/horny right now", but to what level. Probably on a simple 1-10 level.

Another one is to meditate and see if I can somehow visualize my sexual energy and see if I can manipulate it. This is (I think) similar to what ethereal posted, but its not transforming it for now, but just recogizing, understanding and playing with it.

I recall a post on conserving sexual energy here a while ago by not masturbating, which seems to use the same sort of theory that celibacy or abstinence use. I figure it like this, one can either make sure to use every piece of the pie (of sexual energy ) efficiently and be careful with itand/or one can grow the pie (the "pool" of sexual energy). The latter is my working theory for now and I'll see if it bears out to truth.

4. The awesome success image is a threefer. The first is a point where I am extremely turned on and totally focussed on whatever I'm working on. I'm using the kind of energy and courage that being full of the nice hormones gives me to accomplish my goals without getting distracted or bogged down by thoughts of sex or related. The second is that my "normal" level of sexual energy is really high but still under my control. The third is that when I want to focus on sex and sexual related stuff, I can instantly.

I'll keep thinking about this and focusing on this. This is fun. Sense of adventure and excitement by finding new territory.

[javamannen2]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

1. Celibacy or abstinance are not options. There seem to be two camps about this. Hill seems to suggest that more sex = more sexual energy to be used for other purposes, which is also what Bruce says. Alternatively, there is the idea that less sex means more energy for other things. That's what I meant with whether the sex drive is finite or grows with use. For now I'm going to start with the belief that it grows with use (use for sexual purposes and otherwise), because it's more empowering and because the other one may become a self-fulling prophesy, as Bruce warns. This one may also be a self-fullfilling prophesy, but its one I like.

Perhaps you could do a 30-day trial of celibacy, and see what happens to your level of energy? Really, you've got nothing to lose.

Some famous celibates:
Leonardo Da Vinci
Nikola Tesla
Sir Isaac Newton
Mahatma Gandhi

[Dani]

I think that without an outlet for the energy he will either find himself masturbating profusely, or having a lot of wet dreams.

Thos people you mentioned all ahd goals and dreams so overwhelming that sex didn't enter their mind as they weren't at all interested in it.

If they were take the time to go find a woman, court her, seduce her, then sleep with her and maintain the relationship. It was time they weren't spending on their dream.

They would have felt like they were wasting time. I understand this feeling well, because since I started all of my own business persuits, I have basically stopped dating because I have other things I would rather do. Never thought I would say that but it's true.

When a girl emails me or rings me wanting to see me I feel like it's a tough descision because to be frank I would rather be working....

[Erock]

Yeah this really interests me as well. I even made a post about it. You might want to look it up, cause it had some good insights. I have a huge sex drive, and I'm trying to figure out how to channel it so it doesn't take over my life. I still haven't found a good resource for consciously channeling sexual energy, but if anyone here has one I would very much appreciate it.

Good luck on your quest and keep me informed
Erock

[Andy]

There was another thread where someone mentioned a website called something like "energy work" giving detailed instructions about this. I don't remember the URL though maybe someone else does.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Dani

When a girl emails me or rings me wanting to see me I feel like it's a tough descision because to be frank I would rather be working....

Unless she's a Japanese model, I suppose. LOL

[RT Wolf]

Originally Posted by javamannen2

Perhaps you could do a 30-day trial of celibacy, and see what happens to your level of energy? Really, you've got nothing to lose.

Some famous celibates:
Leonardo Da Vinci
Nikola Tesla
Sir Isaac Newton
Mahatma Gandhi

I'm browsing through the site that you linked. It all makes very little sense to me. If you have another source for information on this sort of thing, it'd be much appreciated. Something that talks about the non-spiritual or non-religious effects of celibacy/abstinence.

If you could offer some sort of a model that links celibacy to the greatness of those people you linked? All you've done is shown correlation, I'm going to need some evidence of causation. Dani is shown an example of causation, where the greatness of those men (through having a strong purpose) led to their celibacy. I'd love to read some sort of causation that leads celibacy to greatness or great creativity.

In the interest of thoroughness, I will probably go beyond that and do a 30-day trial of no sexual activities (including masturbation). This'll have to be after I develop better control and awareness. I did something like this once (inadvertently) and I couldn't concentrate on anything, so I don't want to end up in that sort of situation.

I'll reply to the other wonderful posts later. Thank you all.

Edit: Erock, I'll look up that post and link it here. Thanks.

Dani, I see your point. I remember totally phasing out of the world when I was doing something I loved. I'll have to think a bit more about your points before I reply. Thank you, though.

[javamannen2]

Originally Posted by RT Wolf

I'm browsing through the site that you linked. It all makes very little sense to me. If you have another source for information on this sort of thing, it'd be much appreciated. Something that talks about the non-spiritual or non-religious effects of celibacy/abstinence.

If you could offer some sort of a model that links celibacy to the greatness of those people you linked? All you've done is shown correlation, I'm going to need some evidence of causation. Dani is shown an example of causation, where the greatness of those men (through having a strong purpose) led to their celibacy. I'd love to read some sort of causation that leads celibacy to greatness or great creativity.

In the interest of thoroughness, I will probably go beyond that and