James Arthur Ray

[Antiventurecapital]

Has anyone taken any courses with this guy?

Of all the people in The Secret, I liked him and Bob Proctor best. I have some of Bob's stuff which is pretty dated now and was curious about Ray's courses. Has anyone attended his seminars or bought the home study kit?

[Logicseeker]

"Science" of Succes and a white Hollywood smile.... Well, I don't know. My intution says no. I've done some research on him yes but my conclusion was that it will not be worth spending my time and/or money on this. Most of it seems to duplicate things Pavlina and others have written about.

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by Logicseeker

"Science" of Succes and a white Hollywood smile.... Well, I don't know. My intution says no. I've done some research on him yes but my conclusion was that it will not be worth spending my time and/or money on this. Most of it seems to duplicate things Pavlina and others have written about.

You're right though.

I think I'm attracted to his stuff because my eyes are always scanning the Net for examples of effective sales pitches, and his are pretty good.

[Elenny]

The "Science of Success" is a few years old. I'm surprised that is what is being advertised on this forum.

James Ray's "Harmonic Wealth" stuff is fairly new and a lot more powerful, and that is what he is promoting on his own website.

My hunch is that this "Science of Success" program is being sold by someone else besides James Ray.

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by Elenny

The "Science of Success" is a few years old. I'm surprised that is what is being advertised on this forum.

James Ray's "Harmonic Wealth" stuff is fairly new and a lot more powerful, and that is what he is promoting on his own website.

My hunch is that this "Science of Success" program is being sold by someone else besides James Ray.

The HW is only available as a live seminar. I prefer to collect the CD versions for listening in the car and on walks.

[Steve Pavlina]

A few weeks ago I evaluated an extended version of James Ray's Science of Success course. This includes the 6-CD audio program, a workbook, a book, and an extensive online course with audio and videos clips. It took me a few days to go through the whole thing. It also comes with a free teleseminar and some free tickets for one of his events.

I thought the first CD contained too much basic introductory material (like most programs I evaluate). But on the 2nd CD and beyond he began providing much meatier content that was well organized into distinct rules and principles, and he provided abundant stories and examples of how to apply them.

Most of the ideas weren't new to me, and I know the concepts work because I'm already applying them. I really liked the way he presented and packaged them though, especially the stories and examples he used to illustrate them and his enthusiastic voice. I especially liked the 6th CD where he provided a walkthrough of his typical day, explaining how he applies the ideas as part of his daily routine. That actually motivated me to make some changes to my own routine.

Overall I liked the program, and when I asked myself if this was going to benefit people above and beyond topics I've already written about here, I had to say, "Yes, I expect it will." The program isn't merely about the Law of Attraction -- it's more about how to align yourself with various laws, including the LoA, to create a successful and happy life all around. It reminded me of Tony Robbins' Personal Power II program, but with a bit more structure and better organization.

So it was a fairly easy decision for me to opt to recommend it here. I already mentioned it in my newsletter and will write about it in the blog in a few days. Plus you'll see the ads for this program running across the site.

The particular version of the course I reviewed can be found here:
Science of Success

It includes a free 30-day trial and has an introductory video from Jack Canfield. The free trial gives you immediate access to the online course. My favorite portion of the course was actually the audio program, and second after that would be the videos from the online course. Plain text just doesn't convey James' contagious enthusiasm like his voice does.

One of my litmus tests for a good program is whether I'm still thinking about it a week after going through it. Most programs are highly forgettable. This is one where I'm still thinking about the ideas and looking over the several pages of notes I took. Again, most of the ideas in this program aren't new, but James has a great way of presenting them in such a way that you'll actually be motivated to apply them rather than just moving straight on to the next program.

[Antiventurecapital]

About four years ago, a friend took T Harv Eker's Millionaire Mind Intensive seminar and it apparently help him out in a big way. He claimed that his income tripled over the next year. I wasn't willing to pay the $1250 fee but ended up buying an official CD recording of the seminar on eBay for $65 just out of curiosity. Eker sells the CD version for $850.

The CD version was okay, but I would have been one ticked off customer if I had bought it for the retail price of $850.

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I especially liked the 6th CD where he provided a walkthrough of his typical day, explaining how he applies the ideas as part of his daily routine. That actually motivated me to make some changes to my own routine.

I know all the basic stuff already.

However that 6th CD sounds interesting.

Care to sell it?

[Antiventurecapital]

Anyone interested in swapping old courses?

I have the 16 CD MMI seminar.

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by Antiventurecapital

Anyone interested in swapping old courses?

I have the 16 CD MMI seminar.

Bueller?

Bueller?

Anyone?

[Dani]

Which Bob Proctor ones have you got?

I have a copy of all his seminar kits. Multiple copies in fact

I would be willing to trade one/some of them.

All the rest of my stuff is in a big shipping crate in Australia so not much good to either of us. (I am in Japan)

[Antiventurecapital]

I have the Science of Getting Rich and fragments of one or two other of his courses. I like Bob a lot but am ready for something newer.

We should have a swap meet here to exchange courses and books.

[RT Wolf]

Great idea. A swap/used sales area would be fantastic. If there's already a place (other than ebay/craigslist) which is specifically dedicated to PD materials, please share!

[Antiventurecapital]

Well, what am I bid for my 16 CD Millionaire Mind Intensive seminar by T harv Eker?

[Yev]

Antiventurecapital, I'm afraid I am not interested in bidding for your old CD's but I would be interested to know if the basic message of Bob Proctor's old course that you have is the same as what he pushes in "The Secret"? Did he always know and sell "The Secret" (even if it was known by some other name) or did he only learn it recently?

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by Yev

Antiventurecapital, I'm afraid I am not interested in bidding for your old CD's but I would be interested to know if the basic message of Bob Proctor's old course that you have is the same as what he pushes in "The Secret"? Did he always know and sell "The Secret" (even if it was known by some other name) or did he only learn it recently?

It's basically the same message as in the film. The course I have is based on Wallace Wattles' The Science of Getting Rich. He just adds his own elaboration on the book chapter by chapter. I like Bob and his enthusiasm. The man is in his seventies but can outpace people half his age.

[Dani]

Tell me about it....

At the coach training he was up earlier and went to bed later than all the rest of us. But he still had more energy...

His message is basically the same yes, but he doesn't talk about LoA directly in some of his works, but he presents the action steps for using LoA without actually calling it LoA.

[Elenny]

I am currently reading Bob Proctor's "You Were Born Rich", written in the mid 90s. I like how he dressed up the LoA in more spiritual terms, talking a lot about God.

[dor]

Originally Posted by Elenny

I am currently reading Bob Proctor's "You Were Born Rich", written in the mid 90s. I like how he dressed up the LoA in more spiritual terms, talking a lot about God.

Or the LOA is spirtual thought dressed up in New Age rhetoric. I think the Gita and Bible have a slight jump on the Hicks.

Concerning Ray, he strikes me as phoney.

in another thread I wrote (concerning him using the term "jesus the christ":

however, the origins are not my point, the point is Ray has no idea of the usage or why, he's just trying to sound new agey and spirtual. there's a book 'karma cola' about how hippies ruined a lot india (got kids hooked on drugs, ect) but one point was that new agey types turned krishna into 'doe eye blue pilsbury doughboy' or however Gita Meta acidicly put it. in the same way i think they're trying to spin Christ and turn him into an I-M tool. both deserve better. It just seems shallow and gimmicky.

He also said something about tracing the story of aladdin back to its roots - like he has?! or 'quantum physics proves - like he knows?
i am not saying he has to do first hand research - but i doubt he's even picked up a popular science book like The Elegant Universe, or studied myth to any extent that he honestly knows what he is talking about when he mentions Aladdin. it comes across as fake.

Having done some travel writing in my day, I know that everyone pinches off of everyone else...but James hasn't even bothered to visit the country, so to speak.

He'd be much better not trying to be fake and just stick who his jock approach -then i won't quite winch as hard when i hear 'let's take this metaphor and blow it out a bit'

i just wish these people would be more honest and back up their words, and cut out the fluff.... because when they don't they come across as phony.

If you asked "how do bring light to this room" and one person said "utilize principles of eletromagenation to implement filament based spherical electromagnetic radiation wavelength....

and another said 'flip on the light switch, and if there isn't a light, get one"

who would you take seriously.
Ray strikes me the first speaker.

[Antiventurecapital]

Originally Posted by Elenny

I am currently reading Bob Proctor's "You Were Born Rich", written in the mid 90s. I like how he dressed up the LoA in more spiritual terms, talking a lot about God.

Bob is great. Brain Tracy is pretty good too. Of the Secret crew, the best, IMHO, are Ray, Assaraf, & Proctor, probably because they are the most corporate and really emphasize the need for action. The Feng Shui chick and Joe Vitale are not my cup of tea.

They are basically all saying the same thing so it really comes down to presentation style and what motivates you.

Thank goodness for the wide selection.

[renie408]

Originally Posted by dor

If you asked "how do bring light to this room" and one person said "utilize principles of eletromagenation to implement filament based spherical electromagnetic radiation wavelength....

and another said 'flip on the light switch, and if there isn't a light, get one"

who would you take seriously.
Ray strikes me the first speaker.

Yeah, but the first guy would be really impressive and intimidating.

Doesn't it all pretty much come down to personal preference? I have so far read The Law of Attraction by some poor guy whose name I can't remember, The Master Key, by some other poor guy whose name I can't remember, Attractor Factor by Joe Vitale, two books by Abraham/Hicks, Lynn Grabhorn's "Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting", Eckhart Tolle's "The Power Of Now" and Wayne Dyer's "The Power of Intention" and ....something about 'spiritual manifestation'. The title of that last one is eluding me right now (I am too lazy to get up and go find it). There were parts of all of these books which resonated with me. And parts which made me think, "Oh, boy, somebody needs to stay out of the kool-aid!". Actually, The Law of Attraction by the guy I can't remember was the least woo woo of all of them and seemed very practical to me. I am in the middle of the Eckhart Tolle book and I have to say, while I find it oddly depressing, it makes a lot of sense, but it mostly reminds me of buddhism slightly reworked. I might find it depressing because I have it as an audio book and Tolle's voice is a little weird and slow and, well, depressing. That and the fact that he keeps warning me that the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

Joe Vitale's book read like a really long commercial. REALLY long. I actually just lost interest. I think he has so many cross promotions going on he can't even tell where the book ends and the advertising begins. I like the Abraham/Hicks stuff. I have a hard time buying that Esther is channeling anybody, but I don't really care HOW she gets the information, just that she is getting it and passing it on.

I haven't read any James Arthur Ray, but I think that is because the stuff of his that I have seen has focused on using the LOA in business and I am mostly interested in it for personal development right now. Same thing with Bob Proctor.

Anyway, I think different approaches are going to appeal to different people. I don't mind, precisely, that these people want to make money from their knowledge and salesmanship abilities. I just prefer the way some of them are selling it more than others.

[dor]

Originally Posted by renie408

Joe Vitale's book read like a really long commercial. REALLY long. I actually just lost interest. I think he has so many cross promotions going on he can't even tell where the book ends and the advertising begins. I like the Abraham/Hicks stuff. I have a hard time buying that Esther is channeling anybody, but I don't really care HOW she gets the information, just that she is getting it and passing it on.

I agree about Vitale's book its an article expanded into a book but just fluffed with self promotion. It's insulting, and he' s not even a good writer.

regarding hicks - yeah - i listened to their CD/mp3 introduction - he asked 'her' it, whatever 'Abraham what CD would you recommend for people just starting out'

I just rolled my eyes at that point. Wow Abraham channeling from the other side to recommend which CDs to buy....
I think they, she, it, whatever, have some good points in their writing but it's not my style.

I guess that's why there are so many different authors - but perhaps in a crowded field, some people, like Ray are just trying to dress themselves up to current trends.

As i said, if he just used his natural style and didn't try to talk about thinks he really doesn't know a lot about , or would study those things first, I'd take him more seriously, though he's still not my cup of tea.