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03-01-2007, 10:53 PM
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 |  James Arthur Ray
Has anyone taken any courses with this guy? Of all the people in The Secret, I liked him and Bob Proctor best. I have some of Bob's stuff which is pretty dated now and was curious about Ray's courses. Has anyone attended his seminars or bought the home study kit? |
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03-01-2007, 10:59 PM
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"Science" of Succes and a white Hollywood smile.... Well, I don't know. My intution says no. I've done some research on him yes  but my conclusion was that it will not be worth spending my time and/or money on this. Most of it seems to duplicate things Pavlina and others have written about.
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03-01-2007, 11:03 PM
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I think I'm attracted to his stuff because my eyes are always scanning the Net for examples of effective sales pitches, and his are pretty good. | |
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03-01-2007, 11:04 PM
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The "Science of Success" is a few years old. I'm surprised that is what is being advertised on this forum. James Ray's "Harmonic Wealth" stuff is fairly new and a lot more powerful, and that is what he is promoting on his own website. My hunch is that this "Science of Success" program is being sold by someone else besides James Ray. |
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03-01-2007, 11:06 PM
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03-01-2007, 11:21 PM
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A few weeks ago I evaluated an extended version of James Ray's Science of Success course. This includes the 6-CD audio program, a workbook, a book, and an extensive online course with audio and videos clips. It took me a few days to go through the whole thing. It also comes with a free teleseminar and some free tickets for one of his events. I thought the first CD contained too much basic introductory material (like most programs I evaluate). But on the 2nd CD and beyond he began providing much meatier content that was well organized into distinct rules and principles, and he provided abundant stories and examples of how to apply them. Most of the ideas weren't new to me, and I know the concepts work because I'm already applying them. I really liked the way he presented and packaged them though, especially the stories and examples he used to illustrate them and his enthusiastic voice. I especially liked the 6th CD where he provided a walkthrough of his typical day, explaining how he applies the ideas as part of his daily routine. That actually motivated me to make some changes to my own routine. Overall I liked the program, and when I asked myself if this was going to benefit people above and beyond topics I've already written about here, I had to say, "Yes, I expect it will." The program isn't merely about the Law of Attraction -- it's more about how to align yourself with various laws, including the LoA, to create a successful and happy life all around. It reminded me of Tony Robbins' Personal Power II program, but with a bit more structure and better organization. So it was a fairly easy decision for me to opt to recommend it here. I already mentioned it in my newsletter and will write about it in the blog in a few days. Plus you'll see the ads for this program running across the site. The particular version of the course I reviewed can be found here: Science of Success It includes a free 30-day trial and has an introductory video from Jack Canfield. The free trial gives you immediate access to the online course. My favorite portion of the course was actually the audio program, and second after that would be the videos from the online course. Plain text just doesn't convey James' contagious enthusiasm like his voice does. One of my litmus tests for a good program is whether I'm still thinking about it a week after going through it. Most programs are highly forgettable. This is one where I'm still thinking about the ideas and looking over the several pages of notes I took. Again, most of the ideas in this program aren't new, but James has a great way of presenting them in such a way that you'll actually be motivated to apply them rather than just moving straight on to the next program. |
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03-01-2007, 11:31 PM
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About four years ago, a friend took T Harv Eker's Millionaire Mind Intensive seminar and it apparently help him out in a big way. He claimed that his income tripled over the next year. I wasn't willing to pay the $1250 fee but ended up buying an official CD recording of the seminar on eBay for $65 just out of curiosity. Eker sells the CD version for $850. The CD version was okay, but I would have been one ticked off customer if I had bought it for the retail price of $850. |
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03-01-2007, 11:34 PM
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However that 6th CD sounds interesting. Care to sell it? | |
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03-05-2007, 01:51 AM
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Which Bob Proctor ones have you got? I have a copy of all his seminar kits. Multiple copies in fact  I would be willing to trade one/some of them. All the rest of my stuff is in a big shipping crate in Australia so not much good to either of us. (I am in Japan) |
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03-06-2007, 06:29 PM
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Antiventurecapital, I'm afraid I am not interested in bidding for your old CD's but I would be interested to know if the basic message of Bob Proctor's old course that you have is the same as what he pushes in "The Secret"? Did he always know and sell "The Secret" (even if it was known by some other name) or did he only learn it recently?
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03-06-2007, 06:35 PM
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03-06-2007, 11:26 PM
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Tell me about it.... At the coach training he was up earlier and went to bed later than all the rest of us. But he still had more energy...  His message is basically the same yes, but he doesn't talk about LoA directly in some of his works, but he presents the action steps for using LoA without actually calling it LoA. |
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03-07-2007, 06:10 PM
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Concerning Ray, he strikes me as phoney. in another thread I wrote (concerning him using the term "jesus the christ": however, the origins are not my point, the point is Ray has no idea of the usage or why, he's just trying to sound new agey and spirtual. there's a book 'karma cola' about how hippies ruined a lot india (got kids hooked on drugs, ect) but one point was that new agey types turned krishna into 'doe eye blue pilsbury doughboy' or however Gita Meta acidicly put it. in the same way i think they're trying to spin Christ and turn him into an I-M tool. both deserve better. It just seems shallow and gimmicky. He also said something about tracing the story of aladdin back to its roots - like he has?! or 'quantum physics proves - like he knows? i am not saying he has to do first hand research - but i doubt he's even picked up a popular science book like The Elegant Universe, or studied myth to any extent that he honestly knows what he is talking about when he mentions Aladdin. it comes across as fake. Having done some travel writing in my day, I know that everyone pinches off of everyone else...but James hasn't even bothered to visit the country, so to speak. He'd be much better not trying to be fake and just stick who his jock approach -then i won't quite winch as hard when i hear 'let's take this metaphor and blow it out a bit' i just wish these people would be more honest and back up their words, and cut out the fluff.... because when they don't they come across as phony. If you asked "how do bring light to this room" and one person said "utilize principles of eletromagenation to implement filament based spherical electromagnetic radiation wavelength.... and another said 'flip on the light switch, and if there isn't a light, get one" who would you take seriously. Ray strikes me the first speaker. Last edited by dor; 03-07-2007 at 07:07 PM. | |
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03-07-2007, 06:43 PM
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They are basically all saying the same thing so it really comes down to presentation style and what motivates you. Thank goodness for the wide selection. | |
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03-07-2007, 07:45 PM
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Doesn't it all pretty much come down to personal preference? I have so far read The Law of Attraction by some poor guy whose name I can't remember, The Master Key, by some other poor guy whose name I can't remember, Attractor Factor by Joe Vitale, two books by Abraham/Hicks, Lynn Grabhorn's "Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting", Eckhart Tolle's "The Power Of Now" and Wayne Dyer's "The Power of Intention" and ....something about 'spiritual manifestation'. The title of that last one is eluding me right now (I am too lazy to get up and go find it). There were parts of all of these books which resonated with me. And parts which made me think, "Oh, boy, somebody needs to stay out of the kool-aid!". Actually, The Law of Attraction by the guy I can't remember was the least woo woo of all of them and seemed very practical to me. I am in the middle of the Eckhart Tolle book and I have to say, while I find it oddly depressing, it makes a lot of sense, but it mostly reminds me of buddhism slightly reworked. I might find it depressing because I have it as an audio book and Tolle's voice is a little weird and slow and, well, depressing. That and the fact that he keeps warning me that the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Joe Vitale's book read like a really long commercial. REALLY long. I actually just lost interest. I think he has so many cross promotions going on he can't even tell where the book ends and the advertising begins. I like the Abraham/Hicks stuff. I have a hard time buying that Esther is channeling anybody, but I don't really care HOW she gets the information, just that she is getting it and passing it on. I haven't read any James Arthur Ray, but I think that is because the stuff of his that I have seen has focused on using the LOA in business and I am mostly interested in it for personal development right now. Same thing with Bob Proctor. Anyway, I think different approaches are going to appeal to different people. I don't mind, precisely, that these people want to make money from their knowledge and salesmanship abilities. I just prefer the way some of them are selling it more than others. | |
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03-07-2007, 07:51 PM
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regarding hicks - yeah - i listened to their CD/mp3 introduction - he asked 'her' it, whatever 'Abraham what CD would you recommend for people just starting out' I just rolled my eyes at that point. Wow Abraham channeling from the other side to recommend which CDs to buy.... I think they, she, it, whatever, have some good points in their writing but it's not my style. I guess that's why there are so many different authors - but perhaps in a crowded field, some people, like Ray are just trying to dress themselves up to current trends. As i said, if he just used his natural style and didn't try to talk about thinks he really doesn't know a lot about , or would study those things first, I'd take him more seriously, though he's still not my cup of tea. Last edited by dor; 03-07-2007 at 07:57 PM. | |
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03-07-2007, 07:57 PM
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I appreciated the Abraham/Hicks processes which offered some concrete things you can do to 'raise your vibration'. The hardest part of the book I read was the whole first section which explained how she started channeling. I had to kind of skim through that part. But once it started talking about using the LOA, etc, I got into it. I don't make any judgements about the whole channeling thing, it just creeps me out a little bit. I am open to this being old prejudices on my part, but they are there, so...there you go.
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03-07-2007, 08:02 PM
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I was just listening to a talk by Tolle this morning. He is a rather mousey and uninspiring fellow. Possibly depressing too. You're right about the Buddhist tone to his teachings. I explored Buddhism after deciding that Xianity wasn't for me, and then realized that it wasn't either. Maybe I'm shallow but I like "stuff" and the game of business. Different gurus appeal to different market. Proctor, Assaraf, Tracy, and Ray appeal to a business market. Go with whoever floats your boat. | |
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03-07-2007, 08:15 PM
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LOL...that was me with Buddhism, too. I like my stuff. **NO, before the rest of you jump on that, I do not worship stuff, I do not like stuff to the exclusion of people, I do not lust after a Z3 (I wouldn't turn one down), and I am a decent human being. Just because I do not want to live in a cardboard box under an overpass does not mean I am spiritually bereft.** | |
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03-07-2007, 08:16 PM
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03-07-2007, 08:40 PM
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Tolle doesn't profess that it's wrong to like your stuff -- stuff is fun! He suggests that identifying with your stuff (or anything else, for that matter) is how people forget who they are. I like his story of the woman on her deathbed who was horribly worried that her maid had stolen her diamond ring. Tolle asked her: when do you think you'll be ready to let it go? And me, when I wonder why people are focusing on the junk, it's not because I think it's wrong to want junk. It just seems limiting to me to stop there and not to examine the real desire that lays under your stufflust. For that reason, I like the Hicks' approach in spite of the "channeling of Abraham." |
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03-07-2007, 11:14 PM
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I can respect that. In fact, I agree with it totally. This is something I have worked to instill in my kids. They are not their stuff. No matter what kind of stuff they have, it doesn't say anything about them. The amount and monetary value of the stuff you have is not a good way to keep score in life. The amount of joy you bring to others and the amount of good you do is better. | |
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03-08-2007, 01:21 AM
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I actually started getting into PD only in 2003. In fact, I remember the month - Feb 2003. I still remember standing in the PD section of the bookstore, feeling a little foolish, because I had the notion that people who needed PD were dysfunctional, ineffective weirdos. My first book was a Brian Tracy book. After reading it, I felt that indeed, people who needed PD were indeed dysfunctional, ineffective weirdos and furthermore they were highly unrealistic and suckers for hyperbole. Nevertheless, having paid good money for my Brian Tracy book, I felt that I should try to extract some value for my money. Even though the book was filled with wild exaggerations (like how you could double your income in two years etc etc), I thought that I must at least sieve through the garbage, find a few useful ideas, just a few, and try them out. I did. To my surprise, they worked. My monthly salary has slightly more than tripled since Feb 2003 - this excludes my bonuses which have grown so much I don't even want to mention. It isn't just about work & money - the book had ideas that have helped many other areas of my life. This is the book that started it all, for me:  .... and along the way, I discovered many other PD ideas, authors and resources. And eventually, LOA. I recently flipped through this book again (in 2007). How things have changed, in 4 years! It no longer feels to me like it's filled with hyperbole and exaggeration. To me, it now just feels like a book filled with a lot of common sense & good, practical ideas. There are so many things mentioned in the book now, that I do more or less by habit, such as regularly writing down my goals, creating a plan of action, and regularly reviewing my life as a whole to make sure that there's balance. I guess sometimes if you think that a certain PD author / book is not for you, you're right. There are two possible reasons. One is that you've passed that stage. The other is that you're not ready yet. Last edited by Acting Like Godot; 03-08-2007 at 01:24 AM. | |
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