Landmark Education?

[NicB]

Howdy folkes,

So i was talking to my mum tonight over dinner, and she brought up this 3 day course thing that her millionaire friend (lol) recommended to her called 'Landmark Education'.

She described it to me with a healthy mix with excitement and skepticism. From what she described, it sounds pretty awesome, and i'm taken back at the fact that she is actually considering it (not one to step out of her comfort zone). Since i have a bit of background on personal and spiritual development concepts, from what she was describing it sounded pretty legit. It all sounds pretty good but i want to get some unbias opinions from the good people in this forum about it. When i typed "landmark education " into google, the drop down menu suggested words like scam, cult, criticism, brainwashing and scientology, lol (among other more positive words too, but still). So before i encourage mum into doing it, i want to make sure i'm not getting her into a cult!

If this thread gets positive reviews about it, i'll recommend it to her, maybe pay for some of it if it helps push her. If i find that i REALLY believe in it, i might even do it myself.

So, have you heard about this thing before?
Or better yet, have you done it yet?
What are your thoughts on it?
Do you recommend it?
Any info you can give about it?

The more replies about this the better!

-Nic.

[Kindred]

I'm getting terrible vibes looking at their site and reading stories from people in it. My intuition is screaming no.

I'll research it a bit deeper and get back to you with some facts.

[spirit4711]

I didn't do Landmark but similar trainings at http://www.csaeurope.com/csaeurope/ (in Dutch). I got a lot out of it. It can be quite confrontational, which was very good for me (and for others I talked with).

I've talked to some Landmark graduates. Comparing our experiences the trainings are similar but not the same.

For these type of trainings lots of negative experiences can be found on the internet. The negative experiences I have read about CSA were often by people who did not do the training.

[Angela]

Landmark Forum, and the Advanced Course (which is the second of three weekend trainings that make up the main "curriculum") marked the beginning of a new period for me of power, joy, abundance, and fun that simply was not available to me before that.

It's one of the most valuable things I've ever done, and I wish I had done it much earlier in my life, like when I was a teenager -- it would have made a huge difference. On the Wednesday before the Advanced Course I was the most shy person in the world, and the following Monday, I couldn't find a trace of shyness in me.... and now I can barely even remember what being shy felt like. That's just one of the huge positive differences it made for me, and the techniques I learned in there are ongoing -- I keep using them in my life all the time.

I highly recommend it.

[Robou]

Just looked over the website and checked out a few videos on youtube about landmark education and I cant believe I have never heard of this before!....I'm very interested in hearing from anyone who has been through this....either positive or negative....Angela I would love to hear more about your experience...

[Plato]

Originally Posted by Angela

On the Wednesday before the Advanced Course I was the most shy person in the world, and the following Monday, I couldn't find a trace of shyness in me.... and now I can barely even remember what being shy felt like. That's just one of the huge positive differences it made for me, and the techniques I learned in there are ongoing -- I keep using them in my life all the time.

How? How is that possible?
I mean, what the heaven did they say to you?!

Was this something that had been brewing in you for a long time before that the AC suddenly catalysed or was it literally just what you learned there?

I mean, obviously it's a combination of both - you have to be a human being to attend and that takes some brewing but to what extent was this the factor?

[jacqjolie]

I did the Landmark Forum back in 2004. I have only done the initial course, not moved on to the advanced or other seminars, so am not technically a "Landmarkian."

I received a HUGE amount of benefit in the course, particularly in the areas of income, compassion for others, and myself.

It was the best $500 I've ever spent.

What CAN end up happening is that people will take the course, then end up realizing that they're in the wrong relationship or job or whatever and the course will give them the realization that their life matters so they can move on from that. Of course, many (probably most) decide to stay in their relationships and really work on them in a committed way, something they've never done before.

I've spent plenty of time on the Rick Ross forum which defines Landmark as a cult where there's lots of bleating about how Landmark has wrecked marriages etc.. It's like watching the news, it's much more exciting to read about the .01% of relationships that broke up because one of the spouses took the Forum. Those relationships were probably over already in theory if not in fact.

What some people find disconcerting is that the training will produce confusion in most cases. As has been proven with NLP, that state of confusion is actually very conducive to learning new concepts at a very deep level.

Because Landmark is highly experiential, you get the opportunity to observe how you show up in the world. I'm not sure how self-knowledge is a bad thing.

The one thing that can end up happening that gives it the cult reputation is because the courses are really quite cheap to attend compared to those of comparable value, the program relies on people who have taken the course signing up other people. This isn't something you have to buy into, and if you don't believe in the value of it, don't sign anybody up. I never did, although I do feel kind of badly about that because I've known so many people that would really benefit from it. It's like having a wonderful book that you don't lend out to anyone else because they might think you're weird for liking it as much as you do.

[rabbitfur]

Originally Posted by NicB

So, have you heard about this thing before?
Or better yet, have you done it yet? What are your thoughts on it?
Do you recommend it? Any info you can give about it?

So, have you heard about this thing before?

[ Yes ]

Or better yet, have you done it yet?

[ Yes ]

What are your thoughts on it?

[ Next to the influence and contribution my family was and is to me, "The Landmark Forum" is THE most outstanding and useful thing I have ever done. ]

Do you recommend it?

[ Yes. ]

Any info you can give about it?

[ NicB, is there any specific you would like to know? ]

[negtvenfnty]

You cannot get unbiased information about Landmark. This is because landmark does not allow people to come into the forum as an observer. They are only allowed to stay if they are actively particpating. So you are only left with the information from people who had either a bad experience or a good experience.

I think that is a pretty shaddy practice, but Im sure that those here who loved the forum will disagree. I myself have never been but I have examined what I could find about it from the outside and remain as objective as one can be regarding Landmark Forum. The lack of a third balancing veiw means that I am left with curiousity about the forum and skepticism about their methods.

Originally Posted by NicB

Howdy folkes,

So i was talking to my mum tonight over dinner, and she brought up this 3 day course thing that her millionaire friend (lol) recommended to her called 'Landmark Education'.

She described it to me with a healthy mix with excitement and skepticism. From what she described, it sounds pretty awesome, and i'm taken back at the fact that she is actually considering it (not one to step out of her comfort zone). Since i have a bit of background on personal and spiritual development concepts, from what she was describing it sounded pretty legit. It all sounds pretty good but i want to get some unbias opinions from the good people in this forum about it. When i typed "landmark education " into google, the drop down menu suggested words like scam, cult, criticism, brainwashing and scientology, lol (among other more positive words too, but still). So before i encourage mum into doing it, i want to make sure i'm not getting her into a cult!

If this thread gets positive reviews about it, i'll recommend it to her, maybe pay for some of it if it helps push her. If i find that i REALLY believe in it, i might even do it myself.

So, have you heard about this thing before?
Or better yet, have you done it yet?
What are your thoughts on it?
Do you recommend it?
Any info you can give about it?

The more replies about this the better!

-Nic.

[negtvenfnty]

Here is a video that condenses some of the negative blowback regarding the forum. It pretty much says much of the same things that I have said about it here...I feel validated that I am not the only one.

I do not endorse atheism, which itself is a cult of non-belief, but I do endorse rationality.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

It makes reference to a documentary called "Journy to The Land of the New Gurus", which is a French documentary, where the Forum has been officialy banned from operation as a cult. It might be the only unbiased source of info available about the Forum. Seems it got inside footage with hidden cameras. I will be watching this video soon. Here is a man talking about the documentary.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

The bottom line is that this(Landmark) is simply religion repackaged without God...same mindcontroll techniques to create submission to authority.

I know I said Im curious but the alarm is loud in my mind regarding this. Danger, soul and resource stealing mind scrambler ahead!

[rabbitfur]

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

The bottom line is that this(Landmark) is simply religion repackaged without God...same mindcontroll techniques to create submission to authority.!

negtvenfnty,

I am curious.

Since you admit to have no direct experience with Landmark Education, no history with Landmark Education and seemingly no desire to do The Landmark Forum anytime soon, what pulls or attracts you to promote yourself as an expert and a person who should be taken seriously and listened to about what The Landmark Forum is?

Why are you are lobbying to influence people about what The Landmark Forum is, and why do you seem to want to ensure, in this situation, that your views on this subject, that you have no investment in, are noted?

I know that it is acceptable to do that by most internet message board standards, I just dont understand why or see the value to others in doing so?

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by rabbitfur

...
I know that it is acceptable to do that my most internet message board standards, I just dont understand why?

Possible explanations:
- trolling
- being seen as (self-proclaimed) expert is gratifying
- wanting to be right and evangelising
- wanting attention
- fear of the unknown
- an interest in doing Landmark

or a combination of the above.

[rabbitfur]

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

It makes reference to a documentary called "Journy to The Land of the New Gurus", which is a French documentary, where the Forum has been officialy banned from operation as a cult. It might be the only unbiased source of info available about the Forum. Seems it got inside footage with hidden cameras. I will be watching this video soon. Here is a man talking about the documentary.

"Journey to The Land of the New Gurus" is opportunistic TMZ tabloid shock TV, designed to sell a story and look a certain way. Take some guerrilla footage of anyone or anything, (obtained it without permission), shoot it from a shoddy dark "shoe cam", edit it and show bits and pieces out of context, add scary music and foreboding commentary and look for "experts" who want to be on TV to comment on it (there is NEVER a shortage of those kinds of "experts"), and you can basically make anyone or anything look ANY way you want.

It is notable that the people (participants) who were filmed (without their permission) in that fictional tabloid piece and who were portrayed as being victimized when they were being coached in The Landmark Forum, were actually, if anything, being "victimized" by the camera crew and proponents behind that tabloid piece, and said people stated unequivocally that they were misrepresented in the tabloid piece, and taken out of context.

It is not rocket science, "Journey to The Land of the New Gurus" is not a considerate, balanced or fair or reliable resource. That people site that quality of media do so to promote an agenda. Lies and controversy is what sells on TV. What media savvy person would ever argue that that is not the case?

[rabbitfur]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

Possible explanations:
- trolling
- being seen as (self-proclaimed) expert is gratifying
- wanting to be right and evangelising
- wanting attention
- fear of the unknown
- an interest in doing Landmark

or a combination of the above.

Internet message boards and You Tube has created an opportunity for people and their avatars to become vocal and "experts" and celebrities in their own minds and talk endlessly about anything off the tops of their heads, whether it is something they have paid their dues and earned or just some passing thought or something they know nothing about, just because they can and because there is no consequences to their phantom identity.

If they had to be accountable for their words or if Barrack Obama was going to put them solely in charge of the topic they were talking about and they were now in position to actually decide what happened and, my guess is that they would choose their words much more carefully and probably not open their mouth at all.

It seems to me that it is the total lack of accountability that is attractive to phantom internet "experts".

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by rabbitfur

It seems to me that it is the total lack of accountability that is attractive to phantom internet "experts".

Agreed. Which is why I give people the benefit of the doubt, until I decide 'Troll alert!' and I stop communicating with them. I can recommend that strategy. I'm an expert on it.

[negtvenfnty]

I did not say I was an expert, I said that I am able to be objective regarding the forum, of the claims people make about it, precisely because I have not attended. I decided to find out all I could about it before I formed an opinion, rather than make my descissions based on the emtional reaction induced the marketing techniques of the recent graduates. That by deffinition is objectivity.

Originally Posted by rabbitfur

negtvenfnty,

I am curious.

Since you admit to have no direct experience with Landmark Education, no history with Landmark Education and seemingly no desire to do The Landmark Forum anytime soon, what pulls or attracts you to promote yourself as an expert and a person who should be taken seriously and listened to about what The Landmark Forum is?

Why are you are lobbying to influence people about what The Landmark Forum is, and why do you seem to want to ensure, in this situation, that your views on this subject, that you have no investment in, are noted?

I know that it is acceptable to do that by most internet message board standards, I just dont understand why or see the value to others in doing so?

[negtvenfnty]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

Possible explanations:
- trolling
- being seen as (self-proclaimed) expert is gratifying
- wanting to be right and evangelising
- wanting attention
- fear of the unknown
- an interest in doing Landmark

or a combination of the above.

Is that why you post here sprit, because you are trolling, want to be right in your evangelical attitude toward landmark, that you want attention...do you fear my perspective because it is unknown to you, because you do not share it? Maybe its a combination of the above.

You dont like me because I am rocking your boat and shaking up your paradigm...like I said, reactions are fully expected.

[negtvenfnty]

Originally Posted by rabbitfur

Why are you are lobbying to influence people about what The Landmark Forum is, and why do you seem to want to ensure, in this situation, that your views on this subject, that you have no investment in, are noted?

Perhaps for the same reason you do. But mostly it is for the reason I have metioned above. I am endorsing rationality, and I do percieve landmark, just like christianity and fundametalism religions, as a threat to rationality.

[rabbitfur]

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

I decided to find out all I could about it before I formed an opinion, rather than make my descissions based on the emtional reaction induced the marketing techniques of the recent graduates. That by definition is objectivity.

And did you find out ALL that you could by googling a small handful of passionately anti-LGAT websites on the internet? Where is the balance or the rigor? Where is the fact checking for accuracy?

And is collecting one sided opinions from strangers on the internet and collecting one sided "evidence" to promote a bias you already have what we call "objectivity"?

negtvenfnty, what of the millions of graduates and customers of est and Landmark Education? To name only a few, what of Reebok, Lulu Lemon, Microsoft, Harvard and Rochester University and other notable business schools, the Chinese government, the LA police department, Native Americans and Maori communities in New Zealand, professors and scholars of distinction , priests and nuns and lay people in Northern Ireland, entire mining communites in South Africa who took on transforming their lives and their communities in partneship with Landmark Education and also just every day average citizins who make a choice after much thought and consideration to take a program with Landmark Education and then with their senses intact, acknowledge the experience as having been unique and valuable to them .....

.... Could they all be saps? All duped? All zombies? All conned? All victims? All these people just not as savvy as yourself and a few other phantom internet identities?

Or is it just a select vunerable few who are smaller, weaker and not as savvy as yourself who got duped, conned and victimized by the evildoers out there?

[marktywharton]

Originally Posted by NicB

So, have you heard about this thing before?
Or better yet, have you done it yet?
What are your thoughts on it?
Do you recommend it?
Any info you can give about it?

The more replies about this the better!

-Nic.

First of all I want to answer your question. I am not interested in reading what anyone else has said until after I have posted so if I overlap with any other replies I apologise, I simply don't want to read them in case they influence my response. I will read them when I have finished.

I did the forum in 1999 and was confronted with a similar conversation about Landmark being a cult (or worse). I come from the New Forest in England and people there are obsessed with Witchcraft. I seem to recall a concern that the person leading the course was an alien and he was stealing my soul. I dicussed this with another person from the New Forest who was having a similar thought process. You have no idea what the media has put in your mind by the way. Mythology abound, faeries, ghosts, zombies...

I guess I am saying it is a cult if you need it to be. Some people need an excuse to avoid dealing with their life and someone with extreme problems will create an extreme (yet plausable in this society) solution to that.

By definition, Christianity is a cult, or network TV or schooling.

In comparison, I think Landmark Education is a fairly safe place to play.

My experience was I participated in a lot of their programs for around two years, then decided to go about my life and see how their program performed for me in my life.

Nobody has ever chased me or harrased me. There is nowhere to stay in any case. This is a three day course with one of around fifty trainers not an ashram. There is no leader. I understand the employees own the company.

To qualify what I said, I can take personal responsibility for saying some very negative things about Landmark Education in the past. To put that in context, my experience is that I would rather say something negative about one of the courses than confront my own demons.

Check in with people who are saying negative things about Landmark.

Ask them some basic questions.

Most important "are you speaking from personal experience" if they haven't been on the course, they aren't reporting on the facts. Heresay isn't always valuable in decision making. Simple as that.

Also find out if they completed the course.

Ask if they resolved the complaint they had or they still hold their negative opinion. By the way, I resolved my complaint by doing a course with another company and having some therapy.

Enquire as to what circumstance would have a person continue to hold a negative opinion.

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that you consider that the course is designed for people who are well.

Some people substitute the course for therapy, despite being advised not to. Some still get great value. Some rant on the Internet :-)

In any of the above scenarios confronting the things which stop you in life can make you at the very least annoyed. People's issues want to survive the course. Some people's do.

So let's see about those questions.

By the way, your mother will do what she wants to do :-)

>So, have you heard about this thing before?

Yes.

>Or better yet, have you done it yet?

Yes, I did it in 1999. My teenage daughter is going to do it in July. I retook the course in 2009 to make sure it was something that would be suitable for her. I really enjoyed it this time around because I got to see that my life works much better in the areas where I apply what I learned from this course. It was sort of comforting to find that out.

>What are your thoughts on it?

It is a very useful look at and an interesting take on what it is to be human.

>Do you recommend it?

Yes.

>Any info you can give about it?

The people I know who have done this course do life a different way.

I am going to illustrate this by telling you about an airplane journey I had when I was working with bands in the late nineties, early two thousands.

I sat down next to this woman and made a comment about something.

While airplanes and Americans are generally more friendly than tube trains and British people, she responded with an openness you wouldn't normally expect from a fellow traveller.

After chatting for a while I went out on a limb and asked "have you done the Landmark Forum".

She had.

What followed was deep and profound conversation. The kind of conversation you only ever have with a best friend. Someone you have known years. I am not saying I am candid with all the strangers I meet. I am saying that people who have done the forum have a capacity to share their hearts more fully, more deeply, more passionately.

So much so, my work colleagues were intrigued.

Some of them thought she was my sister.

Some were convinced we knew one another prior to meeting.

We actually switched seats and chatted on the plane.

When the plane landed we said our goodbyes and still email one another from time to time to this day.

What I have with women perhaps that I didn't have before, is they are not sex objects. I had no interest in her as a prospect. I was interested in her humanity.

I wasn't trying to survive a conversation about if I should fu*k her or not.

We were simply two human beings sharing our lives.

She told me some cool stuff.

I wish things like that could happen every day.

If your mum does the forum, I have no doubt she will want you to do it.

But if you really want to recommend something, do it first.

Life is not about survival it is about freedom and adventure.

Meeting other people who are free is amazing.

I went from hating everything about me and my life to a much more peaceful place.

Right now I am having a complete blast writing books and reinventing myself.

Life takes an infinite number of curious turns.

Hope that is useful. My opinion of course carries my experiential bias LOL.

Let's see what everyone else said now.

I tend to start fires and get thrown off forums :-)

Cheers

Mark

[marktywharton]

Originally Posted by jacqjolie

There's lots of bleating about how Landmark has wrecked marriages etc.

I eventually divorced my wife some time after doing the Landmark Forum.

Ironically even though I had wanted to leave for years, I created a story about Landmark wrecking my marriage.

I was afraid my parents would think I was a failure for not staying married as long as they have and needed someone to blame.

Having created my partner as the evil wrong doer, I almost got away with it.

Only I had to live with it.

People who bleat about Landmark ultimately have some lie they are trying to hide. Plain and simple. People can't BE with themselves and need someone or something to blame.

And that's what it is all about.

If you are courageous and want to experience an amazing life get yourself on the forum.

Mediocre complaining cowards need not apply.

And don't bother attacking me over it, this is not up for discussion.

Having been both I am qualified to make the statement.

Namaste

Mark

[marktywharton]

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

The bottom line is that this(Landmark) is simply religion repackaged without God...same mindcontroll techniques to create submission to authority.

Wow - you are more insane about this than I was...

It's a self development course, that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. Landmark's agenda is to provide courses. And it is a business.

Mind control and submission to authority - I did it eleven years ago and they ain't gonna tell me what to do LOL

If it were brainwashing I could trudge around carrying the leaders slippers.

This conversation is bloody stupid!

I am going to bed.

Mark

[negtvenfnty]

Originally Posted by marktywharton

Wow - you are more insane about this than I was...
Mark

"People who experience extreme adversity aren’t crazy.
We know something!" - Mark Ty Wharton

[negtvenfnty]

I just watched the Journey To the Land of the New Gurus, the French documentary about he cult nature and brainwashing allegations against Landmark Forum.

Tabloid shock video? Nah, more like the French version of 20/20.

Cult Help and Information - Inside Landmark Forum (video)

All I can say folks is stop doing what you falsely accuse me of doing, cherry picking my perceptions. I have done alot more reading and video watching aside from the few things I have posted here, starting with the Landmark website. The perspective that I offer to you here is just the one that I have opined to consider to most likely be correct.

This video is as much of an outside, objective view of Landmark as you are going to find.

Good luck to all of you, best wishes.

[marktywharton]

Everything about the video is designed to be as damning of Landmark as possible.

The "cherry picked" footage from the room is taken totally out of context.

If you believe everything in the media you have a problem LOL

[marktywharton]

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

"People who experience extreme adversity aren’t crazy.
We know something!" - Mark Ty Wharton

Just so you know the context of that statement is:

I have been diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, it doesn't mean I am crazy.

In coming to terms with my diagnosis I discovered something important about me.

Want to know what IT is?

Let's play tag.

You're IT - LOL

[rabbitfur]

Originally Posted by marktywharton

People who bleat about Landmark ultimately have some lie they are trying to hide. Plain and simple. People can't BE with themselves and need someone or something to blame.

And that's what it is all about.

In general, around my own insufferable finger pointing and bleating ways, I have never once found what you are saying to not be the case. Not once.

[negtvenfnty]

How does it make any difference that they were filmed without their permission? It is an investigative report into an organization that DOES NOT ALLOW open and objective outside scrutiny. The only way to get footage is by hidden camera.

All indentities of the participants were protected, you would know that if you watched, or did you even bother to watch? Are you just spouting a bunch of assumptions about somthing which you have no true knowledge?

Why dont you address why Landmark goes to such lengths to close its doors to all but participants? Why not allow anyone who wishes to observe come in a watch quietly from the back of the room? It is because they do not want objective scrutiny applied to what they are doing there? Thier tactics rely on everyone being in a vaulnerable state.

While we are talking about sources rabbit, the only sources you can seem to bring to bear are your own testimonials, testimonials from graduates or the Forum itself. Is that unbiased and objective in your mind? If it is then we have no need to further discuss anything because you clearly have no rational objectivity.

I have given anyone who reads this thread more than enough of a starting point to find out all of the available information on this thing called landmark.

Your vehement denial of all evidence to the contrary of your brainwashed zealot state is disgusting and frightening rabbit. I hope it outlines to the rational observer just how deeply these Landmark people get into your mind. I feel for you, and I hope you can break out of that spell.

Originally Posted by rabbitfur

......Journey To the Land of the New Gurus is pure garbage. Simple as that. I am wondering why you chose not to adress the FACT that the participants that were captured on film by this creep with a "shoe-cam" , filmed without their permission, called that footage distorted and out of context and misrepresented what actually went on in that Landmark Forum. If anything, the participants that were videotaped without their permission and then used as things and displayed on TV in this hatch job "show" were actually "victimized" by these tabloid papparazzi. Your research is one sided negtvenfnty and your comments mostly not accurate.

[rabbitfur]

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

negtvenfnty

The point of view you embody belongs to you.

[marktywharton]

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

Are you just spouting a bunch of assumptions about somthing which you have no true knowledge?

No, I watched the entire film. I have also actually met the forum leader who is in the film. He is a really dedicated and caring guy. I think you should take into account this forum leader is there with the participants for the entire course as well as up to an hour before and afterwards helping people with the material and he actually appears to have given up his break to make sure the woman was okay and that she hadn't taken what he was trying to get through to her in the wrong way.

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

Why dont you address why Landmark goes to such lengths to close its doors to all but participants? Why not allow anyone who wishes to observe come in a watch quietly from the back of the room?

For exactly the same reason I wouldn't expect to be able to walk into Cambridge University and sit at the back of the room and watch quietly. If you really want the inside scoop DO THE COURSE.

Thing is, most journalists who do the course (not the ones trying to dig up dirt who are not really participating) end up singing its prasies.

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

It is because they do not want objective scrutiny applied to what they are doing there? Thier tactics rely on everyone being in a vaulnerable state.

Are you talking about the government here or the media???

Turn your fu*king TV off - that's more likely to put you in a vulnerable state. Go and read the person who started the thread's blog - most inspirational thing I have read so far this year - right on the money...

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

I have given anyone who reads this thread more than enough of a starting point to find out all of the available information on this thing called landmark.

The Rick Ross website is brilliant. I went through a period of concern that I was involved in a cult. When you make comparison's between Landmark Education and cults, or even other organisations accused of cult like activities, it is reassuringly clear to any intelligent human being that Landmark offer an education program.

Originally Posted by negtvenfnty

I feel for you, and I hope you can break out of that spell.

In my case, I wish I was in a damn spell and did not have to be responsible for my life.

You are so far off the mark with your observations of Landmark Education.

Can I recommend a couple of places you look if you really want an experience of sitting in and finding out what goes on.

All the insights and distinctions of the Landmark Forum can be found in an audio book on Amazon.

It is read by Nancy Zapolski, who is a forum leader.

The entire course outline is available as a PDF on the Landmark website.

What you won't get is the sharing of issues, what it is to be a human being and experience of being with 200 other people.

What you won't find out from a book is "they" are all ranting b*ggers, just like you :-)

Not that I want to pick holes in your argument or your life for that matter, I like ranting on forums too, or hadn't you noticed LOL

I wish you well

Mark