Quitting my hog barn job and focus on focus on internet business.

[555]

- I have no family.
- I'm 25 years old.
- I live with my mother (the only person i have in this world).
- Without girlfriend or kids.
- I live my life in a very minimalistic way (We don't spend money on useless things)
- I plan to make a website about the anime fandom / furry fandom / comix fandom
- I plan to make money via affiliation programs.
- I love staying online 24/7.
- My transport of choice is bicycling.
- The site will have boards, blogs, galleries, downloads... much like deviantart.
- I own animation.com and other big domain names that i purchased in 1997
- I stay in touch with technology. (Own latest Apple computers).

Im planing to quit my ♥♥♥♥♥♥ job and stay at home making the following:

- Web-designing
- Advertising
- Art Commissions
- Web hosting
- Allowing porn arts (if possible)
- Selling arts
- Building mascot suits (Fursuits)
- 2D/3D arts.
- Auctions.
... and more ?

Am i ready?

Being self employed is good for some people, disastrous for others. I need to be the type of person who is comfortable with risk over security, who can form a vision and stick with it (and the vision should not simply 'be self employed')

I've been working in a hog barn. Not only was there ALOT of fecal matter but to kill the sick pigs we had to bash their heads against the floor til they died. One time i had to kill so many that the hall and ceiling an I were all covered in blood. WORST job ever PERIOD.

I quit the damn job and Im going to focus on internet business.

[Mike75]

I think you are making the right decision by quitting the job. Nobody wants to see dead animals lying around first thing in the morning.

But get ready to face a lot of insecuirity and anxiety in the internet job.

BEST OF LUCK!!!!

[craigwanderer]

Originally Posted by 555

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I've been working in a hog barn. Not only was there ALOT of fecal matter but to kill the sick pigs we had to bash their heads against the floor til they died. One time i had to kill so many that the hall and ceiling an I were all covered in blood. WORST job ever PERIOD.

Good for you for quitting 555, work like that hurts your soul. Now you have a chance to repair it.

[555]

Originally Posted by Mike75

But get ready to face a lot of insecuirity and anxiety in the internet job.

So i guess i have to think positive and be courageous.

Right now, I'm unemployed, and working on becoming self employed. I want to be. My government wants people like me to be, and throws grant money at us left and right. To put it in perspective okay, I can receive grant money while drawing unemployment.

I got friends who went through similar **** as me, bouncing from job to job and place to place, none of it having anything to do with whatever we trained to do and a lot of it actually impeding that. But it's like, a lot of us don't want to basically receive workfare if we can't create something viable, sustainable and realistically achievable, and we're not quite sure how to do that.

I'm probably the only one racking his brain day and night to figure out how before I take the plunge though. I want to be one of the guys that pulls it off, so I can show others how to do the same. Nova Scotians can't all work in ****ing call centers and fisheries or something, and frankly, it runs contrary to our culture for the most part. We are renowned in this country for being a passionate, giving and down to earth people (yes, I called us a people, because we are). I need to figure out what really says that to the rest of Canada, and most importantly, to the people who already live here.

We have this huge inferiority complex, and we shouldn't. I gotta help us get over it, for our own sake, and for the people whose lands we've left home to contribute to. We need to become known as they who make others stronger.

It's not any one particular type of person, but there's a lot of people who hate their job, and they take their anger at that job out on practically everyone they come into contact with - and who's that affect most? The people they work with. I've quit jobs I actually liked because of it, and it has to be contributing to this economic mess. I just know it.

The self-destructive bit entails a lot of things. A drug addict and alcoholic often doesn't hold onto their job for very long, but there are functioning addicts out there, and every aspect of their life except their job is a complete joke. But it could be a lot of things, like channeling their anger/stress (and money) into these "self help" books that teach nothing in the way of real solutions, pyramid schemes that make one guy rich and everybody else worse off than when they started, spending too much time on the internet pretending to have all these friends on Facebook, reading up on conspiracy theory ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the same way a cancer patient reads up on cancer, as if that actually puts them more in control of their situation. It doesn't.

They're inevitably putting whatever's eating them on their family/friends, and I know it like I know the sun's gonna rise a few hours from now, that that has a lot to do with why you've got smart, healthy, educated individuals right now doing anything and everything to avoid "a real job". They don't want to become like their parents, and I can no longer say I blame them.

I just wish the government/corporate world was a person, and I could ask them, what's your ****ing endgame, here? When are you just going to drop this charade of "democracy", basically legislate people to work wherever and whenever you tell them to under threat of jail, torture or death, so that we can have a good old fashioned civil war over it, which you'll probably win, and this stupid, childish ****ing game can end?

Originally Posted by craigwanderer

Good for you for quitting 555, work like that hurts your soul. Now you have a chance to repair it.

Im still having nightmares.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by 555

- I have no family.
- I'm 25 years old.
- I live with my mother (the only person i have in this world).

I think most of your post is very positive, but you started out with a statement that sounds like a negative: "I have no family."

Two sentences later you say, "I live with my mother."

If you mean you don't have kids, that's one thing, but you apparently have a family.

[ArthurHung]

Overall, I can really appreciate what you're sharing and what you are doing (especially as a fellow Canadian), it feels like you are definitely leveraging yourself into a better position.

I just wish the government/corporate world was a person

...

Sometimes, I feel that if people, and by this I mean everyone, would ignore organizations and simply accept the different individuals in particular organizations that they are focusing on and accept, trust and love the benefits and growth that these unique individuals are currently bringing and their potential to bring more to the table, it'd be awesome.

go go run on sentences

[555]

The good news is that i don't have debts anymore and i have $10,000.00 in my bank... but i'm still not sure if i should use that money for hosting my site.

My mother told me I chose a highly competitive field to go into

[Cochonette]

I just wish the government/corporate world was a person

I don't know about in Canada, but in the U.S. corporations are persons. Under the law.

What type of pig barn are you working in?

It sounds like you are ready for this. Good luck.

[SatvikBeri]

Originally Posted by 555

The good news is that i don't have debts anymore and i have $10,000.00 in my bank... but i'm still not sure if i should use that money for hosting my site.

My mother told me I chose a highly competitive field to go into

I would start with a more tightly focused niche, and use something like Site Build It at first. You'll almost certainly make money with Site Build It!, and you'll receive an education that will help you a lot if you decide to make a bigger business.

[blossom]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I think most of your post is very positive, but you started out with a statement that sounds like a negative: "I have no family."

Two sentences later you say, "I live with my mother."

If you mean you don't have kids, that's one thing, but you apparently have a family.

I noticed this too! That's horrendous about your day job...I'd need trauma counselling if I did that!

[555]

Originally Posted by SatvikBeri

I would start with a more tightly focused niche, and use something like Site Build It at first. You'll almost certainly make money with Site Build It!, and you'll receive an education that will help you a lot if you decide to make a bigger business.

I think Im going with: Invision Power - Community Forum, Blog, Gallery, CMS, and more - Choose your package



They offer the IP.Board / IP.Blog / IP.Gallery / IP.Downloads in one package + the hosting.

I need something that is very easy to add contents and a bug free website.

Then add:

The Site Build It affiliate program to the list with...
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Apple Store Affiliate Program
BestBuy has a great affiliate program.
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[SatvikBeri]

Here's the thing:

You've never made money online or ran your own business, right?

It's incredibly easy to run a money losing business if you don't know what you're doing, and honestly, it sounds like you're planning to slap a lot of stuff together and hope it works.

It's generally much better to start with something relatively small, learn what works and what doesn't, and test out adding things to your business to make it grow. That way you know exactly what works.

For example, forums tend to be extremely unprofitable by themselves-they cost a lot to maintain, and forum visitors tend not to buy much or click on ads.

Furthermore, most profitable businesses tend to have a few monetization models which work wonders for them. If you're planning to add all those things at once, you'll spend a lot of time on things that just don't work without realizing what really brings in the money.

For example, a friend of mine had 12 websites which she struggled to maintain. She put a lot of time and energy into growing the traffic for the most popular sites. However, when I took over the sites I found that the most popular ones were not earning much, and a few of the others were earning about 80% of the revenues, despite her having put very little effort into them. Guess where I'm focusing my energy right now?

So seriously, start small, and make sure you're paying attention to what works and what doesn't. Try a few things, and examine each of them carefully. You can always add more later, but it's very difficult to scale a site back down, and your money will be lost forever.

-Satvik

[Marko500]

Nice self-analysis, 555

I wish you luck with your goal... I see that you are probably well prepared to achieve that goal.

And for your current job... Hell with that, I really wish you success...

[gene2009]

Three-five,
This is a good place for people who want to start own online business Webmaster Forum - Internet Marketing & Search Engine Forums
It's not cost much to build a website. Of course you shouldn't invest all your money in your online project.

[seanner689]

Good luck 555 ... I just moved to New Brunswick a couple months ago from Ontario, so we're practically neighbours now.

That hosting package seems pretty lofty for someone just starting out. I saw that you mentioned a Bluehost affiliate program ... I used Bluehost, and they have tons of plugins and stuff for a VERY affordable price to start (I think I was paying $5/mo). They allow you to browse around a sample control panel before you buy, so you can take a look at all the tools they have for free if you want.

Is there any place you can point me to as far as the grants go?

[Obay]

You need to think about the negatives too, if you do not have the money and you quit your job? How you going to cope with your new project?

If you quit that means no money that means nothing will happen.

Don't get a credit card, make sure you save up at least $1k to begin with this means you'll have enough spending cash on the luxuries on your website.

Good luck my friend.

[555]

My credit card is free of debts.

Maybe i should go with the Advanced 175 for $119.99/mo

My domain names (animation.com & anim.tv) are registered via DirectNic.

The reason why i want to choose IP.Board is because not only i want to create contents for my website alone but i also want other peoples to create contents to my website.

I want to make a mini-deviantart for the cartoon fans out there where they can post limited size fan-arts and fan-fics… create mini blogs and interact with other fans.

Bluehost on the other hands doesn't have those features that IPS have. $5/mo is a good deal but i don't have the skills to create a board of this quality.

Especialy the IPB combo... I love things that are build-in / all in one... Just like an iMac.

BW: Thank you for that link Gene.

[Brutha]

Maybe i should go with the Advanced 175 for $119.99/mo

At the beginning going with an even lower priced package is probably better.
You could start with their Standard 25 package and upgrade as needed

My mother told me I chose a highly competitive field to go into

What does your mother know about making money on the internet?

Then how are you planning to promote your website?
At the moment your plan doesn't really look like you know what you are doing.

[Obay]

First make a blue print with your website so you know what to do and analyse your compeititors and target how your goig to get there and how long your going to take to get there.

It wont happen over nigh. You can get there easily if you know what yoursoing youshould also consider hiring a SEO to completely know how to adchive your goal

thanks and I hope that helped.

[sv800]

Originally Posted by 555

My credit card is free of debts.

Maybe i should go with the Advanced 175 for $119.99/mo

My domain names (animation.com & anim.tv) are registered via DirectNic.

The reason why i want to choose IP.Board is because not only i want to create contents for my website alone but i also want other peoples to create contents to my website.

I want to make a mini-deviantart for the cartoon fans out there where they can post limited size fan-arts and fan-fics… create mini blogs and interact with other fans.

Bluehost on the other hands doesn't have those features that IPS have. $5/mo is a good deal but i don't have the skills to create a board of this quality.

Especialy the IPB combo... I love things that are build-in / all in one... Just like an iMac.

BW: Thank you for that link Gene.

My 2 cents:
I started like you (shared hosted) soon as my sites started to gain visitors they shut down my accounts because I was taking too many resources...

Think big, if you are serious, look for dedicated or hybrid servers (Hybrids are not so expensive like dedicated servers - I use wired tree dot com).

Also you can have total control of the root account, if you want to perform certain "advanced" tasks.

Good luck in this venture.

[Curtis2011]

After reading this whole thread, I have come to the conclusion that:

1. (Unfortunately,) 555 has no idea how to make money online.

2. Starting off with a regular hosting package, especially one that is $100+/month, is a horrendous waste of money.

3. Unless you know how to get visitors to your website, it will never make you any money and you will just keep burning money on hosting and getting more frustrated until you eventually give up. (happens all the time).

4. I have to kindly suggest that you buy Site Build It, and go from there. In one place, they teach you:

a. Everything you need to know about search engine optimization.
b. How to choose the right topic to make your website about in the first place.
c. How to choose a profitable topic.
d. How to build a website that gets free traffic from the search engines.
e. How to actually make money online with your website, which is something that 95% of website owners have no clue how to do.
f. A lot more that you will only gain from experience using SBI.
g. They also provide all the hosting you will ever need to make money online, all included in the $300/year price tag. The only thing they do not support is high-resolution pictures, or large amounts of audio and video. Since textual content is the big "traffic grabber" from the search engines anyways, you really don't need any of these before you can make money online.

[555]

I think i will have to go with Curtis2011 and Brutha suggestions:

Im going to buy Site Built It (animation.com) and the Standard 25 IPB package (anim.tv) and link them together.

[555]

Hello everyone, I'm back and i finally finished designing my website.

Here it is:



At the moment, i have a partial time job (BestBuy) and i have my iPod touch with me all the times to add contents on my website at work (hoping i don't get cough). I still live with my mother and living the minimalist way as usual.

Here's my plan: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2303181/anim4.png

I pay $9/month with directnic.com.

What do you guys think?

[Manomanman]

Originally Posted by 555

- I own animation.com and other big domain names that i purchased in 1997
- I stay in touch with technology. (Own latest Apple computers).

Build some links and traffic to animation.com and you could make millions on that one domain.

I just quit my job.

Now I blog about blogging and quitting your job and stuff.

Best of luck.

-Jesse

[Talkofthatown919]

animation dot com wow i agree with manomanman about that domain. If it's marketed right it could make you millions.
But the whole point is what are you offering that is valuable?

[Canadian]

Here's what I think might be a really, really good idea (mainly because I have been daydreaming of something like this existing for years):

A website for collaborative animation.

The reason why I think it is a good idea can basically be summed like so: animation today sucks, especially 2d animation. Most of mainstream animation in the West is either (1) huge budget 3d computer generated movies, (2) godawful, ugly Flash-animated TV shows aimed at children, or (3) "adult"-oriented animated sitcoms. Japan's animation industry is probably 50 times healthier than ours but people here who aren't Japanophiles aren't exposed to it much. Naturally we have more knowledge now on how to make good animation compared to any time in the past, but mostly drivel is made because of the fact that everything is run by exec's that are deathly afraid of taking risks (which is moronic because that conservative attitude is exactly what destroyed the mainstream 2d animation industry; not doing anything new is more financially risk than anything else).

If more people were encouraged to make proper animation online (as opposed to only Flash stuff in which everything moves with robotic tweens and limbs only bend in 2 dimensions) you might be able to get a lot of people interested in amateur animation. And being able to collaborate with everyone online would (1) remove LOTS of tedium for the people whose animation it is (2) allow less-than-amazing animators and artists get experience and quickly improve.

I truly believe that this idea has HUGE potential, but it obviously wouldn't be as easy as just setting up a system and waiting people to come. The biggest problem is that animating programs that are any good are not easily accessible, but if you were able to get one made specifically for making proper animation (not amateur-looking Flash crap) and made it available for very little or free, then this idea really could take off. And it would help Western animation as a whole.


Hmm... my post reminds me of the this video of Ralph Bakshi, a saint of animation (or something like that):
YouTube - Ralph Bakshi: Surviving In Tough Times

[Canadian]

If you happen to like my idea but don't know where to start, find some willing programmers for an animation program and then get in touch with John Kricfalusi (creator of Ren & Stimpy which revolutionized modern cartoons, and a Flash animation pioneer which is probably the only reason Flash animation exists today). Being a brilliant animator, he said in an interview and in his blog that he would love to help design a proper animation program that could completely overshadow Flash for 2d animation (or something like that.)

[555]

Im going to do what manomanman said, domain forwarding animation.com to anim.tv later because right now i'm dead... i have no contents at the moment and only a cute girl signup to my board.

Manomanman, i've read your website article and i agree that quitting my pathetic BestBuy job is the best thing to do in this world but where am i going to get the money to at least give my mother $300/month for the food she cook for me and the internet i consume so much in the house.

I continue living minimalistically but i still lose money every seconds because Im like a little parasite that consume energy (Food & Internet). I don't consume a-lot of food (1 healthy meal a day) but I do consume ALOT of internet.

@ Canadian i love the idea but i was thinking to hire a writer to write reviews of japanese, europe and american animations or use a program like MacSpeech Dictate (macspeech.com) where i can just talk for hours and copy the text to my website without dealing with typos. I donno...

I would love to hire those famous people that you mentioned but i don't have the budget at the moment

[Canadian]

Originally Posted by 555

I would love to hire those famous people that you mentioned but i don't have the budget at the moment

I think John K said he would do it for free, if only someone asked him. I read his blog often, he is practically on a crusade to fix today's cartoons and educate people (only a small exaggeration), in fact he's running an online course of sorts to teach good animation and cartooning which is 100% free with the option of donating him money. If he sincerely thought that he would be helping the state of modern animation he would probably lend a hand in the creation of a new animation program for free.

The only barrier I can see is affording programmers, but if you can afford to hire a writer maybe you can afford programmers? If not, maybe you will be able to in the not-so-distant future.

I'm not trying to convince you do it, just showing that it is in the realm of possibility.

If you actually are interested in the idea, you might be interested to know that films have been and are being made using online collaboration, so while it is a recent development it is not entirely untested. Participatory cinema - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Some movies are being funded entirely through donations; just goes to show that you don't need a big budget to make a professional-level film.

Here's a website similar to what you could make, except it's made for any type of movie rather than animation: Wreckamovie - Intro Pretty cool, eh? Here's a trailer for one of their movies: YouTube - Space nazis attack! Iron Sky teaser 720P HD