that's it!!(masturbation)

[supremum]

Originally Posted by jubbins

Men in general, it seems, are expected to need/want sex all the time and women are expected to have a lesser need/want.

Leave the social constructivism in the early 20th century, please. We have Ys and they have Xs. I'm talking about chromosomes here. Why is it so hard to believe that they play a role in psychology, since they CLEARLY play a role in biology.

Originally Posted by blossom

It's only your OPPINION that it's pointless! Since when did your oppinion become an absolute law for the rest of us?
And by the way, if you are going to pick apart what I say in my comments AND put words into my mouth, at least read them correctly. I was simply stating that if someone is chronically and compulsively masturbating then it probably isn't healthy...but that has nothing to do with the restriction that ANOTHER poster placed on the original poster, claiming that a person SHOULD only do it once a week!

You don't need flame me. I was being slightly facetious. Noticed I prefaced my conclusion as, according to Kantian ethics...

Obviously, if you don't accept his form of deontology, then you can be moral no matter how much you fap. I myself prefer a code of ethics that balances deontology and consequentialism.

Just realize the relationship I and other posters have pointed out: the more you masturbate, the less motivated you will be to pursue relationships. I think it's equally obvious that a warm and reciprocated relationship between man and woman is better than a lonely, un-reciprocated relationship between man and computer.

For me, that means ceasing the practice entirely. But I can't blame you for saying that masturbating every now and then is acceptable. It's almost too much to ask out of a male, you know, especially when one is chronic (i.e. the OP).

BTW, congrats Alex on your first day!

[jubbins]

Originally Posted by supremum

Leave the social constructivism in the early 20th century, please. We have Ys and they have Xs. I'm talking about chromosomes here. Why is it so hard to believe that they play a role in psychology, since they CLEARLY play a role in biology.

Actually men have an X and a Y chromosome and women have two X chromosomes. What I was getting at isn't that there is NO difference, just that I don't think there is this HUGE chasm between men and women regarding the need or desire for sex. It's all pretty individual of course. But, I don't think you can completely dismiss the role the environment plays in the psychology involved in sexuality either, just as you can't dismiss the role of biology.

[supremum]

Originally Posted by jubbins

Actually men have an X and a Y chromosome and women have two X chromosomes.

That's what I said. I left the second X in each pair as an implication. Anyway, I'm bored.

[Aleksander Krstic]

Originally Posted by supremum

BTW, congrats Alex on your first day!

Thanks, the second day went good as well!

[Aleksander Krstic]

Update: I'm on day 3. However, I changed the goal length of not masturbating.
It was 30 days before but I figured 7 days-masturbate day-7 days wouldn't hurt hands and wouldn't diminish dream recall/LD induction either.

[tebisto]

i think masterbation is normal too, it also feels good anyway, so why stop it?

[Aleksander Krstic]

I dunno McD "feels" good too, but it really isn't.

[Cochonette]

Originally Posted by Aleksander Krstic

I dunno McD "feels" good too, but it really isn't.

Indeed! I watched Super Size Me for the first time a couple weeks ago.
The guy said it was easy to do it because the food tasted good, even though he was clearly verging on a heart attack. Not to mention how unethical the food was.

Just because something feels good doesn't mean there's a point to it.

I think that if it really satisfies you and you do it in moderation, then no worries.
For me, I never found it satisfying. Sure, it feels good for a moment, but there's just no satisfaction at the end of it. Hugging someone, even rubbing someone on the back for a second, is infinitely more satisfying for me.

I had the longest discussion about sex and sexuality with a friend last night... she told me that cumming and orgasm are the same thing, and I was shocked. I never knew that. If that's orgasm, I'll pass!

She also suggested that I may be "homoromantic asexual" because I kept saying I didn't see the point in sex, but I'll never really know unless I actually find someone to be mutually romantic with.

[Aleksander Krstic]

I also believe it will be much more enjoyable if I do it less frequently.

EDIT: I completely misinformed you on what I wanted to say in the first post. My hands don't actually hurt but they have this weird feeling(suck a$$ English). But I believe they may start hurting if I did it for another 20 years every day(which may actually happen as I've been doing it for about three years every day).

[blossom]

I just find the whole idea that a person HAS to be lonely and SHOULD "go and get a girlfriend/boyfriend instead of masturbating to be disagreeable.

What you are saying is that it isn't o.k to be alone. That there is something wrong with a person who is alone. That's just plain untrue...having a significant other can be a loving and desirable thing to experience and share your sexuality with another, but it is by no means necessary to living a full and complete life. I think that attitude in society can be really destructive and damaging to the self-esteem of people who may choose NOT to be in a relationship for a time, or even people who find it hard to find someone they want to be with.
It's like they are being judged and put in a "lesser" category as though being in a relationship is the pinnacle of what being alive is all about! It's also an assumption that people who choose to masturbate are somehow lonely and are "losers" who need to go find someone.
Masturbation can be the safest form of sex, IMO these days, and it is also a way for a person to really get to know their own body and what they like, so that when they are in a relationship, they know EXACTLY what the like and can communicate it to their partner. From a female perspective, I think that is what is the problem these days. Alot of women don't know what they really want in bed, so they let the man just do what he is used to doing, and may think is what is pleasurable, when infact it may not be...we let ourselves down in this regard I believe. Women need to take a more active role in sex and ask for what they want, and they can only do this if they actually KNOW what they want and develop the assertiveness required to ask for it! Men can't be expected to be mind readers, and they certainly aren't! We need to teach them what we like, or else don't complain that they aren't doing it the way we want them to. Noone can know what you want until you communicate it to them,right!

Masturbation plays a key role in this I think!

[brendannz]

If you're damaging your hands by masturbation, then I'd hate to think of what you're doing to your dick..

You may be better off cutting back if it's going to cause injury.

[Aleksander Krstic]

Originally Posted by brendannz

If you're damaging your hands by masturbation, then I'd hate to think of what you're doing to your dick..

You may be better off cutting back if it's going to cause injury.

Like I've said, my hands aren't hurting me, I only feel the mildest of pains.

Anyway only two more days to go! (that's seven days total) It's going pretty well so far.

[Alfonso Crawford]

Unless you're urinating blood, you're not being excessive.

[Aleksander Krstic]

Did it! Completed 7 days in a row! Thank y'all for your advice and support!

[Andrew Gubb]

Originally Posted by munish

In those groups, the ONLY guys who got any sex with a real-live woman were the alpha-male & his gang. All the other males (80% of the males in the tribe) would typically go without.

Originally Posted by JSB

While this may be accurate for gorillas and chimpanzees (though not bonobos) I don't believe this is accurate for humans. Tribal leaders certainly had more access to women, and first choice of the most desirable women, but most human societies tend to have humans forming long-term pair bonds. Although the lowest-status members may have gone without, the majority would pair up at some point.

I think that this sort of "alpha male gets all the girls" way of looking at things reflects a low vibration. It's ego and separation. By the look of it, animals act like that too.

I quoted JSB too because it's interesting how gorillas and chimpanzees are like this but bonobos aren't. I think this illustrates my idea. Like there is light and dark in the human world, there is light and dark in the animal world. Animals can be kind and harmonious too. It's not all "the law of the jungle". I think Darwin's theory was a very low-vibration way of looking at things which appealed to the low-vibration society into which it was introduced. Spiritual scientists tend to believe in a more harmonious evolution. Bruce Lipton called this "survival of the most loving".

So yeah, the wannabe "alpha male" PUAs that go around wanting to collect and own every woman in their social group to the detriment of other males... may they enjoy it. They won't get high-vibration girls, though.

[ballhit2]

Is there anyone out there who thinks they don't masturbate enough?

[Cochonette]

Originally Posted by ballhit2

Is there anyone out there who thinks they don't masturbate enough?

rofl... good one.

[DeborahM]

if your hand is hurting, go to a spa where they offer extra service, that way you won't have to use your hands