Compared to Hitler

[Lauxa]

How did you respond to being compared to Hitler in Steve's recent blog post?

1) I already agreed that eating meat/eggs is unethical before reading the article.
2) The strong language made me more receptive to the argument or shocked me into considering an alternate point of view.
3) The strong language made me less receptive to the argument.

The purpose of this poll is to gauge the effectiveness of using this type of argument, thank you for your participation!

[Gene]

None of the above would be my response. While the Hitler reference was an attention grabber I did not feel argumentative to a larger or lessor degree than normal.

[klasik]

How can you compare meat-eaters to Hitler when...

Hitler was vegetarian!

[Angela]

Compared to Hitler, I'm pretty mellow.
Compared to Hitler, I have very little facial hair.
Compared to Hitler, I'm not a very powerful public speaker.
Compared to Hitler, very few people are willing to do my bidding.

[Lauxa]

D'oh! Forgot to add "none of the above"...

[MidasGirl]

He was talking to me?

[Rose of Cairo]

None of the above. I didn't feel he was talking to me. I think the comparison is accurate though and already agreed with him before.

[Desmond]

I didn't care at all. =P

[YourHumbleNarrator]

None of the above. It got a good chuckle and a "that's interesting."

[seeker5]

When he used it in the blog post, I thought he was exagerating and simply using the comparison for shock value. However, after reading this post: Modern-Day Nazis (Blog), I have to agree that the comparison is valid. So in this post, I voted "more receptive" not really because of what Steve wrote by itself but from the discussion that resulted from the blog post.

[Brutha]

The purpose of this poll is to gauge the effectiveness of using this type of argument, thank you for your participation!

It doesn't at all.
The goal of the post isn't to get people to agree with the argument but conscious choice.

If if the goal is to get people to agree with the message people don't like in general to admit that arguments that made them emotional brought than to change their mind.

[Lauxa]

Originally Posted by Brutha

It doesn't at all.
The goal of the post isn't to get people to agree with the argument but conscious choice.

If if the goal is to get people to agree with the message people don't like in general to admit that arguments that made them emotional brought than to change their mind.

Brutha, your command of English is usually quite masterful, but I didn't understand this post.

"It doesn't at all" - you mean this poll doesn't gauge the effectiveness of extreme and shocking argument at getting people to consider an opposing idea? Because people won't admit to changing their minds due to emotional response?

[cacheborn]

I agree with Steve that it is barbaric. The Nazi card did not have any effect on me, maybe because I come from a different culture. Plus, I can think of other leaders who have committed similar atrocities.

[Parthon]

1 and 3 for me. The article didn't particularly enhance my knowledge of the food industry or change my views, but it did allow me to re-examine some of my core beliefs.

Eating meat that comes from those kinds of factories directly supports their atrocities, that much is true. Where the line gets muddy is that people put their taste buds and convenience over and above those atrocities, but what the Nazis did, they did for political reasons.

When the karmic burden returns, I'll deal with it. At least the sacrifice the poor animals made on my behalf were because of my silly tastes, and not misguided political sentiments.

The Hitler comparison just raised my resistance to the material.

[Remiel]

I'm still not to the point that I see animal life = human life. Is this a good thing? No, I don't believe it is. Is it the same as attempting the extermination of the jews? No.

Unfortunately peta also used the hitler argument very poorly. So now you've got the Peta resistence + Hitler resistence = at least double the resistence you'd normally have.

So what could he have done differently to convey his message? Then the other question is what would need to change within the industry to make this right? What are the flaws within the giant chicken factory that should be cleaned up?

It's easy to identify something wrong, isn't it 10x harder to identify what's right?

[James81]

I suppose when I stack myself up against Hitler, I'm a pretty decent guy.

So, I enjoy the thought of comparing myself to Hitler. Makes me feel like I'm being all I can be.

[ar81]

Hitler was a rethorical clown, mediocre manager, poor strategist.
His only "merits" were to be manipulative, cold blooded, and liar like a politician.
The sad thing is that other Hitlers in other countries can repeat what he did... like creating concentration camps to torture people...

[yoopersmith]

I agree with the argument.

I eat meat and eggs. If that's means Steve thinks I'm a Nazi, I'm cool with that .

Nazi/Angel - Tomatoe - Tomato...just another label.

[Brutha]

"It doesn't at all" - you mean this poll doesn't gauge the effectiveness of extreme and shocking argument at getting people to consider an opposing idea? Because people won't admit to changing their minds due to emotional response?

There two points:
1) The goal of the post isn't to get everybody to be vegan but to get everybody to make a conscious choice about whether or not to eat eggs.
2) Most people don't have the self awareness that's necessary to judge whether an emotional argument moves their position.

[Angela]

Looks like this Hitler comparison thing is becoming something of a fad!

Time Magazine

[cylon]

I try to not let someone else's opinion of me define how I feel about myself.

[ar81]

Nazis were German right wingers...
At the time when Nazis used to thrive, there were violent right wing movements in France, and US too.

[newsbone]

I never knew eating or not eating some specific foods could make me a mad melodramatic fanatic!

[newsbone]

Originally Posted by ar81

Nazis were German right wingers...
At the time when Nazis used to thrive, there were violent right wing movements in France, and US too.

Does this then justify their deeds?

[themaster]

What the hell are we talking about??

I am hitler

I think I vote 1.. I ain't going to stop eating eggs.. I already knew that people with judgment would never, ever, like the conditions any of our animals that our raised for food..

We have been slaughtering chickens for thousands upon thousands of years.. just cause we don't do it in person anymore doesn't make it any less changed or for some less judgmental.. (for the record.. my parents used to do it person.. and I've considered it as a cheap source of chicken )

[Aleksander Krstic]

Comparing me with a Nazi didn't affect me howsoever.

[garentee]

Does it make me hitler because I kill a lot of pests on my farm? All food is on your table as a result of killing something else. All of it. That said though the male chick slaughter is unnecessary.. not exactly sure how to get around it,but I know its unnecessary.

[Andrew Brunelle]

Originally Posted by garentee

Does it make me hitler because I kill a lot of pests on my farm? All food is on your table as a result of killing something else. All of it. That said though the male chick slaughter is unnecessary.. not exactly sure how to get around it,but I know its unnecessary.

Unless you get your food anywhere but the wild, it has taken part in killing something. Even Steve's all raw diet kills hundreds of rodents and insects. Sure, he's not eating the carcasses, but I say this just to point out that nobody is perfect.