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bluedragon · 10-19-2008, 04:23 PM

"Master, moving stones around is one thing, but moving a ship is entirely different"
Only different in your mind.
OK, I'll give it a try...
No, try not. Do, or do not. There is no try." (Star Wars)

Letting the philosophy of the movie aside (or not), what do you think is the meaning of the last phrase? Does it mean anything more than "you must believe you will succeed"? The way I understand its message is that if you fail in doing something, the reason for your failure is that you "tried", and thus, you didn't "do", as if trying is the opposite of doing or is the equivalent of not succeeding.
How exactly can you make sure you are not trying but you are really doing?

Matt Willard · 10-19-2008, 04:28 PM

I think by saying that you'll give it a "try", you invite uncertainty. Either you succeed or you fail. There's no middle ground, so don't think like there is one. If you "try" and fail, it creates the sense that you didn't go at it with full cylinders. But if you "do not", at least you attempted it with all of your strength.

That's what I think it means, anyway. I'm sure there are Star Wars fans here who can correct me

bluedragon · 10-19-2008, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Willard

I'm sure there are Star Wars fans here who can correct me

I'm not interested in it strictly as a Star Wars thing, but as a principle (weather it is a tangible one and in what way?).

cinnabar · 10-19-2008, 06:09 PM

A teacher of mine once made the point by asking me to "try to get out of that chair" that I was sitting in. When I stood up, she said, "no, I asked you to try to get out of the chair, not to actually get out of it." I hesitated for a few minutes, sitting and then almost starting to get up and then sitting again. "See?" she said. "Trying is not doing. If you're going to do something, then do it..."

Ah, I feel inspired now. Thanks for the thread!

Akashic_Librarian · 10-19-2008, 06:15 PM

Great thread, I have thought about this myself.

I think it means that, in the context of the rest of the speech, you have to forget that you're limited, or that there is a chance you can fail.

You have to DO it. Doing something does not mean trying, you can't DO and fail, the very act of DOING is succeeding.

bluedragon · 10-19-2008, 06:56 PM

I guess it's easier to do than to rationally understand...

dannielo · 10-19-2008, 07:05 PM

Oh, Yoda.

This quote from him is great for challenging your hesitation and mediocrity.

For maximum effect it should be said by a friend.

Parthon · 10-19-2008, 07:34 PM

I like what cinnabar said. I'm going to expand on it.

Try is a useless word. It doesn't mean anything. That's what Yoda meant by "There is no try." To try is to attempt, but you can't really try and do anything. There's only actions you have taken and actions you haven't taken. You can aim at a goal, take various actions and fail to reach the goal. You can even attempt actions outside of your capability, but in the end, you end up with results based apon actions you can perform.

The act of trying is completely bogus. You can't try, you can only do, or not do. You act, and you either succeed of fail, but in both cases you acted.

"Going to try" is even worse. When? How? Why? Are you going to succeed or are you going to fail? It's a complete cop out.

The reason why people say they tried, is because it looks good, ie: you made an attempt, even though you still didn't get the results. But in the end, it's not the attempt you want, it's the results of successful actions. That's what stops most people, they stop at the trying, not at the success.

bbdream8 · 10-20-2008, 03:36 AM

Good thread over here. When we say try, we add in a space where we can fall back on and thus leading to efforts that are not 100% committed. If we say we will do something or will not, there is no "hesitation" area and thus we are more likely to do something. What a great difference between the words we choose to speak.

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Liveformx64 · 10-20-2008, 03:57 AM

I believe the word Try is actually a pre-admission of defeat.

songwriter · 05-23-2009, 01:36 AM

here's the movie scene...

YouTube - Yoda - TRY NOT

I had just post it in the Steve board of beliefs thread...

It's all about beliefs... When you're really committed you think "I'm gonna do this" not "I'm gonna try to do this"... You put yourself in a mindset that makes you think it's more possible, or should I say it becames more possible cause you have that mindset.

At the end Luke says "I can't believe it", after Yoda DOES it.
Then Yoda says "That's what you failed"

Also is great when Yoda says "You must unlearn what you want have learnt"

UnleashReality · 05-23-2009, 02:12 PM

really inspiring stuff.

definitely the mentality of trying becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

delusional or not, believing that i'll do well at whatever i do makes me do better than if i didn't have that belief.

coolness
alex

10-19-2008, 04:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
bluedragon Family Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,370	Try not. Do, or do not. "Master, moving stones around is one thing, but moving a ship is entirely different" Only different in your mind. OK, I'll give it a try... No, try not. Do, or do not. There is no try." (Star Wars) Letting the philosophy of the movie aside (or not), what do you think is the meaning of the last phrase? Does it mean anything more than "you must believe you will succeed"? The way I understand its message is that if you fail in doing something, the reason for your failure is that you "tried", and thus, you didn't "do", as if trying is the opposite of doing or is the equivalent of not succeeding. How exactly can you make sure you are not trying but you are really doing? Last edited by bluedragon; 10-19-2008 at 04:46 PM.

10-19-2008, 06:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
cinnabar Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 96	Try to get out of that chair... A teacher of mine once made the point by asking me to "try to get out of that chair" that I was sitting in. When I stood up, she said, "no, I asked you to try to get out of the chair, not to actually get out of it." I hesitated for a few minutes, sitting and then almost starting to get up and then sitting again. "See?" she said. "Trying is not doing. If you're going to do something, then do it..." Ah, I feel inspired now. Thanks for the thread!

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10-19-2008, 04:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Matt Willard Family Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,334	I think by saying that you'll give it a "try", you invite uncertainty. Either you succeed or you fail. There's no middle ground, so don't think like there is one. If you "try" and fail, it creates the sense that you didn't go at it with full cylinders. But if you "do not", at least you attempted it with all of your strength. That's what I think it means, anyway. I'm sure there are Star Wars fans here who can correct me

10-19-2008, 06:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Akashic_Librarian Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Darkness / The Never Posts: 1,673	Great thread, I have thought about this myself. I think it means that, in the context of the rest of the speech, you have to forget that you're limited, or that there is a chance you can fail. You have to DO it. Doing something does not mean trying, you can't DO and fail, the very act of DOING is succeeding.

10-19-2008, 06:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
bluedragon Family Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,370	I guess it's easier to do than to rationally understand...

10-19-2008, 07:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
dannielo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 175	Oh, Yoda. This quote from him is great for challenging your hesitation and mediocrity. For maximum effect it should be said by a friend.

10-19-2008, 07:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Parthon Family Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 1,532	I like what cinnabar said. I'm going to expand on it. Try is a useless word. It doesn't mean anything. That's what Yoda meant by "There is no try." To try is to attempt, but you can't really try and do anything. There's only actions you have taken and actions you haven't taken. You can aim at a goal, take various actions and fail to reach the goal. You can even attempt actions outside of your capability, but in the end, you end up with results based apon actions you can perform. The act of trying is completely bogus. You can't try, you can only do, or not do. You act, and you either succeed of fail, but in both cases you acted. "Going to try" is even worse. When? How? Why? Are you going to succeed or are you going to fail? It's a complete cop out. The reason why people say they tried, is because it looks good, ie: you made an attempt, even though you still didn't get the results. But in the end, it's not the attempt you want, it's the results of successful actions. That's what stops most people, they stop at the trying, not at the success.

10-20-2008, 03:36 AM	#9 (permalink)
bbdream8 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 294	Good thread over here. When we say try, we add in a space where we can fall back on and thus leading to efforts that are not 100% committed. If we say we will do something or will not, there is no "hesitation" area and thus we are more likely to do something. What a great difference between the words we choose to speak. Cheers Vincent Personal Development Blogger

10-20-2008, 03:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
Liveformx64 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: PA Posts: 424	I believe the word Try is actually a pre-admission of defeat.

05-23-2009, 01:36 AM	#11 (permalink)
songwriter Family Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,123	here's the movie scene... YouTube - Yoda - TRY NOT I had just post it in the Steve board of beliefs thread... It's all about beliefs... When you're really committed you think "I'm gonna do this" not "I'm gonna try to do this"... You put yourself in a mindset that makes you think it's more possible, or should I say it becames more possible cause you have that mindset. At the end Luke says "I can't believe it", after Yoda DOES it. Then Yoda says "That's what you failed" Also is great when Yoda says "You must unlearn what you want have learnt"

05-23-2009, 02:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
UnleashReality Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 67	really inspiring stuff. definitely the mentality of trying becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. delusional or not, believing that i'll do well at whatever i do makes me do better than if i didn't have that belief. coolness alex

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